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Rick Salutin's Last Words

Why did The Globe fire its popular columnist? Do his last pieces offer clues?

By David Beers, 30 Sep 2010, TheTyee.ca

Globe columnist Rick Salutin

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Whenever a columnist is suddenly fired from a well-established gig, and explanations why aren't particularly forthcoming or convincing from the people in charge, the curious mind naturally turns to what the columnist has recently written, and whether it might have set in motion the axe.

There's rarely any way to prove cause and effect, of course. In the case of the canning of Rick Salutin, long-time, left-leaning, award-winning columnist for The Globe and Mail, we're told officially that he didn't fit in with the paper's redesign plans.

The firing has sparked an organized protest led in part by regular Tyee columnist Murray Dobbin. And it leaves confused not only Salutin's loyal readers but anyone in journalism who has been encouraged to believe that attracting readers is a good thing.

Salutin's Sept. 17 column drew 587 comments. By comparison, stalwart Jeffrey Simpson's latest effort pulled in 143. No word yet that Simpson has been redesigned out of Canada's paper of record.

And yet, according to what Dobbin says Salutin told him, The Globe gave its popular columnist no reason for his dismissal.

Strauss, Harper, and Salutin

Back to Salutin's column that stirred 587 comments from readers. In the piece, he muses aloud about why Stephen Harper had made so many clumsy political moves of late, causing the prime minister of Canada to appear so "buttheaded."

Salutin's conclusion -- about the "firing [of] decent people, lashing out, raising the partisan rhetoric, proroguing Parliament haughtily, binging on military toys, mauling the census" -- was that Harper appeared simply to be carrying through on his philosophical convictions, that he might well be "the last Straussian."

"Leo Strauss," Salutin summarized, "was a German-Jewish thinker who escaped Hitler for the U.S. but despaired over the depravity that liberalism might lead to there as it had in Germany, after the liberal 1920s. He felt almost any means were valid to save Western civilization but, due to liberalism's strength, the strategy had to be cautious, secretive, even duplicitous, with the truth confined to an elite. This rarefied vision became highly influential when it was spread by his students (and theirs) in government, think tanks and media during the Reagan and Bush years. It's a prominent force at Mr. Harper's intellectual home, the University of Calgary. What does it illuminate in his behaviour?"

He then went on to catalogue some Straussian principles informing Harper's playbook for attracting, and dividing, voters. As Strauss would advise, Harper places a high value on secretiveness and plays at populist democracy as far as it keeps his opponents off-balance, but actually holds the democratic political process in contempt when it isn't serving his will to power.

"Leo Strauss (like his man, Plato) never liked democracy much, but his disciples are ready to use it against the real villain, liberalism. To this end, they appeal to the 'anti-liberal' impulses of ordinary folk against the 'liberal elites,' via 'wedge issues' like gun control, abortion or attacks on high art. (That one was especially self-destructive in Quebec.)"

'The kind of question that matters'

That was Salutin's second to last column, running in The Globe 12 days ago. In what turned out to be his final piece, Salutin portrayed Toronto mayoral candidate Rob Ford as a classic example of a politician running on fear instead of hope, drawing connections to the political storm that threatens to swamp Obama's boat to our south.

"What matters isn't what one thinks of [Ford]; it's understanding why he has bloomed so sturdily at this point. That's the kind of question that matters, because it bears on more than this political moment, and because it's more fun, in the end, to ponder."

Why did The Globe and Mail fire Rick Salutin? Without a better answer from the newspaper's brass, we're left to read Salutin's last two columns and ponder how power behaves when the politics of fear, and those who wield them deftly, are ascendant.  [Tyee]

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  • G West

    2 years ago

    Nope! Not those columns.

    It wasn't the last columns that did it, in my view. In fact, it was far more likely to have been his July 9 piece if it was anything specific.

    But, Rick has been out of synch with the ethos at the Globe for ages.

    Newspapers are thrashing about for a 'new' way to appeal to a broader audience and the Globe has decided it needs more Leah McLaren-type columnists and fewer ones that make people think. More effete travel writing and wine columnists and less critical thinking.

    Kind of like the way the CBC has bought 'Jeopardy', not to mention 'Wheel of Fortune' and why it produces the utterly execrable "Dragon's Den': We all know what the old girl's become - we just can't figure out why.

