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Celebrity Journalism: Who's the Boss?

Notes on watching Edward Norton interview Bruce Springsteen.

By Mark Leiren-Young, 20 Sep 2010, TheTyee.ca

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I saw celebrity journalism's future -- and it was an interview with Bruce Springsteen.

As a fan of The Boss for so long I still remember the trauma when he released Born in the USA, and all the people in school I hated started crushing on him too. I was on fire when I heard he was doing an onstage interview with his buddy, Edward Norton, at the 2010 Toronto International Film Festival.

But as a journalist who once made his living writing personality profiles, I suddenly understood the meaning of the old phrase, "walking over my grave."

I interviewed Norton just a few hours before he interviewed Springsteen and he was clearly excited and enthusiastic about the gig. When I met Norton to talk about his new movie, Stone, he was clicking away on his Blackberry, exchanging texts with Rolling Stone founder, Jann Wenner, trying to find the perfect questions to set the stage for the premiere of The Promise: The Making of Darkness On The Edge of Town, which was goin' down moments after the scheduled Q&A session.

Star power

The event took place off the backstreets of Toronto at the new Bell Lightbox theatre as part of TIFF's "Mavericks" series, where one fan holding an album and a hardcover bio had waited over six hours at the door in the hopes of getting a glimpse of her hero or, better yet, scoring a few signatures.

CTV reporter Andria Case, broadcasting from outside the theatre, talked about scalped tickets for the event going for $300 a pop and teased the story of the classic album and how Springsteen culled it from 70 songs, tossing such future classics as "Fire" -- which he gave to The Pointer Sisters -- because they didn't fit the atmosphere he was going for.

My friend Nigel, who works for CBC TV, walked by en route to his office and told me Springsteen was the top story of the day in every media outlet in his hometown. He was preparing to cut a story about Norton talking about how he knew the owner of 20 Grammies, two Golden Globes and an Oscar.

The 470 tickets were sold out at $22.50 a pop, and a separate theatre allowing press and industry types to watch the event on a closed circuit feed was almost packed too. Maclean's called the interview "the hottest ticket at the festival" and the Toronto Sun reported that fans flew in from as far away as France and Hong Kong to catch the talk.

When the audience was seated, they were told that the first rule of fight club was that texting, tweeting and cellphone photography were prohibited. Surprisingly, journalists watching in the overflow room were also prohibited from recording the event in any way other than that old stand-by -- writing verrrrry quickly.

Audience with the Boss

Springsteen stepped on stage to a standing ovation and cries of "Brooooooce." He and Norton almost immediately joked about the fact that they were dressed in near matching uniforms of jeans, black shirts and boots. As they sat on stools on stage they talked about Springsteen's album, his history and his influences. Brooooooce was charming -- hey, like I said, I'm a fanboy -- as he talked about how neither he nor any of the members of the E Street Band had ever been on a plane before being signed by Columbia, and how long he and the boys used to be able to live forever off a few hundred bucks. He shared his love of music, literature and movies and a list of some of the authors and auteurs who influenced him, ranging from Bob Dylan to John Ford. He described the stories of Flannery O'Connor as "revelatory."

He talked about his passion for American film noir and how Darkness on the Edge of Town was conceived as a noir title and was heavily influenced by the work of Martin Scorsese, courtesy of a private screening of Mean Streets. He talked about how he wanted the band to be important, to make an impact.

Norton was perfectly cast in the role of a Springsteen fan capable of citing song titles, lyrics and obscure references, and he was ready to prove all night that he was worthy of being the intermediary between the rock icon and his fans. He'd known Springsteen for over a decade and there was a warm familiarity to the conversation.

The thing is... Norton wasn't just the proxy interviewer for the fans, he was also the proxy interviewer for the hundreds of reporters from around the world covering the festival, and the dozens of music journalists in and around Jungleland.

Where's your Oscar?

The onstage interview with Norton was pretty much the only "media" Springsteen was doing for his movie and new book/CD release in Toronto, and while celebrities interviewing each other is hardly new -- and most TV talk show hosts have far more fans than any of their guests -- I couldn't help thinking that in an age where access to interview subjects is getting more strictly managed all the time, and shrinking newsrooms have resulted in news feeds and press releases being treated like actual reporting, a songwriter whose career was arguably launched by journalist Jon Landau had found the perfect way to avoid granting access to journalists -- by turning an onstage conversation with an old friend into a mainstream media must.

As a few reporters snickered while Norton took his time winding his way to the question part of a question, I thought about a cranky movie star I'd interviewed at a roundtable with several other reporters earlier that day, and wondered if an Oscar or two from now he might decide the only person he's willing to talk to about his work with is someone he's been friends with for a dozen years.

I hope if that ever happens, the media -- who are supposed to be the proxy interviewers for the public -- won't be blinded by the light, will refuse to cover him and he'll be on radio nowhere. But I suspect he'd be more likely to make the front page of every paper, blog and website in the promised land and leave us all remembering the glory days when journalists got to ask questions.  [Tyee]

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  • rubiconchase

    1 year ago

    The mirror is the shiny thing on the wall

    Mark, I'm sure that you;re a very nice person who takes his journalistic ethics very seriously, but please. Take a step back and look at this in a broad context. Currently on the "they aren't trustworthy' list, just below the listings for lawyer, then politician, is journalist. Your profession has a serious issue with credibility these days. The Tyee does have a better rep than the larger papers and sites (that's why I'm here), ad I'm an even larger fan of independent and alternate sources, and it might not even make sense for that dynamic to be effecting entertainment journalism (or maybe it makes MORE sense), but I can absolutely see why somebody like Springsteen would want someone he trusts in the question-asking driver's seat.

