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Homeless Housing For Less
Proposals to build free or low-cost homeless housing said to be 'stalled' by the province. Last of three parts.
[Editor's note: Read previous stories in this series here.You can also click here to download a copy of the entire series in PDF.]
Last summer, Vancouver City Council invited several B.C.-based companies to submit ideas about how modular housing might be employed to house the homeless.
Three container-based proposals were among the five submitted. One firm offered to build a 43-suite supportive housing complex at no cost to taxpayers. Another offered to lease dormitory-style rooms for only $350 a month. Yet another offered to build a similar project from scratch using local labour at its Coquitlam factory.
But the Vancouver council's enthusiasm for the project was dampened by a distinct lack of interest from the province. Vancouver councilor Kerry Jang said, "This initiative just sort of stalled at the province."
This installment of The Tyee's overview of container-based housing takes a look at the three proposals.
MC Quarters offered free housing
"Basically, we are asking the city to identify a site where we could do a pilot project. And we will provide the funding to develop that pilot project."
That's the extraordinary offer MC Quarters president Frank Lo told The Tyee that he made to the city.
MC Quarters is a new company that is building pre-fabricated worker housing in China for export worldwide. It was founded by Lo, a longtime Vancouver resident and former shipping container broker. Lo figures he sold more than a quarter of a million shipping containers before launching MC Quarters.
Lo's concept involves adapting technology developed for refrigerated containers -- which are basically one steel box inside another, with foam insulation sandwiched between the walls -- for use as a structure in which super-insulated housing can be built.
MC Quarters sells construction camps to mining and oil companies. His company claims its container-based work camps are both more durable and more easily transported than the wood-frame modular structures sold by competitors such as Atco, Britco or Williams Scotsman. The B.C. company's first order is for a mining camp in the Yukon.
Lo's fledgling company also prepared by far the most detailed of all the container-based homeless housing plans submitted to the city.
MC Quarters hired architect Gordon MacKenzie to plan 43 units of supportive housing in a three-storey structure to be erected on a city-owned parking lot at the southwest corner of Princess Avenue and Powell Street. (See slide show at top of this page.)
In addition to 43 very small but fully self-contained suites, the proposed 13,755-square-foot building would include offices as well as a kitchen, common area and laundry room.
MC Quarters' proposal pegged the construction cost at $3.1 million. That's $72,000 per suite. Lo said he can deliver those units six months from the date he receives an order.
BC Housing recently started construction on six of 14 promised new homeless housing buildings in Vancouver. The suites planned for those mid-rise buildings are almost twice as large as the room-sized units in the MC Quarters proposal. But the BC Housing suites are expected to cost taxpayers more than $350,000 per unit.
About $1.6 million of the projected construction costs for the MC Quarters building is for on-site construction by local trades, with the other half allotted for the purchase of 30 prefabricated container modules. Lo -- who has already hired and architect and built a prototype with his own money -- said he has offered to put up the cost of the containers, and help raise the cost of the local trade work.
"This is basically a semi-commercial project as far as we're concerned," Lo said. "We want to do something for the community."
C-Bourne offered to lease rooms for $350 a month
Vancouver-based C-Bourne Structures is among MC Quarters' competitors.
Though C-Bourne's container housing proposal was neither as elaborate nor ultimately as generous as MC Quarters', it did include one particularly intriguing element: C-Bourne offered to lease the city however many units it needs for $350 per month per unit.
"We lease these units all over the world," said C-Bourne partner Grant Powell, who joked that mining juniors "never actually buy anything."
C-Bourne is the Canadian distributor for Isopod modular housing. Isopod is a Canadian-owned company that has built thousands of units of container housing in places as far flung as Afghanistan, Dubai, Russia and Saudi Arabia. Isopod owns one-third interest in a proprietary factory near Shanghai.
C-Bourne submitted a conceptual proposal for dormitory-style housing that could be quickly erected on any city-owned lot, and then just as quickly disassembled when the real estate was needed for some other purpose.
