off-topic

You're off-topic already Luke. What does your poll dance have to do with the story?

Honesty is not a side issue

The economy is front in center,jobs are disappearing in BC faster at any other time in history,6 BC Liberal deficits in 10 years(if elected,but they will get wiped)
More debt added to BCers future,olympic lies,cambie merchants crushed.Campbell running rough shot over every communities,ethics are important to BCers,BC Liberals have no ethics,Gordon Campbell ....

A PROVEN LIAR and a PROVEN LAW BREAKER, no wonder all 4 Burnaby ridings are going NDP...

http://www.robbinsscereseaech.com/polls/poll_573.html

Yes,no doubt people are worried about jobs,they are an endangered species in BC,so are HONEST Campbell Liberals.

All 4 Burnaby ridings go NDP

http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/poll/poll_573.html

Oppps.......

One moe time,all 4 Burnaby ridings going to the NDP

http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_573.html

More distractions Luke

Jim Doyle was DEFEATED as MAYOR of Golden by, a 39 year old rookie/Jim Doyle doesn`t look to good in a dress,or maybe he does,he couldn`t run for the NDP/he lost as a incumbent to a rookie,the EX MAYOR of Golden is welcome to be a LIBERAL LOSER.....

If your going to describe someone Luke,don`t call them Mayor of Golden when they are private citizens!

Read about the rookie Indo-Canadian who beat Jim Doyle for mayor of Golden

http://www.nriinternet.com/NR/politicians/CANADA/BC/A_Z/V/AMAN_VIRK/index.htm

Sorry about the link

Read about Jim Doyles defeat as mayor of Golden here........

http://www.nriinternet.com/NRIpoliticians/CANADA/BC/A_Z/V/AMAN_VIRK/index.htm

I don`t what happened with that link....

Here is what Bill Tieleman wrote about the loser Jim Doyle

http://billtieleman.blogspot.com/2008/11/carole-james-and-ndp-probably-think-one.html

Luke, perhaps it's Campbell's gutting of

resource industries that's causing such desperation in BC small towns. As they say, hard times test character. and if you're willing to join the bc liberals your grade is a D-minus...Actually, what I think is interesting is that the NDP is attracting star candidates, like the federal ndp mp who's stepping down in new west to run for the ndp, and that lady who stood up to campbell in the teacher's strike, unlike the bc neoliberals, who can't even get arthur griffiths to run for them again, it'd be sad, if wasn't the bc liberals...

luke, that was a federal poll you cited, the May election is provincial, but we all know the right-wing crack of ANECDOTAL POLLS excites righties...luke: as William S. Burroughs said -the surest sign of a shit is that he always has to be right...sound like anyone you know, luke...?

Honesty and integrity......

It looks like John Les and Wally Oppal have company in the honesty and integrity catagory!

Move over John Les,make room for Kash Heed.

It appears that Kash Heed is already under a cloud of suspician,funny how they end up going to the Campbell Liberals.

"birds of a feather flock together"

"brilliant minds think alike or idiots seldom differ"

Looks like the EX west Vancouver police chief had a reason to resign,i guess he thinks Gordon Campbell can save him,I don`t think so!

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Former+West+police+chief+denies+interfered+with+probe/1371096/story.html

LSWalker

No wonder at all, Luke. They realised where the freebe stuff is at, and want to get on that bandwagon........they should have jumped four years ago though. Now it's too late.

Ladysmith mayor Rob Hutchins

is a whiner....Of course he's going to say things like, "And yes, until recently I have been a member of the NDP. But I have found myself distancing myself from the NDP, especially over the last few years." He's been a PAC member for years and he's pouting because he never got the nomination and he wants to be in provincial politics. What a catch for the Liberals. Kinda like Gordon Wilson from Liberal, to PDA, to NDP. Don't know what the guys believes in (if in fact, anything).

BC: The Most Beautiful Place on Earth?

BC: The Most Corrupt Place on Earth!

Back to the Jet ride...........

What other mis-deeds was Gordon Campbell up too at that time......

As Gordon Campbell slunk out of the country,he was very busy,he had just finished signing a illegal document cutting off funding for autistic adults with IQs over 70!

And he just gave the top civil servants massive pay-raises including a 104.000.00 a year raise to Jessicca MacDonald bringing her total pay package to 348.000.00 per year plus expenses,wow,imagine how much pay she would get if she had an advanced education!

These were the items Gordon Campbell was busy with at that time,then he flew away to Bejiing with his long time freind and developer,blasting a massive carbon footprint all the way.
This election is just getting warmed up,and Gordon Campbell is going to get pummeled!
Wait until another few thousand Vancouver workers get told their laid off for a month,I wonder if Colin Hansen is subtracting this off his olympic fudget budget numbers!

Jim Doyle

A disgruntled LOSER

http://www.nriinternet.com/NRIpoliticians/CANADA/BC/A_Z/V/Aman_Virk/index.htm

Where's the Beef

"Where's the Beef" He got a free ride to represent BC. Thats cheaper than chartering a whole plane isn't it!

Carol James need to get on board.

Jstog......

And Campbell is going to get a free ride into retirement when he gets pummeled in the may election!

By the way,its rude to open up links,just leave the link,don`t bother opening it,that Mustel poll isn`t worth the paper its written on!
It was a staged poll,all set up to be released on the bill good show,it`s useless,but you cling to that poll Jstog,call it your security blanket.

Never Mind the Trip is Right

Where are all the Billions this Government has taken in on behalf of the Province? I mean it all those sells of BC Rail and Hydro and Oil and Gas Exploration and those Billions in Taxes and on and on and its all we have all heard about the Billions and Billions Campbell made possible as BC is rolling in the dough.

