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Top Bush Adviser Made Millions Lobbying for BC Forest Biz
Ed Gillespie is 'New Karl Rove.'
Gillespie: Peddled softwood deal.
Tabbed to succeed Karl Rove as chief political adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush, 46-year old Ed Gillespie is a veteran Republican operative and a high-profile Washington, D.C., lobbyist. Surprisingly, he also has a keen understanding of British Columbia and our province's largest industry, forestry.
That's because for the last seven years or so, Gillespie's lobbying firm was contracted to represent B.C. lumber exporters seeking a resolution to the Canada-U.S. softwood lumber dispute.
And what a lucrative contract it was. Between 2000 and this past April, the British Columbia Lumber Trade Council paid Quinn Gillespie & Associates nearly $3.7 million -- or an average of more than half a million dollars per year.
Teamed with Gingrich, Armey
Born in New Jersey to Irish-American parents in 1961, Gillespie is a graduate of The Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., and once worked as a parking lot attendant at the U.S. Senate.
In the mid-1980s, after serving briefly as a low-level staffer with the Republican National Committee, he was hired as an aide to Dick Armey, then a little-known Texas congressman. Over the next several years, Gillespie helped Armey to become, along with Newt Gingrich, one of the GOP leaders in the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives.
In early 1994, in anticipation of that year's mid-term elections, Armey and Gingrich published a campaign manifesto entitled "The Contract with America." Pledging lower taxes and smaller government, the document was credited with helping the Republicans win control of both houses of Congress for the first time in four decades.
Armey and Gingrich subsequently were elected by their fellow GOP lawmakers to the two most powerful positions in the House of Representatives (respectively, majority leader and speaker), and Gillespie -- who was acclaimed as a "principal architect" of The Contract with America -- found himself an increasingly influential party strategist.
In 1998, after putting in more than a decade of service with Armey, Gillespie returned to the Republican National Committee, this time as director of communications and congressional affairs under chairman Haley Barbour. The following year, when Barbour left the RNC to rejoin his prominent Washington, D.C., lobbying firm, Gillespie went with him to set up a subsidiary consulting agency, Policy Impact Communications.
Key to getting Bush elected
George W. Bush, the then-Texas governor who was vying for the GOP presidential nomination, was among the many Republican politicians who sought Gillespie's political and communications advice.
In July 2000, Gillespie was asked to co-ordinate the party convention in Philadelphia, where Bush was nominated as the Republican candidate for president; then, in September, he moved to Austin, Texas, to work with Rove and other senior strategists on Bush's campaign team; and later, in November, he was in Miami managing communications during the lengthy Florida ballot re-counts.
Not long after the U.S. Supreme Court ordered an end to the ballot-counting -- a controversial decision which effectively put Bush into the White House -- Gillespie volunteered to help Texas businessman Don Evans, a Bush friend and his appointee as secretary of commerce, set up operations at the U.S. Commerce department.
It was widely rumoured that Gillespie himself was offered any number of top-level jobs in the Bush administration, but the political insider already had laid the foundation for a more lucrative career.
Big-ticket clients
In January 2000, eleven months before Bush prevailed over Democrat Al Gore in the contest for the U.S. presidency, Gillespie partnered with Jack Quinn, an influential Democratic party insider, to found a new lobbying company.
With a political resume that stretches through the 1970s and 1980s, Quinn served in the White House in the 1990s as chief of staff to then-vice president Gore, and then legal counsel to president Bill Clinton.
In its first year of operation, while Bush and Gore battled for the White House, Quinn Gillespie & Associates began recruiting a staff of well-connected operatives from both the Republican and Democratic parties. And by the end of 2000, the newly founded firm could boast of having more than 30 well-heeled clients, with billings of close to $7.7 million.
