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Premier's Political Minefield

Can Gordon Campbell disable all the bombs in BC Liberal Hurt Locker?

By Bill Tieleman, 23 Mar 2010, TheTyee.ca

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Open the hurt locker and see what there is of knives and teeth. / Open the hurt locker and learn how rough men come hunting for souls. -- Brian Turner, poem, The Hurt Locker.

A squad of veteran warriors is increasingly unnerved as their leader takes them into more and more deadly territory, to disarm massively destructive bombs that could easily kill them all.

As pressure mounts, the veterans even contemplate blowing up their leader to save themselves -- before it's too late.

But rather than being Kathryn Bigelow's Academy Award-winning best picture about U.S. soldiers in Iraq led by a talented but reckless bomb disposal expert, welcome to Premier Gordon Campbell's own Hurt Locker.

And the political improvised explosive devices Campbell and his B.C. Liberal team must defuse were not laid by clever enemy insurgents but were left there by themselves.

A new poll shows how politically deadly British Columbia now is -- Angus Reid Public Opinion found that 66 per cent of respondents believe a new government should replace the B.C. Liberals; that 49 per cent have a worsened view of Campbell over the last three months; that 60 per cent disapprove of his recent budget -- including 24 per cent of B.C. Liberal voters; and that more people have confidence in New Democrat leader Carole James to find "the right solutions for the B.C. economy" than Campbell.

The poll shows the NDP leading the B.C. Liberals by 43 per cent to 35 per cent, with the Green Party at 13 per cent and the B.C. Conservatives for the first time at 6 per cent.

Ouch -- but the hurt keeps coming.

The Harmonized Sales Tax is still hated by a whopping 77 per cent of British Columbians a full three months before it's imposed; only 12 per cent believe Finance Minister Colin Hansen's ridiculous claim that all HST revenue will go to health care; and therefore, not surprisingly, 66 per cent think Campbell is more interested in his political career than what's best for B.C.

More danger ahead

But when you see where the B.C. Liberal bomb squad is heading, you wonder whether Campbell's leadership will soon come to an explosive ending.

First up, former Social Credit Premier Bill Vander Zalm launches his anti-HST citizens' initiative petition to rescind the new tax on April 6 -- the campaign runs till July 5.

On May 3, the long-awaited B.C. Legislature Raid corruption trial of former B.C. Liberal government aides David Basi, Bob Virk and Aneal Basi starts, running to June 30.

On July 1 the extra seven per cent Harmonized Sales Tax is imposed on hundreds of goods and services previously only subject to the five per cent GST. From food in restaurants to airline tickets, gym memberships, new homes over $525,000, haircuts, movies and plays, home repairs and renovations; it all gets whacked.

And also on July 1 the B.C. Liberals add another one cent a litre to the price of gasoline and other fuels with the latest hike in their carbon tax.

Does anyone doubt that on Nov. 15 -- the first day allowed by Elections B.C. -- there will be recall campaigns launched against individual B.C. Liberal MLAs?

Where's Premier Campbell?

All of the above may be one reason why previously invisible Campbell cabinet ministers are suddenly appearing in the media to build profile for a possible leadership run -- and perhaps take out the leader before he does them all in.

You can't turn on the television in the past few weeks without seeing Public Safety Minister Kash Heed. From snowmobilers causing avalanches to graduated licenses for motorcyclists to cell phone use in cars, Kash heeds the call to say something to the media.

Then Mike de Jong weighs in on the need to put television cameras in B.C. courts -- after nine years of the administration ignoring the idea.

Gee Mike, which trial do you think the public would really like to watch on TV when it starts -- the Basi-Virk case perhaps? And who would be hurt the most -- Gordon Campbell?

So the B.C. Liberal Hurt Locker watch is now on. Stand by for casualties. This will get very ugly.  [Tyee]

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  • zalm

    2 years ago

    It's already gotten ugly, Bill

    Despite the lowest corporate tax rates in Canada, head offices are fleeing Vancouver at a massive rate. What do they know that we don't?

    http://www.bcbusinessonline.ca/boston-pizza

  • Barryeng

    2 years ago

    The chickens are cominh home to roost

    Finally, the chickens are coming home to roost. It was only a matter of time before Campbell shot himself in the foot, and it's finally happened. It is interesting to watch the rats deserting the sinking ship though. Enough of the platitudes.

    Most voters in British Columbia will breath a sigh of relief once Campbell is gone, but I have serious doubts that the damage he has caused can ever be corrected, regardless of who replaces him.

  • C.A.P.

    2 years ago

    Hurt Locker

    Maybe next time when BC goes to the polls they will not vote for a majority. Giving a landslide to any party is suicide, Campbell was never a liberal yet you voted for him. Do your research. BC you made this bed and now the sheets lie differently. Carbon Tax going to medicare my ass. The goverment lies and taxpayers lie down too lazy to get up and voice your opinion

  • Fiat lux

    2 years ago

    It is obvious that behind

    It is obvious that behind the scenes Diana Watts is being groomed by the media, as the next leader.

    There's no present BCLib MLA, or minister who could be accepted by the public .

    Campbell will quit after the forced the HST on BC and there will be a form of leadership race, but only for the sake of theatricals and publicity and then Watts is going to be crowned.

    Ed Deak.

  • Grania

    2 years ago

    Watch Out!

    This government knows it is going down. My concern is that they will push through extremely damaging legislation before they go...like privatizing health care and pushing through the health tourism scam. They have nothing to lose now...and they know it. Any subsequent government will struggle to bring fairness, equality and fiscal responsibility back to BC.

  • Fiat lux

    2 years ago

    Unfortunately, you're

    Unfortunately, you're correct Grania and with our present electoral system, with majority governments having dictatorial powers and their members used as mindless voting machines, there's little the public can do.

    Even the remote possibility of Harper ever getting a majority gives me the creeps. There wouldn't be a Canada left.

    Ed Deak

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    You are probably right Grania

    "they will push through extremely damaging legislation before they go."

    They will do it in the hopes that any of those decisions can not be reversed. If the opposition wanted to play some hardball they could announce which decisions they will reverse once they are in government. Make a list. Make it clear what you stand for and why some of Campbell's actions are bad for BC. You might start with that article by Will McMartin on Accenture. That alone would create an uneasiness which will make the liberals cautious about doing some of the stupid things you suggest is on their list.

    Of course it will take cajones and I'm not sure the opposition has any given their past performance.

  • Conductor274

    2 years ago

    Democracy lost

    The biggest problem we have in Canada and the US is that true democracy doesn't exist anymore. The idea that when we vote we elect people who will represent our interests is nothing more than the illusion of democracy. The political parties are now fully controlled by the premier or prime minister. Once elected they "whip" their MP's and MLA's into voting along party lines. The policies put forward don't reflect the public interests anymore, just corporate interests. So the fix is in and the vote is meaningless.

    You ever wonder why all you get are form letters from your representative if you ask them questions? Or why it is when your rep writes an article or letter to the local newspaper it's nothing more than a regurgitation of the party line? They're nice little puppets aren't they?

  • morven

    2 years ago

    Minefields

    All political parties become ossified and inflexible after a decade in power, whether of the left or the right political persuasion

    Ever heard of political gotterdammerung?

  • freebear

    2 years ago

    Better wear his mittens

    while he is defusing the mines and bombs!

  • W Laurier

    2 years ago

    Yup, Bill....

    It is 100% absolutely for sure that neither Campbell nor the Liberals will get re-elected in 2013.

    Just like it was 100% for sure in 2009.

  • Jim Van Rassel

    2 years ago

    Enemy of the State

    Why is Gordon Campbell not in jail? If I had my way he would be charged with Treason.
    "a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
    the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery." JVR

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Gordon Cambell has broken many laws

    We won`t have to wait until 2013.."recall in the Fall"..."Recall in the Fall"

    http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2010/03/gordon-campbell-ignored-laws-regarding.html

    Wilfred..."Ignorance is Bliss"

    You must live a very Blissful life.

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Yes Wilf...

    ...it's funny how you can come up with a flippant comment about Campbell's winning in 2013 but never anything about serious and sleezy actions like the gift to Accenture. Dream on my friend, the times they are a changing!

  • Hermans Hermit

    2 years ago

    Whisky

    "..."Recall in the Fall"

    Damn right buddy.

    The habitual criminal liar Gordo must be recalled. And that irrational whiny James must also be on that same recall list. Those two losers must be taken off BC's stage ASAP.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    Gee thanks...

    But Kash Heed Premier? The guy who stubbed a journo babe's toe and made Sean Holman sweat?

    Premier Mike de Jong sounds good. But there's somebody who brought peace to Surrey, won the Wheel of BCNDP School Budgeting, runs Langley Air Base, saved the BCLibs from the 2009 Hurt Locker and is a YouTube star... now, BCNDP, take your heart medication... three words to stop your heart...

    1) PREMIER
    2) MARY
    3) POLAK

    Yup. Three words that'll terrorize big government yahoos on the left and the right. Three words that'll freshen up this New Era. Three words that'll make Premier Gordon Campbell so classic.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    Hermans Hermit

    To be replaced by your faves, Gregor Robertson and the likes of Tzeporah Berman.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    Skywalker

    That's because Wilf supports this latest example of corruption 100%.

