Taylor Hired by Bank After Killing BC's Bank Tax
BC is broke but she could make $145,000 to $350,000 as a TD director.
Former BC Finance Minister Carole Taylor
It was an unexpected surprise. A gift, really.
Eighteen months ago, on February 19, 2008, then-BC Liberal finance minister Carole Taylor tabled the province's 2008-09 budget -- her last before quitting politics -- and said she was wiping out B.C.'s corporation capital tax.
For years the big banks had lobbied to have the hated tax abolished, but to no avail. Indeed, over the past three-and-a-half decades, governments of every political stripe -- NDP, Social Credit and BC Liberal -- have seen the corporation capital tax as a way for British Columbians to share in the enormous profits earned in this province by Canada's largest banks.
"The tax exists," former Social Credit Finance Minister Mel Couvelier explained to the legislature in 1987, "largely because the financial industry has often earned large profits and paid little income tax."
(Canada's 'Big Five' banks are headquartered in Toronto. As a consequence, they're largely exempt from paying provincial income taxes.)
Fast forward to August 27, 2009 -- just two weeks ago -- with a news release from Canada's second-largest financial institution, the Toronto-Dominion (TD) Bank. (In terms of market capitalization, the Royal Bank is the country's biggest, followed by the TD, then the Bank of Nova Scotia, the Bank of Montreal and the CIBC.)
The TD was adding another member to its board of directors. Who might it be?
Why, it's none other than Carole Taylor, B.C.'s former finance minister, who last year killed the province's corporation capital tax!
BC's corporate capital tax: a short history
B.C.'s corporation capital tax was introduced in 1973 by the province's first New Democratic Party government. The intent, said then-Premier and Finance Minister Dave Barrett, was "to raise the contribution of companies to the costs of providing government services to the people of British Columbia."
According to Barrett, the corporation capital tax would generate $7 million annually for the provincial treasury. But in its first full year of operation (1974-75), revenues came in at more than double that figure -- $16.7 million.
The new Social Credit government led by Bill Bennett, which was elected in December 1975 with a promise to kill the corporation capital tax, merely tinkered with it and revenues continued to soar. In 1979-80 the levy generated $47.3 million, and in 1985-86 it hit $94.3 million.
(All figures relating to the corporation capital tax were obtained from B.C. budgets, B.C. Public Accounts or the province's Financial and Economic Review, from various years.)
Some changes were in order, and in 1985 then-Social Credit finance minister Hugh Curtis introduced an amendment that would gradually eliminate the tax over a three-year period. As one Socred acknowledged in the House, it was time to fulfill a promise made in three different elections.
There was one major exception to Curtis' amendment, however. According to the Socred finance minister, the phase-out applied to all companies operating in B.C. "except major banks which have their headquarters outside the province". In part, the measure was intended to induce one or more of the country's large banks to re-locate to British Columbia.
Not unexpectedly, Canada's big banks cried foul, claiming the measure was discriminatory.
Two years later, in part to address the issue of discrimination, the Bill Vander Zalm-led Social Credit government brought in new amendments. "I am proposing to remove the exemption from taxation for British Columbia headquartered banks," said Finance Minister Mel Couvelier.
He wryly added: "This change will not have any effect on taxpayers, since there are no banks with head offices in British Columbia which are large enough to pay the tax."
Indeed, the major banks continued to pay B.C.'s corporation capital tax -- and additionally, thanks to another Couvelier amendment -- so would large trust companies.
Yet, thanks to new exemptions, government revenues from the tax quickly plummeted. By 1987-88, the tax raised just $56.8 million, and then fell to its nadir in 1989-90 with a measly $4.0 million.
How New Dems pumped up the tax
The election in 1991 of B.C.'s second New Democratic Party government saw a renewed focus on the corporation capital tax. In his first budget speech on April 1992, NDP Finance Minister Glen Clark said he was expanding the levy so that it would apply to all corporations -- not just financial institutions -- with paid-up capital in excess of $1 billion.
Non-financial institutions faced an annual 0.3 percent levy, while smaller banks, trust companies and credit unions (with paid-up capital under $500 million) would pay one percent. The largest banks saw their tax rate move from two percent to three.
As was intended, corporation capital tax receipts soared under the New Democrats, leaping to between $350 million and $400 million annually for most of the 1990s. By the NDP's last three years in power, the yearly revenues had skyrocketed to about $460 million.
‘Canada’s most damaging tax’: Fraser Institute
B.C.'s business community seethed at paying a tax that was based not on profits, but on capital, and the Fraser Institute described it as 'Canada's Most Damaging Tax'.
Not surprisingly, the 2001 election to government of Gordon Campbell's BC Liberals saw a renewed effort to whack the capital levy. But as the Socreds before them had retained the tax on financial institutions, so too did the Campbell Liberals.
Just three months after winning a lop-sided, legislative-assembly majority of 77-2, new Finance Minister Gary Collins said he was phasing out the tax on corporations "that are not banks, trust companies or credit unions".
From the $460 million or so generated annually through the final years of the NDP, corporation capital tax revenues were expected to fall to less than $100 million in 2004-05 and 2005-06 under the BC Liberals. (See Table A8 on p. 125 here)
Banks' relentless lobbying
As they were under the NDP and Socreds, the country's biggest banks were unhappy about being singled-out for the capital levy, and continued to lobby the BC Liberals throughout their first two terms in government.
Frequent presentations were made by Paul Griffin, B.C. representative of the Canadian Bankers' Association, at annual pre-budget hearings held by the legislature's Select Standing Committee on Finance as it travelled through the province.
In October 2001, at the Hotel Vancouver, Griffin complained to MLAs that "Canfor ... like all general corporations in B.C., will be completely exempt from paying capital tax in 2002. We don't think that's fair."
Six years later, in October 2007, at the Holiday Inn in Surrey (see link), he argued that "the time is right to take the next step: remove the capital tax on financial institutions".
But those appeals and others seemed to fall on deaf ears. Or so it seemed.