  • derekhill

    2 years ago

    Rick Salutin : a Great Warning

    Rick has most Aof the story. But I am not sure he ever read any of the books by the great economist,Antony Sutton as I suggested. If he had, he would not be surprised at all. Rick lost his job because he is an independent thinker. The overwhelming dialectic"divide and control" propaganda never took hold with him...but make no mistake; there really are some powerful people in the world who look upon the masses like W. looks upon his cattle. Salutin's bosses are just more lackeys doing their lackey thing without even knowing it. The other aspect is that its only because the masses behave like sheep that we cn be so easily treeted as such: "Take off your belt and shoes and put them in the basket along with your cellphone and laptop....oh, and just ignore those 2 million people sneaking across the border between Arizona and Mexico; they are all just harmless fruit pickers." and be compliant; VERY compliant; think Helena Guergis and look what happened to her. So, you think this is a tangent? I wonder if Rick will, if he reads this. I hope he starts a blog; he could do some real damage with one.

  • peasant43

    2 years ago

    it's easy

    It's like the movie where the guy tries to live on fast food for a year. A healthy human being with a good diet was vomiting up his "food" by the end of the first day . His body knew it was being poisoned.

    Try going 6 months to a year without corporate media, the longer the better. After that time try to "read" a newspaper. You'll understand instinctively why he was fired.

  • packrat2

    2 years ago

    why?

    it IS a security thing that killed him
    the old age boom
    the economy
    the ecology
    terrorists
    all hammering at your inner monkey.
    NOW with blood in the water, by the way.

    packrat

  • robertjb2

    2 years ago

    Salutin's firing

    Salutin made a mistake... he told the truth and major dailies will not tolerate such outrageous candor.

    As Orwell stated" In times of tyranny it is treason to tell the truth.

    Obviously, the Globe and Mail is vying for the position of Fox News North and has greatly diminished its claim to be our national newspaper. Maybe it should start sending its lead reporters to school board meetings if it wants politically safe issues.

  • Crawford

    2 years ago

    Salutin's not the only casualty...

    Apparently Tabatha Southey is also gone, according to a tweet from Paul Wells. Another shame--she's a witty and lively writer.

  • Grumpy

    2 years ago

    Globe and mail......Never read it

    I read over 10 newspapers daily on line, from our local fish-wrap & Tyee, to American & and UK papers. On top of this I also read several blogs to gather my daily intake of news.

    In my view the print media has become nothing more than propaganda rags for the elites in power and what news is printed is so slanted that it has become un-news, in the best Orwellian manor

    The populace are being molded into government thinking zombies, believing what tripe the local fish-wrap feel fit to print.

    The electronic media practice the "Goebbels Gambit" by repeating lies so often that they become truth.

    Canada is on the verge of plunging into the dank world of Fascist corruption, where the media assassinates one character on the orders of its political masters (just ask Van der Zalm), while at the same time, covers up real government scandal and corruption like the BC Railgate scandal.

    We have sold our sole to a corporatist government, there is no hope of escape, except for a massive revolution. I do not think our youth, seduced by the X-box and alike and brains numbed by drugs, have the will to fight for their future.

  • Greg in Calgary

    2 years ago

    So, hire Rick Salutin...

    ...and we'll all buy a subscription.

  • Jeffrey J.

    2 years ago

    Hail to Rick Salutin (and the Tyee and Rabble.ca)

    I've been reading Rick Salutin's fabulous prose for years. Thankfully, he is a regular at the Tyee and also at Rabble.ca, a topnotch independent media similar to the Tyee.

    The G&M knows it has dealt a blow to Rick's courageous voice by cutting off his income. This is classic bullyism and occurs throughout Canada and the US. Controlling most of the money in society gives the oligarchs vast powers to punish and persuade. This is used particularly against public intellectuals. Toe the party line and you can stay and enjoy the goodies of capitalism. Disobey orders and you're fired.

    Indeed, the entire genesis of the Tyee and Rabble.ca and others arose from Canada's other media bullies doing precisely the same thing. Firings, dismissals, black lists when you're bad. Raises, cocktail parties and bonuses when you're good.

    Freedom of the press indeed!

    This of course is how media and power are used around the world, where in most non-democratic countries the citizens know the facts and understand how crooked the system is. In the West, we are told we live in a democracy, so we have to pretend those in control were chosen by the majority, which of course is ludicrous. Soon, I expect the elites will decide to dispense with our pretend democracy all together as they are tiring of all the fuss coming from the masses.

    But until then, let the Tyee and Rabble.ca and Public Eye and Gush Shalom and Al Jazeera continue to speak freely! Great coverage as always Tyee!

    [EDITOR"S NOTE -- Actually The Tyee hasn't been publishing Salutin, but Rabble.ca has.]

