Nothing unusual in this.

Nothing unusual in this. Christy is trying to play up to the "conservative" vote, Harper, the Fraser Inst. and the university economics departments.

This is all about "prosperity" and "wealth creation", together with their secret deals to sell off BC and Canada to the international corporate mafia, the 15 million slave labour kids in India and the billion slaves in commie China.

Ed Deak.

Adrian, I have a problem with

Adrian, I have a problem with the Liquefied Natural Gas that some people in business and Government (and the NDP) have been yakking about. Siberia is loaded with natural gas, they got so much of it they don't know what to do with it. If one looks at a map Siberia is a lot closer to China than we are and it's easier and cheaper to pipe it than to compress it into a liquid and then ship it. So why in hell's sake are we going to go spend all that money to build a whole brand new facility in Kitimat and go in competetion againt the Russians when it's a no-win situation for us? Are we that stupid?

The big question...

The big question will be what happens when the oily Harper regime approves the pipeline and the new NDP government says "No Way." Will Harper then try to override provincial jurisdiction over the land base? If so, will it become a constitutional debate at the Supreme Court? This should be the topic of another Tyee article that includes interviews with various university experts.

this pipeline was a done deal years before

it was ever announced to the people. The only ones who are going to stop it are the people, on the ground, at the front. The war is already on, don't waste your time and energy with the posturing Quislings and idiot Chamberlains.

what's the point of this article?

It's entirely self-serving. It sheds not a ray of light on anything other than Dix is your prototypical politician.

Do we need to be reminded that Clark and the Liberals are world-class losers? Dix spend 3/4 of the article pointing this out. So the argument goes, since the NDP are the opposition they mustn't be world-class losers as well. Too bad for him some of us know better.

The point of the article is obvious.

It is to define the difference between them. Anyone can understand that.

Dix to Clark

The opinion Mr. Dix sent to Ms. Clark is the same one many of us have been sending her for quite some time. Her failure to even register the province to present information to the panel is negligent if not criminal. By remaining with her head stuck in the (tar)sand, she is giving tacit approval to the project, regardless of what the people of the province want. Shame on her and shame on this provincial government.

Adrian, let's hear your position on 10 yrs of Liberal corruption

Full disclosure: I am not inclined to trust any of these politicos further than I can throw them.

Thank you Mr. Dix for explaining the provincial NDP's position on Enbridge etc.

How about a similar declaration on corrupt IPP's, P3's, BC Rail etc. It's a long list. Campbell had no compunction about ripping up contracts when it suited his purpose. It's high time we talked about ripping up corrupt contracts, drawn up in back rooms, against the public interest.

I'm absolutely fed up of politicians of all stripes behaving like wannabe CEO's. Sucking up to corporate influence and paying themselves astronomic salaries and benefits, instead of ALWAYS acting in the public interest. In this regard Mr. Dix has a way to go.

Christy Clark has no backbone

Christy Clark is the most incompetant person who has occupied the Premier's chair in the past 50 years. Her unwillingness to look after BC's interests by at least registering as a government intervenor to the NEB JRP process shows how unworthy she is to lead our government. The NDP and BC Conservatives have now outflanked her with the NDP opposed and the Conversatives in agreement with the Northern Gateway project. Her total focus on the hopeless desire to get elected Premier has trumped doing anything worthwhile for BC. She needs to get the hell out of the way and let someone with the best interests of BC take over. Her ineptitude and incompetance are an embassesment to us all.

It's a shell game

Which political hat is the honest leader hiding under? By the time we figure out the answer is none of the above, we're well past our prime.

pipeline a done deal comment

I agree with the comment by Hakuin. The battle will be won "by the people, on the ground, at the front." One person at a time ...

An NDP Shell Game

We have the expansion of the Transmountain pipeline from Edmonton to the Lower Mainland/ west coast.

Basically a new oil pipeline twinning the existing pipeline.

More importantly, the twinning will go through more environmentally sensitive territory that the Northern Gateway pipeline. Imagine that!

That is, the Transmountain twinning goes through the Fraser River watershed - BC's most invaluable fishery.

So Northern Gateway is "BAD" but the Transmountain oil pipeline twinning is "OK"?

And oil supertankers in Georgia Strait, the Strait of Juan De Fuca, and the west coast of Vancouver Island/southern BC coast is OK?

What gives? Ohhh, I know. It's the BC NDP. Silly me!