Carole Taylor's mission
"Some obstacles are holding us back from becoming a more important centre for international finance," Carole Taylor said when she unveiled her 2008-09 budget. "The first indisputable issue is the tax we levy on the capital assets of financial institutions operating in B.C."
To that end, Taylor said the government intended "to phase out the capital tax on financial institutions by 2010."
Indeed, the fiscal plan Taylor tabled on February 19, 2008 (Table 2.3 on p. 46), showed that the corporation capital tax, which generated about $95 million in 2007-08, would produce a paltry $36 million in 2009-10, and then nothing in 2010-11.
Yet, despite abolishing the long-standing capital tax, Taylor nonetheless vowed to replace it with "a new minimum tax on financial institutions with capital over $1 billion," and introduced legislation to change the Corporation Capital Tax Act to the Financial Institutions Minimum Tax Act.
How much will the B.C. government receive from the new tax? As stated earlier, budget documents show that no revenue is expected from the corporation capital tax after 2010, but they also show no receipts from its replacement.
According to Griffin, the CBA's B.C. lobbyist, banks paid $57 million in capital tax in 2000-01, and $75 million in 2006-07. Since the new minimum tax applies only to the biggest banks, slashes the rate on B.C. paid-up capital from three percent to one and provides a number of exemptions and deductions, it's hard to see Canada's largest financial institutions -- all together -- paying more than $10-20 million per year, if that.
Why did Taylor do it?
The question remains: why did Taylor repeal a tax that had been in existence since 1973?
Under questioning by NDP Finance Critic Bruce Ralston -- who said he had checked the lobbyists' registry and found no record of Asian or banking representatives visiting Taylor to ask for abolition -- the ex-finance minister tabbed Paul Fairweather, former head of Vancouver's International Financial Centre, as her source of inspiration.
Yet this past spring -- two days after the May 12 provincial election -- the Globe and Mail's 'Report on Business' section ran a front-page feature-article on the growing political clout of the Toronto-Dominion Bank. (The article may be purchased from the Globe here, or read for free on this blog.)
According to the Globe's account, "From taxation rules in British Columbia to sales tax harmonization in Ontario to monetary policy in Ottawa, TD has become what many see as Corporate Canada's most influential player on public policy..."
Moreover, the newspaper reported, it was Frank McKenna -- a former Liberal premier of New Brunswick (from 1987-97) and ex-chair of CanWest Global Communications, which owns the Vancouver Sun newspaper and the Global Television network (from 2003-05), now deputy-chairman of the Toronto-Dominion Bank Financial Group (since 2006) -- who had convinced Taylor to kill B.C.'s tax on banks.
"In particular," stated the Globe, McKenna "was instrumental in helping persuade British Columbia" to repeal the corporation capital tax.
And now -- in a remarkable coincidence -- Taylor has been named to the board of directors of the bank that played a key role in convincing her to repeal B.C.'s corporation capital tax.
Huge bank profits in a downturn
Can TD and Canada's other large banks afford to pay B.C.'s much-reduced Financial Institution Minimum Tax Act?
On August 27, the same day Taylor's TD appointment was announced, the bank also disclosed its financial results for the third quarter of 2008-09. And, boy, were they good!
Adjusted net income for the quarter was $1.3 billion -- yes, billion with a "B" -- which was up from $1.1 billion in the same period one year earlier. And on a year-to-date basis, the bank's adjusted profit was a whopping $3.5 billion, compared to $3.1 billion in the preceding year.
The Toronto Dominion wasn't alone in recording stellar results. Also on August 27, the Royal Bank announced it had racked up a record third-quarter profit of $1.56 billion.
So, while Canada's federal and provincial governments are recording massive deficits, with revenues seeming to have fallen off a cliff, our nation's largest financial institutions are doing very well, thank you.
And in British Columbia, thanks to Carole Taylor's 2008 budget, the big banks will be paying a decreasing amount of capital tax to the provincial treasury -- which this year is expected to show a $2.8 billion shortfall.
Taylor's paycheques
But what about Carole Taylor? Will she be doing okay?
According to a T-D circular (see pp 5-13 here), directors are paid an annual retainer of $75,000, largely for attending a monthly board meeting. Plus, they can earn $15,000 per annum for sitting on a committee, and perhaps $25,000 or $40,000 if they act as committee chair.
Plus, Taylor will get an extra $20,000 yearly because she lives in western Canada.
Then there are the "share-based awards" given to the directors because of the bank's laudable financial performance. Last year, most directors received a minimum of $70,000 in TD stock, with the chairman getting $150,000.
In total, full-year director compensation ranged between $145,000 and $350,000.
Yup. She'll be doing okay. It's a gift, really. ![]()




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Dan the socialist
2 years ago
This sure reeks. Getting rid
This sure reeks. Getting rid of that tax is the BC Liberal way, tax the people more and corporations less.
sunshine coast girl
2 years ago
That's way too much of a coincidence....
Can't she be charged with corruption or something?
Grumpy
2 years ago
Even the West Side Type's choice for Premier..................
...........seems to have sold out the BC Taxpayer, just like Gordo.
Ha, ha, ha, Bill Boring is always promoting Carole Taylor for premier, but why? She is part of that Vancouver elitist (we are better than you because we live in Vancouver's West Side) population who think that they are best to run the province.
Carole Taylor, Gordo and the rest of the Liberal 'Iggy' crowd are too old, too corrupt, and too elitist for this day and age. Liberal sleaze, is well entrenched and well rewarded.
Fiat lux
2 years ago
A most important purpose of
A most important purpose of the policies of the federal and provincial governments are post politics directorships for the anointed holy.
Mulroney's feet haven't touched the ground since he forced the FTA on Canada and whole slew of directorships are waiting for Campbell and Harper.
The funniest part is that this racket driven country, and most of them around the Earth, are still called "democracies".
There's a big police push against youth gangs, but how can these big gangsters get away with their criminal actions to enslave the whole world ?
Has the public become totally blind and stupid not to see and realize the crime wave going on ?
My biggest fear is a Harper majority that would totally ruin and sell off this country to international gangsters, but it is a serious reality, based on the ignorant public's sympathy vote.
Ed Deak.
