Slavery

As someone whose father's family has been on Turtle Island since the 1600s and intermarried with local Indian ladies, I understand too Ramona.

I understand that expecting special status, rights and priveleges for one race over another is racism and not just a convenient way for corporations to gain control over lands and resources that actually belong to all of us.

There is another thread on this subject on The Hook where I posted this on the subject of how civilized the native people were:

"It is conceivable that James Douglas’ lifelong distaste for 'the abominable traffic in slaves' arose partially in response to his own mixed family background. By 1829, he was well aware that Americans were buying slaves at Cape Flattery and the Strait of Juan de Fuca, transporting them to Haida territory, and trading them for between thirty and fifty beaver pelts per person.
'This detestable traffic and the evils it gives rise to,' he wrote, 'are subjects of deep regret to us, but we know of no remedy within our power, or we would use it were it only for the sake of our own interest.'

Although Douglas recognized that slaves had long been 'the principal circulating medium on this Coast,' he refused to allow Hudson’s Bay Company traders to procure furs by offering humans for sale or barter, unlike many Russian and American traders, and he disdained the tradition of slavery along the Pacific Coast."

Source:
http://www.abcbookworld.com/view_author.php?id=3095

A question, Janie

"I understand that expecting special status, rights and priveleges for one race over another is racism"
I take it you are referring to the European seizure of FN lands and the destruction of their culture?

The poor little Russian proletariat.

No I am not anarcho. That was then and this is now.

I am referring to the impending international corporate takeover of the publicly owned lands and resources of British Columbia using "first nations" rights and privileges as the excuse in the same way that the poor little Russian proletariat was used to transfer billions of dollars worth of assets to Rothschilds affiliated bankers.

And who owns Russia now anarcho?

The same people who will, if all goes according to plan, own BC.

No subterfuge needed

I don't think they need that sort of subterfuge, Janie. Our ruling class and its shills in government are more than happy to give everything away. This has been essentially what neoliberalism is about. Why bring up the Rothhchilds as though they were all there was to capitalism? Is this not a variant of the anti=Semitic "Capitalism is Jewish" routine?Is this why you are attempting to blame the FN for the corporatist take over - because you have a racist agenda? What exactly are your politics?

Don't get fooled again

You didn't answer my question anarcho.

Who owns Russia now?

BTW I am not blaming the FN. They are just tools, the same way the Russian proletariat was.

anarcho

I thnk the Rothchilds are credited with making use of The Corporation the way we think of it today.......

Arrested oil tycoon passed shares to banker

Mayer Rothschild and his five sons are also credited with creating the central banking system which now has its tentacles throughout almost every country in the world. North Korea, Iran, Libya, the old axis of evil itself, are among its notable exceptions. And up until 1917, the Russian Empire.

Not all Rothschilds affiliated bankers are Jewish. JP Morgan Chase certainly an old WASP firm. In his day, JP Morgan was thought to be the richest man in America but when he died it was discovered that he only owned 9% of the banking firm that carries his name. The rest owned by "foreign interests" and the only candidate in that stratospheric range is the Rothschilds.

Now they're also called the World Bank, the IMF and soon to be Carbon Exchange Central. We've already pledged $10 billion. The sky's the limit on this one. It's like the protection racket at the end of world.

Anyways I've gotten tired of waiting for anarcho to tell me who owns Russia today but here's a good start:

Arrested oil tycoon passed shares to banker: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2003/nov/02/20031102-111400-3720r/

Lets Go! to hell in a handbasket

Whitey would have frozen and starved when they arrived on the coast of BC if the Idigenous people had not taught them how to survive. Indigenous people get repaid by being represented as "below" whitey technologically. Well, how come Gordo's Grade 1 propoganda doesn't tell the truth that the Indigenous people CHOSE this kincentric relationship with the earth and are spiritually miles "above" whitey. White philosophical tenets perpetrate the explotation of the environment for profit of oligarchs and promote technology like it is a God. And yes, Gordo is trying as hard as he can to use Indigenous peoples and their rights to their land as a tool to corporatize and harmonize and privatize our province. He is looking to replace the public trust doctrine with the fear and shock doctrine.

