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Isn't it funny that as soon

Isn't it funny that as soon as the NDP were voted out, the BC economy caught fire. I know of people who were waiting to make a decision on a building project based on whether or not the NDP was elected. When the Liberals got in, the very next day they moved ahead. Money to run the government comes from the private sector...hear this, socialists, if the private sector has no trust in the government, it will not invest and there are no profits to tax. Without tax dollars the government has to borrow money to run. The province sinks into debt, further worsening the investment climate and choking the source of taxes. We had several years of the NDP and we went to the brink of ruin. The Liberals are imperfect, but they're the only viable option we have if we don't want to return BC to the malaise it suffered under the NDP.

andersm

What's really funny is that its not true.

What the anti-children types don't like hearing is that more jobs were created under the NDP than under the Liberals and that economic growth was higher.

A few things did grow under the Libs though, things like the debt and child poverty.

ohh andersm

thanks soo much for the a lesson on the ways of the economy.

A few minor points.

1) economic growth was basically the same under the NDP as it has been during the "golden decade". In fact the NDP left a 1.5 billion dollar surplus for gordo, which he promptly turned into a huge deficit... remember? I am not saying the there were not issues under the NDP, but please do not try to pull this dismal decade BS, it just does not stand up to facts.

2) This is not the CCF we are talking about here. The Carol James' NDP is a moderate centre left party. Have you read the platform? No socialism, no revolutions. Business has been invited to the table and they will sit down once Carol is premier because it is in their interest to do so. They talk a big game now, but the reality of an NDP government is not so scary. Both the NDP and the libs are fighting for the middle in this one.

3)Fear mongering will not work. The libs have squandered the up swing in our cyclical economy with silly tax cuts and pet projects. Are we better off as a society? education is worse, homelessness is way up, health care is worse (get ready for cuts after the election, already in the works), higher fees for most things. I would say we are not better off. what about you?

the comment above is one of

the comment above is one of the dumbest I've ever read.

There is plenty of evidence that people were better off during the NDP's term, in the 1990s.

When I grew up in Terrace in the 1990s, there were 2 mills running full force. How many mills are there now? None. None running. No one working. Yeah. If that is success under Gordon Campbell, I'll take the "economic ruin" of the NDP when people had jobs.

Not one new metal mine has opened under the Campbell government. That is what Terry Lyons of Northgate minerals said in the January issue of BC Business.

Not one new metal mine. Countless closed mines, countless closed mills. More than 80 000 out of work in the first months of this year. Worst performance of any province during this downturn, highest child poverty, spent every cent we got in the good times on idiot projects like that giant white elephant convention centre on the waterfront and the OWElympics.

Anyone who thinks Campbell is a good economic manager is a fool.

oh crap.... I meant my

oh crap.... I meant my comment to be a reply to ander, not the one directly above oops. That is what I get for being mean.

The TEA LEAVES...

I'm surprised that the '60's Beatnik crowd showed up in full force.

I'm also surprised that there was also not a poetry reading by Jack Kerouac. Perhaps Dobie Gillis attended?

Frank, were you there also playing your bongo drum? :D

REAL middle-class stuff. ;)

The City of Vancouver is where hard-core NDP support in Metro Vancouver is situate. Why would Carole be campaigning, in the dying days of the campaign, in the City of Vancouver?

And some of these ridings, that Carole campaigned in today, have always been hard core NDP... Vancouver-Mount Pleasant, Vancouver Kingsway, and soft NDP Vancouver-Fairview?

http://www.vancouversun.com/James+five+riding+tour+carries+promises+kids+renters+seniors/1569878/story.html

And Carole's message today of the minimum wage and other social issues only plays to the NDP hard core base.

OTOH, El Gordo was in hard core NDP North Coast (WTF?), and neighbouring NDP held Skeena.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Campbell+touts+government+record+stronghold/1569643/story.html

In the dying days of the campaign, where the leaders are campaigning confirms what's REALLY going on.

I suspect that the Lib spread is roughly in the neighbourhood of 10% - 14%, which should be confirmed by Ipsos/Mustel in the dying days of the campaign.

And, YES, I still stand by the roughly 60 - 25 Lib seat victory next Tuesday. A more accurate seat count will be determined by Mustel's final opinion poll result.