Barryeng
2 years ago
Reeks
Dan the Socialist is right. This smells to high heaven. Why is this government so hell bent on rewarding their buddies at our expense? I could understand a little pork barreling now and again, but this is so obvious, and so bad that my nose is starting to hurt. If there is anyone in Canada that obviously doesn't need a tax break, it has to be the banks. While every other business in Canada is losing money and/or downsizing, the banks are still showing record profits. Recession? What recession?
What does this government plan to do when my income drops to zero, and there is nothing left to gouge from me?
nechakogal
2 years ago
antidote to corruption
This type of political handshake is typical, just not typically reported, let alone critically appraised, by mainstream media. Remember they are all in it together folks - recall the recent senate appointment of Linda Frum Sokolowski from The National Post? How about CBC's Pamela Wallin? Round, round we go....... Notice how these mainstream journalists are so cozy with Harper? The only antidote to this corruption is to turn off your TV news, cancel your subscriptions to corporate newspapers and subscribe to online news networks like the The Tyee, Public Eye Online, Real News Network and so on.
Janie Jones
2 years ago
Why did Taylor do it?
"The question remains: why did Taylor repeal a tax that had been in existence since 1973?"
Because she was told to.
Karen D.
2 years ago
I feel sick
This doesn't just reek, EDITED FOR LEGAL CONCERNS -- TYEE EDITOR I keep hearing how majority governments are the only type to get things done. But look what happens when you EDITED running our lives. This government should not only be defeated but destroyed for consistently rewarding the rich and dumping on those least able to afford it.
Individuals who still support this provincial government really need to stop listening to those with their hands in your pocket and help remove this pariah from the backs of hard working people.
Peter Dimitrov
2 years ago
Would today's NDP do this?
" In his first budget speech on April 1992, NDP Finance Minister Glen Clark said he was expanding the levy so that it would apply to all corporations -- not just financial institutions -- with paid-up capital in excess of $1 billion.
As was intended, corporation capital tax receipts soared under the New Democrats, leaping to between $350 million and $400 million annually for most of the 1990s. By the NDP's last three years in power, the yearly revenues had skyrocketed to about $460 million.
Those NDP actions, and many others, such as preserving BC Hydro, BC Rail, the BC Building Corporation, the attempt to create a ship building manufacturing sector in BC to build ferries rather than import them, was a democratic socialist policy that advanced the interets of ordinary working class citizens over the interets of banks and major corporations - would today's BC NDP do this? Would ordinary working class people support a return to those policies?
The Province's finances are in shambles due to privatization of assets, due to the dismantlement of a genuinely progressive income tax regieme, due to economic mismangement on a grand scale obfuscated by billions of dollars of federal transfer payments and now we see the cuts, just like in 2001/2002 levied primarily against the poor and working people, coupled with a continued neoliberal capitalist privatization agenda. Yes, today's NDP are against the cuts, against the HST, but what are they for, what is the positive message, if any, they are sending to citizens whose interests are not large Capital's interests? How would they do things differently, what is their social democratic vision for this Province?
Karen D.
2 years ago
Grumpy
I am not an Ignatieff supporter but I must point out that the B.C. Liberal Party is not affiliated with the federal party. Gordon Campbell and his crowd have reached a whole new level of sleaze which is more in line with the actions of the Federal Conservatives.
seth
2 years ago
EDITED FOR LEGAL CONCERNS -- TYEE MODERATOR
Massive corruption is in the trading of legislative favours for campaign donations, and implied (never spoken of course) promises of lucrative post politic consulting contracts, speaking tours, board of director appointments and corporate executive positions.
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Will McMartin should be commissioned to give us an inventory and party hack lolly estimate.
The MSM pundits make a good sum doing speaking engagements for those same businesses, so they ain't sayin'. Maybe a few board of director appointments waiting there too.
In 2005, Carole James tried to mentioned campaign donation corruption but she was too cowardly to make an issue of it.
Senate seats are always good as well.
But the dumbass voter could give a rat's ass. As long as Simpson's reruns and various ball games are playing on the big screen TeeVee. If the Zalm and his recall referendum campaign could get some cool TV type - hey Captain Kirk is doing political stuff in Canada now - maybe he could do a good job ridiculing these crooks and getting the cattle riled up.
Failing that its back to mass Liberal party membership buys and stacking the next party convention with real liberals.
alive
2 years ago
Parasite Chick Taylor
There is an ongoing countrywide trend to "ease the pain" for big corporations, with the hope that they in return will stay in the province that allows them the greatest benefit.
In other words we are being played one area against the other.
Taylors action is exactly the same feeeble attempt at cozying up to big business!
She benefitted but did the province benefit? NO!
We are so brainwashed that we keep electing such parasites to office.
Skywalker
2 years ago
The darling of the Canwest media...
...has been snuffling at the trough since her arrival. For any of those Campbell liberals this is a sign that she has the right stuff. You can make all the money you want by whatever means but if you get away with it, you are Grade A Quality right-wing material. Let the rest eat cake! Are we really surprised?
Trent
2 years ago
Make the switch
Take your banking business to a credit union. As an automatic shareholder, you'll get the rewards of the tax cut as well. And you'll also keep the profits of banking in your community!
freebear
2 years ago
Is'nt that conveeeeenient!
Politicians always are manoevring to cover their asses after politics!
NicS
2 years ago
US has bailout $ - Canada has Carol Taylor and others
Is this why our 6 banks are considered so healthy today by international standards. My sense is that our business community condones this type of giveaway. Carol Taylor has been pimping for us and that's the problem with a system that allows her to accept these obvious "thank you rewards". Their value is less than 1/100th of those no longer available corporate taxes. So she took a cut of our corporate "forgiven" bank taxes (less than 1%) as a job kickback and left the balance (more than 99%) of our taxes on the table for the Canadian banks to scoop up. Maybe now the banks will leave some cake (crumbs more likely) on that table for us.
morechatter
2 years ago
"Barbie Is Back"
And some could call her sallow and cold hearted I guess especially little kids and its not surprising as Taylor always impressed me as being plastic and unreal. As Taylors all about big business and big money as wee ones as young as 8 year olds are working kiddie stroll as former bank executive gets charged for kiddie pron. Carol made it all possible for BC kids as leaves BC babes without as Taylor makes big business and bankers happy by reducing budget some 60 percent for children to ensure little ones go without help from abuse or their abusers.
