I'm confused

"New research questions climate benefits of natural gas"

Can someone explain how burning natural gas is supposed to be good for the climate?

I'm glad you asked that question Hugh!

Think of it as being strangled to death by only one hand instead of two. How much longer that gives us all!

My mind reels

Fracking gas requires a lot of water. Where to get it?

Of course, take it out of BC Hydro's Williston Reservoir!

So instead of generating clean, renewable hydro power, the water can be poisoned with toxic chemicals and pumped into the ground to release natural gas! Brilliant!

See:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/07/29/bc-talisman-fracking.html

There is no "Greenhouse"

so the obsession with the amount of the trace gases methane and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is foolish at best. Nothing is happening in spite of more of both trace gases in the atmosphere:

"Munich Re’s Natural Catastrophe Statistics 2012 report on weather and natural disasters, released yesterday. 2012 was a year of few deaths and relatively little damage from natural disasters worldwide.

Recall that Munich Re is in the reinsurance business, and they stand to profit handsomely from the belief that climate related catastrophes are on the increase. They’ve been aggressive promoters of the manmade climate change story.

So it comes to us as a big surprise to hear them report that 2012 “saw far less damage than a year earlier“.

http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/03/reinsurer-munich-re-natural-catastrophe-statistics-report-2012-far-less-global-damage-from-weather-in-2012/

"Northern Hemisphere December snow extent was the greatest on record, and has increased by more than 20,000 Manhattans since the 1960s."
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/northern-hemisphere-snow-extent-was-greatest-on-record-in-december/

Reality has a way of destroying memes and no amount of Tides funding can reverse the process.

again with the Koch sucker's

canned, Heartland Institute professional denialism claptrap - won't SOMEONE please take out the trash?

Clark has zero credibility

premier Clark is just so transparent and phony and seems to think she can just "charm "his way out her flip-flopping...but it ain't working.election.How many times can premier Clark say the word "may" without losing all credibility?The BC liberal government will not listen to the voters and taxpayers no matter what they say or believe.The Oil and gas corporations have so much power over liberal government and the all politician? Taxpayers should find it Ironic in that the province is broke, and still issuing massive royalty credits to liberal supporting non resident gas producers. Maybe if they had all the revenue from natural gas instead of giving it away they could assist with some other programs. Maybe ensuring that the most income tax revenue is generated by natural gas service jobs, rather than evaporating into china and the USA would also help on the revenue side.Maybe not giving a way dividend paying assets like BC Rail would help with the revenue side and we would be 1.6 billion in debt and rising.The BC liberal will be using using the Temporary Foreign Worker program to to by-pass Canadian workers and substitute with cheap foreign labor if they get re elected.After so many years of selling off BC to foreign powers and filling BC with foreign workers (legit and illegal) there will be a payback for the LIBERALS.The corporate CEO must be rubbing there hand in pure glee knowing they can now use the liberal supported and endorsed foreign worker program.Notice how premier christy Campbell Clark has been very quiet and not said one single word about this new labor scam to by pass BC workers.the fact that the actual land,mineral ,gas and oil rights , logging rights are being sold to Chinese company's. They can do whatever they want and hire whoever they want. I guarantee you they are not in business to benefit BC residents Canada is up for sale to whoever wants it.Clark sure has been quiet on this one.Her plan is to bluff her way through every problem with platitudes and the big grin! That's what has worked for her all her life and if the people of B.C. let her get away with it, she'll keep using it. I love how Christy just refuses to address issues brought up - she simply ignores them. The Bc liberals arrogance is still evident on their major policies and priorities.I would be worried the BC liberals might try more often to use the "Temporary Foreign Worker program" to to by-pass Canadian workers and BC taxpayers and substitute with cheap foreign labor All they have to do is say the employees require "specialized knowledge".I hope the unions refuse to touch the scab coal ,oil and gas.

BC Clean Energy

Converting the energy that powers storms like hurricane Sandy into the energy of our children's future.

http://www.indiegogo.com/thedilemma/

How About Those Newfies?

Globe and Mail, Jan. 4, 2012.

"Exxon Mobil Corp., one of the world’s largest energy companies, has pledged to spend $14-billion (U.S.) to develop the Hebron oilfield off Canada’s east coast.

The spending will further extend Newfoundland and Labrador’s recent good fortune, with the province collecting millions of dollars in royalties and taxes."

&

How About Those Green Germans?