Nothing new here. Time to move on folks.

Van Isle

Apparently you don't understand the international lng industry, the current North American natural gas market, etc.

Simply put, the "we" that you refer to are joint ventures involving $50 billion - $100 billion in private capital. Massive private capital requirements. No taxpayer bucks involved - esp. if natural gas IPP power is involved without BC Hydro. Caveat - with ~7% of that ng power, BC won't receive royalty revenue. C'est la vie.

So far, these are done deals:

1. Encana/Apache/EOG lng terminal (Kitimat);
2. Royal Dutch Shell consortium (Kitimat);
3. Petronas consortium (Prince Rupert);

And the lng purchasers are utilities in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, even Malaysia in due course, China, India, etc. And they are looking for "stable" political jurisdictions for their lng purchases. Even Europe is now looking to NA to ween itself off Russian ng/lng due to Russia's inherent political/industrial instability.

North American ng prices are ~$2 MMBtu, which is due to the vast new discoveries in shale gas. Japan pays ~$17 MMBTu and enter into 20 - 30 year lng contracts that are based upon the price of oil. And those long-term, tied-in, contracts "monetise" BC's shale gas plays.

Kitimat/Prince Rupert will likely become mini Fort McMurrays over the next 5+ years as a result of lng.

Australia, far ahead of the lng game, has 10+ lng projects in various stages with private capital investment of $250 BILLION!

And Australia's economy is probably the best in the world today as a result of these same lng developments. Relatively low unemployment, rising living standards due to high incomes, etc. You can look it all up online.

BC could potentially be the wealthiest province in Canada rivalling Alberta after 2020 as a result of these lng developments.

Sigh. Based upon your comment it's quite apparent that the MSM has not been fulfilling its duties.

First Nations - Run of River - IPP Power - NDP Support?!

Well, First Nations "CLEAN POWER" is actually Run-of-the-River IPP power delivered to BC Hydro that the NDP and its cronies always seems to scream about in the negative.

Will the real BC NDP stand up? You can fool some of the folks some of the time, but ya can't fool all of the folks all of the time!

This factoid will bite the BC NDP in the butt big time. What the hell is going on here? Curious minds just wanna know!

Cool hand,

You're right. Projects must generate a net benefit to BC.

'Clean power' IPPs which are bankrupting BC Hydro with un-needed overpriced power don't qualify.

Cool Hand

You seem to be a little desperate. If you are so willing to accept pipelines running through the Fraser Valley watershed remember the people up North take their environment much more seriously. What works in the biggest clear cut in the lower mainland doesn't work up North. Also then Enbridge line effects the Fraser as well as the Skeena. That comparison is a non starter.

Perhaps you could address the lack of a response on anything from your pal Christy rather than worry about Adrian Dix stating his position. Curious minds wanna know that.

China will hit the wall

sooner than gas and oil fetishists care to see. All we have to do is delay the pipelines and our beaches can yet be saved.

Dix on Clark on Enbridge

So what's your solution to getting British Columbians' interests re the petrogoo pipeline properly represented, Mr. Dix?

As an avid follower of The Tyee, you're no doubt familiar with economist Robyn Allan's solution: bail out of the Fed-dominated Joint Review [via Clause 6], and establish a Provincial project review.

Clause Six, Mr. Dix; INVOKE CLAUSE SIX !

Sorry about posting twice but

Sorry about posting twice but we have to see the difference between Adrian Dix and Ms. dithers.Adrian clearly placed the party position in front of the commission, she hasn't and probrably won't. So which is a real leader we can trust. Adrian of course.Less than na year to the booting of many Liberals and most likely the rather airheaded present Liberal so called leader

That pipeline will never be

That pipeline will never be built. Harper will be forced out of office sometime next year and sooner or later the world will find out that the long distance transport of resources and products in not "cheaper", but incredibly more expensive.

Regardless of the BS miseducated monetary economists and " conservative" politicians are telling the sucker public to sell the world to the corporate mafia with their "free trade" fraud.

The present, disastrous Chinese and other slave labour economies will collapse and the world will have to rebuild local, physically efficient and sustainable economies, or commit suicide with the continuation of the present human and environmental destruction.

Ed Deak.

Skywalker

One would have to be a complete rube to think there is a difference in substance between the BCNDP and the BC Liberals.