Banks get handouts of 75 billion from feds while homeowners pick up the loses of the sale of their homes in the hundreds of thousands and banks get ready to do it all again with interest rates at all time lows.
While the banks make record profits and Canadians have record deficits.
Someone should go take a camera down to kiddie stroll as to see whats happening to Canadian children in BC. BC kids are doing tricks as young as eight without any worry of anyone getting in the way of the transaction as Mercedes turns the corner to pick up little girls to do sexual favors for survival.
Also not included in Canadian's fake unemployment numbers as like I said Harper's lies like the sidewalk he has unemployed Canadians sleep on, children not excluded. Yes sir those banks must be thrilled as money makes it into to their pockets instead of that of needy kids.
Expect serious unemployment to continue as China rocks are boat, and right now big waves are going to cost Canadians dearly. Also 10,000 Canadians given the boot today as unemployment in Canada continues to climb as cuts to services cost jobs both private and public.
While immigrants in the hundreds of thousands who are looking for jobs or working Canadian jobs are not included in the equation as foreign students come to BC to work and forget school as numbers are in the thousands.
RC
2 years ago
Recession What stinkin' Recession
Kind of makes you wonder. A provincial government that professes a seismic shift in revenue, yet in reality the anticipated revenue for 2009/10 is only 700M$ less than 2008/09, yet the deficit is supposed to be 2.8 B$. Banks that are recording profits in the Billions. Income tax reductions that in reality lead to a net tax increase.
A government that covers up its lack of expertise by pleading incompetence.
And in the end who pays through lose of income, livelihood and increased medical costs; the very people who put their trust, belief and faith in the people we elect to govern in our best interests.
We should all be allowed to run up our debt say we thought we were going to make more and then plead ignorance that we did not know what we were doing. The go to the mega-profit banks and say please give us more we will try harder trust us.
It appears the "recession is only a reality for you and I while government and big banks chant, in unison "let them eat cake"
morechatter
2 years ago
Campbell and Harper are simply Unbelievable.
Giving Harper a majority would be like giving Campbell a majority and we know how happy British Columbinas are with Campbell in power? As most citizens would agree an election called tomorrow would not be soon enough to get rid of Cambpell and his majority government. Which why would you give control to someone who can't be trusted. Take their word for it why don't you.
You can't believe Campbell and you can't believe Harper as will do anything to win as it not about Democracy but rather big business and its hostage of our system Canadians hold so dear.
Dussos
2 years ago
Taylor
I remember her as a minor Toronto media personality who met and married Art Phillips, former Liberal Mayor of Vancouver. Taylor has no administrative background, or skills in governance. We have to be cynical, and view her as a useful tool for corporate elitists.
Re bank profits: since last years collapse of Lehman Brothers/Merrill Lynch, American financial institutions have been colluding on writedowns of debt. By paying zero interest to bank account holders, they use money for free, while raking in revenues that cover both loan losses and (from junk holdings like Collateralized Debt Obligations/Credit Default Swaps) and profits. Said collusion allowed each and every bailed out banking institution to pay back bailout money. In fact, many large institutional investors have re-incorporated as banks, so that they can stick their noses in the latest trough. As for Canadian banks, at last count my GICs were paying 0.25% interest. And our banks don't have the write-down problem of US banks. They get money for nothing here, and they lend it out for huge profits. Carole Taylor's job will be to ensure that taxes on same are low.
See links to articles on the anniversary of the US financial collapse.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/?state=noad
driftwolf
2 years ago
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Skywalker
2 years ago
Remember when...
...a Vancouver radio station offered Glen Clark a radio talk show on his retirement from politics. It was a job he was amply qualified. The right-wing went nuts at the prospect of having a former NDP Premier talking politics in a Campbell Liberal world. The world would come to an end as we knew it. Even our own Rafe did his thing getting exorcised that Clark was getting a job similar to his. The end result was that the offer was withdrawn and the rest is history.
For those on the right there is no such problem. No matter how they use their positions to ingratiate themselves to the corporate interests they always get paid back with directorships and positions for which they rarely have qualifications. Qualifications have nothing to do with it. It is payback. The oldest form of passing benefit to the friends who benefit you.
Just imagine the outcry if any NDPer on those rare ocassions even got a job with a labour Union which he/she might have been a member of before he was elected to office. Oh the horror of it.
Payoffs for those on the right are just based on merit. Yeah and pigs get to snuffle at both troughs.
Matt T.
2 years ago
@ Peter Dimitrov
When the corporaton capital tax was substantially re-introduced in the 1990's, Premier Harcourt also went on the record as noted here:
http://www.boardoftrade.com/vbot_page.asp?pageid=748
And Manitoba's New Democrat goverment is also eliminating the corporate capital tax:
was eliminated on July 1, 2008, for corporations that use more than 50% of their labour and capital in Manitoba in M&P activities; and will be eliminated after 2010 for other corporations.
http://www.pwc.com/ca/en/tax/budgets/2009/manitoba.jhtml
So to answer your question - YES.
The real question is WHY??!
morechatter
2 years ago
Carole Kills Corporate Taxes
For big banks while Harper Kills any opportunities for small business as tax payers dollars go to help line the pocket of foreign investors. Foreign investors who can pull their money out on a whim.
Let big business go somewhere else and bleed the residents of their futures in this country we got plenty of are own corporations bleeding us dry. And the truth be know these big business guys are not going any where as long as you still have a buck the greedy can bleed you out of.
It is about supply and demand not giving away the futures of Canadians and their environment as Alberta has the biggest blackest hole making Canadians one of the biggest polluters out there. Killing the environment and here Taylor was all about the environment or pardon me the carbon tax. A lot of good that has done.