Now where is it? And I should would appreciate a straight answer and a full accounting of what the Liberals have been up to with tax payers money?

There are a good number of undecided in Mustel Group 30% thats a lot of votes for
sure.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29536748#29536748

Jstog

LOL,HA HA lol lol ha ha--The PAB must be desperate,opening their store bought poll,lol ha ha, may 12th is gonna be sweet,BYE BYE CAMPBELL.....

Hello Premier Carole James

Start the 1/2 dozen public inquiries followed by law suits against Campbell!

Quarry Bay

Quarry Bay

Quarry..... What language you speaking? I didn't open up anything, just posted an image in my comment! In Reply to what you posted. No its not paper.

Rude? Who? Now Lets see.

[quarry bay] [3 days ago] [EDITED FOR INSULTING ANOTHER COMMENTER.]

[quarry bay] [5 days ago] [FOR THE LAST TIME, QUARRY BAY, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM PERSONAL INSULTS OF OTHER COMMENTERS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU MAY THINK OF THEIR IDEAS. THAT IS A CLEAR GUIDELING FOR TYEE COMMENT THREADS AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO BLOCK YOU IF YOU CONTINUE -- TYEE MODERATOR.] (scratched out off topic sorry)
Oh dear the list goes on... Now Thats rude

If Carol James gets elected so be it.But Its highly unlikely in my opinion. The BC NDP needs restructuring, Its Doomed to failure as "The Sexist Party". I'll openly voice my opinion or opposition to the subject matter here and do reject [unnamed] bullies.

Huh The City of Vancouver uses Mustel polls too.

Now Back on topic. So If Carol James or anyone in government catches a ride to work with someones else, You think they should fill out a "conflict disclosure form"?

A new dog of war.............

.........I see the Liberal machine has a "New dog of war" and it is JStog. It seems he has great computer savvy (note poll postings) and has gone to a great deal of trouble to discredit Quarry Bay.

Like Luke, JStog is to get the 'message out' and if unable, get the debate off subject, just as Luke did and what JStog is trying to do.

Note on polling: My sources in the industry are very worried that polling may not be accurate as many people are giving wrong answers and it is not reaching a demographic population under 40. (This is alright if under 40's don't vote).

And now here is the real story. BC Czar, Gordon Campbell and his wife got free rides from political friend Jack Poole and did not bother to report it as a gift.

Should he done so? Yes!

I don't know why all the fuss is about, as the man clearly thinks he is better than everyone else and that Czars care nothing for the rule of law. But there is something niggling me, why release the dogs of war on this one? Has Luke and JStog overplayed their hand? Is there something more? Have a closer look and one may find a smoking gun!

"So If Carol James or anyone

"So If Carol James or anyone in government catches a ride to work with someones else, You think they should fill out a "conflict disclosure form"?"

If you're so ethically barren that the only justification you have for a clear conflict of interest is theoretical and lame scenarios involving other people who have not done as you've done, then you have no business holding public office.

The issue isn't what James might do, it's what Campbell continues to do, which is reward the self-same people who will cushion his landing when he's tossed out of office for being the incompetent, self-serving, gutless ninny he's proven himself to be in his stint as a provincial leader.

Not a Machine

Grumpy

Not a Dog Not at War Not a liberal..... 3 nots your out ...Try again ...LOL Computer savy? hehe I wish!

discredit Quarry Bay??? He does that on his own, hurling insults at others.

GWest: Thanks the tip on the BCBusiness article. Interesting read.... Would Carol James answer some of those questions too. Be nice to compare them.

Frank: Good Answer ..... I'm keeping a list too.

Stump:

I've done what?
I Don't hold public office. sheesh. Barren eh! heh

The issue is will Carol James do anything different. Judging from the BC NDPs past record I doubt it.

Good morning Jstog...

Back to the PROVEN LIAR and PROVEN LAW BREAKER`S flight to China with a plane load of LOBBYISTS,that is the issue Jstog....
It is something called the "appearence of conflict of interest"

What did you say Jstog, "That`s cheaper than chartering a whole plane"

Does Gordon Campbell charter a plane 6 times a year when he goes to Maui? Does he charter a plane when he flys to Ottawa?

The issue is Gordon Campbell and his housemate accepting a BRIBE(gift) of 22.000.00$ dollars!
There are rules for disclosure,he was supposed to claim the value of the gift,that is how the rules work,now I wouldn`t be surprised if Gordon Campbell`s personal portfolio has been hammered considering Campbell`s investments in energy companies!
Besides his share of Carbon emissions for that one private jet trip amounts to driving a mid-sized car for 7 years,Jstog,would you say the same thing if Wally Oppal was on a private jet with a bunch of suspected international drug cartel members?
80% of the people of BC believe Gordon Campobell is not honest or trustworth!

And finally Jstog,did you only find 2 occasions where I was moderated?

I am sure that I have been moderated dozens of times for insulting Luke/Sir Johna/Wilf/Peru/Hydrogreen/Rman/you/ and many more.....

My dear freinds,I have seen the light,been reformed,I have no need to insult my freinds anymore,I now realize that they insults themselves far more than I could ever insult them..

"praise the lord" I have been re-born!

And MAY 12th the whole province of BC will be re-born will the election and new PREMIER CAROLE JAMES

Stump...

Hmmmmmmm.... But what if Carole James has already done the same thang? ;)

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=9ce34820-d911-4dd8-9325-892c106aecb9&k=25221

I know, I know.