    As long as the brand is Liberal he and dot Luke will never criticize a thing.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    Oh and recall...

    Great idea. It's something many like. But you tried in 2002... and failed... under late 1990s BCNDP rules.

    I have a better idea... three words to freeze BCNDP hearts... and melt the hearts of the young... Premier. Mary. Polak.

    Thank you.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    Polakite

    Do you even live on planet earth? Seriously.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    Frank, I live on Planet Earth

    Just so Frank knows.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    As I type...

    Our brave Premier Gordon Campbell is fighting bravely in QP. Gold tie looks good on our hero.

    What hurt locker again?

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    What QP are you listening to?

    Really.

    Our Premier still got game, showing the folks how it's done.

    I await your reply. RSVP if you must.

  • cghzd

    2 years ago

    Put Corruption Trial on TV

    Everyone connected with this blog should contact Attorney General Michael de Jong and implore him to act on his newest and greatest idea, that being to put TV cameras in court rooms.

    CALL or WRITE your MLAs and tell them this is a great idea and that it should be implemented immediately___
    just in time for the BC Rail Corruption trial and coming soon after, the trial of a former BC Liberal Attorney General concerning an illegal land deal.

    Call or write every NDP MLA and tell them to get their
    asses in gear and do something with this court room tv thing that has been laid out before them on a silver platter by no other than the Attorney General of the Liberal Government.

    The NDP can stand up every day of the remaining 20 sitting days and tell de Jong to get the TV cameras going. As far as I know the court room that was used to conduct the Air India trial is all wired up and ready to roll.

    For all of you out there that like to piss and whine about this Government this is your chance to turn their faces to the wall.
    Its as simple as going to the BC Government web site and emailing every MLA.

    I am sure your all smart enough to pass this on and maybe the Tyee can even get in on this and give the ball a good kick to get this off the ground.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    Polakite

    Sorry, but your claiming to live on planet earth isn't good enough as you also make claims that are in opposition to reality.

    I'm going to need more proof. Try saying something that would pass a human intelligence test.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    Frank, you can take your human IQ test...

    and give it to a BCNDP MLA.

    I have a 135 IQ.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    Okay, perhaps...

    We need to pick the BCLibs a Premier.

    I think the BCLibs need somebody who makes the NDP mad as hell and dumber than a doorknob.

    One hint... it ain't Kevvy Falcon.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    Polakite

    Well then super-genius, you should be able to put some thought into your postings but instead you do nothing but troll.

    Thankfully Mary Polak has people like you supporting her which the rest of the population continues to find repugnant.

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Joseph K......AKA ...Polakite

    Did Sean Holman kick you off his site for ruining the comment threads?

    That`s what I heard,no one comments there anymore because [OFFENSIVE COMMENT REMOVED. -MODERATOR.].

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Speaking of IQ.

    You said, "I have a 135 IQ." Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?

  • W Laurier

    2 years ago

    True...

    But when you have not been in government for a decade, you have no record to run on.

    I cannot ever recall an election the Faithful have not forecast a landslide victory.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    That's Mary Polak

    Who, with her hero and mentor Heather Stilwell, held up the taxpayers of Surrey for something like a million dollars for their little indulgence of taking their prejudices against gay people all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada.

    What kind of an IQ does that require?

  • SharingIsGood

    2 years ago

    IQ and values

    Polakite:
    There are plenty of bright people in the world with questionable values.

    Campbell is exceedingly bright, but that doesn't make him a good judge of how a province ought to be run. You see, he has bad values IMO. Likewise, your IQ may place you in a general range of about 1 in 50 people. That score does not tell us if you have any learning disabilities, nor does it tell us how kind, moral or caring you are. Intelligence means little if one is not virtuous as well.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Perhaps you'd care to address a bit more of MARY POLAK'S record?

    Here's a bit of what David Beers wrote about your fave a few years ago after he'd interviewed Polak and her mentor and partner in crime - Heather Stilwell:

    Quote:
    That same Surrey school board had also banned condom machines from high school washrooms and Planned Parenthood from classrooms. Stilwell had just taken over the board's reins from Robert Pickering, an activist crusader against the notion that homosexuality might be "normal, acceptable, or must be tolerated." Stilwell, who had herself decried "special rights" for homosexuals when she ran for premier as the candidate of the Christian right-wing Family Coalition, made no apologies for Pickering's views other than to call him too much "a lightning rod."

    Quote:
    Polak put it a bit differently. Pickering's problem was that "he is without guile. He says exactly what he thinks." Such is the lineage of anti-gay politics among the Surrey Electoral Team that produced Polak, who was recruited to the board by Stilwell.

    Wouldn't it be refreshing if Ms Polak had a little less 'guile' and told us exactly what she 'thinks'?

    But no worries - she's left a heavy trail of evidence behind her - her past is not going to be buried any time soon despite the cheerleading.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    Taking your QP my Tyee opposition bench...

    and getting Polak with it.

    Frank - and by your standard the entire BCLib caucus are QP trolls.

    Whiskey River - no and if it were PolakEyeOnline it'd be green instead of dark red.

    Skywalker - huh? That ain't room temp, son.

    G West - Mary Polak is pro-parent in this matter. I read the story and Mary Polak is honest, genuine and a true libertarian. She believes in empowering the taxpayer, not the government. Polak would make a great Premier because she couldn't lie about the budget. Mary Polak lying? What next... NDP join the Fraser Institute?

    SharingIsGood - okay, your values of 'spread the wealth' are pretty obvious.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    No she's not

    She's prejudiced; narrow minded and hateful - just like her mentor and hero Heather Stilwell.

    You think she doesn't lie - read that interview again - pro parent has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

    Schools are about Kids - not parents. You might also note that Heather Stilwell didn't actually send all of her many many kids to public schools - they went to private Catholic schools much of time - and for a time she home schooled some of them.

    Great qualifications as a school board chairperson wouldn't you think?

    If she believed in empowering the taxpayer she wouldn't have wasted 1 million dollars of taxpayer's money on a stupid, selfish, self-indulgent, foul-minded and hateful crusade against a minority.

    Fact is, you don't really KNOW very much about Mary Polak and her mentor do you?

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    Polakite

    I have no problem with you calling the entire BCLib caucus, trolls.

    Carry on.

    By the way, nice quote from GWest there, Mary, like other BC Libs, loves to lie I guess.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    Hell won't be freezing over any time soon

    This article has been up for a couple of days and we have yet to see a right-winger comment on it.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    G West has a way with spin...

    First, I want to say debating Surrey is getting OLD. VERY OLD.

    That said...

    a) If Mary Polak were such a hater than why did she work so hard to get homosexual education IN THE END?

    If G West was right, our Rockette Polak wouldn't be saying this:

    “I am quite confident that anyone who wants to review my record on the matter of the three books will find that I have never been known to hold antigay or homophobic sentiments. I would be one of the first to decry those.”

    She added: “I have a very libertarian view when it comes to how public education and the state ought to operate. In my view, the state always has to be very careful not to stray into areas of private morality. Whether or not it is the topic of same-sex families or schools talking about religion, it is that same kind of determination.”
    SOURCE: http://www.straight.com/article-151139/premier-boosts-foe-samesex-kids-books

    This is also the same Mary Polak that said:

    "At the beginning of this month residents in my constituency received an unwelcome reminder of the hatred and intolerance that still exists even in a tolerant community such as Langley. A flyer denouncing mixed-race marriages, gays and lesbians, and minorities was delivered to the mailboxes of unsuspecting Langley residents. The flyer urges Canadians to join the fight against a Third World immigration invasion and promotes a homophobic, anti-Semitic, white supremacist American group."
    SOURCE: http://www.marypolakmla.bc.ca/EN/3106/36015?PHPSESSID=d01e90d12d046d3eba5704d5b088acc9

    Do I need to continue, G West?

    b) I am well aware of Heather Stillwell and the Polak 2-step she must play between the libertarians & SoCons. She is another Stephen Harper... quite literally. That good... and capable of grave miscalculation (e.g. EIBI) too.

    c) G West, can't you bring something else up about why you fear a Premier Mary Polak? I betcha you can't.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    More rambling on and on for the enxt three years.

    Where does one begin? The anti-HST protest led by The Zalm, and supported by BT is going to fail. Even if that makes it past Elections BC to a government committee, the HST will have already been passed.

    Recall against a BC Liberal MLA? Good luck in getting that to happen. The BC Liberal MLA that is successfully recalled can easily run again in the forced by-election. A recall has never been successful in BC, although in one instance the MLA resigned before the recall actually took place.

    The most successful topic in this biased article is that Basi-Virk trial. Hoping to see Basi and/or
    Virk be found guilty on that one.

    But again, folks, it comes back to this time last year. The leftwingers such as GW and others should have worked much harder to get the NDP elected, and they didn't.

    So what happens? Another BC Liberal government with Campbell as Premier. No one to blame but yourselves for that outcome.

    Going to be a long haul to 2013, kids.

  • greengreen

    2 years ago

    Taking a stand...

