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Thank you Moderator...

I missed it.

That said, since I insist others comply w/ the rules I won't repost some of the stuff Alex T. has said about Bill. Figured I went far enough...

Christy Fan

You insist OTHERS comply with the rules?
You've got to be kidding.

G West

I expect all of us to comply.

Then stop posting links to your youtube collection

And stop pretending that politics is nothing more than cheerleading.

I DON'T expect you to comply.

G West...

Buddy let's not insult each other. That's what I meant.

This is recommended viewing: http://t.co/J7ezZWb - All Debate Is Good Debate.

Sigh

Insulting?

True, but sometimes I'm clever about it, and I bet, once in a while, someone laughs.

But of course, you're right - there must be better ways to remind Christy fan that reality has rules too. There's opinion... and there's flights of fancy. And once I'd picked my jaw up out of my lap, I guffawed until the tears ran from my eyes at the nonsense I read in the all-important first comment that generally sets the tone for the discourse to follow.

The Outsiders

So far from what I read hear, the NDP doesn't have much ammunition to launch against the Liberals.

An over the budget convention centre vs. fast cat ferries. Well, these complex buildings always run over budget, but at least we got a running and useful convention centre. The fast cat ferries upset voters because they were useless from day one and seen as jobs for the union boys. Then, BC Ferry's commissioning of new boats overseas is seen as a good move by all of the non-unionized workers and BC taxpayers. It's just the gov't looking out for the best deal rather than supporting a losing BC shipping business with overpaid, union workers.

Don't forget that Dix is seen as the public union's boy- a bad perception these days. Don't forget that there are alot of non-union workers out there. What's Dix going to do for them besides destroying their employers and driving them out of the province?

Oh, and remember that if Dix does a Glen Clark sequel the economy and (non-union) job market will tank thus taking down the Vancouver real estate market. Does Dix or any of you care? Or will all those latent NDP votes materialize and force out the rest of the public?

And forget about bringing up BC Rail; your conspiracy theories are only unproven allegations and hearsay. Dix's obstruction of justice and forged memos are completely real. It's simply suicide for Dix to bring up leadership ethics.

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As they said with an old US election, "it's the economy, stupid".... not social welfare that wins elections.

G West...

So nice of you to cry victim over Carole James. In fact, she was called out by BCLib Forces for blatant lies and no vision (SOURCES: http://youtu.be/jjPcMB7oVyY, http://www.bcliberals.com/for_mailer/the_real_story__carole_james_ignores_fraser_valley_commuters, http://www.bcliberals.com/news/the_real_story/the_real_story_on..._the_ndp_ads, http://www.bcliberals.com/news/the_real_story/the_real_story_on...the_ndp_s_economic_record ).

Oh and BTW, I'm going to ask this question in the interest of fairness... I doubt seriously the Dix memo matters for much unless you guys still cry a river over BCRail... but in what words do BCNDPers like you describe why you lost in 2001? Seriously, what words? Try to use big ones.

Thanks.

if you're serious Joe, kindly stop posting bc liberal garbage

Why?

Very simple. The bought and paid for press - the same people who politically assassinated Glen Clark over nothing. That and, of course, the simple truth that governments, like fish, go stale after a while - we've got the strong smell of Liberal death here in Victoria every day now.

Simple explanation though - LIES, Liberal lies - BTW, Dix was not even an MLA until 2004 - perhaps you've forgotten.

By the way, I'd like YOU to explain why YOUR government paid the legal fees of Dave Basi and Robert Virk despite the fact that they had an indemnity agreement and registered mortgage against their property which would have covered some of the costs which had been paid for their defence.

For a gang who propose to sell themselves as money managers giving up the value represented in real estate worth several hundreds of thousands of dollars seems kind of stupid to me....unless, of course, as seems much more likely to me, the pay off also served another purpose: Covering the tracks behind the deal which resulted from just one of many broken Campbell promises.

I won't use any big words though Joe, I've heard you on CKNW and I know the limited extent of your vocabulary.

Cheers.

Oh, and while you're at it, maybe you could explain how Carole James did ALL THE GAINING during the last election campaign while Campbell did nothing but lose ground - despite his fawning friends in the press...

And, don't pretend to be serious - you're nothing but a youtuber with too much time on his hands.

Well I wonder...

if the comments will be closed after some NDPer swoops on in so I can't respond?