I would be very careful what government gets Canadians to sign away especially when it comes to foreign investors as American gets tuned into the environment and regulation while Canada picks up on USA corporate corruption as foreign investors find Canada's government only to eager to sell Canadians out.
ReeferMadness
2 years ago
Trickle down economics
Connect the dots. Follow the money. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Insert your favorite relevant cliche here.
The wealthy look after their collective interests while using anti-government rhetoric and "competitive pressures" arguments for cover. Unless and until Joe Average out there wises up and figures out what's going on, expect more of the same.
lynn
2 years ago
Coming out of the closet.... (again) :
One pair of ruby red Gucci heels.
Skywalker
2 years ago
Matt T
"the tax would be eliminated when the budget was balanced"
And is the budget balanced? No. Whose paying to balance it this time? We (Joe and Jane Average) are through the HST and carbon tax and increased fees. It sure isn't the banks.
Who gets rewarded? Carole Taylor the person who repealed the corporate capital tax.
Would the NDP do this? Would their former finance minister be hired by the very banks who profited? Yeah when pigs fly.
It works for you does it?
PWB
2 years ago
Time to constrain publicly elected officials.
Just a suggestion --- maybe officials (and their spouses) who are elected to public office should be prevented from holding a position on the board of directors of corporations that do business in Canada, for at least 5-10 years after they leave office. This could also be imposed for Senate appointments as well. I'm not sure how we would handle the situation where an ex-official could direct his own business, but I'm sure there are ways. It just seems to me that if abuses are occurring and it appears that they could be, then it is time legislation is produced to stop the practice.
Bob Watts
2 years ago
Who to blame?
Those welfare bums are killing this province!
You know she only has to show up once a year to vote on her own pay raise, other than that she can just phone in her prescripted vote on raising interest charges on the rest of us. Prime rate 0.25% my car payment 13.5% and I was told I was a lucky guy to have such a low rate.
BC the greatest place on earth if you don't live here!!!
reality_check
2 years ago
Just call them "BANKSTERS"!
PWB, that's a food suggestion!
It seems that political office is a way to get a great job, should you "pass" laws that help. It is clear what has and is happening! Corporations are so in bed with politicians (of the pro-business type) that it is getting really sleazy! Before the election, parties get money (with taxation benefits, surprise, surprise) and, after, they get jobs. When they are on those boards, they can call their political friends! It is a perfect circle of friends.
We live in an oligarchy!
lynn
2 years ago
BC Liberal Party Hardy Club
"It appears the "recession is only a reality for you and I while government and big banks chant, in unison "let them eat cake"
You hit the nail on the head there, RC.
It's been intentionally "custom-designed" that way.
We pay.
They party.
reality_check
2 years ago
Trent said: "Take your
Trent said: "Take your banking business to a credit union. As an automatic shareholder, you'll get the rewards of the tax cut as well."
Can someone tell me more about this! My "income tax" package never indicated this to me!
BTW, I meant to write "good" not "food" in my previous post.
What is most shocking with reading all the great comments here is that politicians such as Taylor are being used and using Corporations. She was a journalist before and she was the finance minister. Isn't it time that we get to know the credentials of those people and that no one with no credentials like her can get jobs like she does? How can this woman be of any use for TD except to be a well paid lobbyist, if indeed she is lacking in credentials (education/degree)?
Great article! Keep them coming!
We need more mud to be flying for the general public to know.
Tieleman
2 years ago
Gucci Girl all the way!
Great piece Will - the Gucci Girl delivers for the Gucci Government once again!
used to live in...
2 years ago
corporate whoredom
Today I sold every share I owned of the TD Bank.
In BC you can receive $136,000 per annum in dividend income as a couple and pay exactly zero dollars in tax if you have no other income. Why? The guys who work at hourly wages are taxed at higher levels than people who have accumulated capital assets and can afford to not work anymore. How do I know? Because I can do it and it makes me sick. Trickle down economics is a great falsehood. When you drop corporate taxes and reduce taxes paid on dividends you take away my incentive to own a company and grow. If you return the tax levels to 2001, corporations are not going to leave BC and Vancouver in droves, neither are wealthy individuals who have jobs such as dentists, doctors and business owners. Resources that are owned by the people will also be used when prices are high enough to cover costs. Don't listen to the Campbell nonsense that we have to reduce corporate taxes or royalties on gas drilling. It is simply not true. They are doing exactly what Harper is doing (and I went to university in economics with that jackass)and that is bowing to their corporate masters. This appointment is more feathering of ones own nest.
Hermans Hermit
2 years ago
@ used to live in...
"When you drop corporate taxes and reduce taxes paid on dividends you take away my incentive to own a company and grow."
You must be a business/economics prof at one of our local universities. NOT!
Fish-counter
2 years ago
Yes, but Carole Taylor looks good in TD Green
Why worry about the optics? Carole Taylor is crying all the way to the bank. The Campbell government are such outlandish brigands that you have to laugh. I am only worried that Carole may need a second job to make ends meet. All that nail polish and those shoes are expensive.
shotspur
2 years ago
Carole Taylor
I used to fancy Carole, and daydream about what she could do to me if she ever got out of that well-cut, girl-politico suit. Now she has dropped her pants,
and done it.
May she enjoy her ill gotten fruit.
Bobby Peru
2 years ago
More left wing X-Files...
You guys are weaving conspiracy webs based on pure fantasy. I think TD made Taylor a director based on her contacts and profile. The reward for saving them corporate capital tax (a board appointment and some options) is a mere pittance for the amount saved. But, let's clarify the argument.
A minimum corporate tax based on paid up share capital is simply punitive and ill conceived. Taxes should be based on profit. To charge loss making companies, which employ BC people, a capital tax only worsens matters. It's only purpose is to make left wing politicians feel better, chasing evil corporations. It drives away investment in BC and we sorely need private sector jobs.
Then, what's wrong with her taking private sector appointments? Glen Clark works for Jimmy Pattison- who must be the left's arch villain. In fact, Pattison saved Clark's livelihood because I don't remember any of BC's cherished unions offering Clark anything.
