Part Two of Seek the Deep Change we Need!

Despite, IMO, the dictatorial and arrogant excesses/incompetencies of the BC Liberals, there is not a political party in existence that does not prefer the continuance of the Windows 3.1 institutional design - so that they and their supporters can also benefit if and when said party gets elected. That is the dysfunction, the HST is but one of so many symptoms of dysfunction of this low level colonial democracy imposed on this Province by the British in the 1800's.

IMO, a new political party is needed, to campaign on one central question: "Do you the electorate support the election by proportional representation of a constitutional constituent assembly empowered to design and propose a modern, made in British Columbia constitution requiring ratification by the electorate before being proclaimed into law?" Otherwise, given the operating system, the dysfunctionality will continue ad nauseaum -under the BC Libeals or another party.

Do we not deserve better, do we not as a people deserve to design new rules by which we wish to govern ourselves, do we not deserve to enshrine more equitable, collaborative, inclusive, power sharing & balancing arrangements into a modern governance design, surely, after so many years of dysfunctional polarized governance are we not up to the collective task to become authors of our own history rather than merely pawns. I want to know what you think, are you happy with the rules by which we govern ourselves or are you willing to go for a significant upgrade to the operating system, what are your thoughts on the question. Twitter me at JusticeNow_2288 Thank you, and while I expect that many will disagree with my comments my hope that we will rise to debate this article and the ideas that folloq in a respectful fashion without ad hominium attacks.

Recall

In order for recall to be effective I figure that we should target 15 BC Liberal MLAs all at once. Bill Vander Zalm's idea of one or two at a time will just be ignored by Campbell & Co. With 15 MLAs facing potential recall, the pressure on Campbell's resolve will be truly tested.

And if Blair Leckstrom hasn't vacated his seat to run federally, I'd make him one of the 15. He is still a card carrying member of the BC Liberal Party which in my books makes him about as much an independent as Osama Bin Laden is a Roman Catholic.

With this much anger.....

Recall is a for sure thing.

Donna Barnett and Don Mcrae are toast....Pat Pimm is toast..

And what about George Abbot...Can you say "Tar and Feathered"!

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2010/06/george-abbot-gets-tarred-and-feathered.html

People deserve to design new rules

Good words Peter!
It is time to discard the current system, and BC would be a good place to start. We can not only design our own method of governing in a fair and sustainable way, we can also shut private banks out of the money creation process by instituting a BC currency to facilitate in-province trade and simultaneously get people working at valuable jobs for good wages and clean up the province's public infrastructure, healthcare, education, public transportation...
There is no reason for cutbacks on services and public funding, there is no reason for additional taxes. There is every reason to provide no-cost money to the people of BC to allow them to creatively design ways to be productive members of an equitable society.
If the country won't do it, BC could be the first to introduce a guaranteed annual income and end poverty in this province. We could have the healthiest, best educated, most humane population on earth in no time at all - we need creative, caring representatives in a cooperative government to get there.

Vander Zalm's idea of

Vander Zalm's idea of recalling 1 or 2 MLAs at a time is silly.

It would mean most people wouldn't even be aware that there was a recall campaign going on in their riding since on the radio, tv and in the major newspapers local issues are not going to be covered.

To get people's attention start campaigns in every riding where the Liberal MLA is vulnerable. That will get coverage from the provincial media and people will at least know its going on.

Recall and One Day General Strike

A one day general strike, tied to a recall of ten or so Gordon Campbell minions (MLA's) would provide the energy and time to launch the recall campaign. A great idea, one which would bring a much needed dose democracy back to BC.

August 11, 2010 works for me Bill. Let us know when we can start working.

Good Ideas Above

What we need to do first of all is remove this government! We know what the so called "LIbERalS" and Cons stand for. They stand for a centralized government controlled by the Central Banks and Big Business. Once the government is removed we, the people of BC, can hold our own plebiscite and determine our own future. I have long held views that BC needs to separate from Canada and form our own country. Surely we can run our province/country much more equitably and efficiently than a centralized government based in Eastern Canada controlled by megalomaniacs and narcissistic egomaniacs.

fantasyland

The joke in all this is that a successful recall campaign that yanks enough Liberal MLAs to defeat the government will do nothing to get rid of the HST. And the new government that replaces the Liberals after the successful recall initiative -- assume its the NDP --will also do nothing to rescind the HST. It is written in stone, because the cost of undoing it will be astronomically high -- far beyond just giving the feds back their $1.6 billion.