You clearly can't read

Clark's career as premier was ended by Gordon Campbell's sleaze campaign - you clearly haven't been paying attention my friend.

I wouldn't even waste my time trying to debate you - you've got nothing in your corner but a youtube habit and a weakness for a certain kind of woman.

Someone like Mary Polak, Christina Clark or your newest squeeze.... Aline

Thanks for the laughs!

Bobby - you've entirely missed the point - again

Basi and Virk signed an indemnity agreement and had a mortgage in favour of the crown placed on their real property; the policy (the same one that paid Glen Clark's legal bills when he was acquitted) required that to be done in order for the crown to pay the bills from their lawyers. And the agreement specified that if they were NOT FOUND INNOCENT that the property would be surrendered in at least partial payment of the aggregate legal debt accumulated.

In fact, Basi's wife also signed the deal because she had an interest in the property as well.

You can pretend that it was good management to fail to collect some of that debt for the province but no one but you and a couple of members of Christina Clark's caucus will believe you.

As for not confessing - surely you jest - the man clearly thought he was doing something, anything, to try and counter the cheap and tawdry bullshit campaign that Campbell started when he lost the 96 election to Clark.

Campbell couldn't stand to lose - and he'd do anything to win - as an adult he was the same competitive little twit he was when he played basketball in High School.

Backdating a memo to file is not a crime - he was never charged and never convicted - unlike Gordon Campbell.

Such personal invectives....

Gwest- you typify the problem with NDP followers: they dwell on using personal attacks against Campbell. It's like a cult trying to destroy a demon. If there are more charges to be made or a criminal offense in what you just wrote concerning BC Rail then where are they? If Christy Clark is a co-conspirator then where is the evidence? You are just speculating.

Gwest- backdating is memo is a crime if, like Dix, he presents it to the RCMP as evidence. He's not only lying to law enforcement, but he is doing so to obstruct justice. Big problem even if he owns up to it as it speaks loudly about Dix's character flaws.

Gwest- a guy with Dix's moral flaws is not only dangerous to big business, but to supporters like you. Can you afford the risk of him being premier?

Now you are being funny!

You're talking about 'personal attacks'?

Where the hell have you been?

Dix isn't dangerous - people who can't admit when they're lying are dangerous - and that doesn't apply to DIX - it applies to BCLIBERALS in spades and has ever since the moral non-entity that is Gordon Campbell left civic politics.

In this province you're not guilty of a crime unless you've been convicted of it - MAKE A NOTE OF THAT...and then you'll have learned something.

G West... nice try.

It is you who cannot read. Campbell won... If somebody "out-campaigned Campbell 3 to 1" they wouldn't have a disaster of an Earth Day event or be blasted for hypocrisy on personal attacks or be stuck mainly kissing up to the base.

Furthermore, G West, "Gordon Campbell's sleaze campaign"? You have no proof of such. Just fantasy.

I really find you are just passionate partisan Dipper because you don't want to accept the BCNDP was a total failure and the voters said so. You should read "Barbarians in the Garden City" - the full story of the BCNDP record of corruption, sleaze and dirty deals making BCRail look as clean as clean can be - and it wasn't.

Get real

When the campaign started the NDP was between 10 and 14 percentage back of the Campbelloids. By election day they were less than 3 points behind. The first week of NDP campaign was messed up - but after that Carole James made the Campbell campaign look pathetic.

That's what the voters said.

I'll put the NDP record of solid achievement and economic performance up against the BC Liberals any time.

I don't read fiction - apart from the stuff you write here at Tyee.

Remember the NDP wasteland of 2001?

Gwest and many of the rabid NDP'ers easily forget the severe beating they took in 2001. They weren't just voted out, they were tarred and feathered into shame for what they did to BC. Glen Clark left in utter disgrace and left his party crippled.

Has the NDP learned anything from that beating? Clearly not. It insists on returning to failed left wing policies and most of all, selects a candidate who personifies past failure. And to top it off, they choose an ethically tainted leadership candidate. When will the NDP finally exorcise itself of its Solidarity union ghosts?

I can't wait for a debate where Dix starts braying about Liberal ethics and lies. Even on these boards, there's enough points to drive many ethical stakes into Dix's heart.

Geez

And I thought you were claiming to be balanced.

How's that working out for you?

The fact is, the stupid people of BC have only voted for good government 3 times since party politics came to BC - in those 13 years the NDP has done more good for the general population and the future of the province than in the other roughly 68 years combined.

