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Is Obama Good for Canada?
How the US choice for president really affects us up here.
A tone that resonates.
The old Jewish joke about an earthquake in China goes, "terrible news, but is it bad for the Jews?" Among my people this is called the elephant question.
Every time I am asked to comment on the American presidential campaign on the radio, the host invariably asks me what the outcome will mean for Canada. I call this the moose question.
Usually the question is framed very specifically -- what will the choice mean for NAFTA? Will the new American administration turn protectionist?
Issues, bigger and smaller
A few months ago, at the height of the Democratic primary battle, both candidates made protectionist noises, as Democrats are wont to do during election cycles despite the fact Bill Clinton negotiated NAFTA in the first place. As most readers will recall, this became an issue in the Ohio and Pennsylvania primaries when someone in the Harper high command slipped the news to American news sources that although Barack Obama might talk tough on trade, it would only be campaign chatter and shouldn't be taken seriously in the Great White North. It is possible that this report hurt Obama among working class voters who believe that NAFTA has done them in. Heads rolled in the Obama advisory hierarchy.
But the truth of the matter is that that report was almost certainly accurate.
It is highly unlikely that Obama would reopen NAFTA. He has many more far pressing matters at hand -- Iraq, Afghanistan, the Middle East, restoring good relations with Europe abroad; tax raises, bank bailouts (yes, this crisis will continue), and the deep recession at home. Trade issues fall below the radar of great big and immediate concerns, the only concerns that matter in American governance, or for that matter our own.
Besides, a re-opened trade treaty would mean that Canada would bring the oil card to the table -- on balance, the Americans would have as much if not more to lose than Canada in a fundamental revision of NAFTA.
Sleeping dogs will stay asleep.
Is the neighbour healthy?
But the trade issue is far from the most important consideration for Canadians when they consider the American election in November.
Most significant for us is how the Americans manage their economy. A deep depression down south will spill over to us. A fiscal crisis down there would tear at our financial structures as well. An invasion of Iran or another new military adventure, or conversely, an early exit from Iraq would have major implications for the world balance of power, not just the health of the American armed forces.
More important than strategic or even economic considerations, however, is a seemingly more intangible factor -- the moral quality of American international hegemony. As Barack Obama demonstrated to 200,000 cheering Berliners yesterday, Europeans, Canadians and for that matter people all over the globe are deeply responsive to the tone of the American president, whoever he or she might be. George W. Bush has infuriated most of the world by his belligerent and ignorant approach to a wider world about which he has shown no desire to learn or to negotiate with as equal partners.
Of course wider forces govern American foreign policy; corporate and governmental greed for power and wealth do not change all that much no matter who is in the White House.
And yet presidential tone is terribly important, both because all people want to be understood and respected, and because most people understand intuitively that a healthy American government that is engaged in a positive way with the American people is a better ally than an internally divided and demoralized administration.
Roosevelt's reach
Over the decades, I was taught to consider this core factor of American foreign relations by older generations of Canadians. As do most professors, I get many requests for community speaking, all pro bono of course. Usually I try to wriggle out of such engagements, but I have always loved talking with seniors' groups. Typically I lecture very briefly on a subject through which they have lived and then get out of the way while they inform me how events felt to them back in the day. In the '70s and '80s, I usually put the Depression or the Second World War on the table. If the '30s was being discussed, several of the seniors would make the point that Franklin D. Roosevelt had been their beacon of hope in that dreary and frightening time. By contrast, R.B. Bennett, and W.L. McKenzie King gave them the feeling that the Canadian government was essentially indifferent to their suffering. But FDR's famously optimistic and stirring radio fireside chats reached them and gave them inspiration and hope for their future. If he could right the leaking ship of the United States, surely Canada would follow along the road back to confidence and prosperity.
The first time I heard this analysis I was surprised, but as it came up over and over again I truly learned what ordinary Canadians believed was most important about American electoral politics and governmental policies. What matters most to us is the social, political and moral health of our neighbors.