Luke

"And Carole's message today of the minimum wage and other social issues only plays to the NDP hard core base."

Yes, its unfortunate but true that you don't care about how badly paid many people in BC are. Its only us "hard core" NDP types that give a damn. Too bad your premier isn't as honest as you are.

Luke

Is that why Gordon Campbell was in Burnaby yesterday and port Moody?

Is that why Campbell was in Delta? Campbell in Dave Hayers riding?.....

Campbell up helping Bill Bennett? Campbell in Prince George........

Your so wrong Luke......

Do you remember your prediction for the Vancouver Provincial bi-election?

Here is your quote Luke Skywalker

"Liberals will sweep both seats in the bi-election"

You were wrong then and your wrong now.......

Carole James made today her 2nd visit to Point Grey....She is going after Gordon Campbell`s seat!..How many visits by Campbell to Premier James riding? ans-NONE......

As for mustel and Ipso reid,,,,I don`t think they will do anymore polls before the election.....Their credibilty is on the line.......
They left the last phoney poll up to Phil Hocstein and Environics..........

Luke,you know what I find absolutely hilarious,the very last poll the Environics group did was titled........

( Canadians not ready for emissions pricing)

Cheers-Eyes Wide Open

Have a good read Luke Skywlaker.....

An interesting column by guess who......

Environics....They don`t say very nice things about what Canadians think of carbon taxes......

http://www.green-business.ca/Why-Canadians-are-not-ready-for-enviromental-pricing.html

I guess Ipsos and Mustel couldn`t accomodate Phil Hocstein`s need for a skewed poll...........

Maybe Hocstein should of read Environics last column before having them do the polling!

Read this Luke .......

The very last column from Environics.....

http://www.green-business.ca/Why-Canadians-are-not-yet-ready-for-enviromental-pricing-reform.html

Cheers

Sorry about that link

I got the link right here for envionics last column..........

Canadians hate carbon taxes,read it here.....

http://www.green-business.ca/Why-Canadians-are-not-yet-ready-for-environmental-pricing-reform.html

Have to agree with Secret Cove - LUKE??

If I was strategist,campaigning in the incumbent premier's riding is something that will draw a lot of attention. The art of war my friends. Attack when you have the advantage....but I could be wrong..we will know soon. Sounds like a new swing riding.

I heard from a few friends who voted green last time with good intentions and maybe if the STV was in place then the green votes would count for more. But this time they don't want to have the same results, so they are voting NDP. STV can change all of this..

Y'know what?

I hate to say it, but I think the BC Liberals are running scared...this is going to be really interesting.

Even the typical rightwinger who hangs around Tyee looking for low-hanging fruit is starting to sound a bit desperate wouldn't you say Frank?

Something's in the air.....and it's not just the sound of cheering for the Canucks.

Oh, and by the way luke, guess you haven't heard about that private poll from the west side of the peninsula eh?

Better get off the phone and check it out tomorrow....

Wishful thinking, Garth

Garth, you are engaging in wishful thinking at the very least. The Liberals are going to win no matter how loud your lot squeals. I am really looking forward to the election night silence and then how you blame everybody but yourselves.

Fact is, the plurality of voters have heard your prognostications of doom so often before they have tuned it out. Going back to the 1970s is not going to continue the good work Gordon Campbell and the Liberal Party of British Columbia have done. We are as a province going to choose to move forward to a greener, positive and more prosperous future.

Keep on squealing. But don't learn from you defeat. You didn't learn last time and that is exactly why you are getting whompped again.

Oh, and Garth....

Make you a little wager.....

NDP wins: I never post here again.

Liberals win: You never post here again.

Are you up to it? Come on, a little friendly wager never hurt anybody!

Wilfred Laurier....

G West will never take that wager. :D

If G West was representative of the BC NDP they would only take 5% - 10% of the vote.

Heck, G West's cousin in Germany (let's call him G Westeinbuerger) would vote for Die Linke (the Left) as the SPD (Social Democrats) would be toooooooooooooooooooooo
right wing. ;)

Respectfully WilFRED

You Bore Me.

I could care less what you do. You haven't even got the wit to spell your own avatar's name correctly....

I do care that enough sensible and sensitive people take their own futures and best interests in their hands and go out next Tuesday and help me get rid of the human stain that has taken hold of this province for the last 8 years.