I will quote Lee Maracle from her book "I am Woman". " I understand that my foremothers were an austere, disciplined people and were absolutely opposed to waste of any sort. Their standards of honesty were established by those people who contributed most to the well-being of the community and the nation as a whole; that is was CRIMINAL to use another to enrich oneself. By this, I understand that explotation of the land or people, in the interest of profit, was prohibited".

"I understand that the teachings of my people were diected at instilling in our young children a sense of the self and our importance to the community. The teachings required that we seek, not our own happiness, but the well-being of others. . . . Thus, the luxury-orientated consumerism of this society runs contrary to our laws".

"I understand that my foremothers were very conscious of their relationship and dependence on the land as a source of life. They believed that to destroy life without necessity was a crime. More than that, to destroy natural life, needlessly, was to court disaster. This means to me that the destruction of natural resources and the production of junk, in the interest of profit, is contrary to our laws".

"Further, if we be the caretakers of this land, then, the obligation to alter the destiny of this society is our collective responsibility".

Thank you Lee Maracle, and I will be taking part in this collective responsibility by speaking to my son's Grade one teacher about this "Lets Go!" propoganda when I pick him up from school today.

Courting disaster?

Gee Ms Aware-beware, if you really feel like that, why aren't you home schooling your son?

"Whitey would have frozen and starved when they arrived on the coast of BC if the Idigenous people had not taught them how to survive."

That is a crock and a half. For the first hundred odd of contact between Europeans and BC natives, a trading relationship existed between them as BC was not attractive to settlers due to its remoteness and the nature of the land as very little was suitable for farming. Most of the trading was done straight off the ships with the natives paddling out with goods. Let's just say they knew what "Whitey" (isn't that a racist term?) wanted.

It was not until the gold rush that Europeans (actually Americans) came to stay in any great numbers.

The first thing the natives did was despite Maracle's claim that "exploitation of the land or people, in the interest of profit, was prohibited" was hunt the sea otter to near extinction in order to trade its valuble pelts for metal implements, blankets, buttons and other geegaws.

And speaking of exploitation of people, it was estimated that approximately 40% of the populace of native villages were slaves whom the chiefs used to amass wealth to give away at their famous potlatches. They also prostituted female slaves to the traders in exchange for goods.

Sounds like spiritually miles ahead to me.

What is your point? Did you buy a boat load of Lets Go! books?

I will home school my child after people like you are done misinterpreting and misrepresenting the facts to the point of no return. I still have a chance of influencing change in the public school system, or should I say resisting the change the NWO has planned for us.

I thought we were on the same side until your vile comment to me. Why do you not support the fact that Indigenous people lived in harmony with their ecology until whitey came along and offered them money and trinkets to over exploit the natural resources. Do you not want to learn from history? Lets keep on mowing down the forest for timber bucks until it is all gone and we have repeated the seal hunt history.

I partake in the collective responsibility to publically educate all our children, NOT INDOCTRINATE them with Gordo's white corporate propoganda. What responsibility do you take? Maybe you want to volunteer to read this lovely new book to our grade 1 class in the Kootenays! FAT CHANCE! Maybe one of the aboriginal students will explain to you that a kincentric value system is spiritually miles ahead of a corporate capitalistic system with a legal mandate for profit!

Seems like JJ needs to read a few of Lee Maracle's books as well as the Golden Spruce. Indigenous people over-hunted seals TO SELL THEM TO STUPID WHITE PEOPLE WHO SAW ONLY DOLLAR SIGNS. Oh yeah, and people like you who try to find fault instead of fact. Yeah, lets blame the natives for ACCEPTING the pretty trinkets whitey brought to entice them. Oh, as an analogy, lets blame the children for accepting candy and puppies from pedophiles!

I guess you never heard the song "Don't call me whitey, blackie. Don't call me blackie, whitey". If Gordo and his crew want to teach false stereotypes based on a failed corporate capitalistic ideology to Grade ones, then I call us "whitey". If Gordo want to teach respect for the land and animals then I call us human beings. Until you pull your head out of the sand, I will be calling you whitey as well. Cheers, from a human being to whitey!

Sacred Medicine Wheel Includes All Four Races

Can you tell me exactly what facts I have misinterpreted and misunderstood?

I have read The Golden Spruce and as someone who was employed in BC reforestation industry for over twenty years, I actually got where Grant Hadwin was coming from.

