George's Next Act
Stroumboulopoulos on learning from 'The One,' relaunching 'The Hour,' and refocusing the CBC.
Can the Fonzalopoulos come back?
This summer, we at The Tyee gave the former MuchMusic VJ and current CBC talking head George Stroumboulopoulos a royal spanking for his less-than-celebrated hosting stint on The One, an American reality show which caused a stir when it pre-empted The National on CBC, and another stir when it was cancelled after four episodes. Many other Canadians wondered what was happening with our public broadcaster and its host for the next generation.
But like all the best spankings, we did it out of love. And so, when Strombo’s peeps called with the offer for us to high-five it out with him, we jumped at the chance. After George pulled up to the tiny-little-dog-filled Opus Lounge in Yaletown, Vancouver, on his too-Strombo-for-words motorcycle chopper ("I don't pop wheelies anymore", he replied to our flippant suggestion that he Fonz it up for us), The Tyee sat down with the pop-culture icon to talk about how it all went wrong, what he's planning for the future, and how he feels about being the flagship personality for The New CBC.
Did our questions have any effect? In the opening segment of the season premiere of The Hour, while suiting up for hockey to some heavy metal music, he talked about the flak he’d recently got for doing The One. Then he interviewed Belinda Stronach, brought in a live studio audience (who laughted quietly – Canadian style? -- at his jokes and new late-night style features), and launched some flashy new graphics.
Will that be enough? This year, he’s in the 11:00 to midnight time slot, which means he’s up against Jon Stewart, CSI, Lloyd Robertson, Law & Order, Stephen Colbert, Jay Leno, and David Letterman. He has five writers on his show; Jon Stewart brought 30 writers on stage when he won an Emmy; Stephen Colbert has a rumoured 60 writers.
We’ve said before, the Fonzolopoulos used to be ‘The One.’ But after his stint this summer, he had some ‘splainin to do.
In his interview with The Tyee, here is what Stroumboulopoulos had to say...
On 'The One' mistake
I had a debate with myself about whether doing The One would fit with [my image and what I’ve done before] and I thought I’d better not take myself that seriously.
Do I care that it got cancelled? I don’t give a shit. I don’t care. I make TV shows for a living. Four out of five television shows get cancelled. That’s the deal. Seinfeld was taken off the air. Every show eventually gets pulled off the air. I’m ok with that.
People start to be a little too precious about television, and I think sometimes you just want to have fun, and I just don’t worry about that stuff. If you don’t like it, that’s cool, I get it. And in a way it’s flattering: they’re kind of mad at me because it means that they like what I do which is nice and I understand that.
On atoning for ‘The One’
I’m doing it now. But it’s not a plan. I was the same guy ten years ago as I was when I took this show. I have a radio show and I make jokes about The One all the time on the air. So I’ll probably make a joke about it. But it’s not strategic, I’m not trying to regain any popularity.
On why Canadian media hates the CBC
The One got a lot of attention. But it’s weird, because did you know ABC had five cancelled reality TV shows? Four of them ran on CTV and Global, but that never got reported. The only reason why The One is a story is because the media generally hates the CBC and takes any opportunity to rip the CBC. If something bad happens at CBC, look what’s new on the cover the next day.
I’m from the private sector media, I didn’t grow up watching CBC TV or listening to CBC radio, so it’s not like “Oh that’s George from the CBC of course he’s say that,” and I notice there is an unbelievable distain for the public broadcaster. And I think it’s because the CBC has historically been awful at fighting back. If CTV was to rip Global, Global would fight back and it would be a street fight. CBC is like (puts on old grandpa voice) “Oh, we don’t do that sort of thing, here.” And that’s good in some ways, but that’s why this happened.
On CBC's glory days
CBC’s mandate is to make content for Canadians. Well, Canadians watch reality shows all the time. As many Canadians watch Rock Star as watch the second period of the hockey game. If the CBC was all shows like The One it would be a colossal mistake. But when The One was cancelled they replaced it with a British crime drama and no one said anything because there’s this smug anti-Americanism thing that goes on.
People talk about the glory days at the CBC and how things used to be better. Well, you know what people used to watch in those days? Three’s Company and other American shows. That’s what people actually watched. We remember it differently now than it actually was. CBC’s biggest ratings ever has been The Simpsons.