In rebuttal you are now gonna say "But it's my skunk. My skunk doesn't stink.. but your skunk does!" :D

Oh Lukie.......

The issue is disclosure and the people of BC wouldn`t care if the country of China paid to have Gordon Campbell there,but what I find absolutely amazing LUKE.....

I guess the taiwanese goverment have COME to the SAME CONCLUSION as everyone else in BC.....

Gordon Campbell is OUT,hello PREMIER CAROLE JAMES!

Great column today by Michael Smyth,Michael SMYTH tells how Gordon Campbell lied to the people,lied to workers,broke his election promises about selling BC Rail,and he is saying BCers desrve answers.....

The answers are coming,starting MAY 13...

Here is the Michael Smyth column.......

http://www2.canada.com/theprovince/columnists/story.html?id=881ee5c5-56be-42e3-bf81-17c5054cca1b

Oh not at all

Carole James is NOT the Premier of the province.

CEO Campbell is.

There's a big difference. What did the Executive Council members do with their unconscionable raises?

Care to discuss that?

You might enjoy Bill Tieleman's post on his blog this morning...it's the BC Liberals who think everything is an opportunity to leverage their message.

Even folks who post to Tyee.

Nice column Quarry, I don't often read the Province and I suspect it won't be around much longer anyway. Nice to see there's an occasional article therein that actually says something about anything that doesn't take place on a diamond, a court or a sheet of ice.

How many shootings has Metro Vancouver recorded so far this year?

Maybe we could ask the current joke of an AG what he's doing about it.

JStog: If you can't figure

JStog:

If you can't figure out what I meant with 'you', replace it with "one". Same principle applies.

Luke:

James isn't 'my skunk' since I don't vote based upon party but rather principle. Nice to see you finally acknowledge that Campbell is your Pepe LePeau however... and you're not the non-partisan 'political junkie' you claim to be, but rather a poster with a clear mission to promote the BC Liberals at every opportunity. Not that anyone would ever doubt it, but it's nice that you've dropped the pretense.

Stump...

I see said the blind man.

Since the NDP is as principle-less as everyone else, then you've gotta be a Green Party supporter, the only other guys on the block.

My bad. ;)

Some more unprincipled New Democrat positions:

http://www.canada.com/Doubt+often+useful+reaction/1373096/story.html

Oh Luke

Does it ever occur to you that some of us don't need a party flag to rally under? I vote for the candidate not the party. Lately, the candidates I've voted for have run under NDP, Liberal, Work Less, Marijuana, and Independent banners.

Anyway, you've been outed for the partisan you are, by your own hand no less. I love it. Well done! All your protestations past and future are worthless now. Think of all the time and energy you've wasted, thrown away in just a few sentences. Too funny.

forgot a few

I've also voted COPE, Vision, and even NPA when the candidate's platform has meshed with my beliefs.

Anyway, how I vote doesn't matter. The most important thing here is the fact that you've finally admitted your bias Luke. You are a Liberal supporter, whose only purpose here is to promote their platform. Anyone who reads this site can figure it out, it's just nice that you've finally copped to it, even if it was during a sad attempt to misrepresent someone else's post.

Right on Frank.

I seem to recall a big story that was created when an NDP cabinet Minister accepted a free ski pass. The resort owner wanted the Minister to check out the facilities. You would have thought the the largest bribe in history had been accepted judging by all the media hype. The liberals in opposition at the time howled for his resignation. It is about the double standard and the hypocrisy of the liberals.

Regarding JStog

With the passage of Bill 42 the liberals will use every available avenue to promote their cause. We should expect more of them here on this site. The end justifies the means for them. You gotta keep your friends in power so the gravy keeps flowing.

Well,well,well..........

We,the people of BC learn today that Patrick Kinsella received a "UNTENDERED CONTRACT for 300.000.00$ dollars"

Patrick Kinsella,300.000.00/ not disclosed,Gordon Campbell`s Freind Patrick was paid to facilitate the SALE of BC RAIL?

Campbell might not answer in the legislature,but he will have to answer to the PUBLIC........

More details.....

It was revealed in the BC legislature TODAY that according to the recently released documents........

A 300.000.00 dollar untendered contract was given to Gordon Campbell`s campaign manager Patrick Kinsella......

2 items at play here, item #1 The contract by rule,by law should of been divulged over 5 years ago,without the release of the "documents" the untendered contract would have NEVER BEEN DIVULGED!

#2 The300.000.00$ UNTENDERED contract to Patrick Kinsella is,according to the documents,is directly connected to the facilitation and sale of BC Rail!.....

Now lets move to recent history, Patrick Kinsella and his associate Giles, both recently had their lawyers tell ........

Loukedalis (officer of the legislature) to fly a kite,get lost,Kinsella`s lawyer told Loukedalis that he doesn`t have any authority to compel any statements or disclosure from Kinsella or Giles as to their LOBBYING ACTIVITIES to the province!

That is recent history,add that to todays release from the documents,that Gordon Campbell okayed a ........

300.000.00 untendered contract to Patrick Kinsella to facilitate the sale of BC RAIL,....

So now it is apparent,to even the last few Liberal supporters,that ......

Gordon Campbell the PROVEN LIAR and LAW BREAKER had plans to sell BC RAIL even during the 2001 provincial election!

Judge Bennett will be ruling tomorrow on the release of thousands of additional documents,the story is coming out,I wouldn`t be surprised if.........

Gordon Campbell has to step down/resign before the MAY 12th election.

More BC Rail.........