Among those purchasing Quinn Gillespie's services were such well-known corporate names as Daimler Chrysler, which paid the lobbying firm $360,000 in 2000; (all figures are in U.S. dollars and were tabulated by the Center for Responsive Politics); Verizon Communications, $340,000; Cisco Systems, $285,000; Viacom, $360,000; SBC Communications, $440,000; Instinet, $575,000; Hughes Electronics, $280,000; Atlantic Richfield, $165,000; and PriceWaterhouseCoopers, $350,000.
A range of special-interest associations and coalitions also sought the services of Quinn Gillespie in 2000, including the American Hospital Association, $216,000; the Health Insurance Association of America, $180,000; the Recording Industry Association of America, $120,000; and the Repeal the Tax on Talking Coalition, $297,000.
But one of the earliest clients to retain Quinn Gillespie -- and among the highest paying -- was a Vancouver-based coalition of B.C. lumber exporters. In April 2000, bare months after opening its doors, the lobbying firm registered with Congress as representatives of the British Columbia Lumber Trade Council.
By the end of 2000, after just nine months of work, the B.C. lumber producers had paid Quinn Gillespie $540,000 -- or $60,000 per month.
Softwood setback
Canada and the United States have been entangled in four softwood-lumber trade disputes over the last 25 years. American lumber manufacturers claim their Canadian counterparts enjoy an unfair price advantage because of a variety of government policies, including below-market stumpage rates for logs from publicly-owned lands.
In 1996, the two countries negotiated a five-year agreement that put a quota on lumber exports from B.C., Alberta, Ontario and Quebec. That agreement was due to expire in April 2001 -- one year after Quinn Gillespie & Associates first registered to represent the B.C. Lumber Trade Council -- and U.S. producers had vowed to renew their efforts to obtain restrictions on Canadian imports.
In August 2001, notwithstanding Quinn Gillespie's efforts, the U.S. Commerce department issued a preliminary finding that Canadian sawmills were unfairly subsidized. The following year, in March 2002, a "final determination" imposed countervailing and anti-dumping duties of more than 27 per cent on Canadian softwood lumber imports.
Still, the B.C. lumber producers continued to send sizeable monthly cheques to Quinn Gillespie. On top of the $540,000 paid in 2000, the Vancouver-based council sent $900,000 to the lobbying firm in 2001, and then another $520,000 in 2002.
Firm lobbied for Enron
Although unable to shield Canadian lumber producers from U.S. tariffs, Quinn Gillespie nonetheless enjoyed considerable success in convincing the Bush administration to buck its free-trade dogma in order to protect the American industries from foreign competition.
Stand Up for Steel, an industry-labour coalition, enlisted the lobbying firm to stop a surge in steel imports and was rewarded in March 2002 with a Bush-imposed tariff. Later that year, on behalf of USEC Inc. (parent of the United States Enrichment Corp., operator of the country's sole uranium enrichment facility), Quinn Gillespie succeeded in persuading the administration to restrict shipments of enriched uranium from Russia.
For its services, Quinn Gillespie & Associates earned almost $2.2 million from Stand Up for Steel between 2001 and 2006, and more than $1.5 million from USEC between 2000 and 2004.
Meanwhile, the lobbying firm's annual revenues continued to grow ever higher, as billings reached $10 million in 2001, and surpassed $15 million in 2005. Its roster of clients grew to include Microsoft, General Electric, Sony, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Burlington Northern Santa Fe, the Bank of America and, for a time, the ill-fated Enron.
$3.6 million to push deal
In February 2006, after working on the lumber trade file for nearly six years, Ed Gillespie visited Vancouver to make the keynote speech at a forum on the softwood lumber dispute, NAFTA and American trade policy. He was quoted by the Canadian Press as telling delegates that he saw "a window" of opportunity, "somewhere between Memorial Day [May 29] and the Fourth of July," when Canada and the U.S. might reach a new softwood agreement.
If a deal wasn't reached by the latter date, he said, "it's going to get tougher in the political environment of the Senate mid-term elections."
Those remarks proved prescient, as the two countries signed a "Basic Terms" agreement at the end of April, and then initialled a final legal text on July 1 in Geneva, Switzerland.