On why ‘The One’ stank
The thing with The One was that they did a shitty job of telling people what the show was. The promos they ran made it look like it was going to be a talent contest. It wasn’t. It was a reality show with kids trying to find their dream. That’s what it was. So the marketing was wrong.
I looked at The One and found Mary Jane Blige, and the president of Motown records and Mark Hudson who gave Ozzy Osborne his first number one single and worked with Aerosmith, Ringo Star. And they were all on board so I thought ok, this is going to be good.
On selling out
When Bob Dylan sold his song to Bank of Montreal, and his response to the criticism was that song didn’t mean the same thing to him anymore, it made me think, “I’m going to do it.” But it wasn’t rancid on The One. All you have to do is meet one of those kids and look in their eyes and you know they’re talented. Of the eleven kids we had, seven were better singers than anyone I’ve interviewed in my career with only a few exceptions.
On the upside of failure
That show put me in front of 10 million people some of whom will go to the website and check out The Hour. I get interviews with Hollywood celebs now because they saw the show, they go to the site, and then their manager says you should go on the show. We’re not ABC, we’re not NBC, we’re the CBC in Canada so that kind of thing helps.
On caribou Canadians
We’re Canadian at The Hour. But I’m the kind of Canadian who doesn’t beat you with a caribou hoof to show you how Canadian I am. I’m not that kind of Canadian.
On CBC’s MIA youth viewers
Did you know CBC’s average audience is younger than CTV’s average audience by four years? Nobody knows that. Yeah, [CTV's viewers] are over sixty. That’s across the board in America too. That’s who watches the news. Because I get my news on the Guardian website and so do other young people. But we do have young people and grandparents watching The Hour.
I would never presume that I am part of the answer [to youth viewers]. CBC needs to keep doing it and need to be brave. CBC has a lot of challenges ahead of them and they have not been good over the last 10 years.
On the late night show down
At 11:00 there’s, Jon Stewart, Lloyd Robertson, CSI, Law & Order, then at 11:30 you add Letterman, Leno and Colbert. Yeah we’re fucking dead, man.
On staring down Colbert’s 60 writers
I have, including me – Dave, Bob, Randy and a few new guys so now I have seven guys.
On competing with the big boys
We’re going to compete because we’re not them, we don’t do what they do. I’m not a comic, I don’t need to be jokey joke boy all the time.
On one episode, I’ll interview Matt Damon but I’ll also be on a satellite phone with Morgan Sangurai on a field in Zimbabwe because he’s planning to overthrow Robert Mugabe. So the question will be do people want to watch that kind of show at that time? And the answer to that is I don’t know. We did fine at 8:00. I don’t know if we will at 11:00.
On wanting to be Radiohead
I’m not going to be Celine Dion. I don’t want to be Celine Dion. CTV is Celine Dion. Lots of people like Celine Dion. Far fewer people like Radiohead, but I’d rather have Radiohead’s life. Everything is presented in a light that we need to beat CTV. I don’t need to beat CTV. We want to have the career of those bands where at the end of the run, because nothing is forever, we can say, “Yeah we did our thing, we’ve done it.”
That’s why The One was so important for me to do. I can’t take myself that seriously. I can’t just be the punk rock guy. But you know even punk rock is doing whatever you want. And I wanted to stand up for the CBC and be a part of something that could be interesting. I want my life to be enriched.
On the future and teens in chicken soup paddling pools
On MuchMusic, I remade a girl’s bedroom decorated in the spirit of Avril Lavigne when I was 31 and she was 15. That was ok to me because you were giving a girl a treat and it was really cool. But on the first episode of Fandemonium I was walking down the street for an episode about Britney Spears and there were two girls beating each other up in a kiddie pool filled with chicken soup and I looked at the producer -- and I’m not a dick I’m easy to work with -- but I looked at her said, "What are you doing to me? What do you want me to do here?"
And I’m not the best at what I do; I work really hard at it. But for the first time in my career, I thought I’m really awful at my job, I must suck at this. I will be exposed as a fraud. And they said, “Oh no we love it you were great.” And I hated it. I liked the people, but I didn’t like the show.
But if we don’t win at the CBC it will be ok, because we’ll die trying.
Elaine Corden writes about TV and culture for The Tyee. Vanessa Richmond is managing editor of The Tyee.
