Yes indeed

Should make for a interesting topic on the Cutting ledge,I will make sure it gets some radio air time.
What a bunch of gullibles the greenies are,they don`t even know they are being played by their own corporate elite.

Suzuki should go back to

Suzuki should go back to selling weather stripping on TV adds. Should Gordo form government again, one wonders how many days it would be before those groups backing him will go off in another direction. They seem to jump on any bandwagon they think is heading the way they figure the province should be going

Perhaps .........

Someone should put out a bulletin or get the Suzuki/pembina mailing list and imform their members about these activities.

I don`t think it matters very much,the greens left the NDP already,anybody who is too stupid to look at the real enviroment,think about it,if you were a green freak,knew your stuff,knew the Liberal record,and all of a sudden your head green says we support the browners?Are you going to follow suit?

Jaccard,Berman,Suzuki,forest ethics,Pembina,they have no credibility,but there is still the WCWC,let them spread the word,there is no point in the NDP discrediting the fake greens,let the greens discredit each other.

Is nothing sacred anymore?Can absolutely everyone be bought off?

I think there will be many dis-illusioned greens if this imformation gets out.In fact,I put this challenge out to all of you,get this story out to every green outfit you can think of.

The real theme is simple. Vote Liberal.

Krispy
1. Hoggan's business associate, Richard Littlemore, is posting misleading anti-NDP posts on Hoggan's 'environmental' website, DeSmogblog: http://www.desmogblog.com/bc-ndp-voted-against-cap-and-trade-legislation#comment-704507

A great link, Krispy. Thanks for this, it's very informative and I hope everyone reads it thoroughly.

One of the posters at the Desmog site, Kevin Grandia, was active during the federal election last fall with a Vote for Environment website that urged people to vote for Raymond Chan in Richmond, his former employer. Chan was an advocate of developing the Garden City Lands. Once again, the real theme is simple. Vote Liberal.

Who would have thought...

Now its the best environmental organization money can buy. Way to go David Suzuki!

My thoughts on this...

If one looks closely at these last bunch of stories,one must wonder,ED DEAK talks of the horrible,tryanical,despot goverments,and occasionaly mentions nazi`s.....
Gordon Campbell has been lying,stealing,corrupting everything since his election win in 2001,he had a huge mandate,the opposition reduced to 2 seats....
Then Campbell started the giveaways,privitizing my property(BCers property)and people noticed,in 2005 election his "plan" almost derailed,now we see he has been busy.....
The courts,gag laws,forest giveaways,and who hasn`t he bought off,he has paid the greens to lie,all the mainstream media,most of the local mayors........

Can anyone ever remember any politician,any party that can lie a 1000 times a month without anyone reporting it?Distorted facts,outright lies,obvious spin,what the fuck is going on?
Maybe I am a little dramatic at times,I remember a movie called "A race with the devil"
The whole town was evil,under a spell of sorts,can people not see what Campbell is,the man is a fucking devil,a thief,a liar,my hair stands up on end when I see him,I really believe that ......
Gordon Campbell`s plans are so diabolical that he has paid billion`s to pay everyone off.
The courts,the press,health authorities,municipal councils,the police,Gordon Campbell has plans to steal every last drop of BC Land-Air-Water-I think he has plans to sell the province right out of Canada.......
Call it Campbellville, ....

There are many politicians I don`t like,but only 2 that I have really hated,George Bush and Gordon Campbell....

Bush I realize has no brains so I can forgive him,but Campbell,he really is a walking,talking white haired lucifer,as evil as one can get.
I mean what I say,Mustel poll is 25 points adrift,Campbell will lie,steal,cheat,whatever it takes,I hope somebody is watching the election itself,if Campbell has bought off everyone in sight,who`s to say elections BC is any diffrent.

No Secret

A former Teck Cominco director is going to be business director for Tides Canada?!?!?

And I thought I was incapable of being shocked anymore. Aren't they supposed to be some kind of charity foundation? Maybe it's the goldrush era offices.

Pretty soon, them and the Indian bands will be the only people hiring. Band managers, accountants, social conveners, they even contract out the snow removal from the new Squamish Lil'wat Cultural Centre & Emporium in Whistler.

But uncommonly good anaysis Krispy:

"The Carbon Tax plan also lets some of the biggest polluters off the hook. . . 30% of BC's total GHG emissions are not covered by the tax. Getting off scot free are: 'fugitive emissions' from the oil and gas industry (9% of total); 'Industrial processes' including cement and aluminum manufacturing (5% of total); non-fuel emissions from agriculture (4%); landfill emissions (7%) and more."