That is the fact of the matter and I'll put the NDP record up against the total record of every other Socred/Liberal/Conservative government since 1930.

The right wing manages things pretty nicely for itself in this province - to the detriment of the population.

You guye don't know the meaning of ethics.

Re: Geeze

My eyes roll. The SoCreds brought in BC Ferries, the BCLibs saved them and revitalized the fleet after VanderZalm & Glean Clark neglect.

The BCLibs have encouraged resource development... the BCNDP oppose it.

The BCLibs dared to shift taxes onto carbon... the BCNDP opposed it in 2009.

The BCLibs dared to allow local jurisdictions to ask written question in the Legislature... the BCNDP?

The BCLibs set a cap of 4 years between elections - and it's only a cap not a strict & fast regulation. The BCNDP? They played games w/ the election date and stalled for time w/ Premier Dosanjh.

May I continue?

Liberals own Ferry Fiasco

Revitalized the Ferries are you kidding? Population expanding yet ridership down. Can't catch a so called regular sailing unless you pay 30% more for a reservation. Lets throw millions away for a drop trailer service(that is a dismal failure) not to mention was an effort to put private business out of business by subsidizing that effort with passenger car fees. Buy new German built Ferries that for the most part sit empty tied up to a dock. Revitalized what exactly?
The Liberals made sure that the Fast Cats failed. A company offered to repower all the engines for free if they could have a piece of the action on the fuel saving, this while under the care of the Liberals and they were told to get lost. It was a far more effective tool to tie them up for years in billboard fashion for propaganda purposes. The Liberals purposefully made them money losers to poison public perception. If anybody calls that good government they are daft.

A little straight talk

1. Campbell Liberals tried to destroy the teachers' union, the Health workers union and, in both cases, were subsequently held by the courts to have violated the constitution;

2. The refused to honour an arbitration agreement with Crown Counsel and were, on pain of a court action they couldn't have won, forced to renegotiate the agreement with Crown Counsel lawyers and give them all and more than would have been the case if they had honoured the binding arbitration agreement they ignored.

3.Tuition fees have increased by more than 100% since 2001.

4. The Carbon Tax - don't make me laugh - it isn't a carbon tax it's a money laundry - hasn't reduced CO2 production or fuel use by a single gram or milliliter.

5. I could go on too Joe - but frankly, you bore me - you're not worth the effort.

paisley

As to this, plz link to your sources - this is interesting:

"The Liberals made sure that the Fast Cats failed. A company offered to repower all the engines for free if they could have a piece of the action on the fuel saving, this while under the care of the Liberals and they were told to get lost. It was a far more effective tool to tie them up for years in billboard fashion for propaganda purposes. The Liberals purposefully made them money losers to poison public perception. If anybody calls that good government they are daft."

G West... if things were so bad...

But if things were so bad, so awful why is the business community so fearful of Adrian Dix?

If things were so bad, so awful then why did so many unions sign on to the net zero mandate this time around?

If things were so bad, why was Premier Campbell honoured for his carbon tax in Canada & the USA?

If things were so bad, why isn't the BCNDP planning for a supermajority come next writ drop? Just remember 73-2 in 2001... three majorities... business community happy and creating wealth and growing the economic pie, not carving it up... environmental community divided between leftists & moderates...

BTW, re Clark & Dix... this is for all of you

I don't care that much over the backdated memo, but Dix ought to spare us the ethics lecture in return. Sort of like that MCFD Critic who was a MCFD employee in the 1990s who did exactly ZERO on the autism file.

But I do care that Dix pushed the fast ferries onto Glen Clark, not more Spirit ferries that have been a smashing success. Had Glen Clark did the latter... history would be quite different.

I've been through all this before - final word to you Joe

I could go on too Joe - but frankly, you bore me - you're not worth the effort.

The Campbell years have provided the most dishonest, most corrupt, least compassionate and sensible government for the people who need good government at the same time that corporate kleptocrats have profited profanely from the privy purse.

They've also sold their bill of rotten goods to a stupid and ill-informed public with the largest paid newsroom in the province - the public affairs bureau.

The even seem to have convinced some relatively intelligent people to vote against their own self-interest.

What else is new? The stupid people get as many votes as the smart ones and the stupid people generlly yell louder.

@GWest...