The British Columbia Lumber Trade Council continued to pay Quinn Gillespie and Associates through the final negotiations and beyond. In addition to the sums listed earlier, the B.C. council paid fees of $240,000 in each of 2003 and 2004; $580,000 in 2005; $600,000 in 2006; and a final $40,000 in 2007.
All told, B.C. lumber manufacturers paid Quinn Gillespie $3,660,000 US over seven-plus years. During that period, the council also retained two other Washington, D.C. lobbying firms at a cost of $2,280,000. The total of fees paid to U.S. lobbyists since 2000 came to more than $5.9 million.
'First among equals'
In June, Ed Gillespie took a leave of absence from his lobbying firm to accept a position in the Bush White House. The move puzzled many Washington, D.C., politicos, but began to make sense two months later when Karl Rove announced he was quitting as Bush's senior political adviser.
"It appears that Gillespie will emerge as the first among equals," reported the Washington Post following Rove's departure. "He is likely to be called on to handle political strategy and message management for the president, becoming the dominant voice in determining where and how often Bush appears and what he says during the final 17 months of his tenure."
For the next year and a half, then, the White House will have a senior official with first-hand knowledge of British Columbia and our provincial forest industry. It remains to be seen if that is a positive development, but it probably can't hurt.
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Capitalism
4 years ago
Oh Boy
There are a lot of scary words in there; "Republican", "Enron", "Bush".
I am not sure what this article is trying to tell us. I don't agree with the lobby trade either. Unfortunately, our neighbours to the South have made it part of the fabric of politics - left and right.
Personally, I think Lobbying should be outlawed. However, it never will be, because the lobbyists help bankroll the expensive leadership and nomination campaigns that you see in the US.
So, this is the way it works. BC Forests hired an insider to help push its agenda. It happens all the time. Does it irritate me that the system is designed in such a way?....yes! I may not like some of the rules of Hockey, but I still play the game.
As far as I know, the Council is self-funded. It is none of our business what they do with their own money.
Fiat lux
4 years ago
It is indeed our business
It is indeed our business what they do with their money, because it comes out of our pockets in the form of high prices we have to pay for everything we buy and the stolen wages of the employees.
This is exactly the purpose of capitalist privatization. While government actions and services are accountable for at least a certain degree, with the exception of the daily growing dictatorship of the Harper and Campbell gangs, corporations can get away with murder, based on the claim that it is "their money" and sue anybody who dares to question their dirty deals.
I have built a lot of things for corporate executives, way back, when they were still at the chickenfeed level in comparison of what they can get away with it now, billing
private work to the companies, "hospitality suites", where they could entertain top level call girls at company (public) expenses , etc etc. This is one of the reasons how I know of their dirty dealings, now globalized.
The multimillion salaries, etc, are all coming out of the public's pocket in the form of high prices and tax deductible expenses. Anybody who's ever been in business, or understands business, must know this simple, elementary fact.
As far the bum in the article is concerned, scum always floats to the top and the sucker public is eager to lap it up.
The biggest crooks and maniacs in history are now called "great".
I hope to see the return to democracy one day, with a slew of these "characters" either pushing brooms, or sitting in jails.
Ed Deak.
The brain
4 years ago
I easily concur, Ed
You are on the money in every respect.
The "contract with america", aside from the appeal of "smaller government" and "lower taxes" to the average joe who somehow thinks we are all overtaxed and administration costs are too high, means just one thing. Give corporations more power.
Smaller government means less corporate regulation. Lower taxes means lower corporate taxes. The bottom line to any such "contract with america" is that it means more power to corporations and considering that all politicians are these days is lobbiests sluffing themselves off as politicians, it comes as absolutely no surprise that such an agenda not only exists, but is supported by most if not all political parties due to human weakness... greed. Where are the options? Is there a political party that isn't full of "yes" men and corporate lobbiests? Look long and hard at the people running in your riding, folks. One in four running might be able to be trusted to serve the public instead of just their selfish selves.