I've worked at wellheads when they've been flaring, burning off enough 'fugitive emissions' to fuel the city of Ft St John in the winter for two or three days in less than an hour.

But they tax the crews to drive back and forth to the oilpatch to work. And no, even though it used to go all the way to Ft Nelson we can't take the passenger train.

IPP construction uses a lot of concrete. Kilometres of it. The entire penstock is made out of concrete and that means a lot of wood to build forms, a lot of need for those trees they aren't cutting in the GBR right now. Maybe they get future green energy credit offsets.

These guys aim to carve up BC and lick her to the bone. This plan's been in the books for awhile, Club of Rome, Rio, Maurice Strong etc, using environmental issues to establish global governance.

It's no secret.

All Aboard

STARVE A BC CHILD AND GET A TAX BREAK ITS The Liberal Platform and SUZUKI is onboard the Greed Machine as the Rich go for a jet ride and the poor walk on as they can't afford the ride. We have a recession going on if anyone hasn't noticed where people are struggling with the costs of necessities while looking for jobs that aren't there. This tax is going to cripple struggling Ministries and reduce services as what do you think pays for transportation but gas taxes and transportation costs are escalating but then you have a government that keeps public affairs for their eyes only and lets face it if it wasn't for the tax the Liberals would be further in deficit as what do you think they are using .

This can't be right

Charitable organizations making party endorsements?

Great investigative reporting!

Very interesting revelations.

I respect that Suzuki and everyone else is entitled to take a principled position on policy issues like the carbon tax.

They risk discrediting their entire organization, however, when it slips from policy statement and into the realm of party politics. The way Monday's press conference was handled (or at least reported) has eroded their credibility as an independent voice on green issues. Subsequent revelations have compounded that.

Suzuki, Pembina & co need to do some damage control by very clearly distinguishing their support for the carbon tax from an overall endorsement of all BC Liberal policies, unless they want to sacrifice all the credibility they've built up over the years.

They also need to convey some sense of proportion vis a vis the importance of a carbon tax vs. all the other problematic aspects of the BC Liberal's environmental record.

Expect Increased fares reduced services

Its a guarantee as they don't have the operating revenue or the rider ship as more and more lose their jobs and who do you think the Liberals and the Foundation are going to take for a ride? Anyways his foundation is a flop if BC doesn't even get recognized for its environmental efforts having a useless foundation thats proud to support a government that ensures BC Little ones get the worst treatment out there and getting a whole lot worst while keeping in all around taps. Thats rights thats what BC needs a government committed to secret back door dealing while ensuring this environment gets it far share of pollution, bank on it the fondation is counting on just that. Because it can't be the economy as we are the laughing stock of the nation.

Who's selling out to who

And the Suzuki Foundation and others say the NDP have sold themselves for the populist vote.

Seems to me the Suzuki Foundation, Pembina, etc sold their souls to a chameleon, it will changes its colour once the election is over and the monies they secured won't mean a tinkers damn when tankers are moving up and down the coast, raw logs continue to be shipped offshore, rivers continue to be dammed, roads/bridges continue to be built and the Olympics bills come due.

More poverty, more homelessness, more criminial behaviour, less social funding for health, education, housing, and alternate transportation sources.

Higher costs for food production, goods, and services, but they'll have their carbon tax that will save the environment, for the best place on earth, right!

@Morechatter

It isn`t about the tax,it`s about the lies,it`s about Campbell`s cronies,our money paying for lies.
Look what Jaccard said last friday about the NDP cap n trade "60 thousand lost jobs"
But no mention of Campbells cap n trade

The mainstream media reporting the fraser institute report on minimum wage "52 thousand lost jobs"

I read that report,it says maybe job losses from 10.000 to 52 .000 thousand,the fraser institute,media has only used the 52 thousand number.
Campbell is saying he will "never raise the minimum wage"

These groups..Tzeporah Berman,Jaccard,Weaver,Suzuki,forest ethics,...

They don`t care about millions of tons of coal going to China from BC,they don`t care about fish farms,they don`t even mention closed containment,......

Jaccard is advocating to allow gas flaring to continue!
Have they said one word about the ENBRIDGE 4 billion dollar proposed pipeline?
Offshore oil n gas?

The assault on burns bog,Gateway?

Urban sprawl,not even one word about the flathead valley!

All they care about is Plutonic Power and the fucking gas tax!

I am so pissed off I`m not even going to recycle anymore,everything to the landfill.

Do I hear them talking about the leaching at Cashe creek dump?
Do I hear a movement to ban plastic bags,coffee cups?

These fucking green losers are going to turn everyone off for the sake of a useless gas tax?That doesn`t reduce nothing!
I will say it again,how much money has been stuffed in their mattress.