  • bruther

    2 years ago

    I'm surprised

    that he lasted as long as he did. His pieces were so out of character with mainsteam media op/ed. Hopefully he'll keep writing and his columns will show up in independent (are there any left?) newspapers and websites like rabble.ca

  • zaphod

    2 years ago

    Self-incriminating Defense

    This attempt at defending Saultin (who has good days) is worthless. What are the "arguments"? Saultin shouldn't have been fired because he gets more comments than Simpson? Well, good column writing isn't a popularity contest, particularly not popularity as measured by online comments, which gravitate towards the sensational and simple-minded. Mark Steyn regularly gets the most comments at Macleans.ca, but that hardly means that he writes the best columns. Fox News ratings trump PBS Newshour many times over, but that doesn't make it better news. As for the column which the defense focuses on: what's even important here? A rehashed conspiracy theory (popular circa 2004-05), comprised of no new information and a bunch of disinformation (no understanding of Strauss on Plato, false claim re: Straussians supposedly being at Calgary, etc.). This is followed by a quotation about Saultin on Rob Ford, which is totally banal and no different from anything many other Globe columnists have written - and much inferior to the actual factual takedown of Ford published in The Globe previously by Marcus Gee, for example. So this defense of Salutin utterly fails to show that he ever wrote anything worth publishing in the first place. But hey, it got a lot of internet comments, and that's all that matters, right?

  • Robyn Smith

    2 years ago

    And Tabatha Southey, too.

    I used to have fantasies of lunch with the 'Globe Girls' -- Christie, Jane, Margaret, Tabatha and I. It was mostly fun, though Tabatha and I occasionally shared an eyeroll because we totally get each other. Now they've axed her, the wittiest female at the Globe and Mail lunch table. While Salutin will be missed, Southey defended awkward teens before Dan Savage made it cool, and was the first to question the psychic powers of the federal Conservatives. F2 and F3 will never be the same.

  • dr evil

    2 years ago

    I wonder if Mr. Salutin

    isn`t relieved.

    Urban Intellectual Fodder.

    Neither original nor path-breaking, this art is derivative
    hommage; postmodern commentary around the edges of art.

    It is art born of attitude, not passion. It is art that postures
    but doesn't grip. It is art created by those who are more
    passionate about a career in art than about art itself.

    http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/09/are-our-writers-as-lousy-as-our-bankers.html

  • morechatter

    2 years ago

    I'll do the thinking around here!

    Global is a performer and there is no looking at things the way they are as Campbell can't have the people figuring it out for themselves as it would get in the way. How does global do it as the media giant is into fiction and anyone who dares to tell it differently will end up on the short end of the pencil. May i suggest the pink slip for the paper who is busy trying to bring down the people's petition as Global resorts to its usual dirty tricks as Campbell's goonies are buys trying to bring down the Zalm because he is getting in the way. What is the media's message we can do what we want because we have the power to rewrite a wrong any way media seems fit as Zalm's trail of deceit is in the morning paper while Campbell is the raining king of deception but Global will have none of that but it will take the millions of taxpayers dollars it is rewarded with for doing it this way.

  • offended

    2 years ago

    Gary Mason

    has been more and more BC Liberal friendly lately. I think I know why now.

    Unfortunate about Salutin and Southey; both decent writers, both with a viewpoint a lot of us could relate to.

    Apparently that's a problem to the corporate dogs.

  • morechatter

    2 years ago

    Give Global the Pink Slip

    What is important about a boycott is that you keep people reminded about why they are doing something wonderfully good as the petition was about democracy and so is boycotting a media giant that has used its programming for there own means while tuning everybody else out. Beware of the media giant and don't dare come forth as global will destroy you for giants own good. The reason for the boycott is it is clear Campbell never intended to have a referandum or we would be having it this fall but has decided to go at the good folks involved in the people's petition as Global and Campbell stay on track and continue on with media's deceit.

  • wanderingraven

    2 years ago

    We can get opinions anywhere

    We can get opinions anywhere online and we will read Rick Salultin elsewhere, though he will no doubt miss the income, and he will be harder to find.

    What we are need desperately is decent reporting of world and national news. That will be the true measure of whether the Globe and Mail provides a useful service or should fade into oblivion, like most of the rest of the old media.

  • bohemiangrooves

    2 years ago

  • morechatter

    2 years ago

    Media Monopoly dishes out canned news

    Rick is a journalist who was telling it like it is when he lost his position as a writer held for many years. He has been working for a media mogul who has a monopoly on the news. Not so easy to pick up and find another job when the media giant is everywhere you tune in. It is why the story got picked up as if you have a media monopoly it is canned news as democracy goes down the tubes.

  • janetvickers

    2 years ago

    Salutin, Southey and the future

    Now we need a vision of how the thinking class will wake up Canadians and save Canada from ravages of centralized power that only seeks more power.