How many politicians are sitting in the provincial and federal legislature that have had fat directorships with share options given to them for their "job well done"? Its called a legal bribe, folks and we had better start waking up to it.
Its offensive and obscene that the public is too dumbed down to get just how bad it has gotten. There are dozens of lobbiests/directors in Campbells government. Harper was so desparate to get a lobbiest in the minister of trade, he took on David Emerson of all people.
The definition of a crook is someone who steals, and that so happens to include the taxpayers money. When any government lowers corporate taxes in the best of economical times when the result is an overheated bubble economy and lowered resource royalties with multi billion dollar giveaways to economic sectors like oil that have never seen such boon times, with directorships as perks, common sense has to ask just how crooked our governments are... how bad is it?
Well, its bad. Oil subsidies are still in the billions in this country, as though the industry still needed help through "hard times" at $70+ a barrel. Corporate taxes are reaching historic lows, investors now pay taxes on only 67% profits in the markets, and like I say, there are dozens of MLA's in BC alone that are sitting on directorships that can only be seen as nothing more than stock option bribes for their "jobs well done." They spend the first four years learning how to steal. They spend the next term perfecting it.
Between us all, fellow voters, its time for a political change in this province and country. Like Ed says, scum rises to the top. Its time to get clean.
Fiat lux
4 years ago
Sure thing, cut taxes, but
Sure thing, cut taxes, but what then?
Out here in the Cariboo - Chilcotin the ambulance, and generally the health services, are collapsing for lack of staff and no replacements. Doctors are leaving, none coming, a perfectly good, 10 year old old age facility in Williams lake is closed and people jammed into "privatized" facilities, allegedly built and owned by a "friendly insider" to the government.
There was a news item on TV last night about the burning balloon and the truck piling into a procession causing "orange alert" on the Lower Mainland and how it overtaxed the facilities.
To the best of my recollection, the area is in an earthquake zone. What would, or will happen in the case of some major disaster? Where are the services, the lifeboats, to save people?
Taken abroad in the form of profits from our pockets.
So now the idiots are selling the PPP idea, without mentioning that the investments, payments and service charges for the PPPs have to come out of the public's pocket, exactly the same way as they would from taxation with huge profits added. Yet, people are lapping up the lie, believing that PPPs are "savings".
So where are our "business friendly" governments to point out the simple facts of business, how business is financed, how it operates?
Ed Deak.
BC Dude
4 years ago
This I think fits right
This I think fits right here, http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7427022351584640827
The brain
4 years ago
Good points again, Ed
But cutting corporate taxes to stimilate an already overheated, bubble economy is just plain stupid. Inflation is running amuck, precisely because corporate taxes are too low.
Our economy is first and foremost stimilated in two ways. The first is by lowering taxes, but the result in bad times is government debt. The second, is by paying off debt, there by lowering interest rates, interest on principle and the biggest benefit federally, is a higher currency which will do the same thing assuming demand is there for our bread and butter commodities... and it is.
But what truly happens in an over heated economy? Exactly what is happening now. Real estate has ballooned to the point where the average Joe can't enter the market unless they have recently sold. The average family of four that earns 70 - 75 thousand a year is priced out of this market. The poor skip meals due to higher inflation... groceries has gone up 30% in the last year, it seems, in case anyone hasn't noticed. Energy costs, rent, services... the poor and lower middle class suffer the most from high inflation. And the middle and upper middle class... if they buy in high... what goes up does come down and why? Valuations are too unrealistic and who gets hosed?
It is times like these that leave the earner with a flatlined income behind.
There is such a thing as too much growth... such a thing as missed opportunities to generate revenue from corporate taxes in good times, because they won't always be good and who wants to raise corporate taxes when times are bad and government revenue is flat? But thats what happens folks, because taxes will have to go up in bad times... precisely what should not happen for the time to lower corporate taxes should be when times are bad, not good.