Lawyer for the BC goverment fights tooth and nail to stop more document release!

http"//www.vancouversun.com/Trial+judge+Basi+Virk+case+rule+Thursday+documents/1374508/story.html

Ooops, here is the link

More BC Rail

http://www.vancouversun.com/Trial+judge+Basi+Virk+case+rule+Thursday+documents/1374508/story.html

Would that be UNREGISTERED Lobbyist

Patrick Kinsella?

These guys are so dirty you can't see them at all except in a bright light.

And they sure don't like the lights shining on them in the legislature today...

Wonder how the 'finance' ministry got hold of those PRIVATE EMAILS?

This is getting to be really fun.

Emergency meeting.....

of the public affaire beaur(burro),the blogs are quiet tonight,an emergency meeting of the PAB has been called,the bad news for Gordon Campbell is free flowing,water out of a tap.
This game is over,all 4 Burnaby ridings are NDP, it has now spilled into surrounding ridings,Coquitlam,Vancouver,Surrey,even the Valley,Langley,Chilliwak,all the scandals,the hundreds of BC Liberal lies,the funding frauds,carbon taxes,hydro,liquor,transit,P3s, everything is exploding all around.

Even Luke has run out of AMMO,Jstog has had to go into the 80s to try and find something.That store bought Mustel poll is looking pretty ragged!
The million dollar forest roundtable is a huge bust,Campbell crime wave rages through the city,Stone Wally is a dismal failure,Von Dongen(speedy) is use-LES,John Les is under a shadow,Kash Heed has police complaints ending his career,Oppal is taking a bullet for the team in Delta!

Surrey has turned on every Liberal MLA,the faces,the looks on the Liberal MLAs in the legislature,clapping and table thumping over pathetic non-answers......

Can you imagine,Falcon and others table thumping and stating "here here" when Wally says "I can`t answer it`s before the courts" or table thumping and "here here" when Hansen answers,workers will have to make sacrifices for the olympics!

Believe it or not,Canwest the papers know they can`t save Campbell,the news is coming out,they might not go after Campbell but they are reporting the news.

I suspect we will hear about more Liberal MLAs retiring in the next 2 weeks,I fear Campbell is going to resign before the election/even the port mann bridge is costing the Liberals votes,nobody believes a word out og Hansen`s or Campbell`s mouth anymore,the spin is over,the PAB is over--

The internet is 90% anti Campbell/ senior vote is going NDP/ The youth vote,NDP/ Middle class vote NDP/

It`s all over folks,keep beating the drum,I am looking forward to retirement on MAY 13th.2008 -The Big Cleansing

Yikes....

Quarry your a decade off.. My posts are about the 90's. You know the era of BC NDP lies and scandals. The Game ended long ago for the BC NDP. AG Gablemann made sure of that. The Public remembers. I sure do! Yeah Bingogate happen earlier but CEO Harcourt covered up the documents in the 90's. The poor were robbed by the rich NDPers. Yes Robbed..

Does your Pollster have a weee conflict with the province?

Its quite shocking. No comment.

Cheers

Correction

Correction
Avoid 72 73

How did you make out.......

at the emergency PAB meeting?

Did you watch question period?

You might want to visit the HOOK.

Looks like Patrick Kinsella helped get Gordon Campbell elected,and Patrick Kinsella helped get Campbell tossed from office,but what the hay,what`s 300.000.00 untendered contracts between freinds?

Maybe Patrick Kinsella can get his lawyer to tell the supreme court to go fly a kite?

Gordon Campbell is finished,Oppal caput,Ida Chong will get the gong,Ian Black will get the sack, Richard Lee,tee hee hee,Nuraney nomorey,ship ahoy Bloy,Von Dongen long gonin, Pat Bell is starting to smell,Shirley(broken)BonD,Abbott bye mr bobblehead,The Falcon has a broken wing,Coell will be shoveling coal,......

" I can`t comment because it`s before the courts" HERE HERE,GOOD ANSWER,thump,thump thump on the tables,YA,good answer Wally!

Cheers

Quarry bay

Hello Mr. Jstog

Jim Rassell does have a problem with this provincial goverment,from what I gather most of the province has a problem with bc liberal mis-deeds.

business leaders are very upset

Mr. V Palmer writes about angry business officials

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=0dd96c6c-9600-47bb-b603-08ed2f79d56a

business trouble

Mr. V Palmer writes about angry business leaders,looking like troubled legislation ahead.

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=0dd96c6c-9b00-47bb-b603-08ed2f79d56a

The NDP lost this election

The NDP lost this election when they picked Carole James to lead them....

Hopefully by 2013 they have a competent leader.

I will never ever vote for a right wing party but I am finding it very very hard to vote for the NDP under James.

Part of it is the 'no white males' need apply and looking at various Canadian forums I am not alone in that feeling. I believe in equality not discrimination. She may gain a few votes with that policy but will lose many more because of it.

I may just skip this election or go vote Marxist or spoil my ballot.

I think the NDP will be lucky to win 22 seats in May, disgraceful and I sure hope James resigns election night.

Mr. Socialist

Keith Baldrey has a different take on the election,IMHO I agree 100% with Mr. Baldrey.

http://www2.canada.com/burnabynow/news/community/story.html?id=77a9e44d-d4a6-4de7-a263-96baba866b2c

No free jet ride Here.... for Carol James

Hello Campbellwearsatutu

The Pollsters problems started with the Glen Clark Government and carried forward. Quarry Bay holds up the polls as factual. I find the pollsters documentations distastful and a little smelly.