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_brian_
5 years ago
Comments on "George's Next Act"
Seems to me when you have to crack a joke every 30 seconds on the John Stewart show then you would need 30 writers and if you wanted to keep the audience that John Stewart attracted in the time slot right before you then you would need 60 writers to keep those jokes and satire coming. But the Hour is not like that it is based upon getting interesting stories about people that you only hear about or most of the time never hear about with main stream news. It is about asking the right questions in an interview situation no matter where they are in the world. This interviewing style is engaging and tends to write itself because you do not know what their answers will be. You only have to concentrate on the correct questions. so there you have a reason for less writers. John Stewart's writers are creating American shtick. I like John Stewart but it is just a contemporary spin on American styled political satire that Bob Hope and Johnny Carson developed. Seems to me you just don't need all the writers if you are trying to come up with a new joke every 10 seconds.
So 5 writers is ok when you look at the type of writing going on. Many people with a cause would not go near John Stewart because that cause they are so dedicated to gets shredded by jokes, all the more reason to have an entertaning show with an intelligent edge where they feel at ease and can get their point across in a non stuffy way.
Logjam 603
5 years ago
"pop-culture icon " Say what ??
Georgy boy is a self-obsessed dufus who never met a mirror or a camera he didn't love (hey, wait a minute,that's Jack Taliban bin Laydown's claim to fame) and is a perfect fit for the Canadian Broadcorping Castration, aka, Pravda.
The sooner we cut the CBC's addiction to taxpayers dollars from the current $billion to ZERO, the better.
First party to promise to cut CBC funding gets my vote.
guanolad
5 years ago
Er, I think "Radio Head" is actually the English prog-indie-rock band "Radiohead."
haraldkann
5 years ago
Only time we agree ,but i have to point out they been pushing personalities and certain shows for years to keep the ball rolling and when you build up a fan base then you can ask for more money.
We will never get rid of the CBC til we get rid of the psudeo intellectuals like Sheila Rodgers AND George Knobolopolous,cause they just spread the disease.
I am sure Dr. Suzuki can find a job by now.
spanky
5 years ago
george rocks, he will be just fine. leave the man alone.
Truman Green
5 years ago
I don't get it. Why do you guys hate the CBC? If its budget went down to zero, just how happy do you suppose the Aspers would be?
Plenty of good stuff on The Passionate Eye.
Solomon even grilled Lee Hamilton about 911.
A lot of their stuff takes a large amount of guts--even independence.
Strombo's embarrassing to watch, but for a kid, he's got some fairly decent smarts on international real politik.
Does Canwest still do 'CBC Watch?'
Booker
5 years ago
If you only want to hear the views of the CEO's, support Canadian private broadcasters. If you want a little variety, support the CBC.
cabsavy
5 years ago
Trouble is, you can hate the cbc or love it, watch it or ignore it, but you have to pay for it no matter what. I happen to think it is unfettered garbage for the most part, along with abc, cbs, ctv etc., but cbc is the only one sucking down my tax dollars.
If you like to watch it, fine, just don’t expect others to pay for it. If the cbc was forced to get its funding like pbs does, we would not be subjected to such crap from them. Might be a needed shot of humility for them to beg a little.
cosmo
5 years ago
The insults are way out of line.
George does a great job. Coming from the under-35 crowd, I think he's does fine and intelligent work, while trying to target a rather fickle, clueless, and demanding generation with very short attention spans.
He 'jazzes' it up a bit because the CBC (in part) is targeting younger viewers. I think he does it well.
It sounds like that offends a few of the hyper-cerebral Tyee readers, but then again, [/I]everything[I] offends hyper-cerebral Tyee readers.
He is trying to do a difficult thing by blending together current events with pop/global culture.
I think we're lucky to have a host who is in touch with people under 35. And those of us on the older end of the scale are willing to make a few allowances if it brings in some of those on the younger.
Keep doing what you're doing George, and don't worry about the negative vibes from a few of the die-hard Gzowsky purists.
Not that I don't rever Gzowsky...
BC Mary
5 years ago
When I hear Canadians braying aloud, trying to destroy their own public broadcaster, that's when I feel a sense of despair for this country.
darcy.mcgee
5 years ago
CBC radio consistently produces excellent programming.
CBC television consistently leaves me wondering why people like Steve Burgess feel that they're entitled to so many of my tax dollars.