Dussos
2 years ago
MonopolyMadness
ReeferMadness
You mention the "competitive pressures" argument. Canadian prime rates are always higher than US, because regulators fear a capital flow to the bigger market. Thus, the money-for-nothing benefit enjoyed by banks, is much higher here. My bank posted loan/interest rates on a chalkboard display for 30 years; it it now gonzo! Why? There is a huge differential between same.
Collusion is now brazen in the US. The four biggest banks now control 60% of all bank deposits in the US (in the State of Georgia, Big Money is grabbing 1 bank every 2 weeks). How do they finance purchases of these fire sale bargains? Collusion: they have made themselves immune from bankruptcy, by setting "floor" operational costs. That is: they are joining together to write-off bad loans,through secret deals on write-downs. If they - and the FOUR control 90% of Derivatives - write-down 10% per year, then they have joint FLOOR costs, and they can pretend that the rest of their operations are Free Market. Of course, monopoly reaches the CEILING.
Speculative? No. The FOUR beat Obama's regulative initiative by announcing joint operation of a "Clearinghouse" for Derivative junk (CDOs/CDS). They will get away with this monopoly, because our American friends prefer no-cost (they WILL pay indirectly) private schemes over government intervention. And last weekend's right-wing protests reveal there are lots of sheeple for Big Money to manipulate.
http://www.thedeal.com/dealscape/2009/09/aig_fed_jpmorgan_goldman_bac_citigroup_derivatives.php
Alexa monitoring reports that one-quarter of page-views here are by Americans. Ergo: some should post their views on the anniversary of Lehman/Merrill Lynch catastrophe.
seth
2 years ago
Clark
Wiped out the NDP for three elections in a row so far. I'd say he's the best thing that every happened to Big Business in BC. He deserves a most excellent reward - even better than Taylor's.
I think Carole James should be up there for one as well. By hanging on as long as she has and refusing to do the honorable, she's kept the Clark snowball rolling. I think Humongous Bank should send something her way if the NDP ever grows a set of balls and gives the boot.
Trent
2 years ago
@reality_check
You want to know how you would benefit by being a credit union member?
Who owns the controlling share of your local credit union? What's required to get membership in your local credit union?
Frank
2 years ago
seth
If Clark hurt the NDP then why has Campbell won 3 elections when he's made Clark look like a genius?
As for James, the enviros wanted a carbon tax and didn't give a rat's ass about salmon, forest rangers, mining, forestry giveaways, oil pipelines or anything else.
Campbell is their baby.
Frank
2 years ago
Herman
You must be a professor of English. Not.
Frank
2 years ago
Bobby Peru
"Then, what's wrong with her taking private sector appointments?"
There's no reason why there shouldn't be corruption when the standards of people like yourself are so low.
crankypants
2 years ago
Optics
The optics of this appointment can make one suspicious as to how or why she got it. I doubt we will ever know. First of all, we don't know if she had carte blanche to run her ministry or whether she was just the spokesman for Gordon Campbell and his advisors. I would suspect it is the latter as Campbell does not strike me the type that would relinquish control, no matter who or what their reputation may be.
To me the bigger concern is the BC Liberal Party's penchant to keep on shifting more and more of the tax burden onto the backs of the general public.
I am much more concerned about the finances of the province today. Pre-election we were assured that the deficit would not be any more than $495 million. Post election we are informed by Colin Hansen that revenues are projected to have fallen by $2 billion. The updated budget he brought down on September 1 only reflects a drop of $720 million compared to the February budget. Then why is the deficit projected to have risen from $495 million to $2.8 billion. Where is the other $1.6 billion? I suggest that the February budget was doctored to aid in the Liberals campaign and now they had no choice but to project more realistic projections. Add to that the government is now cutting back on lottery grants to all kinds of charities and non-profit organizations and redirecting a large portion of lottery monies to areas that were previously funded out of general revenue and you have a perfect example of a government in total fiscal disarray. Add the proposed HST to the mix and the citizens of BC can look forward to some very difficult times.
zalm
2 years ago
Bobby
I'm with you on the conspiracy. After what hubby Art earned on the partial sale of his company to RBC, $300 large a year is chicken feed for the aforementioned Guccis, with maybe enough to renovate the closet.
But you've got me laughing here:
"A minimum corporate tax based on paid up share capital is simply punitive and ill-conceived...."
It's actually exceedingly well-conceived as it's the most representative way of estimating a bank's earnings - by using the market's estimate. Considering the lack of real economic value produced by firms that focus their business solely on expanding the money supply in a monopoly situation, it's a remarkably fair tax as well. I think brokerages should be added to the list, with no lower limits on capital.
And despite what the Fraser Institution would have you believe, economists, especially ones who actually study the real world, not the imaginary mathematical one, are not at all agreed that capital taxes cause money to flow out of an economy.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2007/06/should_we_tax_income_at_the_bu.cfm
"Taxes should be based on profit."
I'm in. You can tax me on my profit last year - which I estimate at about $600. Hell, you can tax me 100% on my profit if you leave my income alone. My income was a helluva lot more, but by the time I spent my hard-earned money on taxes and fees, purchasing services that I was required to have, not to mention ones necessary for life and health, plus a little ordinary stuff like mortgage and food and a couple of bottles of wine (surely these would be expensible, and not even Pouilly-Fusse!), I found myself with just enough money for a nice weekend on the Island with the wife.
Tax that, ya bugger, and leave me my income! After all, if income is supposed to be a societal good, just like corporate profits, why the hell do we tax them so much?
sicntired
2 years ago
This is the kind of corruption that politicians legislate their
This is just another example of a politician being rewarded for work done on behalf of the people that benefits no one but the entity that hires the politician into a position where they can benefit fully from the legislation they tabled before leaving office.It's not as outright fraudulent as Patrick Kinsella's machinations but it's pretty sleazy.Carole Taylor always was smarter than the average hack but I had her as my MLA for her entire term and she only made my situation worse.
mrsthursday
2 years ago
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"There she goes Miss Tooorrronttoooo"(1964)♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
I've followed Ms Taylor's career without really trying over the years, as she's flit from well paid job to even better paying job. Don't let that vacant stare fool you, she knows where she's at. I don't think it's money that interests CT anymore but she does enjoy the trappings that today's executive expect, beautifully appointed office, the prestige of having that all important title, the honoury degrees, etc.
