Signs of BC Lib Implosion
Why are backbenchers rebelling against Clark? They're watching their backs.
Cartoon by Ingrid Rice.
"If something such as an organization implodes, it is completely destroyed by things that are happening within it." -- Macmillan Dictionary
The BC Liberals are starting to implode over dissatisfaction with the job Premier Christy Clark is doing -- and their own fears of impending doom.
The evidence became clear last week when backbench MLAs John van Dongen and Randy Hawes -- both ex-cabinet ministers -- took tough public shots at their own government.
Their rebellion was for good reason: the terrible treatment of adults with development disabilities by Community Living B.C., the government agency that's supposed to help them.
Instead, as first Hawes and then Van Dongen outlined, CLBC has been closing group homes and forcing the most vulnerable in society into new situations that they and their families don't accept.
The New Democrats had led the charge with story after story of dislocation and misery. Hawes and Van Dongen surprised all by backing up their political opponents rather than the beleaguered rookie minister, Stephanie Cadieux.
But behind the well-founded complaints is another story of frustrations with Clark finally boiling over in public.
Dropping in polls
Even BC NDP leader Adrian Dix heard about a tense meeting of B.C. Liberal MLAs last Tuesday, saying to Clark in the Legislature: "This isn't like the Liberal caucus where she can say: 'Shut up, or I'll call the election.'" Clark immediately denied Dix had it right but the damage done was obvious.
The reasons are many. A new Ipsos-Reid poll sees the BC Liberals falling seven points to 38 per cent, behind the NDP's 45 per cent despite leading them by two points in May. And despite Clark's charm offensive, 46 per cent already disapprove of her performance while 45 per cent approve.
That may reflect voters' views that Clark's performance as premier has been more of an extended photo opportunity than a demonstration of vision and leadership.
Perhaps nothing showed that more than her clamouring to get in front of cameras to hog credit for B.C.'s Seaspan winning an $8 billion navy shipbuilding contract last week.
Clark was deputy premier when the BC Liberal government encouraged B.C. Ferries to give a $540 million deal for three new vessels to Germany, badly damaging the provincial industry. But Clark showed no sense of irony in embracing the same company that was blocked from even bidding seven years ago.
It's hardly a surprise for a premier who has repeatedly flip-flopped on major policy issues from the Harmonized Sales Tax to an election call.
Leaky hull
Admittedly Clark had a tough challenge, facing a caucus where only one obscure MLA -- Harry Bloy -- supported her leadership bid.
But as van Dongen put it in February: "There's a reason, and a legitimate reason, why virtually all of the caucus worked for [other candidates]."
And that reason is becoming clearer to increasingly nervous BC Liberal MLAs.
But there's another reason for caucus members like Van Dongen to be rebellious -- because they are being challenged for their party nominations.
Abbotsford city councilor Moe Gill has announced his intention to take the Abbotsford South nomination away from Van Dongen. And with support from Health Minister Mike de Jong and his recent leadership campaign member signups in the Fraser Valley he could succeed.
Gill was ready to go for Van Dongen's political throat until Clark bowed to caucus and polling pressure by cancelling plans for a fall election. Now Gill will seek re-election to council but refuses to give up on replacing the former solicitor general.
Sultan’s swat
BC Liberal MLA Ralph Sultan is also a target, and he knows it. In April Sultan sent a letter to West Vancouver-Capilano party member telling them apparently out of the blue that he would be running again.
But 10-year veteran Sultan had already heard the rumours that either Pamela Martin, the former BC CTV anchor and current Clark staffer, or outgoing West Vancouver Mayor Pamela Goldsmith-Jones would be vying for the nomination.
So Sultan's surprising letter said he was "pledged" to help Clark succeed but then he slipped a stiletto into her side.
"You, as one of the 1,900 members of the BC Liberal Party in West Vancouver-Capilano, were more inclined to favour Kevin Falcon and George Abbott but now is time to rally around our new leader and our new premier," Sultan wrote. Nice of him to remind members just how unpopular Clark was in the riding.
West Vancouver-Sea to Sky MLA Joan McIntyre is also rumoured to be feeling unloved by the Clark loyalists, with North Shore News columnist Trevor Lautens predicting last month that Goldsmith-Jones didn't seek re-election as mayor because she hopes to replace McIntyre.
Cummins on strong
Other BC Liberal MLAs are less worried about losing their nominations to internal competition so much as they fear the surging strength of BC Conservative leader John Cummins in traditionally safe seats, including in the Interior, Okanagan and North.
Cummins is now at 12 per cent, up two points since May and 10 points since the 2009 election when they ran less than two dozen candidates. Cummins is also creating a viable network of constituency associations and attracting former Reform Party Members of Parliament to his cause, with Jim Hart and Paul Forseth seeking nominations while Randy White chairs a key election committee.