    Clearly we are headed to a place where knowledge is outlawed and propaganda is the only narrative, and we will not see how the hospitals and schools and work places will become redundant. Unless of course, the people wake up and do something.

    This is a trajectory that began centuries ago, as power has shifted life to a mere resource.

  • Van Isle

    2 years ago

    I knew a person who use to

    I knew a person who use to 2work for the Province Newspaper. About 10 years ago they started to tell her what she couldn't write about; she told them to "git stuffed" and walked.

  • Dennis_F

    2 years ago

    Dragon's Den

    To G West: Just out of curiosity, can you tell me why you hate the show Dragon's Den so much?

  • anarcho

    2 years ago

    One more example of the

    One more example of the increasingly totalitarian tendency of the corporate state.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    First it was giving a job to Gary Mason...

    Now there's one less reason to read the Globe.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    @Dennis_F

    Why do I dislike 'Dragon's Den'?

    First of all it is a lame 'franchise' operation which, like most reality shows, is borrowed from an originator - in this case it owes its genesis to the Japanese version which started the whole thing - however, like many things in this country which come from away, we got our inspiration from the BBC version.

    But there's plenty to dislike in the latest Canadian iteration of Chuck Barris’s ‘The Gong Show'....not least the rude and arrogant idiots who, like mini-Neros in the coliseum, sit in judgment on the largely pathetic contestants they've scripted to embarrass each week.

    One of these thugs has actually managed to advance his own 'personal' brand into a so-called 'news' program know as the Lang O'Leary Report.

    These are scripted shows like all ‘reality’ programs – designed to make fun of most ‘contestants’ while they give the viewer the idea that starting your own business and becoming an entrepreneur is something basically ‘anyone’ can do. A notion which is, frankly, utter bullshit.

    It’s a dream and it promotes business men and women (who have no qualifications other than their bank accounts and no manners but do possess a fair amount of cash) as they sit in judgment, usually scripted and always edited, upon people who are, for the most part, simply there to let the audience feel ‘good’ about themselves.

    Like all reality TV, the Dragon’s Den and the self serving business types join a group of self-aware CBC ‘personalities’ in putting contestants (usually desperate people) into humiliating, painful, and embarrassing situations for the marketing and self-promotion of the slugs they call the dragons, the CBC (which ought to know better) and for the rest of us to watch - and, presumably, laugh at and be entertained by.

    I watched the show a couple of times and was almost as sickened by it as when I watched an early episode of ‘Survivor’.

  • Jeffrey J.

    2 years ago

    We Love You Rick

    Rick Salutin, please know that thousands and thousands (millions?) of readers and thinkers and citizens LOVE YOU. And your courage. And prose. Many of us are in our own way standing up to the tiny number of people who think they can tell us what to do, and think, and not to think (the elite). The majority is always more powerful then the minority.

    Which also explains whey the minority elite are, in fact, cowards. Always have been. Always will be. While the honours you receive from us, the majority, will not replace the income the G&M has taken away from you, I do hope you measure it as something equally valuable.

    Great coverage!!

  • hollinm

    2 years ago

    Rick Salutin

    Anybody who caught Salutin's interview on the O'Reilly Factor a month or so ago would have been embarassed. He was there rpresenting the Globe and I suspect they were embarassed as well. He sounded like a left wing nut.not a balanced and unbiased journalist. He came across very poorly.
    I also suspect there is a change happening in the media in Canada. The advent of Sun TV has scared the bejeeses out of the media in Canada. They can see their readership and hence advertising revenue dropping like a stone.

  • lynn

    2 years ago

    Well done.

    Quote: "Why did The Globe and Mail fire Rick Salutin? Without a better answer from the newspaper's brass, we're left to read Salutin's last two columns and ponder how power behaves when the politics of fear, and those who wield them deftly, are ascendant."

    There is so much silence these days, it is refreshing to see it broken by some very good questions.

    That final piece by Rick Salutin is highly worth the read, especially in regard to Straussian politics....where an elitist cold-blooded strategy "to fool and control" unapologetically trumps everything.

    Add to that the dispassionate, insular nature of Harper and I won't write what I am thinking - only that the kettle whistling across this country has a decidedly high-pitch.

    Harper is restlessly pacing,

    Impatient and late for a very important date.

    Where is our own counter-strategy?

  • Dwayne

    2 years ago

    Echo chamber of horrors

    I read with horror the "progressive" whine here and all I can think is that you are a bunch of deluded granola munching Marxists.

    The Globe and Mail (grope and flail, mop and pail, etc) is almost as ludicrously left as The Tyee, and here some of you are whining about how it fired one of you best and brightest because he was too far left and criticized the PM? It is to laugh.