Oh by the by she accepted an appointment to sit on a Federal Ministry of Finance advisory panel after which she resigned from the BC Leg. So she's off again now to the TD Bank. Wonder what's next for our Carole??
Camero409
2 years ago
Missssss Toroooooonto
I agree with the above statement. CT could read a script very clear and concisely when she was a journalist. And she proved she could read a script very well while finance minister in BC. What are her credentials? Well just look at her! Fairly good looking, speaks well, nice voice, dresses well, knows the right people, would make nice eye candy for some rich banker.....uuummmmm educated, uuummmm ????? So you see she fit in very well with campbell, good looking, not too bright, doesn't ask questions EDITED FOR LEGAL CONCERNS -- TYEE MODERATOR
used to live in...
2 years ago
Hermans Hermit
When corporate taxes and personal taxes are reduced to obscenely low levels, more money simply passes into the owners pocket. There is less reason to take risk, since gains are assured. At some point, there is enough money not to continue. You sell your company and live off the capital proceeds. Much of the sale price is sheltered under the small business deduction tax break. Those capital proceeds are then invested in shares of Canadian companies that pay tax advantaged dividends. Our current tax system is a race to the bottom. The fairness in taxation is long gone. Trickle down economic theory or Reagonomics is dead. And in B.C. and Canada in general, corporations and wealthy individuals are taxed at such obscenely low rates that the salaried and hourly workers must continuously shoulder more of the tax burden. Social programs must then be cut and corporations can then offer to provide some of those services at a profit. See the circle we are creating? As far as university, that economics degree was not worth the paper it was written on. Samuelson was wrong and there are very few free markets. Try reading The Predator State by James Galbraith and Deep Economy by Bill McKibben. Cheers.
Skywalker
2 years ago
Bobby Peru
Did you really write this "Then, what's wrong with her taking private sector appointments? Glen Clark works for Jimmy Pattison- who must be the left's arch villain. In fact, Pattison saved Clark's livelihood because I don't remember any of BC's cherished unions offering Clark anything."
Clark as Premier never id anything to increase Jimmy Pattison's profit margin. Pattison got no tax breaks for his corporations from the Clark government and Clark was never offered a union job. That compared to Carole Taylor who gets a job from a bank which directly benefited from her actions. Wow! I REST MY CASE.
Now I also notice that Realisticman has been conspicuously absent from this discussion but he's very active on another concerning a silly Canwest/Ipso poll. I wonder why?
Bobby Peru
2 years ago
Conspiracy Theory
You people from BC think successful people should display an 'Aw shucks', I'm just a regular dude attitude and should dress in flannel and Roots shoes. Well, if you go to London, New York, Washington DC, senior executives and politicians should appear 'well turned out'. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I want our senior politicians to behave and appear professional. Not like some of these firebrand unionists that the NDP love to place in power, unionists who forget to leave their union hall tactics behind when they are in power.
Carol Taylor would have been branded if she accepted a job with any corporation with a presence in BC that benefited from the repeal of corporate capital tax. Anyone who know anything about banks can tell you that paid up capital has little to do with a banks profitability or income. The reason is that banks leverage on their capital and asset base to make loans and invest.
As I said, you're stretching your imagination if you think $350,000 is a payoff to CT for helping TD Bank. That's peanuts. If you think $350,000 is alot of money then you're deluded.
CT isn't the only person who has the skill, luck and charisma to skip from job to job. One thing you socialists always fail to understand is that life is not fair. And whatever you do to level the playing field will only may life worse for everyone. All humans aren't created equal and some people have more talent than others. Or more luck. Accept it and you'll have lower blood pressure.
Be grateful that our Canadian banks were strong and well regulated enough to avoid and survive the financial crisis. And that the Canadian economy hasn't suffered as much as the US economy. Breaking up our banks would only weaken the system.
The Carol haters here are displaying a typical Canadian trait: the culture of envy. Hating success is a sport in BC.
G West
2 years ago
How old is Carole Taylor?
How rich is Carole Taylor?
How much more money does Carole Taylor need?
Why doesn't she just retire and look after her aged husband?
She managed to do the job of Finance Minister without ever reading and understanding the laws she shepherded through the house - the fact she's being paid now to sign her name to the annual reports of the TD Bank really isn't much different than what she's done for the rest of her career.
Look pretty and smile when they take her picture.
If corporations need 'that' sore of thing, so be it - but pretending the lady who 'reads' the news ought to be the one 'making' it is a pretty scary notion in any area.
This is a cynosure - plain and simple - just like the 'rest' of her so-called career.
That doesn't mean one hates the woman - it's simply an acknowledgment that she's no more than a superannuated beauty queen.
Same old, same old. To me it's not much of a success to marry a rich man and smile all the time - but, for those who are impressed with that sort of thing - you're welcome to her....SHE ALWAYS DOES AS SHE'S TOLD - and that's important in a woman - apparently.
Camero409
2 years ago
Bobby Peru Who Are You?
"unionists who forget to leave their union hall tactics behind when they are in power". Hmm do I see a double standard here? The unionists and NDP should leave all their connections and ways of doing business behind while the corporate elite shouldn't? Let me say this having been involved in unions for many, many years; a union is more democratic that a Multi-national corp could ever be. BP until you have walked in a unionist shoes perhaps you should join one and find out for yourself. I might add, a corporate elite couldn't last a minute in a union meeting, he would be found out for what he stood for in a matter of minutes and drummed out.
As for Carol Taylor, that is really a blank stare and I might add, suits her!
smudgersmith@shaw.ca
2 years ago
A Banana Republic
This is so blatant. Has she no shame? I never trusted her since I saw her in Vancouver politics in the 90's. Does anyone have her e-mail address? No point in whining about it here. She's not likely to read it. The ruling elite in Canada are irredeemably corrupt!