Obama, the Canadians' choice
Something like 80 per cent of Canadians prefer Obama this time around, and hope that he will set the tone for a future that is bound to spill over to us. Most Americans also believe that their country is headed in the wrong direction. Whether that will lead to an Obama election remains to be seen. Surely John McCain also will try to run as the candidate of change, but whether he can free himself from the Bush shipwreck remains to be seen.
Yes, it matters who gets elected down there; no, it is not all or even all that much about free trade. That is what I try to tell radio hosts if I am given the time before they pass on to the traffic report or the weather or other matters of more pressing concern.
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alive
3 years ago
we can hope
the United States enjoyed a tremendous amount of support and gratitude after the second world war.
Since then, "the ugly american" attitude has slowly eroded this.
Together with the capitalistic demands before any help was forthcoming to third world countries, the US has slowly but surely alienated itself from practically every country on this planet.
The demonstration in Berlin shows that people still hope that there is some decency left, given a new candidate for the White House.
NAFTA is equally supported here by the multinational corporations as they know no borders anyway, only profit.
Given the governments we have, expect no changes being initiated from here.
We may see an easing of our borders, simply because it impedes commerce.
The change of importance would be a reversal of the Bush attitudes towards :Forrningers" or however he pronounces it.
Van Isle
3 years ago
Isn't it interesting how the
Isn't it interesting how the world has endorsed Obama and how he's gonna change things. In a pigs eye he's gonna change things; he's A PRODUCT OF THE SYSTEM, AND HE'S NOT GONNA BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS HIM. He has already started to back-peddle on some of the issues that were mentioned during the primary campaingning. Just listen to his speech yesterday in Berlin, the war in Iraq will be down-sized with combat troops; but hey, what about the occuping troops? Those combat troops from Iraq won't be going home, they'll be schuffled off to Afghanistan. The sorry thing about him is that he's just going to piss-off more Americans who actually thought that things were going to change and the product will be is more cynical people towards politians. On the bright side; he won't be re-elected in 2012 because 1) he just pissed-off a buch of people and 2) he'll be blamed for the huge economic mess that the US is in and it won't be fixed in 2012.
BC Mary
3 years ago
Social, political, moral health of our neighboUrs
Actually, I dropped in at The Tyee today to see if I had been banned during my absence. Nope, I haven't (as you can tell). This is somewhat disappointing, as I understand that Tyee bannings are being awarded as some sort of special status for those who are good historians and analysts. Dang.
Well, now that I'm here ... and searching around for something to sink teeth into ... I noticed a paragraph which, for a bright moment, brought back the olden days of substantive Tyee discussions.
Out of that utterly stupefyingly, endlessly boring fixation upon U.S. election campaigns, came Michael Fellman's perceptive comment, where he says:
I truly learned what ordinary Canadians believed was most important about American electoral politics and governmental policies. What matters most to us is the social, political and moral health of our neighbors.
Yes. Yes!
RickW
3 years ago
If this is any indication.....
http://fpwatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/critique-ken-silverstein-on-china.html
It will be "business as usual" whether it's McCain or Obama as Prez......
lynn
3 years ago
Name that Tune
Tone in this case is like Madonna feigning a British accent.
It's more about the song that the US and its two main presidential contenders continue to sing. Hand proudly on heart.
The real music at play here:
God Bless The US Military- Industrial Complex.
With NAFTA, Canada became just a choir boy forced to hum along.... while lighting the candles on the US Altar of War.
ME2
3 years ago
Obama will mean little to us.
Fellman notes that Obama, if elected, will hve his hands too full with dealing with US' critical internal problems to worry about our gripes.
Fair enough, but what is even more worthy of note is that even if he was receptive, Harper, Dion, and Co would be loathe to renegotiate NAFTA etc anyway, since these pacts dovetail with their support of Globalism.
West End Bound
3 years ago
The more things "change" . . . .
What Van Isle said . . . .
kurt
3 years ago
No matter who
Anything will be better than bush...
SharingIsGood
3 years ago
ABB -ABC -ABD - ABH
Anyone But Bush
Anyone But Campbell
Anyone But Dion
Anyone But Harper
In terms of the above, I, like BC Mary, found myself pausing on the profundity of the statement:
I truly learned what ordinary Canadians believed was most important about American electoral politics and governmental policies. What matters most to us is the social, political and moral health of our neighbors.