Corporate taxes are at an all time low... there's nowhere to go but up and who wants this to happen when times go bad? Harpers plan to overstimilate the economy reveals just how little he knows about boom and bust. We have an amateur economist wannabe Republican who has done nothing more than deregulate our economic sectors to facilitate the great sale of Canada to the U.S. And Canada's number one Republican lobbiest has just got started.
But anyways, I'm a bit distracted from what is really bothering me, Ed. Its the power certain sectors have in the lobbiest industry overall. The money and power in the energy sector and its lobby influences on government with the likes of the white house as the easiest example, reveals just why the big three auto manufacturers are still making gas guzzling global warmers.
I could go on, but I'd like to actually stay in some kind of good mood, today.
:-)
Cheers, Ed.
Lorne McCuaig
Revelstoke, BC
brianhayes
4 years ago
Thanks for excellence
Thanks Will.
It's true that we require informed voters and it's true that healthy journalism is critical. This article truly carries out its duty.
The people behind candidates are too often ignored. The industrialists in Ronald Reagan's Kitchen Cabinet comes to mind.
I think of Ed Gillespie as a 'candidate whisperer', and Karl Rove too. The data is available. You've filtered the lists and background and helped build insight.
skeptikool
4 years ago
Follow the money - if you can
Though we elect, to various levels of government, those we hope will represent the public interests, we need to ask, as this article indicates, where the power truly resides.
Is the politician's loyalty to the Joe and Jill Sixpacks with their issues, or to or the heavy donors to the campaign to re-elect?
kootcoot
4 years ago
Softwood Lumber Theft
We all know now, or should know how well the Softwood Lumber Sell Out by Harpurrrr
has worked out for BC and Canada in general. Don't you just love giving a billion dollars of hard earned forestry dollars to the likes of KKKarl Rove, the RNC and the South Eastern Lumber Lobbiests of CrackerVille?
Ed Gillespie is a slightly less offensive looking version of that life form from under some rock, KKKarl Rover Boy! BTW, Whatever happened to Ken "men melt in his mouth" Mehlman? He must be out lobbying and filling up the old greed bag with dirty money, so he can afford to "serve" in politics again in the future.
Capitalism
4 years ago
Tax Cuts, Schmax Cuts
Tax cuts have nothing to with this divide you people speak of. If I were you, I'd brush up on monetary economics and money supply, which the Federal Reserve (in the USA) no longer discloses.
It is estimated that the government prints 10-12% more money each year. CPI ranges from 1.8 (on the low end) to around 3.0 on the high end, in 2006, it was higher.
Ask yourselves where the difference goes??? Our monetary system is corrupt. Mr. Deak has often written about this before. A $10 bill isn't worth more than the paper it is printed on.
Basically, the banking system creates money, in part, through its overnight lending rate (what it charges the banks). The lower the rate, the lower the rates a bank charges to borrowers - - the more is borrowed. The people that win in this game are the ones with first access to this money - the Uber Rich.
Nobody really takes the time to understand what money is, and why. Trust me, you won't like the answer. We know, it once, was backed by Gold. Now, it is backed by the government's promise, and well all know what good that is.
The most powerful man in this country in David Dodge. The most powerful man, arguably, in the world is Ben Bernacke. The Federal Reserve was actually created by the Banks. Believe it or not, it is a private corporation - owned by the banks.
Concentrate on the tax cuts all you like. They are about the only good economic policy I've seen.
G West
4 years ago
What happened cappy?
Did the mortgage crunch in the states hit some of your investments a little hard? - You don't sound like your usual naive cheery self - we've been trying to tell you the US and the world financial system was in deep doo doo for some time...spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave and mortgaged to the hilt.
You seem to be a chastened little capitalist today - hardly even a harsh word for the lefties around here. We don't need tax cuts, we need tax fairness - no matter how you make that dollar, it should be treated exactly the same by the tax man.
If leveraged mergers and acquistions weren't such a good deal for investors and venture capitalists maybe some of them would actually do something real and productive for a change.