CBC is an absolutel need; this doesn't mean it shouldn't be accountable.
darcy.mcgee
5 years ago
Not really. George trades on publicity and the cult of personality. He's not entitled to receive the benfits of it on the one hand without accepting the other side of fame.
Belinda Stronach has learned the same lesson.
Life is different for public figures, and it's a bit different for public figures that are paid for by public tax dollars.
cabsavy
5 years ago
Poor Mary
What if, for example, Fox news was the national broadcaster, and you were forced to contribute to it year after year, believing their news coverage biased, their documentaries inaccurate, and their programing lousy. Now you know the meaning of despair.
Stump
5 years ago
While it's true that taxpayers fund the CBC in large part (and get good value for their money IMO) the idea that private broadcasters rely completely on their own money is to ignore the production funds and tax credits that in essence are our tax dollars.
So, the CBC isn't the only broadcaster spening public money and the statement that they are the only broadcaster wasting your money is erroneous.
BC Mary
5 years ago
Cabsavvywiththeflattires ... you just don't get it, do you?
Fox couldn't possibly be the national public broadcaster ... ye gods, get a grip. Get a lesson.
cabsavy
5 years ago
Mary
I was merely using Fox network to make a point, one that you obviously missed. That’s why I said “for exampleâ€. I’ll try and make it simpler next time.
Stump, I agree with you. Tax credits and other corporate write-offs are paid out of taxpayers pockets, but the robbery isn’t as blatant. It doesn’t make it right. It also doesn’t alter the fact that cbc is a waste of money.
BC Mary
5 years ago
Backfiringcabsavy ... you're part of the problem, if you agree that the public broadcaster should be starved of funds and still expected to serve every corner of the world's 2nd largest country plus the overseas arm which keeps the troops and the travelers aware of Canadian news.
Or, no, let them do without. Or worse, let them turn to Fox, CNN, the warmongering channels.
Starve CBC some more, the fabric begins to rip and tear. Then, even the Backfiring Cabsavys will be able to detect some flaws and will try to use their clever discoveries to destroy the network which specializes in Canadian news and Canadian unity.
Such a waste, you say. Such a terrible thing. And don't kid us. It's because you watch Fox that you have no clue about what CBC is, was, and needs.
haraldkann
5 years ago
As a Canadian who grew up on the CBC diet, i feel a lot of us still love the CBC but not what it has become and there in lies the problem.
The CBC has stretched itself too THIN and does not (IMHO) offer general programming that all can sink their teeth into.
THE TARGET...YOUTH TODAY
And i will agree there are still good offerings from the MOTHERCORP...but few and far between.
And all you have to do to really understand programming is QUESTION why the CBC constantly reruns ,THE SIMPSONS,FRASIER AND CORONATION STREET.
it's like these shows gots a fan base dude and ADVERTISERS are gonna buy time.
So you can blame Carole Taylor and everyone of the Rabinovitch alcolytes at the CBC for selling us CRAP...
Small wonder Carole Taylor left the CBC,rats know when the ship is taking on water and about to go down.
And she left behind many misandrists who are now fighting the old boys for control.
Now that is a battle none of us will be privy to.
George is being pimped off to sell advertising...THAT IS WHAT TELEVISION IS
A sales medium...nothing more.
cabsavy
5 years ago
Actually Mary, I don’t watch either network for the same reason. They are just way too biased to be credible.
However, there are shows I like to watch, and seeing how you have such a strong belief in others paying for your entertainment, perhaps you would send me a small check every month to help me pay for what I like to watch, just to even things out.
Glad to hear you’re so supportive of our troops. Me too. Maybe we could send some of the billion a year the cbc blows to our soldiers for better equipment. That would show real support.
canary
5 years ago
First off* George is at the top of my list of watchable celebs because he did a tremendous investigative search and presentation of the "top canadian" Tommy Douglas in last years "History Survivor Candidate" show on CBC. You did a super job of presenting the story of a canadian hero, George! George is politically and media smart! We are lucky to have him still here in Canada. Actually, thank goodness they didn't tempt him to stay longer south of the border.
Secondly, CBC is at the top of my TV and radio watch and listen list, because they tell it from a CANADIAN perspective; particularly the News channel (Passionate Eye) will give you some inside looks like you may have never really seen before.
