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Premier Campbell Backing off Global Warming Effort?
Enviros worried that cabinet shuffle sends a signal priorities have changed.
No longer 'go-to guy on climate change'?
Since the February 2007 throne speech, environmentalists have had special attention from B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell. There were photo ops with California's climate-crusading Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, aggressive greenhouse gas emissions targets and North America's first carbon tax. All of it was run out of the premier's office.
Now environmentalists aren't sure what to think.
Late in the day Monday, when media attention was focused on the inauguration of Barack Obama, the Campbell government released details of a small cabinet shuffle.
But buried in the announcement was news the Climate Action Secretariat was leaving the premier's office. Its head, Graham Whitmarsh, is going to the Finance Ministry where he will become deputy minister on May 1.
"I've got more questions than I have answers and my big question is, What does this mean?" Susan Howatt of Sierra Club B.C. told The Tyee.
Howatt worries that the bureaucratic maneuverings may mean that climate change is "falling off the agenda" for the B.C. government, which has been lauded by environmentalists over the past year for its leadership on the issue.
"I'm really nervous that this shift to the Ministry of Environment signals it's lower on the agenda and that they're responding to political pressures when the reality is the planet really needs us to take bold action," she said.
'Your go-to guy is gone': NDP
The New Democratic Party's energy critic, John Horgan, said the move shows Campbell has lost interest in climate change.
"Your go-to guy on climate change has gone," said Horgan. "Moving Whitmarsh says the premier has lost interest in his latest shiny bauble, which was climate change.... He was supposed to save the planet and he's going to finance to count the beans on an interim basis."
Matt Horne, a climate change specialist with the Pembina Institute, had a mixed response to the news.
"I would take the move of Graham Whitmarsh to the Ministry of Finance as a positive signal," he said. "He's been such a key mover on the climate file and on the carbon tax."
Hopefully, he said, Whitmarsh will bring that interest with him to his new role, where there's a lot of room to make changes.
Moving the secretariat to the Environment Ministry is more worrisome, Horne said. "It does raise some concerns," he said. "They've been able to play an effective role co-coordinating across ministries."
Horne said he will be watching next month's provincial budget in case there are signs that climate change has slipped off the agenda.
In general, he said, "we haven't seen any backsliding on policies that have been put in place to date." Still, when it comes to policy, "My sense is there's still a considerable way to go."
More steps needed: enviro groups
B.C. was a leader in North America with the carbon tax and the government has in effect banned coal-fired power plants -- a key move that Horne said gets little attention.
But there's still room for improvement. B.C. still doesn't have a blueprint for a functioning cap and trade system, for example, he said.
Ian Bruce, of the Suzuki Foundation, said his organization has argued for a decade that the federal government needs an organization similar to B.C.'s Climate Action Secretariat, run out of the Prime Minister's Office.
Action against greenhouse gas emissions needs to be coordinated across ministries, he said.
"Transportation, for instance, plays a huge role," Bruce said. "So do the energy and resource ministries."
The secretariat is one of the reasons B.C. went quickly from being one of Canada's worst climate change offenders to the leading jurisdiction for fighting global warming, Bruce said.
"Having a central office really helps coordinate actions."
Measuring momentum
With the secretariat shuffled from Campbell's office to Environment, B.C. could lose momentum on the fight against global warming, Bruce said.
He, too, will be looking to the provincial budget for signs of where the issue stands in the government's priorities. The Suzuki Foundation hopes to see spending shifted from oil and gas subsidies and highways to better transit and rail, as well as incentives for renewable energy.
University of Victoria political scientist Dennis Pilon said the move "does send a signal that the premier's attention span has shifted to somewhere else."
Pilon said he was always skeptical of Campbell's green credentials.
"I was always very critical of the idea we should see the premier as some sort of ambassador for the environment," he said.
"There's lots of areas where we could say this government has not been good for the environment," Pilon said, citing privatized power production, run-of-the river power, sour gas, coalbed methane and pipelines.
Nor is Pilon impressed with the carbon tax. The market's power to reduce carbon emissions has been exaggerated, he said.
"I think a lot of carbon tax proponents have overestimated how people calculate their decisions," he said.
Myth of the rational spender?
The idea behind the carbon tax is that people will see the price of carbon-emitting fuels increasing in the future and switch to more earth-friendly practices. But Pilon says many people don't plan their spending that rationally.