"I basically said to the city, 'Tell us what type of units you want, how many you need, and where you want to put them. We'll engage engineers and architects and bring you a proposal,'" Powell told The Tyee.
Powell offered to lease the city as many dormitory-style rooms -- with a shared bathroom down the hall -- as the city wanted for $350 a month per room. That's $25 less than the $375-a-month housing allowance the province provides welfare recipients.
After seven years, the city would be eligible to buy the rooms for $10 each.
"These units are virtually indestructible. There's no drywall to mildew or wood to rot," Powell said. "If the city didn't want to keep them, we would happily take them back."
C-Bourne is also working with developers in Saskatchewan who hope to erect pre-fabricated apartment buildings in communities near the tar sands.
"It's nuts out there," Powell said. "Some of those towns are facing an even worse housing shortage than Vancouver."
Plans for the prairie apartment buildings call for sprawling three-story walkups surrounded by parking lots. Most of the apartments would be 480-square-foot bachelor suites with full kitchens, bathrooms, Murphy beds and in-suite laundry facilities. Each 20- by 24-foot unit would feature a large glass wall overlooking a 20-foot-long balcony. (See a plan in the slide show at top of this page.)
Powell said C-Bourne can deliver and construct these instant apartment buildings in six months or less at a cost of about $100 per square foot (excluding land). He said the developer aims to rent these apartments for between $550 and $700 a month.
"We can do two-bedrooms, three-bedrooms, anything," Powell said. "This is just the tip of the iceberg."
Mogil offered to build in Coquitlam
While less detailed than either of its competitors, the third proposal offered the prospect of bolstering the B.C. economy by building its entire complex in Coquitlam.
Mogil Modular Structures was founded by Phil Wang and is run by his son Nam Wang. The family is from Korea, where shipping containers are more frequently used as offices and small shops.
"Japan manufactured shipping containers to start off. But the cost was just too high, so it shifted to Korea," the younger Wang noted. "Then the same cycle happened again, and the production shifted to China."
Mogil builds 10-foot-wide containers that better lend themselves for use as construction components. Because Mogil is focused on the North American market, its super-sized containers do not have to fit on container ships.
"That extra two feet makes a lot of difference," Wang said. "Shipping containers are nice. But the width is eight foot. It's just too narrow. By the time you do the walls, you put in a desk, and all you have is a little space as a corridor."
Mogil invested in all the tooling to make shipping containers from scratch, including massive metal-bending machines, precision plasma-cutting tables and a giant painting booth.
"We are pretty much self-contained," Wang said. "We bring in raw materials. We stamp, we bend, we produce our own components. We don't source out any work."
Mogil's camp business has slowed down considerably during the past couple years. "We had a good deal with the oilfields," Wang said, "but when that slowed down there just weren't any more orders."
So the family leapt at Vancouver's invitation to propose homeless housing. Mogil built a table-sized mockup intended to show off both its design and its local fabrication abilities.
"We built this miniature model just to show that we were really into it 100 per cent," Wang said. "We think these structures are ideal for housing. We would very much like to find a way to build some housing."
New vs. used containers
All three firms told The Tyee that the benefits of purpose-build containers outweigh the advantages of reusing end-of-life shipping containers.
"I am biased against used containers," said Lo. "I was in the shipping business. These containers go all over the world. You don't know what kind of freight they carry. And then you expect people to live in them?"
Lo added that new containers come from the factory with certificates that civil engineers can use to assess the load-bearing ability of the steel frame.
"You can't even tell them what kind of steel an old container was made of," Lo said. "If you have volume, your price difference on a per-unit basis is not large."
Nam Wang agreed. He said that even without the volume discounts available to larger firms, the cost of cutting, re-flooring and repainting a used container can wind up costing as much a new container.
"It's like you converting your hatchback into a pickup," Wang said. "A lot more effort is going to go into it to convert it, and it's not really made for that."
