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For Kevin Falcon, Next Stop Premier?
Business backs him, even though he oversaw a massive jump in debt. So what are his odds?
Expensive track record: Premier Campbell with Falcon.
[Editor's note: This is the second of three articles in which Tyee contributing editor Will McMartin profiles the top Liberal leadership candidates and handicaps their chances of winning. Yesterday he gave Christy Clark 4-1 odds. Tomorrow the series finishes.]
Statements like the following have made Kevin Falcon the darling of B.C.'s business community:
"One of the things I'm most proud of is the fact that we're actually investing in transportation the way our grandparents used to -- that is, we're paying as we go,” he said in the legislature on Feb. 16, 2004, just three weeks after being named minister of transportation.
"We're not doing it the old NDP way where you borrow money you don't have and you have your grandchildren paying the costs. We're doing it pay as you go."
A wonderful sentiment. Imagine: British Columbians today can spend billions of dollars on roads, bridges, tunnels, ferries and public transit, and pay for it out of current revenues -- without leaving a burdensome debt for future generations! Golly.
Except, Falcon didn't have a clue of what he was talking about. There never has been a time in British Columbia -- not even in the '50s and '60s, when W.A.C. Bennett incurred hundreds of millions of dollars in "contingent liabilities" for infrastructure projects, all the while claiming that B.C. was debt-free -- when transportation outlays didn't leave a legacy of debt.
"Pay as you go" is as phony as a three-dollar bill. And that's especially true under Kevin Falcon, Gordon Campbell and their BC Liberal government.
Back at the end of fiscal 2000-2001, when Campbell's Liberals defeated the governing New Democrats, British Columbia's taxpayer-supported debt for transportation infrastructure stood at $4.2 billion. Three years later, when Falcon succeeded Judith Reid as transportation minister, that figure had climbed to more than $4.9 billion.
And by the end of 2009-2010, just after Falcon left for the health portfolio, taxpayer-supported transportation debt -- that is, the financial burden (see Table A2.11 on p. 78 here) left for "your grandchildren" to pay -- was over $7.5 billion.
Debt ballooned
It's true: Kevin Falcon added close to $2.6 billion in infrastructure debt during his tenure as transportation minister, all the while rejecting "the old NDP way," and promoting a "pay as you go" philosophy.
Moreover, the BC Liberals' high-spending ways have continued unchecked since Falcon left that department. The Campbell government's last budget shows (see Table A15 on p. 170 here) that B.C.'s transportation debt by the end of 2012-2013 will have skyrocketed to an all-time high of $10.1 billion -- or nearly two-and-a-half times higher than it was when the New Democratic Party government was defeated in 2001.
(Perhaps even more shocking is the BC Liberals' massive run-up for transportation projects whose future costs have been squirrelled away under the "Contingencies and Contractual Obligations" section of the public accounts. Obligations for taxpayer-supported and self-supported transportation adds up to $16 billion (see p. 75 here).
Those numbers pretty much sum up Kevin Falcon and the BC Liberals -- long on small-government rhetoric, but well short of any provable fiscal accomplishments during their decade-long tenure in power.
Still, because of support from the business community and right-of-centre BC Liberals, Falcon is certain to be among the leading contenders when the first round of leadership ballots are counted on Feb. 26.
'My competitive nature'
Born in North Vancouver in 1963, Kevin Falcon was the second-youngest of six sons raised in West Vancouver's West Bay neighbourhood. His mother, Jacqueline, was a nurse, and his father, Brian, worked in real-estate development.
("If anyone wonders where my somewhat competitive nature comes from," Falcon said in his maiden legislative speech on July 26, 2001, "I would simply invite you to imagine growing up in a family as the fifth of six boys with parents who entered us into every sport imaginable and encouraged us to strive to be the best we could.")