I was once living for 18 years in a remote area/hobby farm when other duties took me away from academic endeavors. CBC "IDEAS" at 9p.m. was my university of the airwaves. Uniquely canadian! I will never forget the lectures and research series that were fascinating listening out there on the farm. Such is one of the lucky situations of living in Canada.
Yes, I am now a public schoolteacher in the mainstream of canadian life; but with a wealth of learning and experience brought in part from CBC radio interviews and programs.
No, I am not an employee of public radio in Canada. I enjoy American public broadcasting stations as well. Some of their programming is very enlightening.
But George... glad you are still here in this country!
G West
5 years ago
CBCTV, CBC Radio and Newsworld are the best value for the money in the country. I'd like to know what kind of public affairs programming this country would have if there were no CBC. What kind of international reporting we'd get to reflect Canadian values.
Global, CTV, A channel?
You've got to be kidding. CBC is far from perfect, but compared with all the rest it's a jewel.
rebel
5 years ago
George does a great job. The new show "INTELLIGENCE" is really good too. Long live the CBC!
massromantic
5 years ago
quick, george
name one radiohead song besides "creep", "karma police" and "paranoid android"
i thought so.
[personally, i'm not at all impressed with the hour. i feel like it's the "teenager" version of the news. its' like reading dose. i always feel like i need to read a reputable news source to corroborate his information. but that's just my two cents]
Stump
5 years ago
Hmm, no offence to teenagers, but I think we need a teenage version of the news, even if it is a little 'dumbed-down'. If if involves and engages a demographic usually overlooked in news programming I think that's a good thing.
darcy.mcgee
5 years ago
So, the CBC isn't the only broadcaster spening public money and the statement that they are the only broadcaster wasting your money is erroneous.
I didn't make that statement. CBC relies on BOTH direct grants in addition to benefiting from grants provided to the producers of content. To suggest that their situation is not unique is erroneous.
Showcase shows an awful lot of questionable programming funded by tax dollars: far be it from me to censor, but if my tax dollars are going to be used to produce art they should be used to produce art, not third rate soft core pornography.
I'm reminded of the debate over This Hour Has 22 MInutes a couple of years ago: CBC was going to cancel it in the abasence of a grant from Heritage Canada. I found this appaling -- I love 22 Minutes, but if the CBC isn't making money at it after 11 years without it receiving direct production grants in ADDITION to the fact that it's benefiting from being on CBC, perhaps it should be cancelled?
Da Vinci's Inquest morphed into Da Vinci's Political Manifeso and was still funded....and now it seems thatt Chris Haddock will be funded for life. I think the man is extremely talented, but am I supposed to keep funding him for the next 20 years?
I'm not, incidentally, that much happier about my tax dollars having supported the production of Catwoman in Vancouver. I think Haley Berry supports this viewpoint as well.
Stump
5 years ago
Their (the CBC) situation is not that unique. Most of the provinces have educational channels that get funding from the public as well as private sources right?
The whole reason we fund the CBC is so that there is an outlet for media that is NOT profit-based. That's a good thing in my mind. Even better that we don't have a PBS style situation here where the broadcaster has to rely on the vagaries of donations to survive.
If you believe we need innovative, inventive television, if you think the for-profit stations don't cover the issues adequately, and if you think there needs to be some kind of cultural bulward against American lowest-common demoninator media, then you should be happy we fund and maintain the CBC.
Stump
5 years ago
Of course I meant bulwark, not bulward. My middle fingers got confused.
Stump
5 years ago
Apparently I can't spell 'denominator' on the first try either!
Stump
5 years ago
"I love 22 Minutes, but if the CBC isn't making money at it after 11 years without it receiving direct production grants in ADDITION to the fact that it's benefiting from being on CBC, perhaps it should be cancelled?"
I think you need to ask yourself if you believe criticism and satire must be profitable for it to be of use to the general public.
I doubt anyone ever asked the court jester if he was showing a profit if I may make a comparison.
SayBlade
5 years ago
The sooner we cut the CBC's addiction to taxpayers dollars from the current $billion to ZERO, the better.
First party to promise to cut CBC funding gets my vote.
If the Mother Corp is stripped of its budget, then the Other Corps, CTV and Global TV ought to be weened off the taxpayer teat as well since they get government funding, too. They are redundant in prime time since you can watch their stuff on the US networks. If anything, CBC needs lots more funding and better leadership so it can get rid of the advertising that the private broadcasters need to feed their bottom line.