Cummins also has a formidable campaign manager in Hamish Marshall, a federal Conservative who did polling for the business group that backed B.C. Finance Minister Kevin Falcon's BC Liberal leadership campaign. Marshall has deep roots with the federal Tories and honed his public opinion skills working with Angus Reid Public Opinion.
And scared BC Liberal MLAs can't be happy Clark approved amazingly inept party radio ads and a website called "Can't Trust Cummins" that ostensibly attacked Cummins but actually gave him both credibility and name recognition.
Deficit thinking
Surprisingly, it took until Sunday for the BC Liberal Party to launch an attack on Clark's principal opponent, Dix and the NDP. A sensationalistic website titled "Can't Afford Dix" talks about "Dix's Deficit" at a time when the current Clark government is -- wait for it -- running a big deficit.
Another section talks about Dix "Doubling Political Staffers" under the 1996 government of NDP Premier Glen Clark -- but Clark herself has gotten in trouble with boosting the size of the premier's office, including hiring Pamela Martin as an "outreach coordinator" for $130,000 a year with a very vague job description.
Clark wisely delayed an election call that would likely have led to a stunning defeat. But so far she has not used that borrowed time to solidify her leadership or satisfy her caucus critics. Just the opposite, as Hawes and van Dongen proved last week.
With Cummins' increasing popularity and with some BC Liberal MLAs staring at the possible loss of their nominations, it's not hard to see unhappy veterans like Van Dongen considering a jump to the BC Conservatives.
Those MLAs who have always aligned themselves with the federal Conservative Party were troubled by Clark's sterling federal Liberal Party background, making that leap a shorter one.
Political implosions are incredibly destructive -- and they always start from within. ![]()




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Tangler
17 weeks ago
I'm Not Stupid - Really
If only I could believe that a politician - particularly a former cabinet minister - would speak the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
The sad reality is that Van Dongen and Hawes are, most likely, taking advantage of a purely political opportunity. I doubt that it's rebellion - more likely opportunism.
Are the NDP any different? Nope. And that's why people are getting fed up with the status quo. Politicians lie, we all know they lie, and political parties wield their power to ensure that politicians continue telling the same lies.
And that's my reason to support OWS. I'm tired of the blatant lying ... including the "lies" told by apologists like Tieleman.
Just stop it. We are not stupid. Tell the truth or go away ... or "we" will sweep you away.
Skywalker
17 weeks ago
Is that a defense of the liberals?
I'm always suspicious of somebody's argument that claims they are all the same except the folks I support. To me that sounds like another "lie". I'm not stupid either Tangler. Claiming that everyone lies, except me....Doesn't really work here.
If it is opportunism, how does that prevent the inevitable implosion? How does that not support Tieleman's conclusion that it is destructive and starts from within?
Maybe you could prove your contention rather than just claim Tieleman is lying.
morechatter
17 weeks ago
sweep it under the rug
Tieleman isn't going anywhere as his opinions are respected by many and it is ultimately the lofty reader who often distorts the facts. And with all that sweeping what are you dressing up to spook journalists, a broom?
Frank Lee
17 weeks ago
Can Liberals Get it Together?
When Liberal caucus members prevailed upon Gordon Campbell in 2004-2005 to raise the threshold for electoral reform to 60%, most of them probably knew that they were increasing the likelihood of a majority NDP government eventually. But by then, they probably reasoned, they would have had their fill of electoral politics and their pensions would have vested, etc. Like all politicians, they heavily discounted the future beyond the next election.
A similar logic currently pervades the caucus today. They probably know that by merging their party with the Conservatives, perhaps with a new name like the Saskatchewan Party did, they could refresh and renew their hold on power.
But wait a minute. Wouldn't that mean that every safe Liberal job--including the premier's--would be up for grabs? Would a Linda Reid sleep easily knowing that some COnservative candidate for the Richmond East riding was signing up busloads of new members for the new party? What about the even more conservative ridings in the Fraser Valley and the Interior? Which incumbent Liberal MLAs would be safe?
Perhaps the Conservatives can be bought off by dropping the carbon tax and offering a few cabinet seats to Cummins and others. But I doubt it; the only certain result is that the traditional NDP coaltion would become more united.
In other words, it will be very difficult for the Liberals to get it together.
Tangler
17 weeks ago
No Wonder People Are Fed Up
Skywalker wrote: "I'm not stupid either Tangler. Claiming that everyone lies, except me....Doesn't really work here." -- I didn't say that everyone lies. I said that all politicians (and their media supporters) lie.
"If it is opportunism, how does that prevent the inevitable implosion? How does that not support Tieleman's conclusion that it is destructive and starts from within?" -- A mock rebellion based on cynical political opportunism may well be destructive. But it is dishonest (or uninformed) for Tieleman to imply that the rebellion has any moral or ethical basis. The outcome (implosion or explosion) is irrelevant because the outcome for the public will be precisely the same. Same lies, different day (or party).