He worked in the insurance field after graduating from high school -- Vancouver College, the all-boys Catholic preparatory school attended by each of the Falcon progeny -- but after becoming active in the BC Social Credit Party he decided in the mid-1980s to study political science at Simon Fraser University. He obtained a bachelor's degree and went on to work at a property development company.
At SFU, Falcon was part of a tight-knit group of like-minded friends -- John Vickerstaff, Michael Sporer, Ryan Beedie, Chris Gardner, Ray Irvine, Robin Dhir, John Aisenstat, Ray Castelli, Stephen Casson and others -- who gathered under the Young Socred banner. (Christy Clark, then just about the only Liberal on the SFU campus, often chummed around with the group.)
Social Credit today is but a distant memory, but members of Falcon's SFU cabal remain close friends and many are playing vital roles in his leadership campaign.
Creating the Team
In the years after graduation, a few of the SFU alum, Falcon among them, began to focus on municipal politics in Surrey, where they helped to transform the moribund Surrey Non-Partisan Association into a dynamic, right-of-centre, pro-development entity, the Surrey Electors Team (SET).
They scored their big breakthrough in 1996, when SET's Doug McCallum upset incumbent Bob Bose, a New Democrat, to capture the mayor's office.
(Also elected to council on the SET slate in 1996 was Diane Watts, who later broke with McCallum and became mayor after defeating him in 2005. Chris Gardner, one of the SFU crew and Watts' chief political advisor, subsequently worked as manager of intergovernmental affairs at Surrey City Hall before leaving that post a year ago. Gardner now sits on the board of directors at the Fraser Health Authority, courtesy of a Falcon appointment, after earlier serving on the government-owned BC Ferry Services Inc. board when Falcon was transportation minister.)
Kevin Falcon had found a new political home in Surrey -- and a new career as a campaign organizer. McCallum's win was followed a year later with another victory when Falcon -- then on the BC Liberal payroll -- helped to steer White Rock mayor Gordon Hogg to top place in a provincial by-election in Surrey-White Rock.
'Have You Had Enough, Yet?'
Emboldened by his growing friendship with BC Liberal leader Gordon Campbell, Falcon started a "corporate communications" consultancy. It's not clear that his firm, Access Group, had many (or any) corporate clients, but Falcon continued to make news for his work on behalf of Campbell and the BC Liberals.
In Nov. 1998 he put together a rally called "Have You Had Enough, Yet?" that drew an estimated 3,500 opponents of the NDP government to the Cloverdale Agriplex in south Surrey.
The success of that event (which he promoted as "non-partisan") led Falcon to set his sights on recalling New Democratic Party MLAs across the province, so as to overthrow the government. Launched in Feb. 1999, 'Total Recall' quickly fizzled, however, when the nascent political organizer proved unable to find the necessary funding.
Not surprisingly, Falcon's increasingly high public profile became fodder for debate in the Legislative Assembly. In May 1999, Moe Sihota, then NDP minister responsible for the public service, and Christy Clark, his BC Liberal critic, engaged in a heated exchange over the resignation of Adrian Dix as principal secretary to embattled premier Glen Clark.
"It wasn't so long ago that I was reading in the paper that the leader of the opposition [Gordon Campbell] was loath to disclose the contents of the contracts he was signing with staff for his office," Sihota retorted to a Clark question. "In fact, it wasn't too long ago that I asked the leader of the opposition, through his chief of staff, to release the content of the contract for Mr. Falcon -- what the content was, and what the terms were, and how much he was paid."
The slagging match continued for several minutes, with Clark insisting that Sihota "knows full well that the leader of the opposition and the chief of staff for the leader of the opposition's office answered those questions fully and completely," and Sihota replying that "I have not yet seen that letter."
(Tyee readers may well ponder that, with Falcon and Clark now contesting the BC Liberal leadership, Dix challenging for the New Democratic Party crown, and Sihota coming under fire for collecting a salary as NDP president, not much has changed in B.C. politics over the last dozen years or so.)