BBC Berlin, Stephen Evans.
"Is Germany's Green Revolution about to turn black with coal dust?

As the country moves away from nuclear, the builders of coal-fired power stations are moving into action.

When Chancellor Merkel announced the closure of all the country's 17 nuclear reactors by 2022, there were loud cheers from environmentalists.

But less well heard were the cheers from the coal industry.

The organisation which represents it in Europe said the change of policy meant "the prospects for coal in general, and especially for coal-fired power plants under construction or in the planning stage, have become somewhat brighter".

Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk, just a river's width away from Germany, was also jubilant.

"From Poland's point of view, this is a good thing not a bad one," he said.

"It means coal-based power will be back on the agenda."

As the writer above tells us that BC Gas could be worse than coal perhaps we should go back to coal like Germany?

Equalization.

Maybe we in BC will be able to receive equalization from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland, eh.

Newfoundland has had to export their young to find work for too long. Drill baby, drill! Good that the ocean off the coast of Newfoundland is always nice and calm.

the perils and waste of very renewable methane

The methane we must get to burning for heat and power is instead wafting merrily out of our sewage lagoons. In this case, burning is better, about 20 times better than letting it waft. AND we can use it.

NickS

According to your link the snow covers Canada in it's entirety, look out your door lately? "Snow fall Extent"...now there is some science nomenclature. Only 9500 people died out of 7 billion to weather,earthquake related events in 2012. Tell us some more blatant lies.

Another Context - New Dynamics For BC Election 2013

The BC provincial Green Party, which only gets media coverage during election campaigns, looks like its the current party to watch during the 2013 campaign.

The Green Party did not have any "wedge issues" with the BC NDP during the 2005 and 2009 provincial election campaigns but this time it apparently does.

Of course the Lib carbon tax did have an impact upon BC NDP fortunes prior to the 2009 election but then NDP leader Carole James pleaded for "Green Party supporters" to vote NDP in the dying days of the 2009 campaign. And the BC NDP was successful in that regard - likely increasing its voter support another 5% - from 37% to 42%.

But this time around, the BC NDP either supports or fails to take a position on very contentious environmental issues that were not really a factor in 2009:

1. Fraccing, which enviros say takes precious water resources and potentially contaminates ground-water. The NDP basically supports same. Not BC Green.

2. Massive expansion of NE BC's natural gas fields, which may cause massive GHG. The NDP basically supports same. Not BC Green.

3. Large lng facilities on the BC west coast resulting in further GHG emissions with natural gas-fired power plants. The NDP basically supports same. Not BC Green.

4. The Kinder Morgan TransMountain pipeline twinning with bitumen shipped along the Fraser River salmon-bearing shed. NDP won't oppose same while Kinder Morgan has a website up showing its proposal and is holding community meetings. Not BC Green.

Many in the BC enviro community take these issues both seriously and emotionally as do many voters at large. When these voters at large come to realize that the BC NDP is not on-side with their emotional values, regarding the foregoing major issues, the BC Greens will likely be the beneficiary.

BC Green star candidate Andrew Weaver, likely to draw major media attention during the May campaign, is already outspoken against fraccing, natural gas, lng, and Kinder Morgan's pipeline expansion.

And Adrian Dix has already "boxed" himself in politically. He can't pull a Carole James or a Jack Layton pleading for Green supporters (in Layton's case federal Liberal as well) to vote NDP in the last week of the election campaign. If he does, then he will lose credibility in the media based upon his statement that the Liberals were "disrespectful" for asking BC Con voters to support the Libs many months ago.

I will again re-iterate that the foregoing political supposition was confirmed in the recent federal Victoria by-election. A Forum Reasearch opinion poll at the beginning of the campaign:

NDP: 47%
Green: 20%

The final result:

NDP: 37%
Green: 34%

And the Greens were leading the NDP for most of the night on election eve. The NDP only got over the top with its advance vote. Def a trend to watch in BC 2013.

Something about fossil fuels.......

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/01/201313144952293200.html

Rutgers Snow Lab said it Paisley

I didn't make it up!
Whenever reality conflicts with the meme, Warmists accuse Realists of lying.
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/

More bad news for Warmists from China:
Temperatures recorded since the end of November 2012 have marked the lowest temps to hit China in 28 years, the China Meteorological Administration (CMA) said Saturday.

Temps have averaged minus 3.8 degrees Celsius since the last 10 days of November, about 1.3 degrees lower than the previous recorded average.