It will take a generation to erase the effects of this man's selfishness and lies - by comparison you're not even in the picture. But, as they say, we have to start somewhere - just having someone with a heart and some decency, a sense of public justice and fairness and a commitment to something besides the self will be a great relief as Premier of this place for the next 4 years.

And even if the forces of darkness throw out Carole James after just 4 years it will have been a great victory to rid the province I love of Gordon Campbell.

The only person doing any squealing is you - which isn't surprising I guess, given you're apparently capable of little else.

Cambell is HISTORY

Prediction....Gordon will lose his seat in 'Point Grey' by 2,778 votes.

Garry Nixon (as a constituent) has circulated an awesome flyer at his personal expense and risk that exposes the bare facts of our convicted drunk driver Premier Gordon Cambell and his unaccomplishments. This nonsense called leadership must come to an end and I call upon all of you enlightened voters in some of the most desirable postal codes in Canada to elect an MP that truly represents our values and not NAFTA.

gb...

Ya just might be on to somethin'.

According to the latest Stats Can numbers there as been a DRAMATIC influx of bongo drummers into the Vancouver constituency of Point-Grey.

A picture is worth a thousand words:

Keep the Straw Out of Your Bathwater Luke

Posting Family Reunion photos on the Internet is not fair to your Near and Dear

Wilf

"Make you a little wager.....
NDP wins: I never post here again."

We already know that you won't.

"Fact is, the plurality of voters have heard your prognostications of doom"

Its not prognostications, its I-told-you-so.

Our prognostications came true.

Photographic Proof

Luke S's photo does prove one thing. He does work in the PAB. I wonder which "Bot" number he is.

It's a great line by Carole, one that should be in a campaign ending radio spot.

get the truth out

Though I dearly like what The TYEE does, and I come here to read it daily, I think it is important for us to remember that the paid hacks are hitting all of the media. I believe the clear and heartfelt thoughts of average citizens need to be heard in as many forums and in as many forms as possible before this election day.

Luke's picture posting..

...is just another example of the irrelevance of his posts. It shows how desperate they are getting. Just like all his copy and paste sheets it reallly adds nothing. The name of their game is to keep people distracted and busy, As Sharingisgood says, they are now everywhere trying to prevent any intelligent discussion.

luke flystalker, I am

always surprised tha t whenever the liberals get together there aren't child sacrifices...oh, that's right, there are, and sacrifices of seniors and the poor and libations bc hydro,and teresen gas spilled out upon the ground, and then the taxpayers interest, is ritually pissed on, while the neo-liberals make sacrifices of taxpayer assetts while baying ecstatically to their great god moloch, who they worship above all else, and then the premier comes out , his hands covered in blood, as the drums explode into a frenzied crescendo, and the beast like crowd chants: "Ahoonga-wonga! Ahoonga wonga!"

Then, hark, there is a burst of radiance and the goddess Carolinus Jameus, appears, enveloped in a radiant light...the bc neoliberals scatter, their bestial faces beslimed with their unholy sacrifices. The fraser institute shaman runs off into the woods baying at the top of his lungs of the sanctity of free markets, carrying a piece of hs true cross- one of ronald reagan's carbunkles...then the light from the goddess touches the crouching, cringing, whining pants soiling premier member of the tribe and he bursts into oily flames screaming piteously for a matai...the horror, the horror, the horror...

in awe at your eloquence,

frenchy mcswede! What a vision...

Should be a no-brainer

DUI in Hawaii: Guilty

HEU firings: Guilty

BC Rail sale: Guilty (coming soon)

If the people of BC want a criminal - and a slopp one at that - to run their affairs for yet another term, VOTE LIBERAL!

Oops

Sloppy (bad word to misspell)! lol!

thanks vivian,

may you never be hungry again, or anyone else in bc ...gone with the wind, starred vivian lea, I think...

You Got That Right

Big mess as next government will eventually find out where the province actually stands. As how big a hole did Campbell put BC in? Children who are left malnutritioned are strong candidates for amputation as the next generation is a bunch of cripples. As Liberals feed kids the cities garbage along with the poor with a steady diet of filler that should have found its way to the garbage years ago. As food banks hands out food gone wrong as they fill the empty stomachs up with useless garbage. So expect the next generation to be short changed an arm or two as their little bodies and minds couldn't take the Campbell abuse.