Falcon's rising notoriety did not hurt in the summer of 1999 when he made a run for the BC Liberal nomination in Surrey-Cloverdale. The newcomer easily trounced Bonnie McKinnon, the BC Liberal incumbent who, after earlier declaring her intention to quit politics, abruptly reversed course and decided that she actually liked the gig.
In May 2001, Falcon won election as MLA. Weeks later he was selected by Campbell to be minister of state for deregulation.
DID FALCON CRY WOLF?
No review of Falcon's performance over the last decade would be complete without a quick review of the Significant Projects Streamlining Act, the controversial legislation he introduced seven years ago.
"There have long been concerns from investors and local governments about the lack of timeliness in obtaining project approval decisions in British Columbia," Falcon chirped in the legislature on Nov. 3, 2003.
"In fact," he added, "our province has garnered a reputation as having one of the most difficult and lengthy approval processes for major projects in North America. Inefficient review and approval processes result in many potential investments and investors waiting far too long for decisions from government."
And so Falcon brought in legislation to enable the BC Liberal cabinet to designate selected projects as vital for economic development. Provincial and municipal authorities then would be required to expedite the decision-making process "faster and more efficiently."
Municipal and regional representatives were aghast that Victoria would give itself the power to over-ride local interests, but Falcon replied that the new statute would "reduce red tape and regulation and streamline processes for both government and business."
Really, who could argue, especially when the new statute cleared the way for much-needed investment? Except that, well, in the seven years since the act was proclaimed it never has been used. Not even once.
What was that again about "useless" red tape?
Red tape promises
"Ready, Fire, Aim" was a slogan popularized by Tom Peters and Robert H. Waterman in their seminal 1982 business tome In Search of Excellence. That exhortation called on corporations to avoid bureaucratic paralysis by showing a "bias to action" -- in other words: act first, think later.
That dictum might explain how the promise to "Reduce the 'red tape' and regulatory burden on businesses by one-third within our first three years," made its way in the 2001 'New Era' election platform (see p. 10 here) of Gordon Campbell and his BC Liberals.
Were one-third of B.C.'s regulations superfluous? How many regulations did the province have, anyway? No one knew, but the pledge had been made and so Kevin Falcon -- the newly minted deregulation minister -- was charged in the summer of 2001 with doing something, anything, to make it look like it was being kept.
By the spring of 2002 he was ready, introducing -- how's this for irony? -- not one but two Deregulation Statutes Amendment Acts to rid the province of unnecessary red tape.
Business men and women across the province no doubt raised a glass to toast Falcon's determination and vigor as he eliminated such hindrances to investment as the Dogwood, Rhododendron and Trillium Protection Act, the Premier's Advisory Council for Persons with Disabilities Act, and unproclaimed sections of the Motor Vehicle Act.
But the task looked daunting for, according to Falcon, his first deregulation act (Bill 8) removed "over 600 unnecessary or outmoded requirements," while the second (Bill 35) repealed "nearly 250" regulations (see here and here.)
Together, that meant only about 850 regulations had been rescinded. It was a start, but as Falcon explained, "at least 135,000" had to be removed to meet the 'New Era' target of a one-third reduction. After counting them all, he put the total number of B.C. regulations at "almost 404,000."
A year later, in May 2003, Falcon announced -- without a scintilla of proof -- that the number of unnecessary regulations he had whacked now stood at "over 60,000." This reduction was as if by magic, as he did not (and never did again) introduce any new Deregulation Statutes Amendment Acts.
By the fall of 2003, on his constituency website, the Surrey-Cloverdale MLA revealed that the actual number of regulations before he began to cut was 382,139 -- or nearly 22,000 fewer than the "almost 404,000" he had counted in 2002.
Still, a one-third reduction of that new total meant that nearly 127,000 regulations had to go.
Fortunately, the deregulation minister continued to report progress, as he did in Feb. 2004: "We're already two-thirds of the way to achieving our one-third reduction," he boasted in the legislature. The new, improved total of eliminated regulations was "over 90,000."