    If Canada is luck the CPC will win a majority next election and all of your collective heads will explode! All I have to do is look at Obama down in the good ole US of A to see what and NDP government would do to a country. His time is nearly up, BTW, I hope you enjoyed the show.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    @Dwayne

    CPC = Communist Party of Canada.

    I didn't know you cared!

    By the way, you mighr be surprised to know that NDP governments run the lowest deficits in the country compared with Liberals (who run the biggest) and Conservatives (who are number two)..As for Salutin on the O'Reilly Factor - who watches or cares about what the Fox news echo chamber does.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    GWest

    EDITED FOR PERSONAL INSULTS TOWARD A COMMENTER -- TYEE EDITOR

  • dcohn

    2 years ago

    So Long Rick, Looking Forward to Your New Column Somewhere Else

    Not surprised to see Rick Salutin get the pink slip at the Globe and Mail. The G&M has been casting about for a new mission statement and strategy for over a decade now. As Fox News, the success of other narrowcasting media sites, and the death of countless big city papers in the US have shown: The mushy middle is not a good place to be in the infinite channel universe that cheap broadband access has created.

    In the brave new world of narrowcasting, the job of the resident token columnist, gamely battling the weltanschauung of the rest of the paper from the far corner of the op-ed page is an expensive and un-necessary luxury. It does not matter what you are the token for, leftist, rightists, women, gays or visible minorities, your time is over.

    Those who want a different view don't need the op-ed gadfly anymore. They just click their mouses and get that different view from a vendor that similarly narrowcasts nothing but those different views. By doing this they also are able to offer them with greater credibility and authority.

    The good news is that this world probably will make Rick Salutin a hot property now that he is a free agent. Looking forward to reading his new column on thestar.com, guardian.co.uk, or in some similar venue that caters to progressive and thoughtful journalism.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    It's Business

    Even though a few of his pieces used to venture into decent objective thinking, Salutin repeatedly made it quite clear where his sympathies are, coupled with the anger we see from other lefties that are frustrated because their side lost control of the ball and don't seem to have any hope of getting it back soon.

    The polls tell us that that demographic that votes NDP are around 15% of decided voters. One poll had them at 12% last week. The Globe still has Lorrie (as Mansbridge affectionately calls him) Martin to relentlessly fly the extreme left flag, along with guest pieces by a smattering of other fringe scribes like Jim Stanford. That's enough. The Globe's management knows that for a national newspaper to be viable it should at least try and appeal to the 85% of the population that doesn't and never will vote NDP.

    The occasional contrarian viewpoint is amusing and needs to be known but only appealing to around 15% of the population will only lead to a smaller market share, less sales and job losses.

    CanWest's newspapers were recently up for grabs but we didn't see any left-leaning group interested in picking them up because neither national nor local newspapers are viable with a left wing slant, except perhaps in densely populated Toronto where the Toronto Star have that market wrapped up.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    r'man

    Salutin didn't discuss BC politics. So if you're talking federal politics by all means tell me when it was the Left "had the ball"?

    The polls tell us that Conservative support in this country is mired down around 30% of decided voters. Yet the number of media outlets catering to this extreme fringe is almost total.

    The media should in general reflect the values of Canadians, it doesn't. Instead it is a passionate defender of a long-discredited ideology.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    Frank

    The Globe wants to appeal to the majority of Canadians and their values and that 85% does not include those that support the NDP.

    The extreme fringe you talk of has the support of more than double the real fringe, that is the 15% that support the NDP. Indeed, the Conservatives have had the support of more than any other party in the country for the past four years. Hardly a fringe.

    Anyway, the Globe leans far more toward the federal Liberals.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    Give 'em Credit

    I should have said five years.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    r'man

    The Globe wants to appeal to the 30% of the voters on the far-right and ignore the other 70%.

    That's bad for business. Its also par for the course which explains why Globe readership is what it is.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    You're getting cranky, Frank

    Rod Mickleburgh. Gary Mason, Frances Bula, Jeffrey Simpson, John Ibbitson, Lawrence Martin, Jeff Rubin, Brian Topp, Jane Taber, Robert Silver, Roy MacGregor, etc,

    Sure Frank, all Globe regulars and all far-right wingers, heh? I guess to you Ibbitson, Topp or Simpson are far-right.