Gateway Proponent gives NDP Cash

"...and Enbridge ($3,000)"

http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/07/03/NDP-Business/

igbymac

I guess anyone who conducts polls and anyone who thinks they have some value or who notices BC Liberal support slipping away, must be a rube. All those voters who will vote NDP even if it is to just get rid of the liberals are rubes as well.

Also anyone who reads this article and gets a sense of the NDP position on the Enbridge pipeline is also a rube and the 90's were the same as the last 12 years, yeah right!

Articles like this happen too often.

Someone authors an article, makes a lot innuendos, challenges, etc. than walks away. The posters here are asking a lot of questions, and rightly so. Since he wrote an unsolicited article for the TYEE, doesn't he have a responsibility to answer some of the questions that have been brought up? It's not that I disagree with Dix's basic premises, but if there are any misinterpretations of what Dix is saying than it behooves him to stick around, read some of the comments, and answer those questions that need a reply. In my opinion.

So I guess it's a safe bet

now that Dix has come out and stated the NDP fully supports LNG exports......that the Tyee will no longer be printing Nikofork anti frakking articles that gets the rank and file all cranked up?
And I thought the NDP was one big tent. Mulcair has stated in no uncertain terms the NDP opposes frakking.
So...who blinks first? Or, more likely the party will do what it does best....strike a Committee full of academics and civil servants and public sector reps to "further study" the implications of said mining practices. Meanwhile the gas will be flowing....

Happy-Frakking-Nikiforuk

As Nikiforuk adoringly wrote about George Monbiot, "I admire his writing
immensely....,
Monbiot admits that his cantankerous proposals will raise the price of electricity and heating by 100 per cent, but adds that peak oil has already ramped up the cost of being comfortable by 70 per cent in recent years. ...
What politician wants to champion "a campaign not for abundance but for austerity." How many
university philosophers would argue "not for more freedom but for less." Strangest of all, how does one deal with a tropical species that has colonized the planet and now unconsciously seeks to establish equatorial climes everywhere, all the time?

Monbiot, God bless him, doesn't have an answer to that one. "

Can you imagine if these guys had their way? BCers are complaining about a few cents on their fuel due to the Carbon Tax and these guys want to up it 100%!

Nikiforuk, no doubt, will be commenting on Monbiot's latest confession of error (remember Monbiot also said he was wrong about veganism) that Peak Oil is no more, in fact it never existed and he, and all the others were wrong. Last weeks' Guardian, "Some of us made vague predictions, others were more specific. In all cases we were wrong. ..."

How about skyrocketing food prices and displaced third-world farmers due to the super-trendy ethanol fuel boom George? Oh that's coming next week.

How about thousands of

How about thousands of dislocated Canadian farmers, sold to the international corporate mafia by " conservative" governments, permitting them to control feed, grains, beef and other animal prices, feedlots, and now planning to dislocate more by wiping out the supply management system .

We were forced to sell out our herd of cattle, because we couldn't afford to feed them in the winters from our pensions, due to the price fixings by a US company in control of the Canadian feed/beef markets.

There are no "lower prices" and "cost cuttings", only cost transfers by dictatorial systems bent to destroy private enterprise with forced collectivization of the economy into the hands of the communist/capitalist conspiracy. "Cost cutting" means making somebody else, or the environment pay the full costs.

A "conspiracy theory" ? Nice PR BS.

What are our corrupt governments engaged in now with their secret negotiations with other crooks, planning to destroy democracy to feed the insatiable profit demands of the corporate mafia. Are these rackets not conspiracies behind tightly closed doors ?

I started my first manufacturing business in Vancouver in 1957 with a $500. bankloan and was employing a half dozen skilled tradesmen within 2 weeks. There were hundreds of thousands of private businesses and family farms all over.

Where are they now ? Collectivized by multinational agribiz and other communist rackets. With people egging for minimum wage "jobs, jobs, jobs" to stay "competitive" with Mr.Harper's and the rest's commie friends in China and Vietnam .

Ed Deak.

Be nice if people actually read all of what Monbiot has to say

"There is enough oil in the ground to deep-fry the lot of us, and no obvious means to prevail upon governments and industry to leave it in the ground. Twenty years of efforts to prevent climate breakdown through moral persuasion have failed, with the collapse of the multilateral process at Rio de Janeiro last month. The world's most powerful nation is again becoming an oil state, and if the political transformation of its northern neighbour is anything to go by, the results will not be pretty."

Like the grasshopper, there will always be a few around who're happy to whistle their way into the graveyard.