And a year after that, in Feb. 2005, Falcon rose in the house to claim that the Campbell government had more than met their election commitment, because, "We actually exceeded that, a 38 per cent reduction -- 150,000 unnecessary regulations gone..."
So, in just over three years, Falcon and the BC Liberals said they had abolished, first, 850 unnecessary regulations; next, over 60,000; then over 90,000, and finally, 150,000.
(In Nov. 2008, Falcon's successor as deregulation minister, Rick Thorpe told the legislature that the government had cut"“red tape by 42.8 per cent, or 164,000 regulations." In Jan. 2011, Finance Minister Colin Hansen issued a news release that claimed regulations had been cut by 42 per cent, down from 360,000 to a precise 206,345. That adds up to a reduction of 153,655.)
Interestingly, as recently as Jan. 18, 2011, Falcon's leadership campaign issued a news release stating that while he had cut regulations by a whopping 40 per cent, the total rescinded was just "25,000 useless regulations."
In 2005, then, Falcon claimed to have killed 150,000 regulations; now it's one-sixth that number.
For the BC Liberals, unnecessary regulations are a moveable target -- even after they claimed to have hit it.
Big war chest
In Jan. 2004, following the BC Rail-legislative raid-inspired resignation of Judith Reid, Falcon was elevated to minister of transportation, and in June 2009 he moved to head the giant health portfolio.
He resigned the latter post in Nov. 2010 to seek the BC Liberal party leadership, and quickly announced that a Falcon-led government would cut the much-hated Harmonized Sales Tax from 12 per cent to 10. The annual cost to the provincial treasury would be more than $1.2 billion annually.
Would the government have to increase other taxes, or cut un-named services, to make up the difference? Falcon didn't say.
No matter. Falcon to date has received endorsements from 16 of his caucus colleagues, including five from Surrey and the Fraser Valley, three from northern B.C. and one from the Okanagan. He is poised to do very well on Feb. 26, especially with voters in suburban Vancouver and regions outside the Lower Mainland.
But Falcon also may be expected to do very well amongst right-of-centre Liberals in Greater Vancouver, and especially those in the business community. As illustrated in a series of news releases issued (see here and here) in January and February, that support means that he has one of the best-financed leadership campaigns ever seen in B.C.
British Columbia's business leaders, it seems, like a right-wing politician who espouses small-government rhetoric, even one who single-handedly heaped billions of dollars in debt onto the province's books.
The Tyee puts the odds of a Falcon victory at 3-1. ![]()





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BDD63
1 year ago
PROMISES
http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson73.html
jacksonupnorth
1 year ago
Gordon Campbell Jr.
No kidding business backs him. He is Gordon Campbell all over again. If this Province wants any kind of a change for the better we need to vote in anyone but Kevin Falcon.
jim1966
1 year ago
No Way
No way and no how am I voting for this guy. I agree with jasksonupnorth that Kevin Falcon is yet another younger version of Gordon Campbell. This politician wants more of the same and I as a voter do not. Nor do I think do the honest hard working people of BC.
sunshine coast girl
1 year ago
This guy will give us more of the same old that hasn't worked
for the past ten years, and forgive my ignorance, but it is my belief that "pay as you go" means you pay for it as you use it and then it belongs to you. The Lieberals version of "pay as you go" involves building the asset, charging us to use it and leasing, giving or selling it for pennies on the dollar to their big business buddies. I want to go back to the "old NDP" days where our assets are being traded off for a one-time payment that is used to "semi-balance" the budget.
sunshine coast girl
1 year ago
oops, that should say
I want to go back to the "old NDP" days where our assets remain ours and ARE NOT being traded off for a one-time payment that is used to "semi-balance" the budget.
longtallsally
1 year ago
No, thank you.