I guess I have to say thanks for that link you provided, way upthread - since I don't read the Province or follow professional sports I would never have seen it otherwise. You are right, I have rarely seen anything so disgraceful in my entire political life...

But I have to say, Bill carrying on the sports analogy with Dix and Clark is equally offensive. Unlike in the NHL, the losers in this election won't get to play golf all summer. No, the losers will be those like me: the unemployed and underemployed and working poor and all those generally having a hard time just surviving. But hey, let's carry on and if those Canucks win, why, there will be pie in the sky when we die.

@VivianLea Doubt

I find your comment very low brow politics. Blasting the Premier for having some joy? Blasting the Premier for supporting the home team?

I just hope the Canucks win the Stanley oh and the BCLibs win a majority again while PMSH finally gets a majority so you & G West can scream how doomsday is near again...

@G West...

Substance, please?

Guess not.

No linkspeak to prove your allegations.

Nothing but just vile towards BCLibs for being free enterprise.

BTW, you didn't answer my questions.

VivianLea

I agree wholeheartedly with both your observations. The thing from the province is execrable and Tieleman's sporty bullshit is equally so - especially given the role it seems quite clear he played in the assassination of Carole James.

Joe, with respect, I DID RESPOND TO YOU.

However, since you won't be still, I'll repeat it for you with emphasis because it's all the answer you deserve:

I've been through all this before - final word to you Joe

I could go on too Joe - but frankly, you bore me - you're not worth the effort.

The Campbell years have provided the most dishonest, most corrupt, least compassionate and sensible government for the people who need good government at the same time that corporate kleptocrats have profited profanely from the privy purse.

They've also sold their bill of rotten goods to a stupid and ill-informed public with the largest paid newsroom in the province - the public affairs bureau.

They even seem to have convinced some relatively intelligent people to vote against their own self-interest.

What else is new? The stupid people get as many votes as the smart ones and the stupid people generally yell louder.

I don't have to prove what I've written, anyone with a lick of sense knows precisely how badly served we've been by Gordon Campbell, Christy Clark and the payola gang who support them - that's not free enterprise my friend - it's daylight robbery.

And BC has the accumulated debt and the sold out assets to prove it. The only ones smiling are the top 5% who can still afford to live here - unlike many people I know.

Okay G West

I'm not going to engage in a screamfest. I think TheTyee.ca has been rather patient with me as-is. Honestly.

If you just think a big swatch of BC is "stupid people", tnen you're going to be treated as "stupid people" at the polling booth. Again.

But finally... I think when the memoirs of MLAs from this period come out... it's going to be blatantly obvious Bill Tieleman is running the BCNDP the way he likes to. I have a strong hunch he's playing MLAs to his tune here. Something to think about as well... substance over style. Smarts over bluster. Or something like that.

Smarts seldom win over bluster

Substance almost never succeeds over style:

That's why we've had such bad governments in this province all but 13 years out of the last 81.

Stupid is as stupid does and the results are around for all to see: House prices too high for anyone but the top 4 - 5 % of people to buy; thousands of children living permanently in poverty; huge and mounting debt for students AND underfunded universities; health care in crisis and services for the disabled in tatters.

Something like that. Not much to be proud of for any but the stupid.

G West...

So besides BCNDP, what is smart?

Calling people stupid turns them off. Civility 101.

Let me put it this way: If I was a BCLib doorbeller and showed up at your door w/ a presumably BCNDP sign and the first words out of my mouth were, "Are you stupid? The BCLibs are the party of business and the economy" you'd kick my buttuski across the street!!!

I repeat, for the last time

I've been through all this before - final word to you Joe

I could go on too Joe - but frankly, you bore me - you're not worth the effort.

G West...

You say final word, but you don't comply w/ it.

You probably have other reasons why you're anti-BCLib as wel...

I'll just say this: There is a reason why TheTyee.ca cuts off comment threads at a point. They just get point-less!

FYI

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Here's the actual policy:
Normally it's a one-day period for Hook stories since Hook stories are more
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Thank you G West

Thanks for the policy reminder. Much appreciated.

Zalm, wow...

That's crazy.

Premier GMC was no "true narcissist" he was a policy wonk and a bit of a nerd. A great man who taught in Kenya, studied politics under one of the great maestros of the 1970s, got his MBA and BTW was a great mayor of Vancouver. Premier Campbell's glory also includes getting more votes than the BCNDP in 1996 and then crushing the BCNDP massively in 2001. This Premier also have among other accomplishments the Olympics, fixing Sea to Sky, saving BC Ferries, having a core services review and cutting income tax.