    Yes, come next election I would like to see the NDP take a stand:
    -decisions we will reverse in first 30 days,
    -decisions we will reverse in first year
    -decisions we will reverse in first term
    -decisions we can't reverse, but will modify by...
    However, the MSM would have a field day. Every "issue" would be twisted to make the NDP look uninformed, stupid etc. etc. Look what happened in the U.S. over the health debate! Our" right wingers",although not nearly as off the wall as those in the States, do have an agenda, and they will go to any means to manipulate the public's perception of reality. They are masters at this and can depend on MSM to "facilitate" this manipulation.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    BC Boy

    If Basi and Virk are found guilty then so will be the person who ordered them.

    As for who to blame for Campbell, I blame people who campaigned for him, like you.

    People that ignore the corruption in his government, like you.

    And people who want to make our society as unequal as possible, like you.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    It's not me spinning Polakite

    Look back up the thread to the bit quoted from the David Beers interview.

    Did you miss this:

    Stilwell had just taken over the board's reins from Robert Pickering, an activist crusader against the notion that homosexuality might be "normal, acceptable, or must be tolerated." Stilwell, who had herself decried "special rights" for homosexuals when she ran for premier as the candidate of the Christian right-wing Family Coalition, made no apologies for Pickering's views other than to call him too much "a lightning rod."

    Polak put it a bit differently. Pickering's problem was that "he is without guile. He says exactly what he thinks." Such is the lineage of anti-gay politics among the Surrey Electoral Team that produced Polak, who was recruited to the board by Stilwell.

    Now, someone with an IQ like yours should be able to parse that statement.

    But, maybe not. What she's saying is that she's willing to lie and disguise her true feelings to get what she wants.

    You might want to look up the definition of 'guile'.

  • ChrisC

    2 years ago

    OY !!!

    Well looks like Josef K (Polakite) is here at Tyee, intent on ruining the comment threads like he has done at PublicEyeOnline. Everyone look forward to continual braying of his take on "political humour" and what he feels is "debate". Of course, by commenting/talking about him, I am providing exactly what he enjoys. For Gods sake, everyone just ignore the ignorant Troll............

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    G West, you can't tell the difference...

    Between Stillwell the right wing certifiable and Mary Polak the libertarian.

    Enuf said. I'm getting irritated of debating this over... and over... and over... and over again. I feel for ChrisC if this is all we talked about on PEO.

  • samuidave (not verified)

    2 years ago

    Here's an obvious thought

    We need political reform where political parties are completely disbanded and outlawed.

    Representative democracy is of the people, and to serve the interests of citizens, not corporations or political parties.

    I know, all too easy of a solution, but my new provincial party will campaign precisely on this issue.

    I wonder if BC can handle the people's voices being heard in the Legislature?

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Can't tell the difference because there is NO DIFFERENCE

    I think you're irritated because Mary stated for all to hear that Stilwell is her model and her mentor – the person who guided her and brought her into politics and she stated it loud and clear in the Legislature.

    That's not my fault - she brought it on herself - why anyone would choose to say such things (and appoint Stilwell to the position she did) about anyone who is, as you say, certifiable, is someone who ought to look to his own powder because it's wet.

    ChrisC, I agree completely – I’d much rather discuss how Gordon Campbell is going to contend with the clear intention of the statement from Art Sterritt of the Costal First Nations, that they will never allow tankers to run up the Inside Passage 200 or more times a year.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    G West...

    Whatever.

  • RickW

    2 years ago

    Polakite

    Quote:
    Mary Polak is honest, genuine and a true libertarian. She believes in empowering the taxpayer, not the government

    Read up on libertarians, my son. They don't believe in taxation.

    Guess that lends a little incredulity to everything you say, doesn't it?

  • samuidave (not verified)

    2 years ago

    that is, a party of one ;)

    in case you were wondering.

  • khed67

    2 years ago

    Please ignore Polakite

    Would you all please just ignore Polakite.

    She turns every thread into a childish Mary Polak debate, pushing the same commenters' buttons over and over. This article has nothing to do with Polak, except that she is cut from the same conservative cloth as Campbell and the rest of the BC "Liberal" Party. She's a troll, and she's surely giggling away in her little rubber room every time someone gives her some attention.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Wong once again, keep trying.

    "If Basi and Virk are found guilty then so will be the person who ordered them."

    That will be for the court to decide. The person who ordered them was Judith Reid (Transportation) and Gary Collins (Finance).

    It wil be fun to watch though.

    "As for who to blame for Campbell, I blame people who campaigned for him, like you. "

    Sorry wrong person. I didn't campaign for Campbell.
    Don't live in his riding, and had no interest in
    going over there to help. Was too busy doing something else to worry about whether Gordon Campbell will win his riding or not.

    "People that ignore the corruption in his government, like you."

    So who's ignoring? I'm watching.

    "And people who want to make our society as unequal as possible, like you."

    The NDP tried to make society equal, but in their thinking some within are more equal than others.

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Yup 135 is Fahrenheit.

    Lukewarm at best.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    The NDP stands on its stand?

    "Yes, come next election I would like to see the NDP take a stand:

    That would be a first in 8 years.

    "-decisions we will reverse in first 30 days,"

    Who is "we"?

    "-decisions we will reverse in first year"

    The HST won't be one of them.

    "-decisions we will reverse in first term"

    Bruce Ralston as Finance Minister. Health Minister Adrian Dix..

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Abolish political parties, yet start one. Go figure.

    "We need political reform where political parties are completely disbanded and outlawed. "

    We'll start with the BC Liberals then move onto the abolition of the NDP and Provincial Conservatives.

    "Representative democracy is of the people, and to serve the interests of citizens, not corporations or political parties."

    Like to know where that exists.

    I know, all too easy of a solution, but my new provincial party will campaign precisely on this issue."

    This is interesting. The poster wanted political parties abolished and yet he wants to start one.

    "I wonder if BC can handle the people's voices being heard in the Legislature?"

    Wonder if the people can handle the other people's
    voice's being heard in the Legislature. Apparently
    not currently.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    BC Boy...

    Kinda. I'd like to see the BCNDP go first.

    But I agree. Chuck the parties and start over.

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Polakite joined with BC Boy,yuck!!!!

    Typical Neocon jibberish..After Gordon Campbell triples the debt ruins the province,sells all the assets for pennies,leading the ountry is child poverty for 7 straight years....

    You want a new system,Campbell and 6 others are gone in the fall through recall..

    Recall,all that is required is 40% of the voters in the ridings that we want to recall,60 days to gather signatures...

    That is a piece of cake,4 ridings that liberals won had recounts,there was more than 40% NDP voters alone in those ridings, add the greens and disgruntled liberals and 40% is a snap...

    The only ones who say recall in "not-do-able" is the media stooges at Canwest/Global.

    Recall success is a done deal....No,the NDP can`t fix the mess overnight,but Gordon Campbell will make history,he will be the only Government in Canadian history to lose power through recall.

    People are angry,hydro spike,gas spike,hst,lies lies and more lies, people will that hst on every bill,funerals,repairs,everything,you will be able to cut the anger with a knife this fall!

    Not if they will be removed through recall,but when....

    When is "Recall in the Fall"...Recall in the Fall"

    Cheers

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Could be Kevin

    You said, "I have a 135 IQ." Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?

    Actually in his case, it would be 135 K, which equates to about minus 135 C.

    He has never particularly warmed up to reality yet when it comes to Mary Polak and Heather Stillwell.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Recalling the effort.

    "You want a new system,Campbell and 6 others are gone in the fall through recall.."

    Actually not true. That wouldn't happen until November 2011, if it ever makes it that far. Those
    same MLAs can run to get their seat back.

    "Recall,all that is required is 40% of the voters in the ridings that we want to recall,60 days to gather signatures..."

    That's 40% of the registered voters, not the residents. 40% of the total number of registered voters in a given riding in 60 days? Can't be done
    without a uge organization. It's been tried three times, and none succeeded.

    "That is a piece of cake,4 ridings that liberals won had recounts,there was more than 40% NDP voters alone in those ridings, add the greens and disgruntled liberals and 40% is a snap..."

    until reality sets in. Takes organization and talent.

    "The only ones who say recall in "not-do-able" is the media stooges at Canwest/Global."

    and those who have seen it worked like I have.

    "Recall success is a done deal....No,the NDP can`t fix the mess overnight,"

    They will cause their own mess like Glen Clark did.

    "but Gordon Campbell will make history,he will be the only Government in Canadian history to lose power through recall."

    I doubt that. He might even be gone by then, replaced with a new BC Liberal leader, which is more likely.

    "People are angry,hydro spike,gas spike,hst,lies lies and more lies, people will that hst on every bill,funerals,repairs,everything,you will be able to cut the anger with a knife this fall!"

    I'd rather cut into a medium rare porterhouse steak at the Keg during dinner with a few friends.

    "Not if they will be removed through recall,but when...."

    assuming the organizing is there.

    "When is "Recall in the Fall"...Recall in the Fall"

    The only recall that will happen is not from the left wing, but from Toyota.

  • Fish-counter

    2 years ago

    It is so easy to hate Gordon Campbell

    We hated Glen Clark too though, and all the premiers before him, all the way back to Bill Bennett. BC needs a solid middle-of-the road political party that does not sell off all the public assets to make a few rich and does not give in to the unions.