Both the MC Quarters and C-Bourne units come fitted out with fixtures that would seem familiar to any North American.
"Remember that nearly everything we install in our homes is already made in China," Powell observed. He said C-Bourne installs the same American Standard sinks and Bosch appliances available at the local Home Depot or Future Shop.
Powell added that the next generation of urban apartment buildings could just as easily include larger windows, LED lighting, bamboo floors, solar hot water heating or other green features.
'We are still doing this'
Another thing all three firms agreed upon was a sense of confusion about whether or not either the city or province will ever follow up on their proposals.
"Several months went by. We heard nothing. And then one day I got a call saying, 'You've got to come pick up your stuff.'" Powell said.
In response to his questions, Powell said the city told him only that, "BC Housing was not going to give them any money for this."
Wang recounted a similar experience.
"The whole idea with this was that we were going to give them a sweet deal so that we could help promote our product, right?" Powell said. "But if they don't see it, they don't see it."
City Councilor Kerry Jang, whose Vision Vancouver party has promised to end street homelessness by 2015, acknowledged that the process was dropped.
"We welcomed these proposals in order to raise awareness about this type of housing," Jang told The Tyee. "And then we referred them to BC Housing for consideration, because at the end of the day it's BC Housing that has to decide whether or not these units would fit their needs," Jang added.
"Nothing came of it after that. It just sort of stalled in provincial hands," he said.
On his own initiative, Lo recently met with Housing Minister Rich Coleman.
"It's a chicken and egg situation," Lo said. The city won't grant a site without some signal that the province will help fund the support services. And the province won't commit to a project that doesn’t have a site.
Lo said he is neither discouraged nor dissuaded.
"We are still doing this. I think the key is to have patience. Because the whole idea is for the community to benefit." Lo said. "I believe that it will work."
Representatives from all three firms have been invited to participate in this week's Quick Homes Superchallenge, organized by Architecture For Humanity Vancouver in association with the Design Foundation of British Columbia and The Tyee Solutions Society. ![]()











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Takuan
2 years ago
I can buy garden shed kits
for a few hundred bucks at any lumberyard. A common shower and bath and a common kitchen and people wouldn't have to live in the streets. They would even have their own space. There's plenty of government land, even in the city.
The fact is the government wants the poor to die. Quickly.
alive
2 years ago
LEGO anyone?
Some grown people are fascinated by LEGO blocks, and no doubt see the containers in the same light.
However, while LEGO block join together easily, that cannot be said for containers.
A recent article here quoted the cost per square foot as higher than similar wood construction, and pointed out that special techniques are needed as well skilled people normally not employed in the housing industry.
There are modular housing designs produced already, designs that are proven and cost effective.
The idea of using old containers is red herring, that is meant to further stall any progress.
freebear
2 years ago
No money in it for political cronies!
Same as the teen moms daycares in Victoria have little to no family support therefore no votes at stake!
But of course MLA Polak now (said otherwise a week ago on CBC) says the daycares will be funded and remain open!
It's obvious who this government serves!
Urbanismo
2 years ago
On my, oh my! Is this how
On my, oh my!
Is this how we are going to warehouse our less fortunate? While the smooth little men in expensive suits live it up on Angus Drive.
If this is who we are: beware, you'll be next!
I have not had anything to do with containers, other than to partake of the goodies delivered: but I know the building business.
The exterior box is a minor part of a home. After debugging, after the envelope has been secured, after the windows and doors have been punched thru, by far the most expensive elements are the interior finishes: to say nothing of fees and land costs!
This is a pipe dream. Don't let the real culprits off the hook! Looking at the sketches if we are prepared to damage our urban senses with such atrocities then we have no business calling ourselves civilised!
The real problem is not building techniques, the problems are two fold inherited from a very cruel eighteenth century Europe: fractional reserve monetary policy and "closure" land titles.