And there are child scrafices going on

All the time as its been the platform of the Liberals to put the poor to the streets much like in India where women and children are discrimanted against and forced into prositution and earn their way. Works for India but this is not India this is Canada. BC Liberals = Child Starvation + Child Abuse for its 6 year in a row.
And going down for the count as each year the Liberals get their bad report card on Children services and proceed to put in more cuts. And this has been going on for five years in a row and these kids no longer have a bottom as its a living nightmare for a poor child in BC along with her mom.

You know,

the bc liberals really AREN'T liberals, in either the obvious old fashioned sense, but also because they're really much more like mike harris, version 2.0, if you catch my drift. And they have only the worst features of the federal liberals and other provincial parties bearing the name and brand "liberal."

No, they resemble mike harris far more, in ideology and practise, as well as the harper government, whose cabinet is stacked with harris conservatives. Once removed from office it was discovered that the harris government's jim flaherty (now harper's finance minister) left ontario WITH A HIDDEN $5 BILLION DEBT...I wonder what campbell's hiding from us...BESIDES the already known MASSIVE OLYMPIC OVERRUNS, P3 OVERRUNS, HYDRO PURCHASE OBLIGATIONS AT MARKET RATES ETC. I do wonder what the forensic accountants are going to find after may 12...

Gone With the Wind

starred Vivien Leigh, Frenchy. This VivianLea: debt-ridden student, praiser of eloquence, acolyte of the goddess...

Campbell support in freefall....

Latest Mustel poll,Campbell has fallen 9 points since Mustels last poll......

And considering Mustel and Joan Mcyntire have zero credibilty.......

This election is over.....

And where is Gordon Campbell today......

Up in Prince George trying to save Pat Bell and Shirley Bond......Well Luke?

I guess Kennedy Stewart is going to have to (re-jigger) his election prediction!

Next Angus Reid poll to be released tonight on CTV News (Bill Good hour)at 6.00pm.......

Rumour has it.......A 3 point NDP Lead...

Cheers-Eyes Wide Open

Early life

I posted this on The Gazetteer's site and Bill T's site.

Here is a little blurb about Gordo "Early Life" in his biography on a BC Liberal site.__"Upon returning to Vancouver, Mr. Campbell worked for the City of Vancouver for three years as Executive Assistant to Mayor Art Phillips. In 1976 Mr. Campbell left the Mayor’s office to work for Marathon Realty. While working at Marathon, Mr. Campbell took night courses at Simon Fraser University and received his Masters Degree in Business Administration. After five years at Marathon Mr. Campbell started his own business, Citycore Development Corporation which would go on to build several projects in Vancouver. __During this period Mr. Campbell remained active in Vancouver politics, joining the Downtown Stadium Committee which successfully lobbied the government to build BC Place Stadium at its current location in downtown Vancouver. On the heels of this success in 1984 Mr. Campbell ran for and was elected to Vancouver City Council." __Notice how he was a lobbyist, even though it was for his own project. It is interesting that his outfit, Citycore Development Corp., was involved in building BC Place Stadium. This is a building in need of major repairs, and a legacy to his development work. It points out to us the quality of his work, work that requires 100's of millions of dollars to repair. _And he has the audacity to whine that Carole James doesn't have business experience. Look at what his business experience is costing the taxpayers of BC.

More on Luke S's photo

What Luke is doing here is playing an old Liberal trick, an application of political sociology. In a way, it's remiscent of those old ads which asked "What kind of man reads Playboy?"

The game is to focus on the imagined support base of a party, the people who are thought to vote for it or who set the tone of that party. It's a use of stereotypes and popular imagery, of prejudice at times. In its simplest and most routine version, it involves all the anti-union material.

But it reaches much further than that and touchs any part of people's lives that is thought to be capable of annoying or energizing voters with different personal tastes and preferences.

Anything can be used, anything at all. Be it lifestyle habits, from diet to leisure activities, drugs, alcohol and tabacco, type of car/home, urban or rural, gun ownership, you name it. And then of course, there's always the tried and true, grand old Liberal standbys such as religion and ethnicity. To some degree, that's what Luke's photo is pitching to, the distaste more socially conservative people have for irreligious people.