At least there would be a chance.
The brain
4 years ago
Firing on most cylinders, Cappy, but...
Last I checked, the government gets its revenue from corporate and personal taxation, along with resource royalties. Taxation plays huge in a nations ability to pay down debt or add to it. Borrowing creates money out of thin air, so I ask you... how does a reduction in corporate taxation reduce debt which is the primary driver for all that new money?
If governments print money to the tune of 10 to 12% a year, currency ends up like the american dollar... falling fast, in case anyone wants to compare international currencies and there's no secret as to why. The U.S./Canadian population growth combined with GDP growth percentages, aren't growing fast enough to offset the new money printed/created by more debt and higher interest rates.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
This chart puts it in perspective. Highlights include U.S. debt growing from 4.3 billion in March of 93' to 5.3 billion in March of 2001, or 1.4 trillion in new debt over 8 years. But since 2001 to now, just over 6 years later, the U.S. has added a whopping 3.6 trillion of fresh debt. This next link provides the breakdown.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
Note the private vs governmental breakdown of debtload.
While you talk about the reduction of taxes being a good thing, keep in mind that the only way U.S. currency will recover from this kind of debt load is if they cut military spending in half (if not more) and raise taxes straight across the board, as well as the introduction of new banking regulations to curb new debt. Not going to happen because greedy CEO's won't allow it, and its easy to predict where the U.S. economy and currency will go from here.
Like a free fall currency and a recession or worse?
When their currency drops like a rock... and it will... their empire is over. The only thing the U.S. can do from there, is exercize military power/bombs and with the reduction of currency buying power, the manufacturing base they once had but have no longer due to their own globalized outsourcing of manufacturing and jobs, their reign as a superpower is done.
So, cappy, while you so love capitalism and all of its corporate jazz, it is corporate greed left unchecked, "smaller government and reduced taxes" that will be the ruin of the U.S. . All that is left, is to watch the pieces crumble... and to actually support these thieves and politician pretenders, is to contribute to the very madness that will lead to whats coming next. cont.
The brain
4 years ago
Lower taxes is the only good
Lower taxes is the only good thing cappy says... yeesh! The only choice the U.S. had years ago, was to raise it! All George II did was raise spending and cut taxes and whalla! All this new debt to collapse a currency and nation. No fiscal policy could have been more dullard than what he came up with, all in service to greedy oil companies and defense corps with war mongering and war drum beats to try to steal from the middle east, dirty energy which was never theirs to take... oil. Someone should have told these bums their pinky and the brain theories of world domination are stale dated... but you can't tell a know it all.
Still a BUSH/Harper Republican fan, Cappy?
SharingIsGood
4 years ago
Brain's big question
The Brain asks:
I can't count them all, Brain, but Brian Mulroney is one ex-politician that has done well at the directorship trough for having sold out his country. His millions don't come from having done work, they come only from who he met and the unending neofascist-capitalist esteem he hods for so doing.
The following article outlines some of his doings:
The Prime of Brian Mulroney:
If you've long since stopped thinking about our former PM's career path, you're in for a surprise:He's more powerful than ever By Konrad Yakabuski, Report on Business Magazine, April 2004
http://www.konradyakabuski.com/articles/2004_02.html
SharingIsGood
4 years ago
Congratulations Capitalism
Personally, I admire Capitalism for having come so far in his beliefs from where he had been but a few months ago. Now, Cappy, if you can continue to learn from people like Ed Deaks, the Brain, Kootcoot, GWest, and several others who regularly post here, I'd say there is great hope for you and your soul.
happy
4 years ago
tax fairness then Mr West
So you're advocating for a flat tax for everybody no matter what their income?
jrb
4 years ago
Wow, Ed. Chill.
Geez, Ed, you almost sounded bitter there.
The only 'public' money is taxes.
If someone heads a business that turns a profit, they're entitled to have the largest salary/benefits/pension/stock/benefits package there - according to the wishes of the stockholders.