We cannot solve our social problems on a whim. Stop this nonsense immediately!
When our misplaced enthusiasm shakes out the homeless will still be homeless, ourselves humiliated, the city a disgrace and out . . . mucho, si mucho dinero. ¡Verdad!
poetician
2 years ago
no surprise here
We shouldn't wonder that this idea has stalled at the provincial level. This is a government that has consistently put ideas that are profitable for the few ahead of those that are good for the many (BC Rail, fish farms, run of river power, HST... just to name a few)and they will continue to do so until they are voted or thrown out.
Wait a minute? Thrown out you say?
Absolutely, just go and sign your local anti-HST recall petition and lets force a new election. Don't do it for Bill (I mean the Zalm not Teileman), do it for the good of the Province!!
SharingIsGood
2 years ago
not worth the effort
Though I find the serch for affordable housing laudible, I believe these sorts of structures generally not worth the effort. I don't see them as a long-term solution. I believe these old containers might most appropriately be used for permenant storage/workshop facilities. they can be used to form one or more secure garage walls. Drop 2 of them down parallel to one another with space in the middle, through trusses on top; and, voila, you have the beginnings of a good garage/shop/car port.
As pointed out by Alive, using the container for residential construction, creates many problems that ordinary people (sub-trades, contractors) without the expertise would have to overcome.
Cutting holes through painted steel that has contained "who-knows-what" is not without its dangers. Until/unless they are rounded or covered, working around the sharp-edged cutouts is not without its dangers.
If a company were to specialize in this sort of business, it could be somewhat viable, especially if it were to setup in an industrial-type yard where it roughed-in the containers in a factory-type setting before shipping them off to be placed. On site design and fabrication seems inefficient and environmentally unfriendly.
edh
2 years ago
30 - 35 yrs ago our Calgary
30 - 35 yrs ago our Calgary Mayor pushed for and got some low cost affordable housing for poor folks who could not afford to buy in the booming housing thingy in Calgary.
These units are still in place, still housing folks but I doubt that there have been many sales since they opened. The floors are like roller coasters and they are what was built,,CHEAP ROW HOUSING. Some folks living there have painted their houses similar to those depicted in the drawing above, and it looks cheap.
Providing the type of housing for homeless folk who would have little incentive for maintenance will result in some short term glory for those who planned it and long term pain for the community and city the units are in.
But you folks in BC should do it. It will attract lot's of Alberta's homeless to BC.
frank2
2 years ago
is it best to keep the
is it best to keep the homeless housed on the streets and in shelters -- rather than allowing some to try affordable full-time accommodations? Why not try some new options? We might learn something. Maybe even find low cost ways of dealing with the problem.
Takuan
2 years ago
damn, can't find the precise clip
anyways, a taste of container living in this film (worth the rental)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_rramtcvA&feature=related
Takuan
2 years ago
that's
"The Man Without A Past" for all who don't speak Finnish.
carfreecity
2 years ago
highrise
well. if those shipping containers are such models of green housing, then stack'em up for the homeless.
add an elevator.
mary jane
2 years ago
DIRTY PEOPLE DON'T GET JOBS
Clean - fed - well washed people with ckean clothes get jobs -
Any idiot who thinks a homeless person has any chance of getting off the street is ill informed
there are many articles on the internest if you need to get an understanding of what is NOT working
Takuan
2 years ago
yeah
http://www.megaphonemagazine.com/
greengreen
2 years ago
Great idea!
I think this is fantastic! I would live in any of the structures shown. Really, we have people living on the streets because the city and province can't coordinate, get their shit together, and solve the problem! How absolutely pathetic! When the roof on BC Place got a slight tear last year, It took no time at all to come up with a solution. Cost was no problem. When Falcon couldn't get a taxi, f---, there was a bill of rights for passengers-problem solved immediately.
The homeless problem has been going on for at least 15 years and will be with us for the forseeable future. These accounts have shown a very workable, affordable solution. Stop the bulllshit-get on with it.