Remember that every academic study of Canadian voting behaviour has found that Catholics are the most consistent element in the Liberal voting coalition. By ridiculing hippies with bongo drums Luke is pitching to working class Catholics whose church and separate schools are important instruments in achieving some degree of upward mobility for their children.

It's something to be aware of, it's highly manipulative and distracts intentionally from real issues. And sadly, few people are fully immune to these appeals.

The Real Issue here

Rod, the real issue here is how the platform of your party, ie "Gordon Campbell is Lucifer" does not work. It did not work in 2001, 2005 or in 2009. You preach to the choir very well but you do not sway enough voters to attain office. I know you all believe it like religion and perhaps this is the reason you cannot move on. Then, like clockwork, Tuesday night you will all be silent and then blame everybody but yourselves for your drubbing and having learned absolutely nothing from your one plank platform, you will do the same thing in 2013, convince yourselves of your Righteousness and pick our the new carpet in the premier's office and the chair for Ken Shields and get beat again.

Slow learners, and fortunate for the Province of British Columbia.

Merely substitute BC Liberal and The NDP

In the appropriate places and you've perfectly described yourself WilFRED...or haven't you been paying attention to the hate ads on every radio station sponsored by one or the other of these groups?

Coalition Members

ABLE BC

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Ph: (604) 688-5560 Fax: (604) 688-8560

BC Hotel Association

2nd Floor - 948 Howe Street
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Ph: (604) 681-7164 Fax: (604) 681-7649

BC Chamber of Commerce

1201 - 700 West Pender Street
Vancouver, BC V6C 1G8
Ph: (604) 683-0700 Fax: (604) 683-0416

BC Real Estate Association

600 - 2695 Granville Street
Vancouver, BC V6H 3H4
Ph: (604) 683-7702 Fax: (604) 683-8601

BC Restaurant and Foodservices Association

140 - 475 West Georgia Street
Vancouver, BC V6B 4M9
Ph: (604) 669-2239 Fax: (604) 669-6175

Building Owners & Managers Association

556 - 409 Granville Street
Vancouver, BC V6C 1T2
Ph: (604) 684-3916 Fax: (604) 684-4876

Building Supply Industry Association of BC

Unit #2, 19299 - 94th Avenue
Surrey, BC V4N 4E6
Ph: (604) 513-2205 Fax: (604) 513-2206

Canadian Home Builders' Association - BC

3700 Willingdon Avenue
Burnaby, BC V5G 3H2
Ph: (604) 432-7112 Fax: (604) 432-9038

Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association

2410 - 555 West Hastings Street
Vancouver, BC V6B 4N6
Ph: (604) 685-9655 Fax: (604) 685-9633

Independent Contractors and Business Association

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Insurance Brokers Association of BC

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New Car Dealers Association of BC

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Retail Council of Canada

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Retail BC

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Ph: (604) 736-0368 Fax: (604) 736-3154

Western Silvicultural Contractors' Association

720 - 999 West Broadway
Vancouver, BC V5Z 1K5
Ph: (604) 736-8660 Fax: (604) 738-4080

Do a quick cross check on the list of lobbyists registered to pig out at Gordo's trough....

Nope, no conflicts of interest there, no siree - just move along folks - nothin' interesting here..

That's the trouble with crooks WilFRED, to them there are no honest men.

It doesn't matter Garth

Stick and stones, Garth. The NDP has lost the election and you know it. You won't take my wager because deep inside, you know that you have lost.

Fortunately for the Province, you will learn nothing from yet another drubbing. You'll do the same thing in 2013 and lose again. For a group of people who thing they are so smart and that everybody else is "stupid" you sure don't seem to learn very fast.

Religion, Wilfred?

Wilfred Laurier
Rod, the real issue here is how the platform of your party, ie "Gordon Campbell is Lucifer" does not work. It did not work in 2001, 2005 or in 2009. You preach to the choir very well but you do not sway enough voters to attain office. I know you all believe it like religion and perhaps this is the reason you cannot move on.

LOL, it's funny Wilfred that you would compare other people's politics to religious belief, but not your own!

Can you show me a copy of this NDP platform which portrays Campbell as the Devil and nothing more?

it does matter, G West

Thanks for the very informative list...