"A lot of people don't budget at all," he said. "That's the reality of the way a lot of people live their lives."
The carbon tax sounds like a plausible way to cut carbon emissions, especially to upper middle class policy wonk types, but "to assume people will make that logical decision doesn't really reflect how people live their lives," Pilon argued.
He said environmentalists supported Campbell's climate initiatives because "a lot of them were just desperate. They haven't had a lot of wins."
Supporting the carbon tax allows environmentalists to claim success, he said.
But the premier is distancing himself from the tax because "it's got a stink on it now." A year ago, Campbell was seen as an environmental leader and "all the media lapped it up." Then "the people bit back: 'Damn the experts, we don't like this.' "
In politics, said Pilon, "the facts don't matter" -- what counts is what people believe.
He added he's doubtful the NDP can be elected as tax cutters, despite their "axe the tax" campaign. If tax cuts are what people want, he said, they'll go for the Liberals.
Top climate scientist: 'no big deal'
University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver, a member of the government's Climate Action Team, said he was surprised at the controversy over this week's bureaucratic shuffle.
"So you move [the secretariat] into the Ministry of Environment," he said. "I just don't see a big deal here. The climate czar, as someone called him, is now holding the purse strings."
Graham Whitmarsh was "absolutely, firmly committed" to dealing with climate change, Weaver said.
"I actually think this is a very positive thing. I don't see it as a big deal."
Weaver said he thinks the controversy is at least partly due to the media's boredom with the climate issue.
"It's winter, right?" he said. "The media gets bored with global warming every winter. But in the spring it comes up again because it starts to get warm again.
"I think the media's bored with the issue -- so let's make an issue out of something that's not an issue."
Added Weaver: "I get deeply cynical when I see an opposition party say somehow this is indicative of a lack of interest. A lack of interest would be to start moving away from the policies that [Campbell] put in place."
Related Tyee stories:
- How Fair Is BC's New Carbon Tax?
And will it make rich people greener? - Enviros Wary of Campbell's Plans
Secret, conflicting climate change actions hurt support. - How not to sell a carbon tax
You don't win votes by promising a new tax. And calling the tax "revenue neutral" just gets a laugh from cynical voters.




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DJT
3 years ago
Surprise, surprise.
Surprise, surprise. Is there anyone who actually thought/ thinks that Cambpell gave/ gives a sh** about the environment? It was a blatant attempt to garner publicity and support, but it didn't go over well, so he's "distancing" himself from it, as stated in the article.
If any environmentalist feels "jilted" and didn't see this coming, I've got a swamp for sale in Florida they may be interested in.
Frank
3 years ago
I guess all those people
I guess all those people that didn't buy a Prius last year when gas hit $1.50 a litre will do so now when Campbell's gas tax goes from 2.5 cents a litre to 5.
Campbell could have a 24/7 tire fire going in his back yard and the enviros would still call him a god for making them pay a couple of cents more for gas. Alleviates their guilt I guess.
But in May all the people scared of the new depression will vote for Campbell and his 7 billion dollar Olympics and his sky-high child poverty rates and his failure to protect children at risk and his sell-off of assets and his tripling of the debt because the media will remind them over and over about the scary NDP and the 300 million they spent in the province on building ferries.
Which of course means the people of BC basically have the same priorities as those that sell kids for sex or shoot elephants for ivory. Hear no evil, see no evil, just keep the money coming in baby.
Rod Smelser
3 years ago
ALL POLITICS ALL THE TIME
The secretariat is one of the reasons B.C. went quickly from being one of Canada's worst climate change offenders to the leading jurisdiction for fighting global warming, Bruce said.
An interesting admission on Bruce's part. Organizational chart measures were the key instrument in moving BC to the front of the climate change pack, in the opinion of the David Suzuki Foundation, and now that those same organizational charts have been changed again, he's worried.
Added Weaver: "I get deeply cynical when I see an opposition party say somehow this is indicative of a lack of interest. A lack of interest would be to start moving away from the policies that [Campbell] put in place."