    The ferry service is a good indicator. Clark bore the burden of the Fastcats and Campbell will bear the burden of the way-too-big Gerry-built boats. They are as much of a white elephant as the Fastcats. No matter how fast they, I will always remember Campbell for the Queen of the North sinking and the disgraceful four-year delay in laying charges.

    What we really need in BC is a good sewage treatment plant for Victoria to hide the stink coming from parliament. When he does quit, Campbell can get a job selling liquor.

  • RickW

    2 years ago

    Selling Liquor?

    Or sopping it?

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    BC Boy

    The fear in your last comment lept off the page.

    18 months after the May election is when recall can start..That is..November 2010...Right after everyone feels the HST...

    40% of people who voted in the last election, I guarantee everyone who voted NDP or Green will sign up for recall...Plus many betrayed BC Liberals....Reisma on the island was going down to recall so he resigned...

    And yes,recall can and will be done,no olympic bounce for Campbell,the anger building.

    There are hundreds of volunteers for Point Grey alone...And with only 50% of the eligible voters actually voted...Caribou Chilcotin..Donna Barnett is done..Comox valley..Don McCrae is done...Mission Liberal MLA is done...Murray Coell on the island is done....Campbell is done in point Grey...Magret McDiarmid in Vancouver is done.....Richard Lee in North Burnaby is done...

    There are a few more.

    Next time BC Boy...Try to not post your fear!

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Recall the confusion

    "18 months after the May election is when recall can start..That is..November 2010...Right after everyone feels the HST..."

    That's when the actual process starts, not the actual by-elections.

    :40% of people who voted in the last election, I guarantee everyone who voted NDP or Green will sign up for recall"

    Don't be too sure. There was a low voter turnout,
    and in order to directly find those who specifically voted NDP,unless the voter says they did, there will be a need to rely on NDP support lists, which are the property of the NDP campaigns. Same thing with the Greens, so it will turn out to be a sour puss NDP campaign, not a citizen's recall.

    "...Plus many betrayed BC Liberals....Reisma on the island was going down to recall so he resigned..."

    Different time and different cirumstance. He resigned because he personally had no way out.

    "And yes,recall can and will be done,no olympic bounce for Campbell,the anger building."

    Has nothing to do with the Olympics.

    "There are hundreds of volunteers for Point Grey alone...And with only 50% of the eligible voters actually voted...Caribou Chilcotin..Donna Barnett is done..Comox valley..Don McCrae is done...Mission Liberal MLA is done...Murray Coell on the island is done....Campbell is done in point Grey...Magret McDiarmid in Vancouver is done.....Richard Lee in North Burnaby is done..."

    Sure. A recall campaign happened in Point Grey against Campbell. It didn't go anywhere.

    There are a few more.

    "Next time BC Boy...Try to not post your fear!"

    What fear? I find this quite funny. People keep talking and don't doing.

    Since I have no ties to the BC Liberals and can get along nicely without them at all, there isn't any fear.

  • DJT

    2 years ago

    Could be Kevin

    I think you meant "Kelvin". I'm sure Polkalite the genius could have enlightened you, but I thought I'd save him/ her the time.

  • ReeferMadness

    2 years ago

    2013 is a long way off....

    In politics, 3 years is an eon. Plenty of time for people to forget about HST. Nobody understands BC Rail. If the economy comes back, even Gordo could get re-elected. If not, they'll dump him and hope the shit sticks to him, not the party.

    Meanwhile, we've got smilin' Bill, the anti-democrat who did his best to ensure we never get a government that's representative of the way people actually voted, distracting us with pipe dreams about recall. He's even teaming up with Vander Zalm. Can you believe it?

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    Thanks DJT... oh and it's so easy to love Mary Polak...

    Part A: I was asleep when I meant to correct the bloke. I thought he may have meant Kevvy Falcon - who like me has a mouth that roars and prrs.

    Part B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZLZR339hdE - it's in HD. Apparently the BCLib Fan Club is back... and you guys are getting Polak'd.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Absolutely

    You love both Mary Polak and her guide and mentor - Heather Stilwell - they're a PAIR ALRIGHT you're welcome to them - no one else wants them.

    For good and demonstrable reasons.

  • Polakite

    2 years ago

    G West...

    Why don't you go gaga over Stillwell?

    You just love bringing her up.

    I've had enough of this thread. Sorry to all annoyed.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Good

    Now we can get back to discussing the record of the current government - the one led by Gordon Campbell.

    BTW, the spelling is STILWELL.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    What's new there

    "Now we can get back to discussing the record of the current government - the one led by Gordon Campbell."

    Obviously with a bias. Nothing new there. Seems the NDP wants to have the real debate in here, not where it belongs, in the Legislature.

    If the leftwingers here ever had the talent to make it through an electin and become MLAs, the banter in the Legislature would be alot of fun. Back to the days of Larry Moe and Curly. (Glen, Moe and Mike).

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Phew that's a relief.

    I was wondering how long that nonsense and diversion would last. Now maybe we can get back to the most unpopular Premier in BC History. Campbell!

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    A relief for Leftwingers no doubt.

    "I was wondering how long that nonsense and diversion would last. Now maybe we can get back to the most unpopular Premier in BC History. Campbell!"

    Talk on the subject in the lunchroom at NDP's headquarters and write the summaries to the NDP's online edition of The Democrat, The Tyee..

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Perhaps we could start with this

    Bill 5 - Zero Net Deforestration Act.

    I'll even provide a link:
    http://www.leg.bc.ca/39th2nd/1st_read/gov05-1.htm

    Why would any government worthy of the label introduce such a meaningless and toothless piece of legislation?

  • G West

    2 years ago

    And then

    Perhaps we could discuss THIS conclusion from the report of the Comptroller General concerning management compensation at BC Ferries:

    Quote:
    BCFS executive compensation was significantly higher than that paid by several larger public sector entities. For example, the Chief Executive Officer‟s (CEO) total 2008/09 compensation was more than double that of the larger public sector comparators. We also found that the performance measures and targets used to determine the incentive bonuses for executives‟ made the bonuses easier to attain than we would have expected.

    Quote:
    The BCFS Board Directors‟ remuneration was also higher than public sector organizations we compared against, and the retainer fee portion, which was most of the remuneration, was three to five times higher than permitted under a Treasury Board (TB) directive governing BC Crown Corporation Board compensation (although BCFS is not obligated to abide by TB directives because it is not a Crown Corporation).

    Quote:
    Our concerns regarding BCFS‟ compensation are compounded by the fact the BCFS Board sets its own compensation and approves the executive compensation without accountability to the independent Authority (shareholder).

    I might also ask readers to consider these conclusions at the same time they address the continuing 'operational losses' at BC Ferries along with the fact that the Corporation has loaned a Victoria developer some 25 million dollars....in relation to a deal involving the construction of a new head office building on Blanshard Street.

  • lynn

    2 years ago

    Jim Van Rassel writes:

    Quote:

    "Why is Gordon Campbell not in jail?"

    That is such a good question....on so many levels.

    In fact, that same observation could be extended to the BCLiberal party itself.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    You wish

    "Why is Gordon Campbell not in jail?"

    That is such a good question....on so many levels."

    Simply because no charges have been brought against him that contravenes the Criminal Code.

    "In fact, that same observation could be extended to the BCLiberal party itself."

    Could also applied to the Clark NDP with his fudgit budget, and misinformation he based himself on leading the public to think the Fastcats were a good deal.

    The party itself is seperate from government. It would be very difficult to charge a political party as an organization on something that the government allegedly did.

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Ida Chong gets.....

    Chicken shit in her office...A very fowl situation?

    http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Hens+released+Chong+office+protest+against+government+land+stance/2720010/story.html

    HA HA LOL LOL

    The political winds of change are blowing full gale force...

    Cheers Boy

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Fudge

    http://thetyee.ca/Views/2009/02/18/ToxicFudge/

    A little more from Will McMartin

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    See the kids are at it again.

    "HA HA LOL LOL

    The political winds of change are blowing full gale force...

    Cheers Boy"

    See the kids are at it again. Oh well. It's going to be a long haul to 2013, children.

    But it does give ideas to use if the NDP becomes government. Not a bad idea to use against an NDP Minister.

  • lynn

    2 years ago

    BCBoy:

    Well, that's simply rectified, let's amend that observation then to include the "BCLiberal government".

    Since you're such a good "BC" (wink, wink) boy what do you think of the extensive loss of autonomy over BC's most valuable resources and assets that has taken place under the "BC" "Liberal" "government?

    How do you think a government whose duty was to represent the people.... and instead ruthlessly betrayed them..... should be brought to justice?

  • lynn

    2 years ago

    Speaking of Fudge........

    Where, for instance, is that one billion dollar cheque from CN, for the sale of BC Rail?

    Perhaps, "BC" Boy, you could point us in the general direction of where we would "exactly" find it?

    I mean, how could a billion dollar cheque go missing?

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Do the work yourself The

    "Well, that's simply rectified, let's amend that observation then to include the "BCLiberal government"."

    That would then exclude the party, which would not have been a part of the equation anyway.

