And those clowns want to run

And those clowns want to run a line clear across BC, then into tankers on the way to China. anyone saying they have grave concerns are cosidered nobodies by Harper. THink again harper

Just need a few more of those ads folks.

You know the TV ads from Enbridge. They play soft music and you expect some holy deity to come into focus and ease all your concerns about pipelines and dirty oil.

Enbridge Ad Campaign

Who is Enbridge trying to fool with their ads?

In Enbridge's 'light and breezy' advertising campaign, the human animations skipping rope or walking together as a nuclear family have yellow or orange hair.

Is Enbridge trying to fool 'white' people into supporting pipelines with this ad, or are they stating that Indigenous (brown) people do not (or will not) exist?

Fuel dumped into Lake Ontario

How come nobody mentions or cares that Air Canada dumped 80,000 lbs of jet fuel into Lake Ontario? Are spills/dumps by "essential services" exempt from environmental reviews?

Didn't one of the coastal bands also have a leak spill 1,000s of gallons of fuel into the "pristine" coastal waters?

New Enbridge motto:

A leak a day is the Enbridge way!

The only BC jobs we'd get out of Gateway is cleanup, and even that is dubious...

Of course, Enbridge and our

Of course, Enbridge and our "conservatives" will give us an ironclad guarantee that no such breaks will ever happen in BC. We desperately need that pipeline to "create wealth, jobs and prosperity".

In China and India.

We also have to remember, guaranteed by our economists, that any such cleanup also "creates wealth" , here in Canada, with the "growth of the GDP" figures. The more breaks and accidents, the wealthier we are. Ask Mr. Harper. He has a Masters in the "science".

Ed Deak.

Sask Resident

Talking about corporations and more leaks is not exactly helping your side's case. No one is going to say, "oh look, Sask Resident says leaks happen due to corporate greed and mistakes in other areas too, so why worry?".

Unless you've joined our side and are now against the Enbridge pipeline?

Ed Deak

I like how you put words in other people's mouths with the hope of being able to get them to eat those words at a later date.

English 101 for snert

'Quote:
Of course, Enbridge and our "conservatives" will give us an ironclad guarantee that no such breaks will ever happen in BC. We desperately need that pipeline to "create wealth, jobs and prosperity".'

True of false snert, Ed was being:

(a)
fa·ce·tious
   [fuh-see-shuhs]
adjective
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.

or

(b)
sar·casm
   [sahr-kaz-uhm]
noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark:

Pretty tricky stuff for sure, okay...class dismissed (~_~)

Snert.....I have seen

Snert.....I have seen politicians, so called "economists", generals, and "leaders" of all kinds of ideologies and religions eat, or forced to eat, their words in my life, so nothing surprises me any more.

What does surprise me that after thousands of years of the same lies, crap and idiocies, people still believe them and keep falling from disaster into hundred more, all caused by them.

There was Harpo on TV last night promising more "prosperity" with the coming Pacific "free trade" fraud. Some people obviously are still falling for this crap, not realizing, or ignoring, that our overall living standards have been going to hell ever since the present neoclassical market economic crime wave forced these destructive "FREE TRADE" treaties on us.

Will people ever wake up ?

Ed Deak. (Hope this will go through?)

Issue no. 60, 20 June 2012
http://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue60/whole60.pdf
You can download the whole issue as a pdf document by clicking here

In this issue:

Neo-classical economics: 2
A trail of economic destruction since the 1970s
Erik S. Reinert download pdf

Pumping station is not a river or boreal marsh

If you were going to have an oil spill or leak a pumping station is the perfect place for it. All pumping stations I believe are suppose to have berms to contain spills however they are not required to have an asphalt surface so oil cannot be absorbed into the soil.

The spill in Elk Point by Enbridge the other day was about 1450 barrels (230,000 litres) and caused by a failed gasket at a flanged joint within the station's perimeter. It was fortunate that it did happen here as the pipeline within the pumping station area has several valves that are designed to close when a pressure change is detected which I believe did happen. However, whatever oil is left between valves will leak out. It is inevitable and the soft underbelly of oil pipelines.

Enbridge has been ordered to check the gaskets on all flanges and valve connections in all of their pumping stations in Alberta.

Not to diminish any spill but this one was well contained and will be easily cleaned up unlike the two others near Rainbow Lake and the one recently near Red Deer.

The authorities in Alberta should look over maintenance records of Enbridge to see what the frequency is for changing out gaskets on valves and flanges at their pumping stations.

The problem as I have stated before is how little meaningful oversight there is concerning pipeline safety in Canada. The current owner responsibility policy does not prevent spills it seems but does hold the company responsible for the costs associated with cleaning up their mess. I believe in the case of crossing several waterways in BC the focus should be on preventing spills to a zero probability and that just isn't possible nor can it be guaranteed.

Erik Andersen brought up an issue with the Joint Commission hearing submissions regarding the proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline. Mr. Andersen wondered if Enbridge had sufficient insurance liability coverage to pay for the worst case scenario spill. Enbridge is not a Shell, Exxon, Total or BP and would not be able to cover costs associated with spills like the Exxon Valdez, BP Gulf of Mexico spills.

Enbridge itself estimated the cost of cleaning their spill into the Kalamazoo waterways in Michigan in 2010 at $300-$400 million. As of September 27, 2011, it was reported that Enbridge "had surpassed the $650 million that the com­pany can be reimbursed through its pollution liability insurance policy".

Enbridge submitted a report to the SEC on September 26, 2011 stating that the estimated cost of the cleanup to date was $750 million. This estimate it seems did not include any government fines or penalties Enbridge will certainly receive.

So the question remains, does Enbridge have sufficient liability coverage to finance the cost of cleaning up of a worst case scenario spill? It appears it doesn't. Can large oil spills be completed cleaned up? It appears they can't.

Ed

Thanks for link. Very enlightening read indeed.

End Endridge

That pipeline must not go through BC, EVER. We should have given more support to that fellow in Alberta who was blowing up pipelines there. Yeah, we don't want to kill people, but we do need to kill the pipeline and jail corrupt politicians bought by Big Oil. That's a lot of people, but we can eliminate the election of brainwashed and oil-collaborative politicians if we could only end the continuous misinformation put out by the Koch Bros. and their financed (and Fish Farm-supported) Fraser Instapuke.

The F.I. enjoys charity status! That alone is criminal. The rich thugs who contribute to it get a windfall in tax deductions for aiding propaganda in their favour. Even Toronto's Globe and Mail put out an Esso-paid-for ad disguised as a "document" which said "global warming" was a natural earth cycle. Esso paid for it, but ESSO's name was not put on the paper as the purchaser of the ad. Alas, most people are gullible, so such ads, disguised as truth, work on them pervasively and successfully. Look how many otherwise conscientious writers here call the TAR Sands a euphemistic Oil Sands. Subtly brainwashed are they! So you have to know things are even worse than what they can see because they are a little brainwashed.

but Mary Sue,

those politicians OWN the courts and cops. What ya gonna do?