The Zalm and his zealots know all this; which kinda raises the question -- why didn't they just skip the HST fight and go directly to recall?

Which kinda

History

blackie, perhaps is ignorant of the fact that the HST was instituted in Saskatchewan in 1989 and subsequently dumped by a new government in that province.

There is no reason NOT to dump the damn thing and you can be relatively certain that a new government formed after recall elections (remember we have fixed election dates in BC now) would be morally committed to dump the tax which, mutatis mutandis, will have been responsible for their accession to power.

7 recall campaigns simultaneously..

Is what we need to do. Focus the resources and volunteers. Get the job done within 30 days. That's two days more than election campaigns. And we have the means to pull it off.

That's what I intend to work towards.

Why????

Why do BC Liberals ignore the will of the people?
I don't get it!
We send our troops to die in other lands, to share our Democracy. Sent the troops to Victoria!
If you order a cheese burger, and they won't give you cheese, well as a business, that will be your last sale.
NOW HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE THE BC LIBERALS GO OUT OF BUSINESS???

recall

Campbell and Hansen should be the FIRST to be recalled. Let the people do what the Liberal party wont do and remove Campbell for a leadership position.

hang in there

Campbell has convinced his puppets to hang in there and ride out this storm. And hang in there they will, right to the bitter end of their political career after enduring a recall campaign along the way.

Independents will not serve their masters. Get rid of political parties now.

Why do they ignore us?

Because we let them. Pure and simple. We let them get away with it, and then we vote them in...over and over again. They have learned the lesson we taught them, that all they need listen to are their corporate masters. The true masters of government punish quickly and harshly. Don't do as we ask and we withdraw financial support.

And even a dying government must make sure that owed favours are paid before they get turfed. This guarantees future funding for the party, and a cushy payoff job for the politicians themselves.

What is interesting is why the media rarely call aspade a spade. All the pretty intellectual rationalisations about why and how things happen. When it simply comes down to greed, power and money, oh sorry that's greed again.

Endgame For The BC Liberals Is Now In Sight

Recall is the will of the people and it is our right. The BC Liberals simply just cannot be trusted. I agree with Ernest Black that they do all of this in the first place because they go unaccountable and we let them. For now I think those days are over. People are paying attention and Campbell knows it. Arrogance, Greed and Lying is not what British Columbia or Canada is all about and having these people in office is repulsive.

Liberals plus HST

How about looking at:

Breach of contract, conflict of interest, lieing, misrepresenting the taxpayer, fraud, recall, stupidity, arrogance, contempt, lack of experience, avoidance of truth, coverup, and on and on.

What Vanderzalm and Delaney need to do with the NDP is too have the people of BC get off their ass and hit the streets and make noise.

This is the only leagl way to get the attention of every BC'eer and every Canadian to make change for us for a change.

Out of this aftermath have an election and every body get out and vote 100% vote. (only 37% of Canadian vote)

This will avoid another mess.

Flashback

During the late 1990's, the NDP government was behind in the polls by 57% to 17% - a whopping 40% margin.

Along comes Kevin Falcon and his "Total Recall" campaign in order to dump the then perceived arrogant and out of touch government. That "Total Recall" campaign didn't get anywhere. No petitions were even handed into Elections BC.

Recall campaigns require 40% of registered voters to sign within a 60-day period.

The Initiative campaign required 10% of registered voters to sign within a longer 90-day period. People of all political stripes have signed the Initiative campaign.

Yet only 4 ridings have exceeded the 40% threshold in the initiative campaign over the longer 90-day period- most just barely over 40%.

Based upon the Delta South recall campaign, 25% of signatures were rejected. In other words, at least 50% plus signatures must be collected in each riding up for recall.

Is it doable? Sure. Is it realistically doable? I dunno.

Matt T.

The recall campaigns in the 90's were fueled more by media enhanced spin than anything real. The issues were fuzzy at best; sometimes it was a deck, sometimes it was a budget, sometimes it was just anger that the NDP had done done enough for this group or that. Most angry were the business community.

This one could succeed because the hatred is so visceral that even a liberal media has not been able to counter the tide. This hatred crosses party lines unlike any other.

The other factor is that the there was little door-to-door
collecting of signatures for the Fight HST campaign and they still got the signatures. A recall campaign in seven selected has a better chance and with door to door work it will succeed. Then the whole issue (or should I say verdict on Campbell) can be decided on the campaign trail.