Hi Dan the socialist

I agree.... Equality not Discrimination. The BC NDP's pedaling BACKWARDS under Carol James leadership.

Carol James is an Embarrassment. I get told this often by NDP members who are abandoning ship.

I'll email her a copy of Quarry Bays Smelly Polls with Some of QB's quotes. Priceless

What's become of the BC NDP? The New Discrimination Party

Carol James won't get a free jet ride here. Instead QB and others are discrediting her by their farcical commentaries..

Cheers

Mr. Jstog

You seem to really hate this Quarry bay person,I find QBs post to be very informative with a touch of humour,I have been reading the tyee for some time but only lately have mustered the courage to post myself.
Carole james seems very honest and caring about families and mr.campbell seems to have broken the trust of the voters,especialy this latest revalation about the 300thousand untendered contract to his campaign manager,if it wasn`t for the hard work of the ndp this would never had been revealed,how come you attack qb,has the goverment given you orders to go after him or her?
You come accross very angry mr jstog,that is an obvious sign of inner fear of the upcoming ndp victory.
I will certainly be attending the inagration of premier carole james, I hope you will not stay angry after the election,thank you qb for all you informative posts,uninformed voters such as myself really appreciate your passion you show for the less fortunate of this province.

Mr. Jstog

Do you think mr. Baldrey is unreliable,isn`t he called one of the three wisemen when it comes to bc politics?I read the angus reid poll,the one that has the ndp leading everywhere in the province except the northeast,the angus reid poll is very informative and full of details,it really is quite an extensive poll,I understand that Mr Canseco is releasing another very informative poll in the next two weeks,it is all so confusing with these polls, Mr Teileman has talked about some shocking internal polls that show the liberals are in rough shape, even mr baldrey seems to be hedging his bet, I don`t know how anyone could vote for such mean liberal goverment.
Vaughn palmer seems to think that the business groups are furious over the native recognition legislation, and the burnaby board of trade and chamber of commerce are totaly against that prison in burnaby.Mr Jstog,do you know why mr basi was in court today in victoria?Something about a trial starting,and do you think judge bennett is going to release thousands of documents tomorrow?

Sounds like rampant sexism to me

Unless you believe a woman can't do the work better than 1 1/2 average men.

Fact is, the more women in government the less sleaze and dishonesty.

Bring 'em on - it's long past time criminals like Campbell retired to Maui.

The Big Lieberal Flame-Out

Watching you guys freak out at the realization you're toast is great fun JStog. I want to thank you for the ongoing entertainment.

The NDP climbing in the polls with Carole James at the helm just tells you how poorly the people think of little Gordy. If you folks had half a brain between you, the last thing you'd be doing is comparing James to Campbell.

Heh

Hi Campbellwearsatutu

No I certainly don't hate this Quarry Bay person. I find lots of what QB writes informative too.

But QB lowers the bar when he ridicules and insults other posters.

I'm an individual, take orders from none. My opinions are my own.

I can't speak on whether Carol James is honest, I don't know her.
I do know the Past BC NDP government was very dishonest and corrupt.

I haven't seen the Angus-Reed poll yet.
I agree polls are confusing. QB's poll was laughable.

Campbellwearsatutu don't fool yourself there's crooks on all sides. Words are cheap when it come to politicians or parties.

Inner fear? Heh.. Not likely. Just mammoth disapointment of daja vu all over again.

G West Sexism is lame .... Equality should be now.... Discrimination the past.

Stump
Glad your enjoying the entertainment.
Hmmm Compare James to Campbell Ok why not include Harcourt, Clark, Dosanjh, VanderZalm, Bennet or Dave Barret.
Politicians never lie do they? So we can
trust James.... Hehe

I wasn't born yesterday. LOL

Comparisons are pointless

"Ok why not include Harcourt, Clark, Dosanjh, VanderZalm, Bennet or Dave Barret."

Why not judge an individual on their merits rather than attempt silly comparisons that are in the long run, pointless and ineffective.

Mr. Jstog

Did you read this story about patrick kinsella,seems he is involved with so many scandals,explain please?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/10/03bc-kinsella-lobbyist-registration.html?ref=rss

He seems nasty like that awful ken dobell

http://www.angus-reid.com/uppdf/2008.11.15_BCPolitics_1.PDF

This detailed angus reid poll has some disturbing findings,lots of detail,how come so many in the province have trouble trusting premier campbell,I trusted him until he fired all my freinds working as cleaners,cooks,and care givers with the HEU,my freinds voted for premier campbell and then he fired all of them,could you explain to me mr. Jstog why mr. campbell fired all my freinds?
My freinds were making 15.00$ per hour and they all got fired,most of them were in their 40s, then they were offered their jobs back at 8.50 per hour,MR. Jstog,why did premier campbell do that?

Mr. Jstog

Could you explain why premier campbell did all these things? You seem so wise,please review the list and provide some answers please.

http://lists.resist-ca/pipermail/project-x/2005-May/009643.html

Mr. Jstog

Oh these silly computers,I make so many errors,I had to ask my kids for help,how did you get so good with computers mr. Jstog?

If you could please review this list and make me understand why premier campbell did these things?

http://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/project-x/2005-May/009643.html

Merits..... Where?