    "Since you're such a good "BC" (wink, wink) boy what do you think of the extensive loss of autonomy over BC's most valuable resources and assets that has taken place under the "BC" "Liberal" "government?"

    Can't see the forest through the trees?

    "How do you think a government whose duty was to represent the people.... and instead ruthlessly betrayed them..... should be brought to justice?"

    There's no "bringing to justice" in this instance since no crime has been committed. If you're wondering about "brought to justice" by the people,
    that opportunity was last May, sweetheart.

    The left wingers could have worked alot harder to bring more supporters to the polls, but they didn't.

    No sense in complaining about the wood at mill
    now, when different trees could have made it to the pond if the people worked hard enough to do the hauling.

    As for the cheque from CN, it was most likely already provided, but not in one lump sum. That sale took place several years ago, and CN has had
    running rights since then. Not happy with it, and would rather have better freight and much better passenger service but that train had since left the station.

  • lynn

    2 years ago

    Of boys and men.......

    You're obviously drawn to escapist fiction, darling.

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    I guess one of the tag team is still in the ring.

    It is becoming repetitive. Tell me when he's gone.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    If you don't like the debate, move on

    "It is becoming repetitive. Tell me when he's gone."

    Interesting. Since when does the debate or this online paper "belong" to the previous poster or anyother left winger?

    This is for anyone to contribute to, not to a select group on one side of the political equation.

    If there's a dislike to commentary, move on, folks.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Not a Harliquin Romance story.

    "You're obviously drawn to escapist fiction, darling."

    Obviously drawn to hallunciations yourself, sweetcakes.

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Lynn

    It went through the laundry and Campbell couldn't figure out what caused all the lint. He was worried about the peanuts in his stand. He lost them as well.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Peanut Goverment.

    "It went through the laundry and Campbell couldn't figure out what caused all the lint. He was worried about the peanuts in his stand. He lost them as well."

    Speaking of peanuts, Clark didn't correctly estimate the cost, and he built the stand, but couldn't sell his peanuts out of province. He insisted the peanut
    operations would cost a certain amount but ended up
    being far more.

    The peanuts were manufactured, but there were production problems, and problems with the quality.

    The consumers complained that the peanuts weren't
    as good as they had hoped and additional costs
    were found. The consumers found out that the of the peanuts by the Clark Peanut Company was in excess
    of what could have been bought if there was better
    research done before production.

    The Peanut Company hired a person who was more
    familiar with trees than processing peanuts.

    Eventually the Clark Peanut Company was scrapped,
    the equipment was put on the market by the Dosanjh
    Food Cmpany, but no buyers.

    Then the Peanut Company was put on the auction
    block, sold at a fraction of the original cost and
    the tapayers took the loss. The supporters of the
    Clark Peanut Company blamed the next government
    for the huge loss, despite the Dosanjh Food Company
    not being able to sell the Clark Peanut Company
    at a price to recover 80% of the cost spent by the
    Clark Government to have people make peanuts when
    there was a better demand for walnuts.

  • .Luke.

    2 years ago

    Whiskey River...

    Quote:
    40% of people who voted in the last election

    Dude, get your facts straight man.

    It's 40% of registered voters, while 50% of "registered voters" voted in 2009.

    Quote:
    I guarantee everyone who voted NDP or Green will sign up for recall"

    Yuppers. Even when Gordo was at his polling low-point with ARS showing a 14% spread in favour of the NDP late last summer/fall, that ARS spread has now been reduced to 8%.

    When that ARS spread was 14%, only 42% of respondents in Gordo's riding of Point Grey would support a recall petition.

    And that's after 3 leading questions about the HST. Even then, 26% of NDP supporters as well as 40% of Green supporters would oppose any recall petition according to the ummm... "unbiased" BC Fed sponsored poll. ;)

    http://bcfed.ca/node/1758

    http://bcfed.ca/files/1030-09rep-HST%20opinion%20polling-v2.pdf

    Quote:
    Chicken shit in her office...A very fowl situation? HA HA LOL LOL

    Gawd you provide lottsa humourous entertainment here at the Tyee. :D

    Yuk Yuk's Comedy Club is always lookin' for new material. You certainly have the curriculum vitae to run NDP head office. ;)

    Now... back to the real issue - Carole James! Even ARS had a poll showing that a majority of NDP supporters want her dumped. Voting for that dimwit is akin to jumping from the frying pan into the fire. :D

    Either Dianne Watts or Carole Taylor will take over the helm from Gordo likely next year.

    Time to get out your Bob Marley CD and play it - "Don't Worry, Be Happy." :D

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Always hopeful for something better.

    Always nice to read about the vivid imaginations of the BC Tea Party folks right here. Well read isn't the correct word. Still one waits and hopes for a few pearls amid the pig droppings.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Tea Party?

    Tea Party? in B.C.? Sorry dude, wrong province and definately the wrong country. Go south and turn left (which is easy for the left wingers) and keep goin' until you get to Boston Massachusettes.

    These labels from the left wing are comical. BT the writer of the article uses labels from a Hollywood movie because he's not creative to think of any on his own, and Luke Skywalker here thinks of a BC version of a Tea Party that has supporters
    for that goofball former Alaska Governor who couldn't get even basic facts right.

    Go figure.

    Should have done more volunteer work out there in the field last April, kids. If ya did, you'd be whining about the NDP government, not the BC Liberals.

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Like I said...

    Still looking for pearls.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    If you want pearls, go to the store, not the farm.

    "Still looking for pearls."

    Obviously looking in the wrong place.

    If you want pearls, go to the fashion store. There's many available for purchase there.

    Kind of hard to find pearls amongst animals on a farm.

    No wonder the NDP is so weak. Even the supporters can't figure out the right direction to follow to get something they want..

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Take your pick, recall central

    Sure thing Luke,Gordon Campbell has soiled shorts,recall is coming,history,the first Government removed by recall....Take your pick luke,what ya gonna do when I come gunnin for you?

    The following are the final results of the British Columbia 2009 General Election, votes per electoral district:

    Electoral District LIB NDP REFD CP GP IND OTHER

    Boundary-Similkameen 6,681 5,869 0 3,596 1,691 0 0
    Burnaby North 9,880 9,332 0 0 1,292 0 0

    Burnaby-Lougheed 9,207 8,511 0 0 1,285 0 0

    Cariboo-Chilcotin 6,259 6,171 0 0 650 0 0

    Comox Valley 13,886 12,508 266 0 2,577 0 120

    Kamloops-North Thompson 9,830 9,320 251 0 1,418 0 124

    Maple Ridge-Mission 8,802 8,734 0 0 1,387 0 325

    Nechako Lakes 4,949 3,143 235 0 559 0 0

    North Vancouver-Lonsdale 10,289 7,758 0 842 1,778 0 232

    Oak Bay-Gordon Head 11,877 11,316 0 0 2,330 0 0

    Prince George-Mackenzie 9,816 6,452 0 0 1,245 0 0
    Prince George-Valemount 9,072 6,737 113 780 1,225
    Saanich South 11,215 11,697 0 0 1,664 0 235

    Stikine 3,829 4,274 0 0 375 0 0

    Vancouver-Fairview 11,034 9,881 37 0 2,232 165 85

    Vancouver-Fraserview 9,549 8,801 118 0 904 0 0

    Vancouver-Point Grey 11,546 9,232 0 0 2,012 0 130

    Vernon-Monashee 9,015 7,698 76 1,972 4,029 0 1,397

    Total Votes: 751,791 691,342 3,747 34,465 134,570 17,265 7,272
    % of Total Votes: 45.8% 42.1% 0.2% 2.1% 8.2% 1.1% 0.4%

    Burnaby North 48.2% 45.5% 0.0% 0.0% 6.3% 0.0% 0.0% 54.2% 2.7%

    Burnaby-Lougheed 48.5% 44.8% 0.0% 0.0% 6.8% 0.0% 0.0% 54.0% 3.7%

    Cariboo-Chilcotin 47.9% 47.2% 0.0% 0.0% 5.0% 0.0% 0.0% 65.5% 0.7%

    Comox Valley 47.3% 42.6% 0.9% 0.0% 8.8% 0.0% 0.4% 61.5% 4.7%

    Kamloops-North Thompson 46.9% 44.5% 1.2% 0.0% 6.8% 0.0% 0.6% 55.8% 2.4%

    Maple Ridge-Mission 45.7% 45.4% 0.0% 0.0% 7.2% 0.0% 1.7% 55.3% 0.4%

    North Vancouver-Lonsdale 49.2% 37.1% 0.0% 4.0% 8.5% 0.0% 1.1% 55.6% 12
    Oak Bay-Gordon Head 46.5% 44.3% 0.0% 0.0% 9.1% 0.0% 0.0% 66.8% 2.2%
    Parksville-Qualicum 51.4% 38.0% 0.9% 0.0% 9.6% 0.0% 0.0% 66.1% 13.4%

    Prince George-Valemount 50.6% 37.6% 0.6% 4.4% 6.8% 0.0% 0.0% 52.4% 13.0%

    Saanich South 45.2% 47.1% 0.0% 0.0% 6.7% 0.0% 0.9% 67.0% 1.9%

    Stikine 45.2% 50.4% 0.0% 0.0% 4.4% 0.0% 0.0% 69.0% 5.2%

    Surrey-Tynehead 52.5% 43.2% 0.0% 0.0% 4.3% 0.0% 0.0% 50.1% 9.3%

    Vancouver-Fairview 47.1% 42.2% 0.2% 0.0% 9.5% 0.7% 0.4% 57.3% 4.9%

    Vancouver-Fraserview 49.3% 45.4% 0.6% 0.0% 4.7% 0.0% 0.0% 51.6% 3.9%

    Vancouver-Point Grey 50.4% 40.3% 0.0% 0.0% 8.8% 0.0% 0.6% 56.4% 10.1%

    Vernon-Monashee 37.3% 31.8% 0.3% 8.2% 16.7% 0.0% 5.8% 53.8% 5.4%

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Gee whizz Batman

    Looks like a whole bunch of razor thin margins,look at all those close ridings the BC Lying Liberals won...