Fish-counter
2 years ago
They did this in the US and called these places "The Projects"
Looking for cheap, sleazy ideas as quick fixes to long term problems - why do we still bother? Temporary becomes permanent, steel rusts and we would have yet another eyesore to contend with in ten years.
I don't have the solution to the homeless problem in Vancouver, but this isn't it. It might work in the bush, where an ATCO trailer wouldn't work for some reason. Why not use the ATCO trailers God gave us instead of shipping containers? Shipping containers are meant to house illegal immigrants, aren't they?
Would you like to live in one of these? There you are.
alive
2 years ago
The alternatives
These articles are about homeless people and renting; however, for those who may want to actually want to buy a place to live the choices are poor as well.
For one thing the HST will soon add 7% to the cost, and the selection is limited to old neglected homes if you cannot afford the going prices.
Location is another factor, and prices ar lower in places where jobs are scarce or non-existent.
One example is a mobile in Port Alberni listed at $189.000, that may sound reasonable untill you press the Realtor and learn that the lease is $450 a month and may increase!
That may again be acceptable untill you learn that the lease is month to month!
In effect, you may wind up owning a mobile that has to be towed to another location (good luck there) and every scrap of evidence you lived there will be bulldozed at your cost.
So, maybe we need to think about the scarcity of serviced land, rather than the cost of building?
greengreen
2 years ago
No, these are not like the
No, these are not like the Projects in U.S. That was the housing of hundreds of people in one vertical building. Very impersonal, very ugly-just warehousing people. I think the container idea is super and a hell of a lot better than building units at $375,000 each. I suspect the developers don't like this idea because they wouldn't make any money on this...I am more concerned about helping the homeless then the developer group.
jrbisi
2 years ago
Homeless need liberal contribution fund;zoning change and Ikea
Here is use of 20ft container that takes no ground
change could be but under skytrain along railway
right of ways and have room for storing person's grocery cart , plastic bags , bottles
etc with big lock on door when away.......
Could insulate with NASA aerogel used on shuttle
tanks , use 110 volt induction cooking burner, hold tanks,
Use min service hookup if any.
KISS method
Here is one interior
http://www.hybridseattle.com/c160surfshack.html
I am sure IKEA could think up more MAYBE a CONTEST?
ALSO, May work in cluster for HAITI like with kitchen,laundry in center modules.
Sure would not need to worry about leaky roofs
or high winds as containers are sea worthy?
jim1966
2 years ago
Empowering People
I don't think that the BC Liberals are listening. How come our society values $350.00 per month instead of the value of everyone's lives?. I live in a BC Housing building. I am lucky because I had a social worker who gave a crap and a doctor that did not want me to die on the streets. There are always 2 sides to an issue and this is one of them. We all want people to be safe, fed and have a quality of life that Canadians have come to enjoy. Problem is though is our "view" of the poor, the addicted and the mentally ill. How can we build or refurbish anything when the taxpayer knows that within a few short years it all be trashed or wrecked anyways. I had to prove that I was worth the effort and take some responsibility for my own life. Then I got help. More importantly people have got to want to change and that is not always that easy to do. The second part of this is our current government. I have been saying this for a very long time and that's British Columbia's Social Services are not able to handle the real human deficit.If it could we would have a system in place that really works 99% of the time. Because of my disability I was lucky enough to get PWD and CPPD . I am one of those people who our society considers "The Deserving Poor", as opposed to the "Undeserving Poor", this is how our safety net really works, hence the various catagories from social services, IE: Expected To Work, $610.00, PPMB (Or Level 1) $667.00 and PWD $906.00 per month. These are the real numbers for a month. I would like to see this entire ministry do a complete overhaul of it's own policies etc. I can also tell you this, I will not be voting for the BC Liberals in the next election. In my case a graduated program worked really well. Could we not try this out in the future. We would have a much much smaller homeless population and a lot of people could take there own lives back?