I feel like Oliver, saying "please sir, can I have some more" of that horrible gruel. No thank you, Kevin Falconer. You are nothing more than a wanna be Gordon Campbell clone, and if you get elected, it will be one more foot in the grave for the Liberal party. You have done enough damage. Christy Clarke's people keep phoning me for support - I keep telling them that she is the best of a very bad bunch, which is really pretty faint praise. The only reason I would even consider supporting her is because she wasn't IN this debacle of a government, and the NDP have shot themselves so thoroughly in the foot.
gsarahs
1 year ago
Falcon, Clark,... what a choice!!
If all of the ideas coming from Kevin Falcon are as lame and unworkable as the concept of merit pay for teachers, we are in deep doo doo. Then there is the concept of user pay for such things such as bridges. Why should the elderly pay for schools? Why should the healthy young pay for healthcare when they aren't sick? Because Health and Education are a societal cost, just like the transportation network. Why should the rich on the North Shore have free crossing of their bridges, while those crossing the Fraser in 2 spots will be paying tolls? These are societal costs that should be covered by society at large. Did Translink hit us over the head in regards to the funding of the Canada Line? Yet now the whole question of the Evergreen Line seems to be in perpetual financial limbo. Yet we keep on being fed the line that the BC Unliberals are great financial managers, while the NDP are evil socialists that will squander our money. What a joke? Only in BC!
jimmy_laroux
1 year ago
Excellent article
... as always.
Then I suppose the support for his candidacy from restaurant chains and hotels is unsurprising.
Fantastic! This is a huge issue that is not addressed nearly enough. It's the modern "contingent liabilities".
JR
1 year ago
Speaks out of both sides.
Falcon has been mentored well by his leader Campbull He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Nothing good will come of he gets to be Premier.
Terrys_Hot
1 year ago
Enough
I have had enough of the Fiberal party too last me a life time they are noted for one thing and one thing only LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES who can believe Gordo and this new wantabe only a younger (Falconer) Gordon Campbell we have endured enough Fiberals in the last 10 plus years. The Gordo legacy selling of BC Rail oops I mean leasing of BC Rail and all the americans that run our so called crown corps. And now enough is just that enough of the Lying Liberas
For a better world
1 year ago
Another Factual Presentation
Will McMartin you continue to excel at presenting honest and factual information. Unfortunately, the financial interests of the current business cabal continue to impede mainstream media from providing these same truths.
It is extremely offensive that huge debt liabilities are hidden as "Contingencies and Contractual Obligations". If the NDP had attempted such a mass deceit, the same business cabal would demand that the NDP leaders be drawn and quartered.....and they would get excessive media coverage.
Steelhead
1 year ago
Why oh why
Why oh why do Canadian voters keep electing people to government who openly espouse their dislike of the institution and do everything within their power to dismantle it when they assume power? Why would anyone support a deregulation zealot like Falcon when there isn't a single successful example of deregulation that benefits the majority of the electorate? Let Falcon fly to the poster state of deregulation, Somalia, where he can be free of all those cumbersome and unnecessary regulatory constraints imposed by unenlightened first world governments, a place so free that anyone can openly pack around an unlicensed automatic weapon. I'll pay for his ticket.
Christy Fan
1 year ago
Kevin Falcon...
Poor guy. He's a jock with glasses. [OFFENSIVE COMMENT REMOVED HERE...] Great mountain biker. [AND SEXIST COMMENT REMOVED HERE. -MODERATOR.]
He's SO my 2nd choice. If we're gonna lose, then let's lose to this man of men, this great action hero who will at least make the BCNDP suffer greatly for each and every riding...
At least Christy can turn down the rock n roll so we can slink into government while your interim leader likes bullying Jenny Kwan: http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/005811.html
Jerry Munro
1 year ago
X My Vote...
The choices are... the Devil or the Deep Blue Sea Parties. Or.... or simply walking away from the bullshit and beginning the hard work of building more serious democratic economic and political alternatives.