    I wonder how many of those riding will go for recall?

    Don`t be fooled folks, it`s only the canwest/global and the Stooges and missing links that say recall can`t be done!

    Look at those election results,40% is a snap,50% is a snap,60% is a snap...The anger will be fierce in the fall,everyone at home early in the fall,and we all know what happens in bi-elections...Sitting governments get trounced.

    Recall is a done deal....Yes indeed luke,BC Boy...

    Try not to stare or sweat on the keyboard.

    LOL LOL HE HE HA HA LOL LOL

  • .Luke.

    2 years ago

    Wrongway Feldman...

    Quote:
    Saanich South 45.2% 47.1% 0.0% 0.0% 6.7% 0.0% 0.9% 67.0% 1.9%

    Dude, get your compass right or you will continue to re-land on Gilligan's Island. And neither Ginger or Mary Ann will want anything to do with you. :D

    Saanich South is currently held by the NDP. :D

    Quote:
    LOL LOL HE HE HA HA LOL LOL

    No kidding.:D

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Oh Luke...

    Now that is sad....I saw my one little slip amongst all those others...

    I clicked post before I reviewed....But cmon,how sad are you Luke....

    I`m glad you perused each and every line I posted,your fear is Deafening, personally I just scroll right past your posts.

    But with all the government IPs visiting,oh indeed luke....Fear and loathing in BC

    Wasn`t Sean Holman who posted about the last all caucus meeting the Libs had,what was it titled,...

    "How best to fight recall"?

    All those close ridings,all those voters who were lied to, I even figure the Greens will be angry with fish farms,fish lake,enbridge .....

    Lets see,60 days to gather signature,even 10 canvassers collecting 100 signatures per day is 1000 votes per day...Xs times even 30 days is 30,000 signatures, all that Luke with but 10 canvassers.

    10 canvassers,10 blocks= 100 signatures each=1000 votes

    and 60 days to collect signatures, gee whizz,looks like a snap to me.

    Well, looks like "the Straight goods" will be recall central.

    Wanna join Luke...lol HE HE HA HA LOL

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Looking at past results isn't going to do it.

    Looking at past results isn't going to do it.

    Will take alot of effort and volunteers.

    So why would WR waste time copying election results when he could be out writing out how to organize a recall. Takes alot of planning to do it right.

    Een then if the recall is somehow successful, that same MLA can run again in the by-election. And just who would the NDP put up against the MLA?

    The NDP is getting to the bottom of the barrel when it comes to quality candidates.

  • .Luke.

    2 years ago

    Wrongway Feldman...

    Quote:
    Well, looks like "the Straight goods" will be recall central. Wanna join Luke...lol HE HE HA HA LOL

    Are you referring to this comedic website? :D

    http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/

    That site is like gettin' into Yuk Yuk's Comedy Club without even payin'. It's genuine slapstick Moe, Curley, and Larry stuff.:D

    Only a member of the Liberal PAB could be behind that routine. Seriously! The PAB have introduced a Trojan Horse onto the internet. :D

    Now what about Carole James???? The silence about Carole James here on the Tyee is deafening. I wonder why?!

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    HA HA LOLLOL

    Donna Barnett...Richard Lee..Need more be said.

    That pesky C Rail Trial..That pesky HST...That pesky $4 billion dollar deficit lie

    And all those closed schools,cancelled surgeriers, and the gaming grant cuts,waiting lists.

    And that whopper hydro bill,transit increases,the ICBC scoop...Teresan gas increases with gas prices falling off a cliff..

    All those cuts to the autistic,the disabled,and the lowest minimum wage in Canada, highest rate of child poverty for 7 years in a row.

    All that organizing, you mean the $50 dollar registration fee? You mean I should be talking to the 700 recall volunteers that have registered, well I think we will be talking soon,glad you are concerned.

    Like I said friends,a piece of cake,it is only the media that say how hard it is, 7 ridings,well,we are going for lucky 11.....

    Remind me to thank Jane Thornthwaite for appearing on the latest MADD poster,impressive.

    Cheers, thanks for your concern BC Boy,but we have enough volunteers already.

    Cheers

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Lots of work and little talk to do it right.

    "All those close ridings,all those voters who were lied to, I even figure the Greens will be angry with fish farms,fish lake,enbridge ....."

    Not nessesarily. Also consider that if there is a by-election in any of those the Greens will run candidates, taking away votes from the NDP.

    "Lets see,60 days to gather signature,even 10 canvassers collecting 100 signatures per day is 1000 votes per day...Xs times even 30 days is 30,000 signatures, all that Luke with but 10 canvassers."

    Forgetting that fact, that those signatures have to be registered voters, not just Joe and Mary Sixpack coming out of Timmies on Columbia Street in Kamloops. Each of those signatures will have to
    be of those who are registered voters. If there's
    even two or three of them that aren't, your whole
    project is in the trash can and you can't start
    again. This is a once only proposition.

    Kind of hard to get a volunteer to find 100 correct signatures in one day. That's about 25 to 30 per hour per volunteer straight assuming a 4 hour shift at one location. Can't be done.

    Few people will canvass 40 to 50 houses in one go,
    it's alot of walking.

    Can't be doing it just by standing around at Capilano Mall or Aberdeen Mall hoping someone will sign what is on the clipboard.

    "10 canvassers,10 blocks= 100 signatures each=1000 votes"

    Nope. Not even close. People aren't interested, they are more interested in the hockey game, they're not home home, or out back fixing the riding mower, or the boat or working on that report that's due in next week.

    "and 60 days to collect signatures, gee whizz,looks like a snap to me."

    It isn't. As the canvaseers who tried it after 2001
    found out. But you can try.

    "Well, looks like "the Straight goods" will be recall central."

    The only recall that will have any merit is another originating from Toyota or GM.

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Well Luke

    The Tyee usually only reports broken promises,lies,crime,drunken politicians,politicians awaiting trial,conflict of interest,endangering the public,dead wild salmon,toxic fish farms,IPPs contracts that will bankrupt BCHydro,school closing,suffering seniors,

    Eventually the Tyee will get around to honest caring ex school trustees.

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Oh BC BOY

    With all the unemployed people in BC they can collect signatures all day long...And elections BC supplies a voters list,

    It`s not complicated,...Here is an example..

    knock knock knock..Hello,hi,"would you like to recall the BC Liberal government"...."Yes I would"..."did you vote in the last election".."yes we did,my husband and I both voted"..."Sign here please"..."Thank you for your time,here is our phamplet with recall central phone numbers,let all your friends know we need to sign up everyone,have them call any of these numbers and we will be right over to get signatures"

    Now that wasn`t hard was it?

    Cheers

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    BC BOY

    Your letting fear into your posts...2001...77 seats to 2 seats...

    Not the same situation,people are interested,they hate Campbell,they hate the hst,hate lots of things.

    You get 60% of the voters to sign up to make sure you can overcome liberal sabateurs.

    And as you can see from those razor thin ridings,we don`t need 60,000 signatures,or even 30,000 signatures,most ridings we only need 10,000 signatues...

    60 days ...10,000 signatures..Gee whizz BC Boy..That is only 166 signatures per day,

    lets call it 200 per day for easy math

    200 divided by 10 = 20 signatures per canvasser per night,gee,that doesn`t sound that daunting does it?

    Sleep well Gordon Campbell,you can run but you can`t hide.LOL LOL LOL LOLHA HA HE HE HE

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    BC Boy

    And if a riding has a hundred canvassers?

    or 200 canvassers?

    Friends,you can see the fear in BC Boy`s post,even Luke`s last post about Carole James and a trojan horse,what happened there is a bolt of lightning,a shockwave just rattled the PAB.

    By George I think Luke and BC Boy just got it!

    Cheers

  • Tieleman

    2 years ago

    Bill Tieleman - "anti-democrat" who helped win the referendum

    Thanks for all the comments - what would we do without Polakite and BC Boy to kick around - but I have to laugh at ReeferMadness - the token - or it toakin' Green Party poster.

    Sorry Bud - but there was a democratic referendum on your much-beloved Single Transferable Vote - and it was crushed by the voters. From a 59% in favour vote in 2005 - before people had a chance to figure it out - to a 58% rejection in 2009.

    Anti-democratic eh? For leading a campaign against the STV where people actually got to hear both sides - thanks to government funding - and even though the YES TO STV side spent several hundred thousand dollars more - thanks to outside the province money from "Fair Voting Canada" - the STV forces lost?