It's the cream that rises to the top in the case of successful enterprises, not scum - at least not necessarily.
If the system around you leaves such a bad taste in your mouth, you can either do something to bring about positive change or you can totally drop out of it by not buying anything from or investing in anything operated by these people you dislike so much - in other words, go 'back to the land' as the 'hippies' used to say.
But to just stand on the sidelines and jeer and boo is hardly the type of behavior we here would expect from a man of your intellect.
doggone
4 years ago
these shites have no shame
This bonehead looks exactly like Gonzales:
a deer in the headlights.
Meanwhile the Geogia Straight is foaming soap like I have never seen before and I fly regularly.
Could it be that you and I have flushed too much soap down the drain over the past few decades and now it is showing up?
If you ride BCFerries look at the wake.
If you fly back and forth look at the foam.
Georgia is showing signs of poison.
Delete me if I'm wrong
G West
4 years ago
Nope happy
There should still be exemptions - I'd actually prefer an earned income tax credit - at the low-income end (which would also eliminate all the welfare bureaucracy and actually tackle poverty) and I'd anticipate no taxes at all on basic income up to a certain point.
The Carter Commission recommended just such a change in the mid-sixties but of course the banks and big trust companies complained and the recommendations never became law. Paul Martin wasn't the first Liberal PM to be in the back pocket of business after all - Lester Pearson and Paul Senior showed him the way. This country has been going backwards ever since...
My view.
SharingIsGood
4 years ago
jrb
jrb says:
What you don't realise, jrb, is that Ed did go back to the land and he has Deaked out a very wholesome life for himself while requiring very little from the outside world. He is not all talk and no action.
Perhaps if you perform a search on his name...
G West
4 years ago
jrb
Some examples please. I'm afraid I'm with Ed on this one...the cream I've seen of late is kinda tainted.
The brain
4 years ago
Back at you
And who is it that guides the wishes of the shareholders? Who is it that decides the course of a company or stock options or anything else other than leadership itself? Do you seriously believe that no stockholders will allow the destruction of environments and life purely for profit? Do you seriously believe that all corporations have life, human or otherwise, in their best interest? If you haven't figured it out yet... some do... and some don't.
And what of the unsuccessful ones who operate solely for greed and profit at the expense of that which is priceless such as life and its enviroments... are you telling us that enterprises that destroy such priceslessness for the price of a dollar don't exist, that human scum doesn't exist in the corporate world, or that as long as a corp is profitable, its to be considered an actual success, regardless of the damages its caused for that profit, that profit is all that decides what is a success or failure?
And do you seriously believe that Ed hasn't fought against such destructive human actions with more than simple jeers?
Where has this one been... (shaking my head)
Fiat lux
4 years ago
Big business now controls
Big business now controls prices paid to the producers, thousands of farmers and productive businesses are pushed out and forced to quit, so that the corporations can get their lands and businesses, while raising prices to the users.
The marketplace is a racket, controlled by conspiring oligopolies. What they're planning to do with the scam of globalization is a form of gilded Soviet collectivization over the whole world.
Right now, by forcing ranchers off their lands, these crooks are causing shortages, so they can jack up prices in the stores, also under their control
Profits, over and above legitimate earnings are also forms of unilateral taxation.
In any case, nobody owns money. All monies belong to the government by law, this is why it is an offence to destroy any money, even if special interests claim ownership and the right to use imaginary capital to destroy the lives of millions.
I have worked with that "cream" for 22 years in Vancouver, in their offices and houses, as an independent contractor, and have seen enough on how they conspire to rob and cheat.
Wealth can not be created, only taken from other sectors, the environment and the future.
This is a simple physical law, not any kind of screwball religion, or ideology.
Ed Deak.
Fiat lux
4 years ago
PS. If this recent "summit"
PS. If this recent "summit" at Montebello wasn't just another step in putting the world under corporate dictatorship, in our case the "proto Parliament of the North American Competitiveness Council", what the hell was it?