    This explains Globe readership:

    "Over the past year, our weekday print circulation grew 5 per cent last year, and 6 per cent on weekends – when our competitors were all in retreat. Our online traffic is up 20 per cent. Our mobile traffic is up 500 per cent. "

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/community/digital-lab/a-new-globe-in-print-and-online/article1735935/

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    r'man

    Christie Blatchford, Margaret Wente, Derek DeCloet, Brian Milner, Eric Reguly, Rob Carrick, Barrie McKenna, Neil Reynolds, Marcus Gee, Rex Murphy etc etc

    By all means tell me where the Leftees are because from where I'm standing its obvious more than 30% of the columnists are right-wing.

    As for Ibbitson, he is right-wing, I once posed as a very right-wing guy in an email exchange with him. Very enlightening.

    The reason you find the Globe balanced is because it caters to your extreme views of society. You find most of their columnists hold opinions close to yours. Kinda like me and the Tyee.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    The Globe's shiny new persona

    The best thing about the new almost tabloid version is the ads: bright, colourful and eye-catching. And obviously NOT laid out by the Globe gang.

    Sadly they provide only eye candy and the rest of the paper is dismal and kind of cramped looking.

    I understand Stephen Quinn will join his lady wife as a columnist in the BC section tomorrow. Woo hoo!

    Bring back Salutin and Heather Mallick...

    Also, apparently the Globe still manages to turn a small profit which can't be easy, my wife and I cancelled home delivery a week ago and they're still dropping a paper at the door every morning - two additional phone calls don't seem to have made a difference.

    Like the National Post, I bet the Globe's circulation figures are hopelessly fraudulent...because exactly the same thing is going on with at least two other attempted subscription cancellations in my family.

    At least with the Times Colonist, when you call up and tell them why you're quitting and explain the reason is they are a shitty paper, they get the message and stop dumping their crap on the doorstep.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    We need more police!

    "... driven by my Irish cop heritage, I feel some sort of need to step in, and make it all better for the law-abiding citizens like myself. Why should people be allowed to break the rules with impunity – and with arrogant smugness to boot? ..."

    Vancouver's bylaw breakers
    Stephen Quinn

    Globe and Mail.

    Like Stephen Harper, Stephen Quinn is just fed up with criminals getting off with no punishment!

    * * * * *

    "The Globe wants to appeal to the 30% of the voters on the far-right..."

    Frank

    Is this the kind of thing you mean, Frank?

  • Dwayne

    2 years ago

    http://ndpcaucus.mb.ca/newCau

    http://ndpcaucus.mb.ca/newCaucus/index.php?q=newsArticle&articlePageID=502

    NDP Government - Budget 2010 projects a $545-million shortfall

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2010/03/24/sk-main-budget-1003.html

    Not an NDP Government - Although Gantefoer called the budget balanced, with a $20-million surplus, the province had to dip into its Growth and Financial Security Fund, the so-called rainy-day fund, for $194 million. Otherwise, there would be a $174-million deficit. (I find this bit of dishonesty distasteful, but without the dip it would be a lesser deficit than the NDP budget in Manitoba or NS)

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2010/04/06/ns-budget.html

    NDP Government - The NDP expects to end 2009-10 with a deficit of $488 million.

    http://www.thetelegram.com/Politics/2010-03-29/article-1439313/Newfoundlands-Budget-2010-focuses-heavily-on-healthcare-education-and-economic-stimulus/1

    Not an NDP Government - Budget 2010 also projects a revised deficit of $294.9 million for 2009-10 (lower than either Manitoba or NS)

    Sorry, I don't see a trend here of balanced NDP budgets across Canada G West.

    Frank, I don't own a dog. I just stopped by because of a link from another website and I could not believe the whining because some guy lost his job. Maybe, just maybe, he lost his job because he is a hack with no talent. I am sure rabble.ca will keep posting his opinion, it keeps with their motif.

    Rejoice, the "progressives" own the main stream print media, and it still has more influence than the internet. The "progressives" own the CBC, and heavily influence CTV, so there is still hope in your camp that Canada will wake up and throw off the oppressive yoke that PM Harper has placed over your heads.

    The conservatives in Canada are outnumbered and we know it. If 40% vote for the CPC then 60% do not. It is only the split between the Liberal (kind of Left), the NDP (really Left) and the Green Party (Loonie Left) that allows either the Conservative Party of Canada or the Liberal Party of Canada to form government. Think of the power you could wield if you could only unit your "progressive" side under a single banner. Never going to happen, but oh the dream, it would be like Obama!

    Heh, enjoy.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    I've nothing against either Stephen Quinn,

    Or his lady wife Marsha Lederman - the suggestion that he's anything like as valuable as Rick Salutin for a so-called 'national' newspaper is absurd...

    I'm actually fed up with right wing criminals like Campbell getting off with no punishment - a lot more concerned than I am about a few bylaw breakers.