    But keep at it ReeferMadness - maybe the STV will be adopted in another obscure island nation with a population the size of Malta's sometime this century.

    As to recall - BC Boy sure has a lot to say for someone who's not worried. Canada Day will be a great day for BC Liberals!

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Back again

    .Luke.

    Back again, spinning numbers - still no apology for your offensive personal defamatory attack on Rod Smelser.

    Anyone who reads or replies to anything you post is encouraging your egregious behavior.

    Why your IP hasn't been blocked is the only question I would like answered.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    This bill isn't payable

    And if a riding has a hundred canvassers?

    or 200 canvassers?

    200 cavanssers in each and every riding? Can't be done. The NDP didn't have that many in every riding last time.

    No fear here, just reading the comical comments. If BT and The ND's played the song last April, the NDP would be government.

    10,000 signatures? Quite a high number to aim for.

    If the minimum number of signatures from regsitered voters isn't reached in even one riding,
    the whole concept is in the trash can.

    But doesn't bother me at all. This is just watching.

    and recall? It will be attempted once again, and once again, it will fail.

    If all this effort was put in where it counted, the NDP would have bee elected.

    If the NDP came up with something the people don't like, would BT team up with The Zalm to stop it?

  • .Luke.

    2 years ago

    G West...

    Quote:
    Anyone who reads or replies to anything you post is encouraging your egregious behavior.

    Ummmm.... So why are ya readin' and replyin' ?!

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    BC Boy

    I am not talking about the HST initiative...

    I am talking about recall,"Recall in the Fall"

    You don`t recall every riding,only 7 to 11 close ridings...Recall 7 ridings,that`s all it takes,the HST initiative won`t work,recall will work.

    And recall will be run by citizens,not political parties,a grass roots drive for democracy.

    The NDP voters in those close ridings are enough for recall success,add the greens and independents and the criteria is meant.

    The HST crosses all political stripes,the deficit lie...What was the NDP so-called fudgit budget,$240 million deficit,what was Gordon Campbell`s budget whopper fib...$495 million maximum pre-election jumping to $3.6 billion dollars...

    And those massive BC Hydro bills everyone is getting,Hydro spikes to pay Finerva`s bloated wind power contract,dream on BC Boy..

    It`s only the Canwest "stooges" who say recall is too onerous.

    And as Bill T states,you sure have a lot to say about it for someone who claims they don`t care.

    Of course,Gordon Campbell could still do a Shawn Graham and reverse,ecxcept for that one little problem,Campbell has already spent the bribe via Olympic security....

    And you all think were getting big money from the Feds...HA HA LOL LOL

    Cheers-Eyes Wide Open

  • G West

    2 years ago

    I'm not reading your posts for content

    My remarks are meant for the editors of this place - who are the ones who need to address your continued presence here given your record for sliming someone - a person who didn't hide behind an assumed identity and posted here using his own name.

    You have no business here (under any guise). That's my opinion and I'll continue to make it known to other posters here who may not be familiar with your deplorable and personally abusive record.

    You can be sure I don't read your posts for content.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    The idea was the HST, first

    "I am not talking about the HST initiative..."

    That's the first step, and people's interest right now.

    I am talking about recall,"Recall in the Fall"

    You don`t recall every riding,only 7 to 11 close ridings...Recall 7 ridings,that`s all it takes,the HST initiative won`t work,recall will work."

    Hmm this is interesting. BT is heavily involved with The Zalm when it comes to the anti-HST project.

    "And recall will be run by citizens,not political parties,a grass roots drive for democracy."

    Not exactly. Expect a few "borrowed" NDPers to assist (if they are asked) since they know who exactly are the supporters are.

    "The NDP voters in those close ridings are enough for recall success,add the greens and independents and the criteria is meant."

    Obviously not enough of them to get the NDP candidate elected last year, when it would actually count.

    "The HST crosses all political stripes,the deficit lie...What was the NDP so-called fudgit budget,$240 million deficit,what was Gordon Campbell`s budget whopper fib...$495 million maximum pre-election jumping to $3.6 billion dollars..."

    The HST doesn't cross all political stripes. Just a few NDPers that want to fix what they broke, the
    success of their campaign last year.

    "And those massive BC Hydro bills everyone is getting,Hydro spikes to pay Finerva`s bloated wind power contract,dream on BC Boy.."

    Actually that's wrong. The two are not related other than the execs. The bill increase will pay for much needed improvements to the hydro delivery system. Only a fool would like the Finera's wind power project to increases in BC Hydro rates.

    "It`s only the Canwest "stooges" who say recall is too onerous."

    Canwest hasn't anytthing to with it. If they do, cite?

    "And as Bill T states,you sure have a lot to say about it for someone who claims they don`t care."

    Bill T. is off his rocker. I find this comical. The anti-HST is going to fail and so is recall.

    Think again and go over it once more. If by chance there is a recall, that same MLA that was recalled can run again, and such recalls have never been overly successful in BC.

    "Of course,Gordon Campbell could still do a Shawn Graham and reverse,ecxcept for that one little problem,Campbell has already spent the bribe via Olympic security...."

    Yeah right.

    "And you all think were getting big money from the Feds...HA HA LOL LOL"

    What does that have to do with recall. Ease up on the sugar, suger.

    Cheers-Eyes Wide Open

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Recall - THE HISTORY LESSON

    In fact, although it didn't actually go to the wire in a technical sense - much the same thing happened in the USA when Richard Nixon resigned - recall DID succeed very nicely in this province.

    It's interesting too that it was a Gordon Campbell Liberal who felt the lash in that instance - and for exactly the same sort of disreputable behavior that characterized the first term of the Gordon Campbell Government - ie, phony communications purporting to pump up BC Liberals and their policies.

    For anyone who needs a refresher course on BC Liberal tactics it's an interesting read.

    Here's a short refresher from the Canadian Parliamentary Review.

    Quote:
    Resignation of Member

    Quote:
    On June 23rd, following events that garnered national attention, MLA Paul Reitsma resigned as member for Parksville-Qualicum. Mr. Reitsma was discovered to have been writing letters to local newspapers under an assumed name in which he attacked his political opponents and praised himself. Following disclosure of the letters, he was removed from the Liberal caucus, and local residents launched a recall campaign under the Recall and Initiative Act - the only such legislation in Canada. When it appeared that enough signatures had been collected on the recall petition to enable recall, Mr. Reitsma announced his resignation...

    From Vol 21, No 3, (1998) of THE CANADIAN PARLIAMENTARY REVIEW

    It would appear BC Liberal policy has since changed considerably in respect of members (and a Premier for that matter) actually taking their responsibilities to the public and the voters seriously.

    Reitsma did NOT run in the election.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    He would have lost

    "Reitsma did NOT run in the election."

    Correct he didn't. It would have been foolhardy for him to do so. The incidence of the recall had to do with Reitsma's writing letters to the local newspaper, not an atrribution of any provincial policy.

    So the recall was launched against Reitsma himself, not against the BC Liberal government.

    The recall campaign against Campbell in his riding was done in opposition to the BC Liberal goverment at the time.

    The two are quite different.

    The recalls that are supposedly going to end successfully, won't.

    Would have been much better if BT and the ND's
    had just worked harder to market the song to get to the top of the charts last year

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Nothing had changed

    This:
    It would appear BC Liberal policy has since changed considerably in respect of members (and a Premier for that matter) actually taking their responsibilities to the public and the voters seriously.

    is still Campbell policy

  • G West

    2 years ago

    This is mangled

    What's obvious is that BCLiberal members and the Leader don't think 'anything' is a resigning matter any more...maybe a few seccessful recall petitions would make them realize how irresponsibly they are handling the public's business...it would at least let them know that they don't have carte blanche to fuck with the citizens any longer in the way they have been doing for the past 10 years.

  • North of Hope

    2 years ago

    I'll say it again

    I heard this while watching "Mad Men" and it reminded me of Campbell and the BC Liberals. _"It wasn't a lie, it was ineptitude with insufficient cover."

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    and did the NDP?

    "What's obvious is that BCLiberal members and the Leader don't think 'anything' is a resigning matter any more...maybe a few seccessful recall petitions would make them realize how irresponsibly they are handling the public's business...it would at least let them know that they don't have carte blanche to fuck with the citizens any longer in the way they have been doing for the past 10 years."

    well as did the NDP, remember?

    Ease up on the sugar, sugar.

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    The NDP is the standard

    If the liberals measure themselves by the standard of the NDP in the 90's, and it might be interesting to see a poll done on that at present, the word in the coffee shops is that Campbell has to go and when you probe deeper there is not much hope for the other liberals who sat on their butts letting him shaft all their constituents. I''l take a few fast ferries any day compared to the squandering of resources, payoffs to friends and waste. All the lies are covered by a thin layer of obfuscation. Insufficient cover.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    NDP is a standard for the wrong thing

    "If the liberals measure themselves by the standard of the NDP in the 90's, "

    Doubt that. In quality assurance a standard is a
    benchmark, a base result, a common acceptable level
    of quality or operand. The NDP was below any pereived level of standards in government. The 2 to
    77 result in 2001 indicates that.