Talking about jelly beans and cornflakes, while the programs of the 19 "discussion groups" are heavily censored and kept in secret from the public?
I've been in independent business in BC for 50 years this November and anybody can come and ask any question about my business.
Ed Deak.
RossK
4 years ago
Kudos to Mr. McMartin
Thanks for this Mr. McMartin.
And thanks, as well, to The Tyee for rolling it out before the fall TeeVee/Propaganda season begins.
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G West
4 years ago
By the way - and I can't remember who
I can't remember who wrote the comment somewhere here (at Tyee) about the ads for 'private' health care and disagnostics services; but, I've seen the ones you were referring to (they come and go apparently) and I think your point about them being a trifle 'discordant' was well taken.
Thanks for noticing and commenting. This story about folks making money for their promotional activities seemed as good a place as any to bring it up again.
The brain
4 years ago
For the record on Mulroney...
In response to Sharingisgood's comments and link above, Brian Mulroney clocks in with 24 directorships for his "jobs well done" in politics. He's the king of bribes in my book, recieving more directorships than any other politician for his "services". The next highest "active" politician would be David Emerson, clocking in with 7 directorships, with his most notable directorship which includes stock options, for his part in the sale of BC gas to Terasen of which he was awarded the position of directorship in Terasen corporation along with stock options, after his key involvement in the privatization of BC gas to this american corp which is now owned by Morgan Kindle, a corp which its two major shareholders are Goldman Sach's and Carlyle (the defense corp that totes such names as George Bush senior, James Baker and the still current PM of England, whats his name, having held various board positions for much the same reasons... stock options for a "job well done".)
BC Dude
4 years ago
Canadian Corporations behind
Canadian Corporations behind the race to the bottom, known SPP's
These are the fascist corrupt corporations to Boycott, now!
http://noii-van.resist.ca/?p=438
Capitalism
4 years ago
Cappy isn't Influenced
First off - I have always questioned the U.S. economic system. They are way past Capitalism. No such thing as market forces anymore. I have always agreed that the U.S. has a system that resembles a Ponzi scheme.
Might I also add is that I've never applauded President Bush. I think he's been a disaster and his economic policies stink. I disagree with high taxes, but I don't believe in unsupportable tax cuts. I said the Liberals teetered on the edge with their 01 cuts. They probably cut too much, too early. In the end, I believe we are far better off.
What I have said, is that Canada's banking system is much better. It isn't perfect and it is still tilted against the middle class. The middle class (ask Lou Dobbs) lifts the weight in this country.
The problems we all speak of are created by our banking system, which is unfair - NOT taxes.
Capitalism
4 years ago
PS - G
I haven't lost any money as a result of the credit crunch. I have a couple of holdings that have taken a hit. I'm pretty diversified.
I've done a lot of reading of late. I've been very busy and spend my downtime reading up on economics and monetary policy. So, I am probably more negative towards the "system" than I was a few months ago. However, I still passionately believe in Capitalism, low taxes, free enterprise and market forces.
Capitalism may have outdone itself in the USA though. No longer pure Capitalism there.
ov
4 years ago
Cappy
Life, Money and Illusion by Mike Nickerson is a good back for differentiating between legitimate economics and the corruption of speculation. He covers a lot of issues but doesn't harp on about them and I was really impressed with his objectivity.
G West
4 years ago
Nope sorry Cappy
I'm not surprised you'd want a tax system that plays to your strong suit. I want a tax system that's fair for all - we should have had it here in the mid-sixties when the Carter Royal Commission brought down its report.
If those changes had happened then, we wouldn't have the growing inequality, poverty, family breakdown and high cost housing we do today - in my view.
And it can still be fixed. I'm glad you're learning something - and I'm pleased you recognize that the American way is flawed. That's a start.
Start looking at what a change in tax policy would do - and think about some reform in the banking sector - and you and I might actually be able to enjoy a drink together some day.
village
4 years ago
Great Discussion Folks !
Keep it Up!
Village,