Unfortunately, as the

Unfortunately, as the replies above indicate,
people are living in a dream world of artificial, imaginary values, induced by "economists" and "conservatives" and I'm giving the pipeline an 80% chance to proceed.

Obama will be pressured and forced by special interests waving phony flags to give it an OK if he wants to be reelected against such greats as Texas governor Perry, who wouldn't have a moment's hesitation.

Besides, the cleanups after leaks and disasters will be "creating jobs" and raising the GDP, so what politician could resist the temptation ?

At I'm not afraid to say such outrageous things, while signing my name, neither is Brigette, instead of hiding behind plume names like chickeshit in the grass.

Ed Deak.

Action More Powerful than Words

As Ms. DePape says:

"We often harp on the U.S. for its environmental and social record. But look at their incredible resistance to our tar sands problem. Now it's our turn -- let's build a truly grassroots movement and host the largest collective non-violent direct action Canada has ever seen. Be home soon -- hope to see you in the streets!"

Well said! To be continued...

An excellent series by one of Canada's most courageous young people!

At least Brigette has the guts...

At least she has the guts to get out on the front line and get herself arrested, and perhaps be prohibited from ever setting foot in the US again, while the rest of us (including me) sit back in our easy chairs and mope about how the Cons are taking over the whole world. The middle east countries have demonstrated that we will physically have to take the fight to the front line if we ever expect to make a change.

Tarsands

The Alberta tarsands have changed what it means to be Canadian, but I don't remember any debate or public consultation.

Norman....Canada now has

Norman....Canada now has "conservative values" so the governments don't need any public consultation.

There's no such thing as climate change, no environmental damage, only wealth creation.

Ed Deak.

So where should we get our oil from....

Where?

Middle East?

Venezuela?

I'm just putting the question forward.

R/M old man....

You don't suppose the lack of will among American conscripts had anything to do with this, do you?
It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no senator's son.
It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no fortunate one.

- CCR

BCOrder

How about we concentrate on solar? Did you know that, if we could capture just 1% (one measly percent) of the sunlight that falls on Earth, it would be enough to meet our present power needs. So why don't we aim for that?

I don't remember any public consultation about bombing Libya

Norman, and I think that is what REALLY changed the meaning of being Canadian. We used to just "hold the bully's coat". Our more active role destroying countries which refuse Private Central Banking.

Don't you think it peculiar that this site has been covering a demo in Washington, but has made no mention of:

"9/11 EVENTS; Montreal Conference Sept 8, Toronto Hearings Sept 8-11, Toronto Conference on NATO Led War, Sept 9"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26402

It is more than passing strange!

Rick the Younger

Let's Go Solaaaaarrr. OK Rick, how much are you in for?

"FBI Raids Bankrupt Solar Company Solyndra"
September 8, 2011

The maker of solar photovoltaic systems shuttered its operations and laid off 1,100 employees on Aug. 31, citing “global economic and solar-industry market conditions.

Solyndra’s was the third bankruptcy among U.S. solar companies in a matter of weeks. But it had been a poster child for the nascent solar industry. In May 2009 the Energy Department awarded the startup a $535 million loan guarantee, and Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, and Energy Secretary Steven Chu all visited the company to tout renewable energy’s potential—”

Conscription Rick

Nixon campaigned in 1968 to end conscription, he finally did end it in 1973. The same year that the US troops left Vietnam.

The war continued.

Oh Canada!

The environmental “Luddites” are out in full force once again. The continuing demands for hydrocarbons affect far more than gasoline and diesel fuel. Much of the carpeting we walk on, the clothes we wear and the components of our homes and vehicles are made from oil based products. Take them away and we would be back in the 19th century.
My biggest beef with the proposed keystone project is that crude will be shipped. Why not refine it here and ship the finished product at a value added rate? The best guess is that financiers want refining done in Texas, rather than Canada. There is the almost buried fact that more oilsands have been identified in central Alberta and Northern Saskatchewan. These will eventually be developed to meet North American demands.
IMHO there is not enough will among the general populations of Canada or the US to read by dim, DC lighting, ride bicycles and repudiate air conditioning. Alternate, renewable and reliable forms of electricity generation must be proven cost effective before any serious public move takes place. My inquiries into solar nearly induced a stroke. The payback time for installation was fifteen years and the limited warranties were at most five years. That did not include maintenance, battery replacement or other potentially costly eventualities.
Then there is fracing. A potential problem that is taking place under our noses in many US and Canadian locations. Recovery of methane will rival natural gas in the near future. It is dangerous and uses huge amounts of water.
Bottom line: pipelines will be built, ruptures and spills will occur and all we can do is try to ensure enough checks to contain them to manageable recovery zones. My preference wold be to have the oil, in any form move through Alberta and the US as opposed to British Columbia. If that becomes a serious issue, I’ll be front and centre to oppose it.

steelchief

[quuote]Much of the carpeting we walk on, the clothes we wear and the components of our homes and vehicles are made from oil based products

All of which, without exception, can be produced with hemp, and similar materials.

I really like Brigitte's

I really like Brigitte's point "... look at their incredible resistance to our tar sands problem."

If we harvested every possible ounce of methane (natural gas) from our sewage, and big ag, we would be getting somewhere. As usual, the focus has been on fear and disdain and how to get rid of the "danger". Please turn 180 degrees.

China sets a sterling example on the household level. At least used to. Urban China is the worst of the west.

North Americans come up with fantastic reasons for needing private vehicles, for example, when the bony ones have to do with status. Even convenience is often a joke.

Personally I would not drive or take a plane to a demonstration. I think we need to take photos of citizens at home with big signs and email them to politicians in huge numbers. Hey, count the people.

There were also big marches, on foot, in our fairly recent past. What an experience.

oops I meant long marches

yah, hundreds of miles.

It's Tar Sands, not Oil Sands

The solar research et al are never backed by government nor corporate money. If it were, things would be different. Of course, we don't want the pipeline going through BC. Let it go through the most redneck, ignorant and brainwashed province in Canada. Process it right there in 'Alaberta'. Let them smell and taste that crap. Let 'em watch their kids die of asthma and cancers. Maybe then they'll turn off the corporate brainwashing machines and smarten up and maybe Harper could be gone quicker.

lynn

The kind of thinking that insists we can solve all our problems with "more of the same"?
To the socialists, we are not socialist enough. To the capitalists, we are not capitalist enough. To the totalitarians, we are not submissive enough. To the anarchists, we are too structured. Etc....

The problem is not that we

The problem is not that we need oil. Of course, we do. We also need all kinds of junk and poisons, arsenic etc. but how much ?

The main purpose of the oil economy is to overcapitalize, separate the producers from the users, so that a special interest sector can reap huge profits.

People survived for a million years with locally made products, necessitating only the minimum of transport, import, export and commuting.

With modern tools and technologies local production, cutting energy demands to a minimum, could be a breeze, but the corporate mafia couldn't control the economy, it would cut into their obscene profits, so they're buying governments to enslave their subjects and force them to waste.

I've spent a lifetime as owner manager in manufacturing and farming, so I don't need some cheesy, miseducated economists or political pimp for the multinational corporate mafia to tell me what can be done.

And will be done, when the world wakes up to the fraud going on in the name of "economics"

Ed Deak.

Harper and Co. Ltd.

Perhaps a more fitting job for Stephen Harper would be President of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce. He is hardly a statesman or person let alone a leader of the Canadian public. He governs with less than 40% of the vote much the same Hitler did in 1933.