X There. I've cast my vote (Happy Frank? :-)... for the third way. At this point in time, worth at least as much as the other two; The Devil Party is just plain evil, where The Deep Blue Sea Party is to opt for drowning in their Sea of Indecisivenes over simply being hit over the head, mugged and robbed outright.
Frank
1 year ago
Christy fan
hey josef, won't
http://www.marypolak.com/
get jealous that you've dumped her for Christy?
and that you're now ogling cheerleaders?
BDD63
1 year ago
Christy Fan
That post makes no sense whatsoever. Well done! The Liberals couldn't buy a more suitable cheerleader, busty or otherwise.
RickW
1 year ago
All the BC Liberal Candidates.....
....are suddenly promising to reinstate funding from lotto revenues!
HAHAHAHAHA.......
Mikemah
1 year ago
leadership ?
Campbell clone. Period . Oh he will lie and try to distance himself from Campbell but you would have to be a complete moron to believe that he is different. Money money money money money.
Christy Fan
1 year ago
I think you guys need to worry about your jerk for leader...
Seriously. Since you have cheerleading not for free-market policies... or for a buff, geeky action hero... but to kick out Jenny Kwan: http://t.co/eZfoFMu
Thank you, Sean Holman. You are the greatest Victoria journalist of our time. Just totally awesome! Kevin Falcon has to run ads on PublicEyeOnline.com in order to juxtapose w/ Sean's gritty reporting... and hasn't taken the Sean Test yet.
Oh and BTW, the greatest "Government Relations Operative" of all time... just might be on Voice of BC tonight...
freebear
1 year ago
Business backs him,
into a corner and tells him to bend over!
greengreen
1 year ago
The abc's of Falcon
A for arrogant
B for bully
C for callous
D for dangerous
E for ego-infested
Carry on folks.....
Christy Fan
1 year ago
Kevin Falcon a bully...
That's news. Like "News of the World" news.
He could turn Christy Clark into fur, eyes and whiskers but is man enough not to stoop to Rob Ford/George Abbott levels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zS8wssSIwI
Christy Fan
1 year ago
Moderator
I apologize, didn't mean to break the rules, just wanted to be jocular about a jocular geek who wants to be Premier.
G West
1 year ago
Christy Fan
You give me hope: Liberals have always been just a hair away from destroying their own vile coalition.
I just hope your special lady and Falcon and Abbott continue to fire their noxious shots at each other...bodes well for the province as British Columbians get to know these turkeys better and realize that any government led by any one of them would just mean more of the same.
Something we're all pretty damn sick of.
Keep shoutin' - it makes your whole gang look 'great'.
Christy Fan
1 year ago
G West
Keep trying... we all know the BCNDP have... wait for it...
NO POLICY. NO PLAN. NO ALTERNATIVES.
Just vitrol.
I could say Enuf Said but instead I will let one of my special ladies - not Christy Clark - clear the air after Bill Good gives a good performance as center: http://youtu.be/tHm71J7CftY
realisticman
1 year ago
Interesting
A link above leads us to learning that;
Dawn Black, " people should be cognizant that that’s one of the reasons we have some criteria within the NDP around social media and the leadership candidates now” – a reference to a screening process that requires those candidates to hand over the passwords and usernames of their social media accounts so the party can review them. "
I wonder if the Big Brothers and Sisters want to see all the old love letters too.
Frank
1 year ago
Interesting
http://www.vancouversun.com/Pete+McMartin+liberal+interpretation+party+membership/4254855/story.html
I knew the Liberal methods were bad but geez
realisticman
1 year ago
Don't Axe that Tax!
Interesting!
A letter from Gregor Robertson and a few other mayors has just gone out to all the candidates, praising the Liberals Carbon Tax:
" . We have adjusted to Provincial policies concerning the Carbon Tax and carbon accounting and we believe these are sound policies that will make our communities better and more resilient places to live.