    And then, of course, there's the marquee value of having a Springsteen/Norton double bill....

  • badwalrus

    1 year ago

    You can do better, Mark - I hope.

    This piece was ridiculously vacuous. What's wrong, Mark; didn't he make eye contact with you? Did he fail to sign your "Greetings from Asbury Park" album cover?Did you cry yourself to sleep?

    Springsteen is a genius of the medium that, for generations, was the truest elucidation of the collective psyche at the wheel of the "American Dream" (an is still driving). In many cases his lyrics reveal why the juggernaut ascended to the peak of modern culture, only to immediately drive it right off on its way to hell.

    Pieces like "Jungleland", "Born to Run", "Thunder Road", "Downbound Train", "The Ghost of Tom Joad", "The River", "Lost in the Flood", "Incident on 57th St", and myriad others are masterpieces/micro-novels that describe contemporary history in more poignant terms than newspapers do.

    It's rare to find the quality of social analysis that Springsteen conveys in his work. It's, sadly, almost as difficult to find meaningful journalism. Are the Tyee's contributors all vollunteers? Just asking...

  • jellybean

    1 year ago

    tell it to Oprah.

    Ah... sucks to be you,Leiron-Young. Buck up, brother - This is not Watergate, man, it's a celebrity interview at a pithy arts fest.

    Arts journalism ceased to have much meaning when the celebrity machine began dictating the rules. Genuine exploration is pretty tough to do anyway when Joe Publicist is telling writers what questions they can and cannot ask. At least with this kind of forum we can leave our disappointment at the door and still enjoy the show.

  • Blue Camas

    1 year ago

    In this, the Age of Entitlement...

    ...we all wonder why we can't get exactly what we want.

    As Dylan said to the journalist 50 years ago, "Why should I talk to you? Are you my friend?"

    But it isn't just journalists demanding some of the glitter from a star - celebrities just want to look good, and schleps like me just want to have cheap stuff.

    So, I ignore the jobs lost and the exploitation of Chinese workers, celebrities are just objects for selling stories, and the rest of us are just numbers, useful only for our wallets.

    Then we wonder why high school kids pass around photos of one of their classmates being raped as though it is just one more piece of entertainment.

    Sometimes a bright light rises above this murk, blinds us with an insight like "Born to Run" and we can't resist the urge to try and drag it back down to our level.

    Why can't we just appreciate whatever the maestro gives, in whatever format he chooses?

  • dorothy

    1 year ago

    Oh, for Chrissakes!

    "I can absolutely see why somebody like Springsteen would want someone he trusts in the question-asking driver's seat."

    What does 'soembody like Springsteen' mean? Does he have a lot of skeletons in his closet that he might not like being asked about, lest people think less of him? Does he have problems with use of correct idiom, so he might fear being hung out to dry as some hick? what is the delicacy that needs protection here? You can trust everybody, up to a point. The art of living is figuring out the point. I feel sorry for the guy, whoever he is, that he is not so astute that he can do other than turning himself into some hermit in order to not be put on the spot.

  • samuidave (not verified)

    1 year ago

    I was with you 'til here:

    "As a fan of The Boss for so long I still remember the trauma when he released Born in the USA"

    The rest of the article, well, it correctly pronounces our culture's deep root in controlling the message.

    I watched Springsteen do just that in concert in 1984 (yeah, I went anyhow). When, after 15 minutes and a few songs in, he dunked his dry head into a big bowl of iced water and proceeded to shake off his 'perspiration' on the crowd. This was, I suspect, to butress his image as the tireless, hard-driving, 4 hour entertainer. It's just that this 'act' was wrong in so many ways. I knew at that moment The Boss was a playa ;)

    It looks like not much has changed in 26 years. But why should it?

    I confess, I still love The River, Darkness and Nebraska, and there is no denying the man's got tons of talent. And I never did toss my original Born to Run Tee, tucked away somewhere for old time's sake. We are strange, irrational creatures, us folks.

  • badwalrus

    1 year ago

    The 3 to 4 hour concerts were typical in the 80's and 90's

    I've seen him wear out audiences with tireless performances in 3 different decades. The only other HOF rocker I felt displayed the same level of energy in concert was Neil Young. By the 3rd hour of manic guitar solos, stage stomping and caterwauling - you were genuinely concerned that he might hurt himself.

  • jnewcomb

    1 year ago

    IS THIS JUST A 'FOX-NEWS-NORTH' STORY?

    Why oppose Fox News North when we read this kind of story, which reeks of FNN kind of content.

  • mcCat

    1 year ago

    Hey, Mark,

    I mean, what's the point of covering Springsteen, anyway? I can see why the guy would choose to chat with a friend...Those journalists holed up in the peanut gallery across the way would only aske endless variations on the same questions he's already been asked a gazillion times.
    Am I wrong? What would you have asked Broooce, that would have been so stimulating?

    As a journalist, why not make yourself useful? Consider interviewing off the beaten path. Forget over-covered and prepackaged celebs. Or cover other people and facets in the arts, like, say, Kim Longinotto.

    The public doesn't NEED that same ol' same ol. Sorry, but that's why I agree with a comment above, that this article is vacuous.

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