As far as Premier Christy Clark... I wish she'd get up to at least the speed and momentum of a GMC full-size truck... I want to see some policy and some kick-Dix really, really soon. I mean Christy Clark @ CKNW could really lay on the hits... punch after punch after punch on the bullies of the world...

BTW, I read PublicEyeOnline as well. I don't eat just Hersey's chocolate & TimBits.

Coming from a nutbar

that's a compliment. No wonder you wouldn't recognize a narcissist if he wrecked your province one Saturday night driving drunk at the wheel of government.

You know, you're spooky. It's not just your persistent problems with reality. It's your weird fixation on women in power. I'd be staying out of any dark alley you're in.

zalm, good idea

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Excellent observation zalm

Joe is pretty spooky - the couple of times I've heard him call up CKNW he comes across as someone who's revving up into a manic 'high' of truly insane proportions.

Fortunately, his kind of 'balance', here at Tyee and in 'his' frenetic, almost frantic fixation on finding links to irrelevant and utterly forgettable youtube© 'dramas' is, at best, comic relief and so far from a substantive example of substantive and meaningful speech as to be rather pitiful.

The guy here in Victoria who stands at the corner of Cook and Fairfield with a big sign predicting the imminent end of the world is about as relevant! And he attracts about the same amount of curious attention.

As my father the fisherman always said:
"Trolling is as trolling does."

The Campbell record, such as it is, stands (or rather wilts) entirely on its own. You can’t turn that mush back into filet mignon with all the meat glue in the world.

I’ve often wondered how he’d react if he knew I’d spent about an hour sharing a glass of wine with and talking to his hero Mary Polak a couple of weeks before Christmas….I did tell you about that experience, didn’t I?

I think he might turn green with envy.

Cheers my friend - and keep up the good fight.

G West...

Please tell about you-know-what. No envy here.

Yes, I am fired up when I call CKNW. Performing in public makes me anxious so I have to get me worked up into a yee-haw of Falcon-esque proportions.

Thank you GWEST

Thanks Gwest, always enjoy your posts. 

I'm sick of the ndp haters who really dont represent the majority of people in bc, but think they do. You got christy CRUNCH promoting "families first" when she doesnt know nothing about struggling middle class families. She destroyed education in this province and now wants to put families first? What a joke!!! 
Rise up and open your eyes people, we have a hard struggle ahead of us.
There needs to be a revolution between us poor/middle class people against the YUPPIES like Christy fan.
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middleclastguy... CIVILITY!

Civility... civility... CIVILITY!

I guess you guys only want it from us, not for thee.

It's Premier Christy Clark.

So BCNDP. They just do this to further the cycle of bullying. How long until it's Adrian Dick or some other equally stupid game or eventually slashed tires in Toronto as Tasha Kheiriddin on 1010 Newstalk opined about? I hope you get my point.

Furthermore being a Yuppie is a compliment to me because it means young, upward moving professional. Sweet! Yeah, baby!! Thanks, even if you 99% didn't intend such!!!

Furthermore, on civility...

I know I'm not the best person to preach about civility... but respect should be shown to our elected officials. They travel and serve at great expense to their personal lives - as in they put them on hold or forgo them - for many years at a time.

Can we all agree that name-calling is really unnecessary towards our new Premier? At the least: Name call me what-evah, but not the Premier.

I will call her christy

I will call her christy crunch you dont like it than dont read it, by yuppie i meant stuck up, irrogent(sorry dont know how to spell), rich and not having to deal with living pay cheque to pay cheque.

The Mary Polak experience

One of you was soused, and the other should have been to engage at such close quarters...

This thread didn't start well right from the very first comment, and hasn't gotten much better. I'm going to exercise my patience gene and leave it where it stands - I think the results speak well enough for themselves.

Too bad articles like this, while weak, get hijacked by personal agendas rather than substantive commoent about real affairs.

I think middleclassguy needs to learn how to spell...

Please. If we're going to have a conversation, let's be civil about it.

Also zalm, nice try but I'm no moron. Yes, I have an agenda... as do some of the Dippers who post here. Certainly Bill Tieleman.

The fact some of the left cannot show respect to public servants shows how little and irresponsible they truly are. They are NO Jack Layton!!!