    And I'm even more fed up with people who constantly make excuses for them...like the usual gang of suspects Neal Hall, Gary Mason and Justine Hunter.

    Still, Quinn is one of the few moderately bright lights still ‘burning’ at CBC AM 690. Compared with the Puffmaster Flash on the morning show he's a veritable 'treasure'....

    That said, for those who think Quinn has some value as a writer/journalist don't restrict yourself to his scribbling at the Globe. Oh my no, have a look at this:

    http://twitter.com/cbcstephenquinn

    How does anyone live stuff like that down?

  • G West

    2 years ago

    @Dwayne

    EDITED FOR TAUNTING A COMMENTER -- TYEE EDITOR

    It's an historical fact: Since the 1980s among provincial governments, NDP governments have run fewer and smaller deficits than either Liberal or Conservative provincial governments.

    And that doesn't even include the early years of Tommy Douglas’s CCF governments in Saskatchewan.

    But don't take my word for it - the information is available from the Federal Department of Finance.

    Take a look.

  • Dwayne

    2 years ago

    G West, you are EDITED FOR PERSONAL INSULTS -- TYEE MODERATOR

    If you can show me a link or some numbers that support your claim I will believe you. I am not doing your leg work to check your claim either, you can do it, otherwise your proclamation is a hollow claim.

    I have given you links that support my claim today. These are solid fact backed up by citations in the press.

    If I took the time to check each budget from Ontario or Manitoba, or Saskatchewan I have a feeling that I would be more correct, but since you are the one making the claim I'll have to defer to your research as you back up your assertion with facts.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    Dwayne

    I guess you also noticed how the NDP leader, good old Jack Layton, wanted to really get into some serious deficit spending, just a couple of years ago when he scribbled that deal with his old Montréal buddies, Gilles and Stephie.

    "The Liberal leader said the parties reached the accord after watching the "sad spectacle" of other countries' governments acting to counter the "unprecedented" global economic crisis while Harper's Conservatives "sat and did nothing."

    "Given the critical situation facing our fellow citizens and the refusal and inability of the Harper government to deal with this critical situation, the opposition parties have decided that it was now time to take action," he said.

    "I am honoured to do that," Dion said.

    Layton said the accord's proposed multibillion-dollar stimulus package for the troubled economy, which includes support for the auto and forestry sectors, is "prompt, prudent, competent and, most important, effective."

    Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/01/coalition-talks.html#ixzz11AkgEsbE

    This was federal money and boy was it going to flow! Our children would have been on the hook big-time. Crown Victorias were going to pumped out for every driveway and our kids were going to finance them. Fortunately, sanity prevailed and the three geezers from Montréal's scheme was squelched.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Dwayne

    I'm not your gopher. And I don't respond well to ad hominem insults.

    I told you where to find the data - why would I waste my time posting information I've made available here at Tyee several times already?

    You haven't provided one single piece of data about the historical record of provincial governments relative to deficit financing...you've provided some evidence about the current budget of two provincial govenments.

    If you like, you could take a moment and look at the accumulated debt of the current provincial government here in BC and compare it with the debt the province had on the books in 2001 before this gang of incompetents came to power.

    Again, information that's freely available right here in the archives at Tyee.

    Since your research skills seem a little lacking, I'll even provide a link:
    http://thetyee.ca/Views/2004/08/09/BCDebt/

    Oh, and don't forget that article was written in 2004 - the situation today is infinitely more serious - in fact, if P3 contractual obligations are taken into account, the Bc provincial debt by fiscal 2012/13 will have exceedeed 100 billion dollars

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    This was a biggie.

    ONTARIO BUDGET 1996 Spending Taxpayers' Dollars Wisely: Ontario's Balanced Budget Plan

    In June 1995, the government faced an $11.2 billion deficit.

    Bob Rae, NDP. 21st Premier of Ontario
    In office
    October 1, 1990 – June 26, 1995

    Ouch!

  • chuckles

    2 years ago

    right-wing media

    Chock that up to another publication that has drifted more and more to the 'right' over the years, and has now dropped off my radar. The same thing happened to MacLeans years ago (when it got taken over by Rogers) and then National Post when it got sold to Can West (formerly owned by Conrad Black of course). There are no national 'liberal' mass publications anymore. Luckily there is some relatively objective fare on the internet (like this site), otherwise the right would pretty much have a total strangle hold on mass media. But what they dont realize is they are loosing access to vast swaths of readership and influence; they are alienating themselves out of the picture !

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Ah the good old days!

    The Ontario government is projecting a deficit of $21.3 billion for 2009-10, the largest deficit in the province's history. In fact, Ontario is expecting to add $116.6 billion more to Ontario’s debt through 2016/17.