Implementing the carbon tax and taking a leadership role in the Western Climate Initiative have been important steps and now is the time to build on that foundation. ..Please make this crucial issue part of your platform. "
They also want to get involved, at the provincial level, to maintain this Liberal government initiative that they think is just wonderful:
"..Any of the signatories would also be pleased to assist in any manner that builds off the collaborative spirit that currently exists between the province and local government in order to ensure the province’s past leadership on climate change continues.
Sincerely,
Mayor Dean Fortin Victoria
Mayor Gregor Robertson Vancouver ...etc."
Are any NDP candidates still promising to Axe the Tax, or has that one died off just like that other thingy? If they are promising to Axe the Tax they will have the Vancouver Vision Team and Victoria, and a few other City Halls against them.
This has got to be a major boost for Liberals in that it is a ringing endorsement past Liberal policy that is sure to resonate with the green/environment voter.
RickW
1 year ago
Are any NDP candidates still promising to Axe the Tax
They would be "wise" to take a leaf from the Liberal playbook and just ax the tax when they assume power - with no trumpeting beforehand.
Frank
1 year ago
r'man is desperate
Hey r'man, we had that discussion back in 2009 remember?
After the election CJ and the NDP reversed themselves on the carbon tax.
As for Gregor, his support of carbon taxes is even older news.
Strange that a guy that refuses to talk about BC Rail thinks a 2 year old minor news story is a game changer.
If your post was caught in a time warp and is only appearing now I'll understand.
Otherwise I agree with RickW,
Jerry Munro
1 year ago
About Bending Over...
"Business backs him,
into a corner and tells him to bend over!" freebear
Ooooo, good one freebear. :-)
And there beside The Falcon, the Bird of Prey, in the daisy chain will be, the leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition with his/her drawers down, and his/her best "business friendly" smile on.
I mean, ya gotta love "Business". They never get enough.
Frank
1 year ago
coyote
I notice you relate everything to sex. There are other websites for that sort of thing.
I think what we need around here now is some fart jokes to raise the bar a bit.
Jerry Munro
1 year ago
Parfume de Politique...
"I think what we need around here now is some fart jokes to raise the bar a bit." Frank.
As much as I do enjoy sex humour, a good fart joke comes in a close second. I never have claimed to be high class, Frank. Au contraire. I am uneducated and very "inappropriate" for polite society, no doubt. :-)
Goodness knows, in these NDP-Liberal party discussion threads, the air does get a little thick with both of their ritual gas letting from time to time.
realisticman
1 year ago
Frank
Yes, of course. You wrote this in 2009;
" That ship has already sailed. Pro-carbon tax people damned the NDP during an election campaign. "
It's still there on the NDP web site though.
"New Democrat - Official Opposition THE TEAM |
James Launches Campaign to Axe the Gas Tax
News Release | Front Page
KELOWNA – New Democrat leader Carole James today launched a campaign to “Axe the Gas Tax” and called on Gordon Campbell to recall the legislature to implement real climate change solutions."
We know that politicians change their minds. So you expect them to drop the tax once elected. Does the green voter know this?
Frank
1 year ago
r'man
From June of 2009 :
"In a surprising and impressive political about-face, BC New Democratic Party leader Carole James withdrew her party's opposition to the BC carbon tax today - committing to improving the tax, rather than trying to undermine it.
James lost a close provincial election only last month, at least in part because an influential group of environmentalists condemned her party's position on the carbon tax and campaigned against her."
http://www.desmogblog.com/bc-ndp-leader-accepts-bc-carbon-tax-bravo-carole-james
Have fun reading that, let me know when you're up to speed in 2011.
Frank
1 year ago
r'man
By the way, you'll also note I've never agreed with CJ about reversing her position on the carbon tax in any forum since 2009.
I still think the carbon tax is a literally stupid idea.
realisticman
1 year ago
Frank
Do you have the impression that there are many more like you in the NDP that think the carbon tax is a literally stupid idea and will therefore reject Mayor Gregor Robertson's sincere exhortations to, "build off the collaborative spirit", and therefore reject the Vision machine's support.