"Maybe you could prove your contention rather than just claim Tieleman is lying." -- If we were debating facts, that would make sense. But we're debating the validity of opinions. It's impossible to "prove" that one opinion is correct. Correct? Good.
If you're happy to swallow this particular flavour of Kool-Aid, good for you. But like many (most?) people these days, I've had more than my fill of partisan nonsense, regardless of political persuasion. Tieleman peddles his brand of nonsense, Sun Media has its version, and I'm tired of all of them. It's all bull, and pretending otherwise is either blind or dishonest.
firefox007
17 weeks ago
Can't Understand this Article...?
Consider these strange sentences, with a utter lack of logic;
"... that reason is becoming clearer to increasingly nervous BC Liberal MLAs."
OK, let's hear that reason?
"But there's another reason for caucus members like Van Dongen to be rebellious -- because they are being challenged for their party nominations."
Huh...? Where did the first "...that reason" disappear to in this article? I can't find it, and the wording makes no sense. The author just moves blindly on to the words, "another reason"...
And to say the whole Liberal Party is *imploding* because there are nomination fights, is a very weird leap of logic; don't all Parties have nomination battles? Who cares about that...? We need to know about the substance of what the Government is saying about the Premier, behind closed doors, and we still know nothing about the state of that Party from this article. The only solid evidence of any problems is over the CLBC thing, and we all saw that on TV anyway, right?
The Tyee has a problem with a huge degree of wishful thinking in its articles, and a lack of facts to back up the obvious prejudices of the reporters.
I'd like to ask the reporter what his first "reason" is, as he just apparently left it out of this article.
Skywalker
17 weeks ago
Tangler if you wrote your own piece...
...folks would say exactly the same about you. It is a cop-out to suggest it is all bull and it is more than likely just and excuse a lot of folks use to avoid doing a bit of thinking themselves. Yes everyone has a bias but if you take facts presented by all sources - that is facts, not interpretations - you can get something from them. I rather like Bill Tieleman's commentary because it relies on the details that are all there for the rest of us. Maybe our interpretations are different than let's hear yours but you essentially said that it was opportunism withing the BC Liberal caucus. I don't see that he implied anything like "the dissent had an ethical basis". The comment that they are doing it because of their "own fears of impending doom" says it all.
Van Isle
17 weeks ago
The situation that the
The situation that the Liberals are in now is not too different than the NDP were in in the late 90's. Glen Clark had his rug pulled out by opportunists in his own party; wonder if the same is going to happen to 'lil Miss Christy'?
Skywalker
17 weeks ago
Van isle
Good observation. I think you are right. There are similarities. The only difference now is you don't have the media commenting every day on the $1500 deck. I am surprised Bill didn't weave that into his analysis.
Frank
17 weeks ago
Looks good
A lot can happen before the next election, and probably will, but at the moment things are looking pretty darn good.
As in other provinces the NDP will be needed to fix the provincial finances before the public can afford to vote Lib or Con again.
Frank Lee
17 weeks ago
Frank Lee, van Isle, Skywalker, Frank
The point is that the Liberals can win by re-uniting the right and quelling the discontents, but it is doubtful that this premier has the wherewithal to do that, particularly a this stage in the government's life.
There is a cycle that has characterized BC politics during the past twenty years, described well by Brownsey and Howlett in their textbook. The party of the left eventually alienates part of its base by not being able to spend enough to keep them all happy.("Fixing provincial finances" in Frank's terms) The party of the right can do clever things like Carbon tax, HST and embracing First nations treaties, but eventually the need to tax and co-opt centrist voters will boomerang in the form of an alienated right-wing base. Hence the rise of Cummins and the Conservative Party.
Even if Christy could win those Conservatives back--a very difficult task--she could only do so at the cost of driving those co-opted groups back into the NDP's coalition. Unless she is wildly successful at winning those supporters back, she risks losing more than she gains.
That's what happens when you're in government too long: You can no longer get away with having it both ways.
pwlg
17 weeks ago
Cartoon for this article
I liked what the headlines said in the cartoons associated with this article especially the $550K the province is spending for a Grey Cup party.
If there's one thing this government is good at its throwing itself a party where government officials, politicians and their financial contributors get front row seats to these functions. Like the Olympics, another way to use public money for the pleasure of those already well taken care of in this era of inequality.
What wasn't shown as a headline in the cartoon was the fact that the BC Liberal Government paid $1.8 million for the right to host the 2011 Grey Cup Game to "showcase" the new stadium roof and expensive refurbishments.
And Christy won her leadership battle by focusing on ridings with small numbers of BC Liberal members and ridings that are traditionally pro-NDP since the BC Liberal leadership contest gave each riding equal votes without considering the number of members of their party in each riding.