    Need I remind readers who runs the government of Ontario?

    Oh Yeah, the Liberals.

  • Dwayne

    2 years ago

    @ G West

    Sorry, I know you are not my gopher, But I'm not the one claiming that the NDP are the fiscal geniuses, you are. Prove it. If you can't prove it with a link or two then it is just plain crap.

    Oh yeah, a link to a 2004 story in the Tyee that shores up your postion... lol How does this show that NDP governments are more fiscally prudent than other governments? This does not support your claim old boy.

    Here is what YOU said -
    It's an historical fact: Since the 1980s among provincial governments, NDP governments have run fewer and smaller deficits than either Liberal or Conservative provincial governments.

    So how does your one shaky story about BC even begin to support your sweeping claim of NDP fiscal responsibility?

    You go have a look at Manitoba and Ontario under NDP governments and tell me that they run fewer and smaller deficits. You do the leg work to prove your thesis. I think you're EDITED FOR PERSONAL INSULTS -- MODERATOR, prove me wrong with facts.

    As to your thin skin on my use of the word delusional to describe your believe in the unbelievable I ask you to read the following link.

    http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

    I addressed your argument, countered it with facts from today, and you have provided no facts to back your initial thesis that the NDP are fiscally more responsible than other governments. The insult that you are delusional isn't Ad Hominem because you are delusional based on the facts that I have laid before you. Prove me wrong, show me NDP fiscal prudance from a wide variaty of provincial governments from Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Nova Scotia. Dig into the numbers and prove your point, if you can. I say you can't, and I don't have to prove I am right to prove you are wrong, I'm not the one making the claim.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    As I wrote Dwayne

    I'm not the one calling people names - I've posted that information on this site several times before...it is an historical FACT that provincial governments of the NDP party have, on average, the lowest deficits when compared with Conservative and Liberal provincial governments since 1980. (Which is as far back as the comparisons go - as I noted, if they went further the discrepancy would be even more marked since it would include the Saskatchewan governments of Tommy Douglas).

    Simply check the statistics of the Federal Department of Finance - it's not a thesis it is simply a fact not something that has to be claimed.

    I don't have a particularly thin skin - but I'm not going to respond - nor am I going to waste any more of my time responding to someone who started posting here with this comment:

    Echo chamber of horrors

    Quote:
    I read with horror the "progressive" whine here and all I can think is that you are a bunch of deluded granola munching Marxists.
    The Globe and Mail (grope and flail, mop and pail, etc) is almost as ludicrously left as The Tyee, and here some of you are whining about how it fired one of you best and brightest because he was too far left and criticized the PM? It is to laugh.
    If Canada is luck the CPC will win a majority next election and all of your collective heads will explode! All I have to do is look at Obama down in the good ole US of A to see what and NDP government would do to a country. His time is nearly up, BTW, I hope you enjoyed the show.

    If you don't think that's an ad hominem insult and a pretty clear indication of your 'character' then there's no point in bothering yourself any further.

    I've been called worse things by better people - If you really wanted to 'learn' something, you'd have showed up without a chip on your shoulder.
    And, you should look up the meaning of the term ad hominem.
    Cheers.

    ps. I assume that's a 'Groucho Marxist' you're talking about.

  • David Beers

    2 years ago

    Administrator

    Dwayne, welcome, and please review the Tyee commenting code

    Personal insults of other commenters are not allowed on Tyee commenting threads -- and 'delusional' is considered such an insult. Argue with the substance of what commenters post, but refrain from calling them names or characterizing their mental state, etc.

    Here is the Tyee code of conduct for commenters for your review:

    http://thetyee.ca/Comments/FAQ/#7

  • 99thDimension

    2 years ago

    R.I.P Rick

    The new makeover involves not just the layout of the paper but the installation of telemarketers as writers for the new web based G&M.
    Real journalist are impossible to control telemarketers need to be told what to do to get the job done it's all in the "training".

    But to come to G&M defense I've never been censored on their comment boards unlike the CBC (Capitalism Before Collectivism) this comment wouldn't make it on their comment board.

  • straightshooter

    2 years ago

    Rick Salutin

    While his "on the money" criticism of Harper may be a key factor, I believe that Rick's repeated, entirely justified and well documented criticism of expansionist/occupier/oppressor Israel played a major role in getting him fired.

    For those of you who have not heard the news. His replacement? None other than Irshad Manji, an intellectual lightweight and a loyal toady of the media establishment.

  • gaulois

    2 years ago

    Chapeau monsieur Beers!

    But aren't you worried being so blunt about it?

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