Temperatures in northeast China hit a 43-year low and stood at minus 15.3 degrees Celsius, about 3.7 degrees below the previous recorded average.

http://english.cri.cn/6909/2013/01/05/2941s742193.htm

We have so many real man-made problems, like being microwaved by cell phones and smart meters, that to have people continue to push the total nonsense about the effects of trace gases on weather/climate is beyond contempt or sanity!

I see I'll have to add a name

http://www.desmogblog.com/global-warming-denier-database

That's an Honor Roll, Hack!

What a wonderful list of courageous people who have withstood the government funded, false consensus meant to lead us to a modern version of feudalism.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/catastrophic-global-warming-ecological-brainwashing-and-world-government/16494

Let's celebrate World Greening instead of "freezing in the dark."

"The latest and most detailed satellite data, which is yet to be published but was summarized in an online lecture last July by Ranga Myneni of Boston University, confirms that the greening of the Earth has now been going on for 30 years. Between 1982 and 2011, 20.5% of the world’s vegetated area got greener, while just 3% grew browner; the rest showed no change.

"What explains this trend? Man-made nitrogen fertilizer causes crops to grow faster, but it is having little effect on forests. There are essentially two possibilities: climate and carbon dioxide itself. Warmer, wetter weather should cause more vegetation to grow. But even without warming, an increase in carbon dioxide should itself accelerate growth rates of plants. CO2 is a scarce resource that plants have trouble scavenging from the air, and plants grow faster with higher levels of CO2 to inhale.

Dr. Myneni reckons that it is now possible to distinguish between these two effects in the satellite data, and he concludes that 50% is due to “relaxation of climate constraints,” i.e., warming or rainfall, and roughly 50% is due to carbon dioxide fertilization itself. In practice, the two interact. A series of experiments has found that plants tolerate heat better when CO2 levels are higher.

The inescapable if unfashionable conclusion is that the human use of fossil fuels has been causing the greening of the planet in three separate ways: first, by displacing firewood as a fuel; second, by warming the climate; and third, by raising carbon dioxide levels, which raise plant growth rates."
http://www.thegwpf.org/matt-ridley-fossil-fuels-greened-planet/

one word of truth defeats a thosuand lies

http://www.alternet.org/story/152849/huge_blow_to_science_deniers%3A_koch_funded_researchers_confirm_global_warming

...Cool Hand

That new dynamic you mention is real. The NDP have to get money somewhere and they know it. Right here we have Nic S battling it out with lefties over global warming, and Nic has always passionately supported the NDP, both federal and provincial. In fact, we have it on very good authority that he is an NDP candidate in the upcoming election.

Only half true, MB

I have never voted for other than an NDP candidate, but have no connection to the party, not even membership.

As for Hack's "Truth", Richard Muller was never a "skeptic" and he and his daughter are in the climate business together. His credibility is wanting and the fact that he was funded by the dreaded Koch Bros. is just icing on the cake the Globalists have tried to cook up. i.e. "Climate Change" as the road to Global Governance.

Global Warming or Global Governance (2007)
http://archive.org/details/GlobalWarmingTruth

Left/Right is an illusion. Soros funds the Left, the Koch Bros the Right...what's the dif?

...Nic

Then my information is wrong. Excuse me.

Did you hear about that hot deal that Al Gore pulled off last week? He sold his Current TV station to oil, and only oil, financed Qatar's Al-Jazeera for hundreds of millions in profit. Al managed to squeeze the deal through before the end of the year. Just in time to avoid a slew of tax obligations!

Tax evasion

http://current.com/community/94012223_about-that-shell-oil-rig-aground-in-alaska-turns-out-they-were-moving-it-to-avoid-state-taxes-on-equipment.htm

ModestyBlaise

Not a fan of Al Gore? Tell Cool Hand that, he says the US Democrats are like his BC Liberals.

Did you vote for Christy Clark? Does that make you an Al Gore supporter in some way then?

ModestyBlaise and Cool Hand

"In fact, we have it on very good authority that he is an NDP candidate in the upcoming election."

"Then my information is wrong. Excuse me."

That's pretty funny. I have to ask now, what constitutes "very good authority" in the mind of Liberals?

NickS

You don't see any difference between what Soros has funded and what the Koch's have funded?

Good thing in Canada we got rid of subsidized political parties based on actual voter support and replaced it with a system where the poor are "free" to contribute as much as the rich to the party of their choice.