She has no mandate from those NDP voters nor the majority of BC Liberal voters hence her slide in the polls.
Frank
17 weeks ago
Frank Lee
".("Fixing provincial finances" in Frank's terms"
Actually, what I was referring to was the study that shows that NDP provincial governments across Canada have a better record balancing the budget than the Conservatives and especially the Liberals.
The hoi poloi do indeed say the NDP is a "tax and spend" party and gives money to friends and so on but the historical record says otherwise. More than any other party the NDP prefers not to borrow money.
North of Hope
17 weeks ago
Why the implosion?
It is because Christy Clark is incompetent and the BC Liberals who voted her in are incompetent as well. Those that support her are incompetent as well. That means that the BC Liberals are incompetent and cannot govern this province. Recall them!!
crankypants
17 weeks ago
Question
If CLBC continues to be a gong show a couple of months from now, will Hawes and Van Dongen do the honourable thing and cross the floor and sit as independents? I don't mean like Leckstrom who only pretended to cross simply because he refused to quit the Liberal Party.
It's time that we start judging our elected officials by what they do rather than what they say. As the saying goes "actions speak louder than words".
Steelhead
16 weeks ago
Railroaded
LIke me, much of the BC electorate remains unconvinced that Christy Clarke had no connexion to the BC Rail scandal. Until she orders a comprehensive independent inquiry into that sordid affair, and that process finds that she isn't a crook, she will never muster the votes needed to keep her and her party in power.
pwlg
16 weeks ago
stanley cup riots
With all of the millions of dollars going into investigating and charging those who took part in illegal activities during the final game of the Stanley Cup in Vancouver both from the City of Vancouver and the Province of BC why isn't Ms. Clark eager to fund an equally vigorous investigation into the illegal activities of the "leasing" of BC Rail to CN?
Cool Hand
16 weeks ago
Frank
Well, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story... errr... the BC NDP.
Every fiscal year during the 1990's BC NDP gov't, between 1992 and 2000, the BC NDP guvmint ran an annual deficit. (Aside from 2001, when a spike in oil and gas revenues as well as BC Hydro's ~$4 billion take from the Enron fiasco selling power to California.)
In fact, the BC NDP doubled BC's debt. during the 1990's. Some people do say that money grows on trees.
And finally, BC was one of the highest taxed regimes in North America (aside from Quebec) during the 1990's.
These facts can't be squared by your circle.
Frank
16 weeks ago
Luke
Yes the NDP ran up deficits but they were small potatoes compared to what the Libs have done.
As you've said before, the NDP doubled the debt, increasing it by roughly 17 billion. The Libs have added another 20-25 billion in direct debt and another 50 billion or so in contractural obligations.
So my point stands, the people of BC will need the NDP to come in and balance the books.
"And finally, BC was one of the highest taxed regimes in North America (aside from Quebec) during the 1990's."
I hate to tell you this but when you run up debt you're just deferring taxation. The Liberals have also increased taxes but they made the bottom 70% or so shoulder that burden while the top 10% saw their taxes reduced.
Think about that, the Liberals have uincreased the debt by something like four times what the NDP increased it by and yet they choose to reduce taxes on the rich. That's a recipe for bankruptcy or increased taxation down the road or massive spending cuts to core services.
Everything has a price Luke, but your Liberals don't want to pay it. And that's a circle that you Liberals have never been able to square.
These facts can't be squared by your circle.
zalm
16 weeks ago
BC Hydro
And now, of course, John Doyle, the AG, has just spanked the government roundly for requiring "creative accounting" of BC Hydro in order to enforce the looting of Hydro's treasury for $450 million last year in unfunded earnings.
That's a future debt of more than $2 billion to be paid by our kids for our own profligacy.
Exactly what you're defending is beyond me, Fluke. This Fiberal crowd is so financially befuddled they couldn't run a popsicle stand without losing their shirts to the first customer who came along waving a pair of Olympic mittens....
Tieleman
16 weeks ago
Bill Tieleman on "the reason"
Thanks for the comments - and defence - from posters.
Firefox007 asked what "the legitimate reason" was behind John van Dongen saying caucus members didn't support Christy Clark.
I didn't leave it out - van Dongen never said - perhaps he should be asked. But it was still a very telling comment.
As to the "lies" in this article - consider it this way: van Dongen being challenged for nomination by Moe Gill - Fact. Sultan sending letter in April to constituents saying he's running again - Fact. Goldsmith-Jones not seeking re-election as mayor - Fact. BC NDP ahead of BC Liberals with BC Conservatives at 12% - Fact.
Yes, it's my opinion there's going to be a showdown at the CC Corral - but that's what columns are for - opinion and analysis, hopefully based on lots of facts.