Van Isle
2 years ago
You want another reason why
You want another reason why TD picked Taylor to be on the board? It very simple; if you know your history, Campbell and Taylor were in Vancouver politics together and they were "connected", which the whole staff at city hall knew about. To put it simply the TD a has a direct link to Campbell thru Taylor.
Bob Watts
2 years ago
Credit Union?
OK it sound good to belong to a Credit Union BUT!
One of our local schools has a Bank Acct with about $2,000 the interest rate is 0.010% I gag every time I see this acct generating .02 cents per month. The unions, credit cards also suck as the interest rates start at 5% more the my scotia VISA card.
You have to admit bank rates are all make believe, and payday loans interest rates makes the Mafia's loans look good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skywalker
2 years ago
Bobby Peru...
says "If you think $350,000 is alot of money then you're deluded.".. Are you suggesting that you can't buy a liberal politician, with no credentials, with a $350,000 salary? Camero ask the right question, Who are you, that might explain the double standard when it comes to liberal politicians being "taken care of" by the business sector.
SharingIsGood
2 years ago
Bobby Peru
Bobby Peru said:
"In fact, Pattison saved Clark's livelihood because I don't remember any of BC's cherished unions offering Clark anything."
Exactly, Bobby.
What most people don't understand is that although the NDP gets a good portion of its funding from unions, it gets more than half of its money directly individuals. Further, it is standard practice to have the members in the unions vote on whether they will collectively donate to a political party. Often, when this is done, individual union members do no further donating to a political party. The NDP gets more money from individuals than the BC Liberals get from individuals. The BC Liberals get most of their money from corporations. These corporate donations come from accounts that are controlled by a select number of people (often the boards of directors - like Carole Taylor has just joined).
Now, about Glen Clark: BCs Unions have not been particularly enamoured with the NDP for many years. Clark was no real friend of the unions when he was premier, he just thought to be most likely to look after the common good, not the corporate good. Campbell, Taylor and the BC Liberals have proven themselves to be on the side of the corporations and the wealthy.
dorothy
2 years ago
Bobby Peru
“One thing you socialists always fail to understand is that life is not fair. And whatever you do to level the playing field will only may life worse for everyone. All humans aren't created equal and some people have more talent than others. Or more luck.”
But then we’re not talking about ‘life’ here. We’re talking about people and their machinations and positionings.
You sound defeatist. As if we can’t make the deal more decent for more people if we really try. You sound like those people who would tell us next, that we should just duck and grit our teeth and get the Hel trough this valley of tears, and then we will get our reward in the hereafter. We’re not talking about leveling the playing field, and life is no game to be played. It is a precious gift, that some people try their best to spit on by making it as dirty as they possibly can. Show some damned respect and quit talking smartass talk.
“If you think $350,000 is alot of money then you're deluded.”
For some of us, it is a lot of money. Are you trying to add insult to injury, for those who live with an economy different in scale from yours?
Your tone really annoys me. This isn’t some dumb game of one-upmanship, but an honest exchange among honest folks trying to come up with answers to problems that are hurting for some of us, or at least understanding of where it burns. If you’re not willing or able to grasp that, but need to hit on somebody, you can go somewhere and pay for that kind of service.
morechatter
2 years ago
Come Now Bobbie
You got to admit she has that Barbie look, as only plastic surgery does so well. Or maybe not and no problem looking good as long as it comes from the inside too. Carole is a real pay off for big firms especially dealing with legal mumo jumo since she did her stint with the Liberal Government as Fiance Butcher finsihing off the low income as she spared no one young and old alike.
So its a natural her talents would appeal to thos who are into profit and Nothing else.
SharingIsGood
2 years ago
erratum
"Clark was no real friend of the unions when he was premier, he just thought to be most likely to look after the common good..."
should have been:
Clark was no real friend of the unions when he was premier, he [was] just thought to be most likely to look after the common good...
Trent
2 years ago
@Bob Watts
Bob, your credit union can't lend the money if it's in a chequing account, so they can't collect any interest on it. Put it in a cashable GIC and you should be able to get about 1% instead. It's not much, but it's better than nothing considering that lenders are getting as little as 2.5% on new mortgages these days.
The credit card is another story. Simple answer, don't carry debt on them...they're meant for making purchases, not long term loans. The interest rate is so high to offset the cost of people that walk away from paying the debt. Card companies make their real revenue from charging merchants.
I agree about the payday loans. The worst part about them is that the true costs are hidden in fees.
zalm
2 years ago
Mmmmpppphhhhh... snicker.....
"You people from BC think successful people should display an 'Aw shucks', I'm just a regular dude attitude and should dress in flannel and Roots shoes. Well, if you go to London, New York, Washington DC, senior executives and politicians should appear 'well turned out'. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I want our senior politicians to behave and appear professional."
Yep, that's our Bobby.... "All hat, no cattle" as they say in Texas. You just run along now, little Alberta boy, in your "well-turned-out" outfits and hope the fancy threads cover up your intellectual inadequacies.
"One thing you socialists always fail to understand is that life is not fair. And whatever you do to level the playing field will only may life worse for everyone. All humans aren't created equal and some people have more talent than others. Or more luck. Accept it..."
Well, if that isn't the most offensive thing I've seen you write yet. You're a disgrace to the human condition, Bobby. Get lost.
alive
2 years ago
despicable creature
""One thing you socialists always fail to understand is that life is not fair. And whatever you do to level the playing field will only may life worse for everyone. All humans aren't created equal and some people have more talent than others. Or more luck. Accept it..."
Isn't that the same blowhard who said that "might is right"?
I agree with you Zalm that creep should get lost
Dr Alexander
2 years ago
G West, your description of Carole Taylor reminds me of...
Diane Francis.
Another financial genius.
At least our own local financial genius, you know, the one that has a comedy show on Saturday morning radio, does have some kind of education in economics. Doesn't he? You know, the same guy who was being sued by his pals at Equity magazine.
egodley
2 years ago
Well done!
Good on you, McMartin! And thank heavens for The Tyee, because, as Nechakogal so rightly points out, "This type of political handshake is typical, just not typically reported, let alone critically appraised, by mainstream media."