As far as I am concerned,I think the NDP need to just say NO....

No to the greens,no to the movement,the enviromental movement is officially dead,the only movement left is the movement of money.

And these green losers are going to get a big surprise,when these facts get out the true greens,the peasents,are going to flock to the NDP in droves.

Shame

As a long time reader and supporter or David Suzuki with several books by him signed" to Shawn" I can not believe what I'm reading!Gordos got to go!!NDP is the only choice!Neo liberal policies are anti democratic anti environment anti worker!!They are pro corporate pro american.The sell out of this provice has got to stop.Shame on the suzuki foundation!!Shawn Heslip

Totally Disappointed

What a complete shock and disappointment. To imagine, the foundation created by the venerable Dr. David Suzuki, has now been subverted by money and neocon supporters. This is truly sad. To support the Campbell regime, which is focused on oil, gas, daming rivers, selling out BC, is just unconscionable. And DeSmogBlog, which has many positives, is also truly compromised. How sad!

DSF; The six million dollar enterprise

The David Suzuki Foundation is not some bunch of rain-soaked idealists waving hand-painted placards at passing motorists, begging them to honk if they like Mother Nature.

The Foundation raises, according to its annual report, six million dollars a year. It spends a sixth of that, a full million, on one thing. More fundraising.

David Suzuki has been furious with the Harper Govt over CRA audits of the foundation, and since he accepts the Liberal line that Layton toppled Martin leading to Harper, he has an intense hate on for the NDP as well.

Right on Krispy!

Kripsy nails it:

"These so-called environmental organizations which have sandbagged the NDP on the opening day of the election campaign have lost all credibility in my view - joining the ranks of Patrick Moore as pseudo-environmental pariahs"

THey have become blinded by green!

this is hilarious

this is hilarious

i guess everybody wants to jump off the sinking NDP ship.

and i do not blame them. if the DSF hates CO2 and thinks the Carbon tax is the best way to combat it, then they have every right to slam the NDPs policies.

perhaps because of this, the greens will actually be voting from the Green party and split the vote in favour of the libs.

this really is hilarious

dj mk

"then they have every right to slam the NDPs policies."

Nice spin but nobody is questioning their right to hate the NDP.

The neo-cons couldn't have

The neo-cons couldn't have "sandbagged" the NDP if James and co had not opposed the carbon tax and cap and trade. Reflexive opposition turns people off. James & Co have aided and abetted the Liberal greenwash of a minor tax and deferred policies on cap and trade. Behind this green smokescreen, buttressed by some in the environmental community, the Liberals merrily promote off-shore drilling, the northern pipeline, subsidies to oil and gas exploration, and continued despoilation of the lower mainland. The NDP needs more BRAINS to get policies right -- and then deal with ISSUES rather than thoughtlessly opposing everything. Imagine Campbell's problems if the NDP had supported the carbon tax, but insisted it be larger to change behavious, that that some of the proceeds be used for green investments, and the offsets should have been more progressive in their incidence.

frank2

In other words you believe the NDP should support the carbon tax regardless of whether or not its effective or fair?

The Liberal environmentalists would attack the NDP anyway. Marc Jaccard attacks James on the issue of cap and trade but says nothing about Campbell signing a cap and trade agreement.

It doesn't matter what the NDP does the environmentalists that support the Liberals would still attack them.

Shameful,disgusting......

I have been in disgust of Christie Clark (CKNW) for some time,but today was the icing on the cake,I couldn`t believe my ears.........

Today 12.30 to 1.15 pm.....Clark is advocating TROPHY BEAR HUNTING.......

The calls were all against trophy bear hunting except one,Clark is comparing Trophy bear hunting with eating chickens.....
Apparently Deepak Chopra has come out against the BC Liberal goverment allowing the trophy hunt and Clark is PIMPING for the BC Liberals......

For someone who advocates anti-bulling to pimp for men in helicopters with high powered scopes and rifles to fly and chase down Grizzlies bears from the skies is beyond pathetic..........

An all time low for Christie Clark,if that is even possible.

http://www.cknw.com/stationshared/audiovault.aspx

Deepak Chopra

I see the province had the story......

Obviously Christie Clark was trying to make the goverment case.......

What a pathetic attempt Christie,hereis the Deepak Chopra story from the province,complete with comments

http://www.theprovince.com/Deepak+Chopra+condems+bear+hunt/1501238/story.html

Jodi White

Next someone will be pointing out that a current member of the Tides board was a Mulroney Tory heavy hitter who went on to be Vice-President at big tobacco - now that is a real commitment to social responsibility.