    "and it might be interesting to see a poll done on that at present,"

    Polls are done almost every day. Accept or disregard. Your choice.

    "the word in the coffee shops is that Campbell has to go and when you probe deeper there is not much hope for the other liberals who sat on their butts letting him shaft all their constituents."

    So why didn't that happen last year? The NDP and their supporters certainly didn't work the previous poster's statement last April.

    "I''l take a few fast ferries any day compared to the squandering of resources, payoffs to friends and waste. All the lies are covered by a thin layer of obfuscation. Insufficient cover."

    Definately that from the NDP. The NDP squandered resources, catered to the tree huggers (resulting in the loss of the Kennedy Forest Division in Ucluelet, and the IWA jobs that went with it, and NDP hacks being appointed to Crown Corporations such as BC Hydro and BC Ferries.

    Might as well start over.

    You can start with replacing Carole James as leader
    and actually set some policies that the public might like.

    Complaining and calling for Campbell's resignation is fast wearing thin.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    NDP is a standard for the wrong thing

    "If the liberals measure themselves by the standard of the NDP in the 90's, "

    Doubt that. In quality assurance a standard is a
    benchmark, a base result, a common acceptable level
    of quality or operand. The NDP was below any pereived level of standards in government. The 2 to
    77 result in 2001 indicates that.

    "and it might be interesting to see a poll done on that at present,"

    Polls are done almost every day. Accept or disregard. Your choice.

    "the word in the coffee shops is that Campbell has to go and when you probe deeper there is not much hope for the other liberals who sat on their butts letting him shaft all their constituents."

    So why didn't that happen last year? The NDP and their supporters certainly didn't work the previous poster's statement last April.

    "I''l take a few fast ferries any day compared to the squandering of resources, payoffs to friends and waste. All the lies are covered by a thin layer of obfuscation. Insufficient cover."

    Definately that from the NDP. The NDP squandered resources, catered to the tree huggers (resulting in the loss of the Kennedy Forest Division in Ucluelet, and the IWA jobs that went with it, and NDP hacks being appointed to Crown Corporations such as BC Hydro and BC Ferries.

    Might as well start over.

    You can start with replacing Carole James as leader
    and actually set some policies that the public might like.

    Complaining and calling for Campbell's resignation is fast wearing thin.

  • .Luke.

    2 years ago

    Skywalker...

    Quote:
    The NDP is the standard

    Another line that would make it into the top 10 of Yuk Yuk's Comedy Club.

    Just 7 months after being elected in October, 1991, the NDP government fell into a pro-longed preiod of misery. Same thing now happening in Nova Scotia with NDP scandals all over the place. Nova Scotia NDP premier Dexter has the same popularity as Gordo.

    1. The Nanaimo Charity Swindle "Acting Like a Bank for the NDP".

    2. Criminal Investigations - Dave Stupich, Bob Williams, Dave Barrett, et al - All NDP stalwarts.

    3. NDP MLA sexual miscounduct - Blencoe;

    4. NDP MLA profesional misconduct - Sihota;

    5. NDP friends and Insiders sucking at the public teet;

    5. Awarding $5 million in untendered contracts to one NDP insider;

    Quote:
    Extravagant budgets in 1992 and 1993 that raised taxes by more than 25 per cent angered middle-class supporters

    And that's just scratching the surface.

    And what did the public of BC think?

    Liberal - 67%
    Reform - 10%
    NDP - 17%

    http://www.mustelgroup.com/pr/20001106.htm

    A 50% spread between the Liberals and NDP. And what's the latest ARS spread? Just 8%. Speaks volumes.

    Diehard NDP'ers here act like blind mice - over and over again.

    Once Watts or Taylor takes over the helm watch those large Liberal spreads make a comeback. You can bank on it. ;)

  • Whiskey River

    2 years ago

    Oh Luke

    But you forget,Glen Clark didn`t have 2 T.V stations working for him.

    And Lukey ...Those are the Liberals polling numbers after the Olympic bounce....Now the long slide into tax HELLLLLLLlllll.

    And one problem with your scenario...Carole Taylor isn`t coming back,she is very happy making $300K per year plus bonuses working for the TD bank.

    Dianne Watts,wrong again Luke...Her and Campbell have gone seperate ways...And you are forgetting about Larry, Moe and Curly..Falcon,De Jong,Coleman....

    Perhaps you need to meet Premier Rich Coleman!

    http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2010/02/premier-rich-coleman.html

    Cheers from your friendly neighborhood Persuader!

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    They're twins!

    It's pretty obvious that BC Boy and Luke are twins lobotomized at birth to make them Campbell lovers. Same old same old incorrect facts, interpretations, conclusions drawing parallels where there are none, ignoring the results of court cases and full of bravado and bluster, sound and fury signifying what? Stink up the whole discussion around the article in the hopes that none of it makes sense to anyone. Yes, they are twins. Nobody spends that kind of time here unless they are paid to destroy an independent news site. Scared spitless they are and boy does it do my heart good.

    You know with all your shite Bill Tielmann still rocks and you guys just plain suck just like your leader.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Not very likely

    "It's pretty obvious that BC Boy and Luke are twins lobotomized at birth to make them Campbell lovers."

    Sorry, wrong. Not even close.

    "Same old same old incorrect facts, interpretations, conclusions drawing parallels where there are none, ignoring the results of court cases and full of bravado and bluster, sound and fury signifying what?

    This is comical to say the least.

    "Stink up the whole discussion around the article in the hopes that none of it makes sense to anyone."

    and do left wingers make any sense? And then there's the comon about 'stinking up the discussion'. Is the previous poster some kind of
    contribution constable??

    "Yes, they are twins. Nobody spends that kind of time here unless they are paid to destroy an independent news site."

    Left wingers do.

    "Scared spitless they are and boy does it do my heart good. "

    Might want to ease up on that political cholesterol
    such as The Tyee. Nice for a snack, but not good
    for living on.

    "You know with all your shite Bill Tielmann still rocks and you guys just plain suck just like your leader."

    BT definately has the s--. just take out the ending 'e' and you'll get the correct description
    of the quality of his writing. Add in biased and you'll have his full meal offering on the plate.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    .Luke.

    My remarks are meant for the editors of this place - who are the ones who need to address your continued presence here given your record for sliming someone - a person who didn't hide behind an assumed identity and posted here using his own name.

    You have no business here (under any guise). That's my opinion and I'll continue to make it known to other posters here who may not be familiar with your deplorable and personally abusive record.

    You can be sure I don't read your posts for content.

  • .Luke.

    2 years ago

    Skywalker...

    Quote:
    You know with all your shite Bill Tielmann still rocks and you guys just plain suck just like your leader.

    Gawd I agree Gordo sucks! That's why either Watts or Taylor will take over the helm. Nothin' to worry 'bout there. ;)

    And I suppose you bow down to your DEAR LEADER Carole James every day! :D

    Those who throw rocks from glass houses... :D

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Is a certain poster a comment constable?

    "You have no business here (under any guise)."

    Is that for the previous poster to decide who is here and who is not? I doubt that.

    "That's my opinion and I'll continue to make it known to other posters here who may not be familiar with your deplorable and personally abusive record."

    Is that important?

    "You can be sure I don't read your posts for content."

    The previous poster obviously did, otherwise there would not be a response such as that which was set by the previous poster.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    BC Boy

    That poster -.Luke.- used the vilest possible tactics to slime a contributor here who posted under his real name; he is, in my view, beyond the pale and was banned from Tyee for his behavior.

    He has never apologized and, in my view, is still in violation of the rules here.

    I know the editors are busy - but allowing this guy back is not something that should go unremarked...

    I don't respond to his posts - I simple react to his presence here - as should anyone who cares about decency and fairness.

  • .Luke.

    2 years ago

    BC Boy

    G West never has much to contribute on this site except for stalking people with goofy posts and supporting creeps.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    Easy there cowboy

    "G West never has much to contribute on this site except for stalking people with goofy posts and supporting creeps."

    Easy there, cowboy. He has his rightful purpose in a place here like everyone else does.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Thanks for that BC Boy

    Not something I expected to have to say.

    .Luke., on the other hand, has NO PLACE here. What he did and said about Rod Smelser in posts at Tyee is not something that can be ignored or swept under the carpet.

    The fact he's back here posting again with impunity tends to make the whole purpose and mission of The Tyee a bad joke.

    But don't take my word for it, ask around.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Further - BC Boy

    I can't show you the worst of luke skywalker's (.Luke.) work. The things that got him banned have been removed from the record but his personal attack on Rod Smelser was, frankly, disgusting. It even included posted pictures of Rod that .Luke. found in other loctions on the internet - along with disgusting personal slanders and unfounded garbage. When Rod responded to Luke's postings by calling him a propagandist Rod was also banned.

    Unlike Luke, Rod has stayed away.

    You can pick up a little of the sense of what things were like here last summer if you check the comments on this thread:

    http://thetyee.ca/Tyeenews/2009/07/08/TyeeRedesign/

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    Hey Bill.

    Can you write up another article soon. The twins here will go into withdrawal soon. Next thing you know they will be drafting Ann Coulter for Premier.

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