I also agree with Lynn's assessment of Canada's supporting role in the US military industrial presentation:
If I Can't Have It for Myself, I'll Squeeze It and Punish It for Being
otherwise known as:
[i] Bring on the dancing girls and the flashing lights; we're going to Hooters in our Lincoln SUV right after we flip this overpriced, overdone house and pay off our mortgage - just like they done on HGTV! [i]
mopled
3 years ago
Funny how the obvious hides
Really, who wants to live next door to the equivalent of a biker gang.
I'm saddened to see that our hopes will be dashed again. The people who will be running things are the same old Rockefeller Foundation types.
And just a point of information:
We could get out of NAFTA on six months notice, but the energy provisions would be in effect for another 19 years.
SharingIsGood
3 years ago
NAFTA - Mopled
Isn't the energy provision the one provision that really counts? The others seem to be so much fluff in comparison. The energy has to do with oil (and the associated pollution), the damming damning our rivers, and Canada's ability to harness its energy for our own purposes. As Ed Deak would be saying, money is all about energy - it is his thermo-dynamic principle of economics.
Jack's
3 years ago
right on mopled...
It really doesn't matter whom the U.S. public decides upon. American politics will continue to be the protectionist, constantly fund-raising, snail's pace machine that it has been for the last 20 years.
But I don't think they're ready for a black president.
alive
3 years ago
Reality TV
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just as we are not ready for a prime minister and government that favours the underdogs of society!
We, in Canada are as brainswashed as the US citizens; imagine if we had an Indo-Canadian as a potential candidate? Turban and all?
We all fail to look at the issues and get wound up in how well the contenders perform on TV.
RickW
3 years ago
US Strategic Petroleum Reserve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve
RickW
3 years ago
PS to the above
I would say rather, that Canada is very good for the US, regardless of which Prez is Prez...........
Lefty
3 years ago
The moose question
I always heard it fashioned as "If Canada were in the shape of a moose, where would the asshole be?" Some people think he is in the PM's office.
I don't believe the question is relevent, the absorption of Canada into the USA will continue. Our quisling leaders will sell out . As Golda Mier said there are no Palestinians so will a USA prez say "There are no Canadians".
Emerson is already barking about the need for soldiers in the Heroin Factory.
The show goes on, the very air you breath should be privatized so says the Fraser Institute.
Budd Campbell
3 years ago
OBAMA WILL MAKE MORE CHANGES THAN CRACKPOT IDEOLOGUES EVER WILL
Isn't it interesting how the world has endorsed Obama and how he's gonna change things. In a pigs eye he's gonna change things; he's A PRODUCT OF THE SYSTEM, AND HE'S NOT GONNA BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS HIM.
Well, one thing's for sure, Van Isle2. President Obama is going to make a lot more changes to this world than political bloggers and left or right wing ideologues ever will.
As for not biting the hand that feeds, tell us Van Isle2, what great risks do you take in order to challenge the status quo on, say, Vancouver Island?
RickW
3 years ago
Obama's Chicago Boys
http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2008/06/obamas-chicago-boys
Yes, he IS going to make a lot of changes -- sort of the way Hitler made a lot of changes.
Frank
3 years ago
Same as the old boss
I think its become increasingly obvious since we discussed Obama, Nader and Kucinich months ago that Mr Obama is not very progressive at all.
No wonder many on the US Left are turning away in disgust.
wakeywakeyppl
3 years ago
OBAMA is another puppet
Van Isle said it best.
Jack's fails to realize that Obama is only kinda black, in other words only his skin. Nothing will change for the have nots.
Budd Campbell needs to do some real research and quit relying on mass media. Budd begin by watching the following..... www.zeitgeistmovie.com and then "loose change" as well as reading "1984" by George Orwell & "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. Perhaps after that you can try "The Chrysalids" and watch "who killed the electic car". There are many more.
Alive's quote "We, in Canada are as brainswashed as the US citizens" is so true!!! Get informed and see who runs the mass media.