Stump

What Merits? Carol James joined a Dirty party! The BC NDP. As the leader of the dirt party she's responsible for addessing the parties
dark past.I've heard nothing from her regarding that. So her Merits = 0
Its just more of the same OLD BC NDP. Nothing's changed.
Its still The Party of NO.
Just my opinion. LOL

corruption abounds

Vaughn Palmer on the Patrick Kinsella pay-off

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=4f94f4d3-d1ee-43d7-9a92-26bd4a6df532

Michael Smyth on the Patrick Kinsella pay-off

http://www2.canada.com/theprovince/cloumnists/story.html?id=ed241acf-dd10-4a36-9a01-047a821d4817

Mr.Jstog just what did Kinsella get paid for?

JStog

Your team is up to its neck in current dirt and the best you can do is try to link James to a twenty year old event to which there's no connection between her and said scandal?

Nice try, but nobody's buying that load of slop. See what happens when you keep company with liars? You end up having to tell lies yourself just so you don't look like an idiot. BTW, you're not succeeding.

Nothing will change under an NDP government.

Campbellwearsatutu

The circus is in town and the entertainment continues for 2 more months. Nothing will change regardless of who's elected.

Ask Kinsella.
Ask Campbell.
Ask James.

But While your at it Ask former AG Gabelmann. What he meant when he stated in public.

We(The BC NDP)are under no illusion we'll ever be elected again, so taking that into account were going to make sure whatever we do cannot be undone.
He went on to state "logging companies will be in the waste paper basket within the next decade" Narrow minded thinking and Short sited planning By the elite In the BC NDP at the time. So here we are today... Ask Former AG Gablemann why?

The BC NDP's platform is to ridicule the other side. Thats not a Platform. Trust? in WHO? LOL

Have a wonderful Day .... :o)

Ridicule

"The BC NDP's platform is to ridicule the other side."

If that fruit hung any lower it would be called windfall JStog. The Liberals are 'ripe' for ridicule.

Hehe

Hey Stumpy Wake up ...... I don't have a team.

JSog doesn't care

He's moved to cynical...that's the position BC Liberals adopt when even they can't defend their heroes any longer.

No surprise, the PAB spent the first year or two of their existence collecting dirt on Glen Clark....while the Premier did the stupidest thing imaginable by denying the two members of the NDP Official opposition status.

If the current batch of BC Liberals and their CEO leader expect anything but ridicule and opprobrium from their opponents they really are the most gullible people in the world.

There was a chance for collegiality and pragmatic cooperation but when you do nothing more than lie and reward your friends for 8 years while the average working family treads water or loses ground, don't expect much sympathy when things turn pear-shaped.

In other words, Mr Campbell and your bought and paid for glee club, suck it up, you planted this crop and now it's time to bring in the sheaves.

I thought you read that interview in BC Business JStog...guess not.

No team

No team? You're dredging up decades old controversies and no mention of current misdeeds by the current gov't. I'd hate to see what happens when you actually pick a side.

Whats that smell?

Mr. Jstog,you did not answer my questions about why did premier campbell fire my freinds?
Mr. Jstog why does premier campbell give our money to his freinds,I see no reasonable excuse for allowing ken dobell to be a paid lobbyist who worked out of the premiers office,ken dobell was in charge of the convention center for the first few years,isn`t that project 500million over budget?
Mr Jstog,why did patrick kinsella and mr. Giles have their lawyer tell loukadelis to get lost?
Was it to do with their suspect lobbying?Do you think it is right that Patrick kinsella,premier campbells close freind,and campaign manager who wrote the liberal platform got paid from Alcan,Accenture,and the crown corporation known as bc rail?
Mr Jstog,please answer me,would you at least say that it appears to be very unethical?
Mr Jstog why is premier campbell mute on this subject,is he not running the province? Or is it Patrick Kinsella and Ken Dobell running the province,glen clark resigned when shadows were cast over his leadership,why doesn`t premier Campbell resign mr. Jstog,don`t you think he should,just answer that question for me Jstog.
Should not premier Campbell resign over these latest revaltions about his personal freinds receiving monies?

For the good of the bc liberal party should not premier Campbell resign,

Just answer that one question mr. Jstog.

That smell,could it be lobster?

http://www.timescolonist.com/Travel/bureaucrats+servrd+lobster+Brentwood+public+expense/1380937/story.html

So much for goverment belt tightening,maybe they were discussing raising the minimum wage.

Mr. Jstog

I don`t know AG gableman,questions from 15 years are not relevant,could you answer my questions please,premier campbell has his hands on the steering wheel,I wouldn`t expect you to answer questions about gordon wilson or wac bennett,the year is 2009 mr. Jstog.
The links provided are about the current goverment,why won`t you respond to direct questions,it is easy to see how quarry bay got frustrated with you,you have only insulted ghosts from the past,why are you so bitter and angry,are you being forced to say angry mean things?
You seem to be very good with computers but lacking in the coherent argument department.
Mr Jstog should premier campbell resign?
Has not his leadership been sullied?

Shouldn`t premier campbell fall on his sword?
Can you provide any defence for premier campbell or is your specialty hatred and anger?
Why did premier campbell cut off the funding for my neighbors autistic son,was it because his IQ was 71 ?
My neighbor had him tested three time over the last few years,his IQ was 65 then 70 then 71 on this last goverment test, is that why his funding was cut off mr. Jstog, if he gets tested again and his IQ is 70 will funding be restored?

Can you please answer any of my questions,all the ministries I have contacted have ignored me and my neighbors and offered no answers.

You must have some answers for me?

My neighbor cried when she heard this news

Would you please read this article Mr Jstog and give your honest opinion.

Is it something a caring premier would do,or did premier campbell need this money for the olympics?

http://billtieleman.blogspot.com/2008/07/bc-premier-gordon-campbell-makes-secret.html

Everything I read here from Jstog...