BY doing a recall on a

BY doing a recall on a couple of those fairly useless Liberal MLAs it should convince a few others to jump ship before they get pushed

A social media network would help

Something the Citizen's Initiative didn't have was a social media network. What is needed is a network of people dedicated to the success of any and all recall campaigns in BC using instant (but moderated) blog updates from their homes, work, and mobile phones, with corresponding Twitter and Facebook page updates so that people can find out where to sign the petition on any given day, at any time, and in any riding where a recall campaign has been launched by FightHST... oh look...

Coming July 1st...

www.recallinthefall.net

re Cull as many as possible

I'm in the Nanaimo/Ladysmith area and really don't pay much attention to local politics (most of it disgusts me) I'm guessing that we may be represented by an NDP MLA because I have seen no Recall Petitions.
I say recall the whole bunch and only run new candidates who drive trucks or build houses or teach children
IN THE LOCAL AREA
Get rid of the lawyers and real estate agents

Campbell needs to be recalled

As a recalled and publicly disgraced politician his career of feeding from the public trough would (except for his pension) end. No Senate seat, no Lt.Governorship, and no chance with the feds.Patti Bacchus could defeat Campbell in a recall election in his riding. Go Patti Go.

Somebody asked why do they ignore the people.

The disaster that awaits them if they don't get all this extra cash will make the Campbell liberals a pariah for years to come. Thus opening the way for another right-of-center party. If they do keep ignoring us they think they still have a shot at it, maybe with a new leader, but still a shot. I think it is as simple as that. There is one problem with their theory; the longer they fan the anger the less likely any of thew two options will work for them..

I have seen more liberal voters angry and I mean angry enough to vote for anyone but the liberals. It is deja vu.

blackie

No need to get rid of the HST. But it could be dropped from the 12%, to a single digit (say 7%).

And once recalled...

...I propose we have a number of them incarcerated for flagrant breach of public trust, and made to pay restitution for the damage they have done.

(One can dream, no??)

Wide Support

Real chance of losing power is Campbell's worst fear.
BClibs have 48 seats; a loss of 6 means minority, 7 or more will kill the BClibs.
Simultaneous recall efforts in 18 districts where eager volunteers are ready with lists of known supporters will get noticed by residents and media. Earlier recall drives failed because they were invisible.
This time the odds are better, but not by much.
Success in 6-9 of the 18 ridings is possible. The only way to meet the goal of 45% of registered voters is to attract voters from all parties. Volunteers from the left and right co-operating to reach a goal will appeal to wide base and if this results in mutual respect for each other, all of us win.

RickW Re 7%

The true issue is the Liberals have given the option of "reducing" the H.S.T. to the Feds, that are elected well before B.C.'s votes are even counted. So it ain't gonna happen.
The transfer of power and control to a government, bought and payed for, by the "Bankers of Bay Street" is where the problems begin. Control of Our Provincial Resources are being sold as we pay homage to those politicians, federal, and provincial, who facilitate our "RAPE".

Is Teileman and The NDP Using Vander Zalm?

Teileman acts and talks like he is just a front for the NDP. He might have duped Vander Zalm (lets face it Zalm is not the sharpest tool in the shed) into getting the anti HST campaign to a level the NDP would only dream of if they were to sponsor it themselves.

The plan probably was to support the anti HST effort as if it was sponsored by the NDP (using workers, lists and NDP organization) but using Vander Zalm as the poster boy. Brilliant!!

The fact the government couldn't handle this thing any worse added to the success of the campaign.

Now Teileman seems to be trying to get the Zalm salivating over recalling the government and VZ seems to be buying it hook, line and sinker. If he does the NDP will be working 24/7 in the background with Vander Zalm probably unknowingly leading the NDP charge. Haha.

The only reason Vander Zalm is an eager participant in this is his ego in seeing the media call him and chase him around for interviews and opinions. This will end once the HST comes in unless he starts talking recall.

Who cares

Who cares who took the bull by the horns and led the charge against the HST. It seems to me that those that are so pro-BC Liberal or anti-BC NDP are incapable of the discussing the HST without character assassination. I guess it's not surprising, as that is pretty much how Gordo & Co. have operated throughout their tenure.

It's time for people to park their polarized political rhetoric and actually start paying attention to what has transpired over the last many years.