BC Mary
5 years ago
The anti-CBC steamsters seem to think that the CBC budget is something that the public broadcaster can pump up anytime they wish ... and could therefore, if they wished, stop "stretching themselves thin" or buying cheap U.S. fill-in programs, etc.
Cripes, don't you know that the CBC budget is decided in Parliament? And that our public broadcaster valiantly serves its mandate as best it can, within the limitations imposed upon it?
spanky
5 years ago
fukkin clowns, george rocks. fuk the cbc. it can rot.
haraldkann
5 years ago
George showed us his smarts last night with previewing a site that posted a monkey pissing in its own mouth.
Typical CBC holier than thou and smarter and vicious and stupid and...WHAT WERE WE TALKIN BOUT MAN ! damn these drugs are good and they pay me to play the pied piper to all the psuedo intellectuals.
The CBC thursday 12 oct 2006 showed what they are capable of,with the show that was aired in that slot on the TV.
THAT WAS INTELLIGENT .
And as an aside here,you all notice how many CBC types mention the TYEE.CA website???and yes they got their whole shift to spend time here.
NEVER MIND THAT DEAD AIR !
Booker
5 years ago
Haraldkann, get back to work!
RickW
5 years ago
Stump:
is for the same reasons we have public roads joining the country together. I haven't yet seen anyone saying "Fu*k the roads! Rip them up!"
BC Mary
5 years ago
Ha! Good 'un, RickW. Gladdened my heart.
Moat
5 years ago
The CBC has some excellent programming. However, it makes dumb descisions that lose viewers.
Rember the show the "Kids in the Hall"? Many viewers in thier late teens/twenties used to watch it with great enthusiasm. Evenings out were even planned around it.
However, scheduling was at times erratic, and sometimes a viewer was given "Adrienne Clarkson Presents" instead of being treated to a new espisode. Now, what sort of critical thinker would think that viewers would gladly stay on the chanel know taht Adrienne Clarkson was substitute programming.
As for George S., he'll be fine. At least we are speaking of him as a personality, not another TV host. He is a favorite target of Neil Mcrae in the mornings.... but Mcrae should be wondering what is going down with his workplace before he levels criticsm.
Oh yeah, CNKW lost hockey..... but the picked up Charles Adler. Oooooh, what a slow painful death.
Canwest, Corus, ughhh, I feel guilty watching you sink, but I felt great cancelling my subscription to the Sun.
Seaotter
5 years ago
Commentor: Seaotter
Perhaps the least offencive fence between the US and Canada is (and should remain) the CBC!
The NFB, our National Railway(s) Air Canada,
and, as commentor RickW noted, our public highway system, helps hold our unique nation together.
Oh yes, and what do we say on the CBC? For one
thing, we provide air time for talented young
Canadians; a platform for free speach; and,
as everyone with half a brain must be aware, we
Canadians enjoy world wide respect for honesty
and integrity Via CBC News and Public affairs.
I enjoyed the article by Vanesssa and Elaine.
Thank you for keeping The Tyee in touch with
who we are as Canadians! We may love our
neighbors from the USA, but we have good reason
to be proud as we remain Canadian. The CBC is
our flag ship. Please keep us strong and free!
bardoponde
5 years ago
George who? I threw my television out of the window how many years ago. Best thing I ever did.
Now, if we could only GET RID of CBC television and rebuild CBC radio...
peefer
5 years ago
Yeah, it has some great shows but for the most part CBC sucks.
On the other hand, the other networks just suck, period.
haraldkann
5 years ago
Thank you for keeping The Tyee in touch with
who we are as Canadians! We may love our
neighbors from the USA, but we have good reason
to be proud as we remain Canadian. The CBC is
our flag ship. Please keep us strong and free!
The CBC types laud the TYEE...and the TYEE kisses the collective CBC butts.
Watching the CBC,you are innundated with AMERICAN SHOWS and AMERICAN PRODUCTS,how CANADIAN your thinking is.
Now, if we could only GET RID of CBC television and rebuild CBC radio...
Now that is thinking is it not ???
Ever hear of SATTELITE RADIO ??? Geez,even the CBC can read the writing on the wall.
Right now i am listening to Sheila Rodgers and the most loose purse in the GG's office...whatsherface , Adrianne Clarkson.
What a load of CRAP flows from the speakers.I can almost smell the stink of SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.