...was past off as fact back in 2001 and almost all of it has been disproved either by the courts or the subsequent actions of the Campbell Reform/Liberals. The mythical "scandals" and mythical media promoted big lie is being regurgitated. So specifically Jstog what are these scandal's and lies you refer to because it would be interesting to know just what facts you have top back them up. There was a court case that found a few members of the NDP guilty in the NCC Bingo scandal. Harcourt ordered the forensic audit which brought that about. A court ruled that a budget was not fudged and that is more than one can say about Campbell's current budget. Clark's was found "not guilty". The NDP left two surplus budgets for Campbell to inherit. The NDP inherited a defit budget in 1991 of about $2.5 billion courtesy of the former Socred/Liberals. Our MSP payments were lower in the 90's. Almost every fee today was lower. Gas taxes were lower. We had sawmills operating then, we had a rail line, locally governed hospitals, more schools, lower hydro rates, more government consultations on land use, greater local autonomy in decision making etc. etc. etc.

So where was the dishonesty of the 90's, Was it just a state of mind?.

LOL

Campbellwearsatutu

Your asking the wrong person those questions. I don't speak for the liberals. They benefit me none = 0.

AG Gablemann questions are relevent to me. Go Ask him why Campbells doing what he's done. Does Gablemann care! Unlikely He short sheeted the province and fled the coop. Now look where we are.

I'm supposed to Trust Carol James will be different.... LOL :O)

Mr. Jstog

I asked you some direct questions,you don`t have to speak for premier campbell or his ministers,but you could at least give your personal opinion on those matters I raised.
Are you in favour of cutting off funding for autistic adults with an IQ over 70?

Do you think premier campbell should resign for the sake of the party?

Do you think it was okay to fire nine thousand low wage earners making 15 dollars per hour?

If you are incapable of an opinion on these matters then why are you here?

There must be some bc liberal web sites that would welcome hatred and anger, the more you speak the less you say,I have to agree with Mr. Stump and Mr West on this one,even that poster Mr. Luke Skywalker can amount a limited response,but you Mr. Jstog,as quarry bay pontificated so well offer absolutely nothing to any thread!
You are also correct Skywalker,Jstog arguments are stale,unfounded,and acient history.
I sure hope I don`t get moderated or edited for pointing out what is so obvious to everyone,Mr. Jstog,you have anger issues,perhaps counseling would help,was your childhood not happy? Do you want the children of today and the future to be as miserable and hate filled as you are?
I am no doctor,but I can see anger flowing out of your posts!
It will be so refreshing to have Carole James restore hope to the underclass of this province.
I wish you well Mr. Jstog but please take your anger somewhere else.

Yeah I care.... about Honesty.

Campbellwearsatutu

No Never.

Irrelevent. Carol James is a poor leader So is Campbell.

No
But I think replacing 9$ an hour workers with free labourers ie; karmic yogi's is worse. Off topic but Go Ask Mayor Gregor if he cares what his handlers are doing?

The underclass? I know it well. I speak from experiance.
LOL

Jstog

I am still waiting and LOL. Even that wears thin.

Charity-Gate is coming

Sorry Skywalker

Need food to survive and contemplate the written word.

State of mind not at all.
In the 90's The BC NDP While claiming to be supporting The Forest industry were in fact shutting the Forest Industry down. http://forests.org/archive/canada/lumbcase.htm

When the Forest Workers, Families and Kids went to the CORE rally in Victoria. The BC NDP Greeted them by covering the lawns of the legislature with a fresh Pig Sh!!t the night before.

THE BC NDP was dishonest to its own Principals and supporters in the 90's.
Short term planning goes nowhere.
Greed and Arrogance took over the BC NDP Party in the 90's. Its Still the same now.

Is there a long term plan? Or is it The elite lining up to save the poor again...to skim the procedes then leave.

Wow. I am overwhelmed Jstog.

Forestry was in better shape in the 90's than it is now. If that is all the facts you have to support your case then yes, the dishonesty is a figment of your imagination and yes, I am LOL.

Further Jstog

Based on a Judge's speculation, no proof , other wise he would have made a ruling, and the Vancouver Sun's usual inferences this becomes fact. A few staff people screw up and oh yes it's all they way up to the government. Now with the liberals it never even gets mention as being close to reaching any elected person. No charges ever laid on the phony recall allegations efforts even though by your account there was all kinds of shady stuff happening. As I recall there were mistakes on both sides but only the NDP's were ever really considered by the Vancouver Sun as being significant. The NDP's errors pale by comparison to the Compared to the Campbell Gang. The Campbell years of lies and deceit and sell-offs and give-aways to friends and insiders. Still LOL

The PAB are quiet today

Are they gasping for air? Have they tried smelling salts? Are they in need of a defibulator?
Or are they fast tracking buying DIEBOLD voting machines?
Maybe premier campbell should call an emergency press conference and shed crocadile tears and state " I have sinned,forgive my flock " AKA Jimmy Swaggert.

In the 90's

JStog said, "So where was the dishonesty of the 90's, Was it just a state of mind?
State of mind not at all.
In the 90's The BC NDP While claiming to be supporting The Forest industry were in fact shutting the Forest Industry down.
Greed and Arrogance took over the BC NDP Party in the 90's. Its Still the same now."

In fact during the Asian meltdown, the public sector unions got onboard and didn't take any wage increases.