Frank

He's referring to South Delta NDP candidate Nic (Without the "k") Slater who posts on both Twitter and here under the tag "Shepsil". BTW, that guy is a real "winner". Why is the BC NDP attracting so many looney "space cadets" as candidates?

Hell, Harcourt was able to attract some good reasonable candidates. Not so the Dixian NDP version.

Kinda reminds me of Alberta's Wildrose Alliance whereby some of their looney candidate's pronouncements caused a massive swing back to Alison Redford's PC's during this years AB election campaign.

Luke

Are you claiming that Blaise's "very good authority" is you?

Or are you claiming that Blaise's "very good authority" is himself?

NDP candidates?

A cucumber with hair would be a better candidate than what your Liberals have served up to us over the last decade.

Everything from the weird to criminal to uneducated boobs. Kinda like the Libs in Quebec and Ontario.

There's a reason why within a year there will be no Liberal governments in Canada (at least in provinces with populations bigger than Surrey).

Frank

I will give you a couple of examples in 2 ridings:

1. Penticton:

The NDP took the seat in 1991 with the Socred/Liberal split.

This year, the Liberals had these 4 folks running and contesting the riding nomination:

a. Penticton mayor Dan Ashton
b. Summerland mayor Janice Perrino
c. Former British Columbia School Trustees Association head Connie Denesiuk
d. Businessman Mark Ziebarth

Over 700 people voted at the nomination meeting. Penticton mayor Dan Ashton is now the Lib nominee. The NDP would consider these moderate folk "dream" candidates.

As for the NDP candidate in Penticton? Compared to the Libs 700+ voting members, the NDP attracted ~160 voting members with 2 candidates running including a failed Summerland councillor. The NDP winner? Dick Cannings - an old hippie tree-hugger/granola-bar eater type decked out in an old tweed suit. Unlike 1991, the NDP ain't gonna win that seat.

2. Shuswap:

The NDP took the seat in 1991 with the Socred/Liberal split.

This year (yesterday actually during a snow storm), the Liberals had these 5 folk running and contesting the riding nomination:

1.Poll-topping Sicamous councillor and businessman Greg Kyllo
2. Former Salmon Arm mayor Marty Bootsma
3. Former Spallumcheen mayor Will Hansma
4. Salmon Arm businessman Mel Arnold
5. Salmon Arm businessman Jordan Ross

Almost 600 people voted at the nomination meeting - during a snowstorm no less. Sicamous councillor and businessman Greg Kyllo is now the Lib nominee. Again, the NDP would consider these moderate folk "dream" candidates.

As for the NDP candidate in Shuswap? The riding wasn't even contested AFAIK and the NDP candidate is enviro Steve Gunner. As for Gunner's MSM quips up there? "The free enterprise system has failed us". I mean WTF? And you think moderate swing voters will vote for a leftard like that?

I can go through almost every BC riding analytically like that but obviously not enough room here.

The BC NDP is simply drawing too many leftard social activists, labour activists, and enviro loonies. They don't represent moderate swing voters. Why is that?

If the May election was decided upon candidates alone, the Liberals would win in a landslide. No doubt about that.

Luke

How is that a relevant response to my posts?

Canada sent 5 divisions overseas in WW2 and a 6th division was earlmarked for the invasion of Japan. Is that relevant too?

The fact is, everyone knows who the BC Liberals are who actually won seats over the last decade. They're nothing to crow about.

How many more MLAs do you have that wirte letters to their local papers unbder different names claiming their MLA is a great guy?

How many MLAs do you have that believe the earth is only 9,000 years old?

Luke

So... who's Blaise's "very good authority"?

...Frank

Luck doesn't no, so there's no need to keep prodding. you really are zipping off in all directions.

I guess you and the whole Dix gang are pretty worried about the Greens.

That's entirely understandable. Could well be critical.

as luck would have it

I've obtained video of what our new NDP government will be doing in Victoria the first day of the Liberation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqAIrFLuymo

NDP Policy

It is too bad you didn't get the video of the BC NDP policy on the environment rather than such drivel. Here is there position.

http://www.buildingsustainablebc.ca/

Blaise

You made a ridiculous assertion, par for the course, and got egg on your face. Too bad, so sad.

an unfindable link

So Socredlieberal. :)

"Where women glow"

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/temperatures-off-the-charts-as-australia-turns-deep-purple-20130108-2ce33.html