The natives of BC are people, Miss Aware-beware, and like people everywhere, they exploited their environment to the extent of their technology and they willingly continue to do so. The Squamish Nation are currently clearcutting the Squamish River watershed and the so-called Four Host First Nations have willingly embraced the Olympics in exchange for jobs and other financial incentives.

And I am proud to count Croatan Indians among my forebearers.

An error

Janie, One of the errors is to apply post-contact situations to the pre-contact one. The fur trade, the use of fire-arms and the devastation of disease (which actually came up the coast before the arrival of the Spanish) created the situation of increased inter-group warfare, increased slavery and increased rivalry.

As for the Russians, of course the capitalists own all their wealth - goes without saying.

US Federal Reserve set up with money embezzled from the Romanovs

I'm sorry anarcho, your analysis of pre/post contact situations makes no sense at all. The arrival of Caucasians and their Chinese employees actually resulted in the end of societal slavery and intertribal warfare on the coast, it didn't increase it.

And "the capitalists" is a way too general. They all have names and addresses and anyone who researches the subject will find that all roads lead to the Rothschilds and it's not "antisemitism" to say so.

If BC First Nations deserve some sort of compensation for the ills membership in the modern world has brought, 90 year formerly absolved concentration camp guards can be put on trial in Jerusalem and looted paintings can be returned to distant relatives seventy years after the fact, then what kind of compensation is owed to the descendants of the tens of millions of Russians who were murdered, enslaved and looted by western banks?

And why are US Federal Reserve heiresses involved in financing native sovereignty movements in BC?

No, Yes, Yes, and Yes

It is true, we have created a situation in which the pre-contact culture of Indigenous People is barely alive in BC, BUT IT IS ALIVE. There are Indigenous people who see very clearly what white corporate capitalistic consumeristic colonialism has to offer us (death by rubber duck, loss of true meaning of life, loss of spirituality, a marraige to the corporation and a divorce from nature with the inherent loss of "power with" ideology and the matching rise in "power over" ideology that rationalizes the destruction of nature).

And it is true, the Rothchilds planted Zionism as a red herring to distract us from the root goal and root creation of the Zeitgiest (see David Icke Important New 2009 Interview YOUTUBE).

Current government continues to attempt to compensate BC Indigenous peoples with money and fake self-government strategies that continue to oppress the true and most omnipotent SPIRIT that is our connection to nature and the universe.

This is why the US Fed is involved in financing native sovereignty movements in BC, because it is FAKE sovereignty and they simply take the voice of the people away with these contracts based in Commercial law. True sovereignty is based in Traditional and Customary law and based on asserting the rights of Indigenous peoples in World Court, not drawing up contracts based in Commercial law and passed into law by Supreme Judges who operate under Commercial law and the Law Society (developed and controlled by the oligarchy).

Of course the tens of millions of Russians should be compensated for what the Illuninati did to their country and their people in the last 20 years, but this will only come about if WE can do it first in our own HOME PLACE. We currently live in a failed democracy defined as an oligarchy, cryptocracy, and corpocracy.

Gordo's Lets Go! Grade one book is such a tiny piece of this lie, but it is one piece that is within my circle of experience and influence, and I did tell my son's teacher to WATCH OUT for this minisule piece of propoganda. We are working hard to regain our natural SPIRIT, and it starts with addressing these tiny pieces of the big lie. If my sons hears less of this lie in public school than I did, it is a start, and it increases the awareness of the excellent teachers who also see their programs and funding being destroyed by current provincial government (oligarchy). This book is a perfect example of what I call HIS STORY, cause that is what it is, a story made up by men who write and rewrite history to suit their needs/assert their mind control.

The book is a survey of modes of Transportation

Sweet cats swimming. People! It is a book about transportation in North America going back about 4-500 years. It is aime a K-1 kids. I have it right here in front of me (in French b/c my kids are in immersion). It starts with asking children how they are going to get to and from school and then imagine how getting around has been done in the past.

The first quarter of the book is dedicated to descriptions of various types of transportation from 300+ years ago. It doesn't talk down to people, it talks about historically accurate predominate modes of transportation technology.

It is tonight's bedtime story in our house. My kids will be tired, they walk home from school.

You're right Bobbi.

Thanks for bringing this conversation back down to earth.

HIS STORY

Sweet dreams