Frank
1 year ago
r'man
Yes
G West
1 year ago
Nice
Game. Set. Match.
Bye R/man
realisticman
1 year ago
Ping Pong?
Garth, old sport, it wasn't a competition.
What is interesting is if indeed the NDP is going to ignore Mayor Dean Fortin of Victoria,
Mayor Gregor Robertson of Vancouver
Mayor Dan Rogers of Prince George
Mayor Richard Walton of North Vancouver, District of
Mayor Darrell Mussatto of North Vancouver, City of
Mayor Sharon Shepherd of Kelowna
Mayor Charlie Cornfield of Campbell River
Mayor Mike Bernier of Dawson Creek - and the Green vote as a whole.
Somehow, I doubt that this game is over.
Frank
1 year ago
r'man
I think that's wonderful that after dogged research that's the best you could do to attack the NDP.
Let's see how many people would be motivated to vote Liberal because Gregor and the NDP don't agree on everything, I'm going to bet less than 5 and I'm being generous.
Whereas the BC Rail deal has turned into a fiasco and after years of your side saying the trial would clear you the result was the opposite, people are more steamed now than ever because of the obvious corruption on display.
Christy Fan
1 year ago
realisticman
go get 'em!
RickW
1 year ago
R/M old man....
Frank
1 year ago
"Go get 'em"
hahahaha
ya, c'mon r'man, get us
start the chanting...
zalm
1 year ago
Not to change the subject or anything...
...but Kevin Falcon was a raging success as Minister of Health, too. The three Lower Mainland regions are at each others' throats as they compete for leadership and capital dollars, and currently, Fraser Health is winning as middle managers are rationalized into other forms of organization.
Not that many, or perhaps any, will lose their jobs - the work still needs to get done somehow - but the disruption in workflow with out any organized plan should be grounds for a riot terminating at the executive suites of the Health Authorities, and then in Victoria at the Ledge itself.
Only Kevin, now ex-Minister Falcon to us gits, scooted out the side door after claiming to have "learned a lesson" about how vital and important our health system is when his father actually had to make use of it. Didn't he even say that he helped to take care of the family?
Yeah, I'll bet. There's a story about that too, someday as soon as I confirm the other side...
zalm
1 year ago
RickW
May I suggest? The Mayors of those communities have another resource in common, one that could be painlessly taxed to extinction.
Stupidity. It runs riot in the towns, raises its voice at council tables, and pollutes the living spaces of ordinary people trying hard to do a good deed for their neighbours.
Or am I too obscure for a Friday night?
G West
1 year ago
Oh Yeah?
It's ALWAYS about competition...and anyone who says it ain't just hasn't been paying attention.
The sad part is it doesn't HAVE to be only about competition.
And that's why Frank nailed you - once again.
realisticman
1 year ago
We shall see.
Westie, we shall be very surprised if the NDP canidates completely ignore the entreaties of the mayors of the largest cities in this province, as well as the not unsubstantial 'green' vote by describing it as Frank does, as "a literally stupid idea".
Maybe you and Frank are right though.
Bob Watts
1 year ago
Reverse Mortagage!
Of course business loves him. Big tax cuts, lots of spending, an orgy using the common mans credit card, yeah!
The NDP wasted $400 million on Fast Cats.
Lets see tax and spend? or
Tax cuts and Borrow.
If I took out a loan, putting it in my 5 year old's name, is that child abuse???
Child poverty today and your future mortgaged. Sounds like a conservative plan to me.
PS: Those new jail cells for the kids none future is a nice touch.
RickW
1 year ago
zalm
If the mayors put a tax on stupidity, they'd have to tax themselves and the entire provincial government. So, although it would bring in a "bountiful harvest", it would be damn difficult to collect. Much easier to just raise the mill rate............
freebear
1 year ago
Gordo 2.0
Same old bullying politics!
What will rural Liberals do?