However, overall, employment in B.C. increased 22 per cent during the 1990s -- much faster than the 16 per cent growth for Canada as a whole. Housing starts in B.C. averaged 29,000 per year between 1991 and 2000, a higher rate per capita than the 29,800 annual average during the "boom" period of 2001 to 2007.
What about all those 1990s economic refugees fleeing B.C.?
B.C. gained an average of 14,000 people annually from net interprovincial migration from 1991 to 2000 compared with just 4,300 annually for 2001 to 2007. The BC Liberals inherited a record surplus then ran record deficits.
The 1990s weren't as bad as that the BC Liberals would have us believe.

Change what?

Excellent an admission that errors and mistakes were made by the BC NDP. So what will change if the BC NDP is elected again. More Errors and mistakes or? Will we put the training wheels back on again.

Flopping from 1 bad governemnt to another changes little.

If change is needed. Addressing the errors/mistakes done by the BC NDP in the past is a good start.

Just because The BC NDP acquired Carol James for a leader. Confidence is low. Men need not apply now! Wow Progress.

The BC NDP are perfecting the DIEBOLD voting machine .... Its called brain washing.
Bashing the other side to get elected. Is it A party of Hate or a party of Change.

BC's Unemployment rate today is 6.7%

ECONOMIC REVIEW AND OUTLOOK 1999

The net outflow of people to other provinces and low levels of consumer confidence contributed to generally weak housing markets across the province. Housing starts declined in most urban centres

If there was a surplus why did the government borrow 6 billion dollars.

http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/archive/budget00/reports/bgt2000_topicbox_a02.htm

JStog

Please address the current total indebtedness of the province as of 2008 - compared with the situation in 2001.
Your little pictures would be so much more useful in comparison, don't you think?
Perhaps a few pretty pictures of the cost over-runs on the Convention centre; the Canada Line; several hospital facilities.

Furthermore, I find your posting of graphic images are offensive.

Please stop - the alternative is for the rest of us to resort to a similar kind of childishness.

Post whatever links you want but keep the graphics to yourself.

This is meant to be a textual discourse not a parade of pictures which occupy far more space and clutter up the comments needlessly.

Kind of like a Gordon Campbell photo op.

The Problem?

G West
Thanks for you opinion....and advice on posting commentary here.

Never saw the rules your reffering to. I looked.

Your offended by Honesty in pictures? Thats a little petty. Pictures speak louder than words.
In one hand you tell me to post pictures of the cost over-runs on the Convention centre; the Canada Line; several hospital facilities In your other hand I find your posting of graphic images are offensive.
A little eratic..... don't you think?

I'll post what I please. I do try to keep on topic including answering questions from other posters.

Never said there were any rules against what you were doing

Please re-read my comment -
I think, if you can't make a cogent argument without posting a lot of extraneous and largely irrelevant images that you ought to try harder.

I agree you should post what you like - please don't be offended if I point out again why I think you're wasting serious commenting space with irrelevancies.

The subject here, on this thread, is Campbell's inappropriate and, in my opinion, unethical, acceptance of a free benefit.

Mr. Jstog

Your arguments are empty,I assure the that premier campbell is scared,his MLAs are scared,perhaps you missed fridays cutting ledge on bill good,many angry liberals called,they have decided to change their vote,the kinsella affair was the last nail in his coffin.
Premier Campbell has admitted his and Kinsella`s guilt by his latest action,yesterday premier Campbell said that the man who brought him success in the last 2 elections will not be his campaign manager this time.
If Campbell and Kinsella were innocent campbell wouldn`t change a winning formula,your graphics are a sad desperate display Mr. Jstog,a few amaturish charts with no context.
Now that Canwest has decided to report some news you and your ilk are done,the election is a foregone conclusion now,people might have believed the spin in 2005 election but now it is an open book that premier campbell has given tax-dollars to many of his freinds,there is no getting around this,the liberals one and only chance they have, premier campbell must resign.

http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/P__mugshot-gordon-campbell%20copy.jpg

Even Vaughn Palmer

BC rail is now a hot issue,citizens of bc may forgive direction and policy mistakes but they don`t forgive corruption.
There are many who suspect that the kinsella papers were recently moved from from their old hiding place and were put were they WOULD noticed and exposed.The translink leak of new taxes,hydro increases,the kinsella papers, I have been told the outcome of the election is already known,the only ones left beating the drum is the PAB and the liberal MLAs.

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=e6153f49-fa40-4b39-81b1-774b47f32070

G West

I'm not pleased with another deficit budget. I'd post comparative images of 2008 and 2001. Still looking.

Yes... and the topics or questions other commenters bring up.

Wasted space abounds. Glad to be included.

You could apply for the moderators job here.

What may be irrelevant to you is a cogent argument to me. Everyone see's things differantly. Try harder..

G West please don't be offended. None intended. I take marching orders from no one. Imperfect's a faulty gene we all share.

Campbellwearsatutu Charts

Campbellwearsatutu

Charts are the BC NDP's.... No content take it up with them.

Campbell scared?

Your pictures a little stale. Can't you make him sing. Keep trying.

>> All together now <<

Mr. Jstog

You want me to make gordon campbell sing,here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4_LpCOvwc4&feature=related

And Here are people singing about gordon campbell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVS4gCeaA-w&NR=1

I disaagree

Please speak for yourself. As for wasted space, count yours on this thread, then count mine.

Then we'll talk.

erratum

That's disagree.

Thanks G West

Thanks G West

We can agree to disagree then.
I'm not into comparing apples and egos and meant no offense to your posts. The moderators can turn codes off if they wanted. If you don't like the contents of a comment thats fine. We all see things a little differant.
I find your view of my posts a mire trivial and slightly offensive. But carry on. Everyone's entitled to my opinion and yours.