Cynical? I couldn't have said it better myself. Weaver's most recent political push was to elect his Liberal UVic co-worker Briony Penn to Parliament, an effort that fell short despite the well-orchestrated destruction of Julian West's NDP candidacy by ex-Green politicos. Weaver will now have to concentrate on nuturing his political relationship with Gordon Campbell, and along with Mark Jaccard, accusing Carole James, and John Horgan, and the rest of the NDP opposition of being cynical. I agree that someone is being very cynical, alright.
G West
3 years ago
Actually
The major domo here has a little piece of his own up for viewing (and comments) at the Globe and Mail.
You can find it here if you're interested:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090121.wcocampbell22/BNStory/specialComment/BritishColumbia/
Stump
3 years ago
Backing Off?
Wouldn't one have had to actually move forward?
Talk - Action = Zero, to quote a British Columbia politician with twice the balls.
BC Mary
3 years ago
Arrggghhh!!!!! Not again!
Not another beautiful portrait of our Glorious Leader!
Please, Tyee, enough already!! I can't stand it any longer.
Use photos of kittens, or cow pastures, or a brick wall ... anything ... but stop showing us Mr Real Estate.
Jeez, it's not as if we didn't know ... !
G West
3 years ago
Hmmm?
Do you think there will be any backing off in this department:
http://www.timescolonist.com/Sports/Olympics+bill+tops+billion/1207886/story.html
Maybe the CEO will find a way to sell all the Olympic over-runs as 'green' expenses.....
Why doesn't someone in the media actually ask this guy a few questions and then cut the Premier's mike until he answers them?
dr evil
3 years ago
not surprised
well..in the schools it was all about literacy for awhile but that kind of fizzled and fitness became the thing...trucking in fresh veggies to the schools and meting them out... though it would seemthat could be fading now...but this...the green..whatever..say it ain`t so!
Arnold was saying California would soon be bankrupt...will that mean we have to go bankrupt too? Or are we already?
I heard all the welders walked off the job at the Olympic Village today...see? If they were unionized they probably wouldn`t have wobbled. I heard the Boss contractor hadn`t been paid so he pulled his crews..different hey..a non union wobble.
I`m hoping our Premier will start to get more interested in the National scene..become kind of a unifier..strength through unity- unity through strength..that kind of thing. He was saying at the National Premiers Conference how Canadians should put aside their petty political differences and heft their shoulders to the wheel for the greater good of the country. And hey! What better example than his own province B.C.?
No polarization here...at least none that he`s aware of.
Stay real
Fiat lux
3 years ago
The reason is very
The reason is very simple:
"Wealth can not be created, only taken from other sectors, the environment and the future"
"Costs can not be cut, only taken....etc"
Global warming, or climate change, is one of the transferred costs of automation, wealth creation and cost cuttings.
You can't replace 1/2 hp of human labour with 25 or 100 hp of other forms of energy and call it "efficient" , even if it puts big of profits into the pockets of the Lords of the Universe and politician pimps bucking for strings of directorships.
Campbell was ordered by his bosses to back off, or else....
Ed Deak, Big Lake.
seth
3 years ago
dumbass greens!!
The last Mustel poll showed 16% support for the BC Green Party enough to elect Gordo and his gang of environmently destructive gang of neocon thugs. They must love the Greens's, thinking of them as "useful idiots" who by rolling the dice with their inconsidered vote will once more will relect the Cons.
Federal Election exit polls show that people who thought the environment was most important issue voted overwhelmingly Green thereby ensuring that the government with the worst possible environment program gets to spend a few more years destroying Canada's environment beyond repair. - tar sands, fish farms to name a few. Question comes to mind - are Greens Canada's dumbest voters?
Now moving his focus to the uncoming provincial battle, we have liberal party (oddly both provincial and federal) environmentalist Andrew Weaver, extolling the virtues of the Campbell carbon tax over Carole James' cap and trade. Somehow Campbell's destruction of numerous salmon runs with his fish farms, is OK with partisan Greens like Weaver.
These so-called environmentists, conveniently forget that while we the great unwashed pay almost 100% of the BC carbon tax, it is Campbell's big campaign donators, paying almost none of the tax, that get the enormous taxpayer funded payoffs. Perhaps Weaver might ask Boss Campbell if UNOWHO's Green tax windfall would be better spent on transit improvements instead spending 65% of it on campaign donation kickbacks to Gordo's corporate cronies.
BC Greenies need to weight their sanctimonious bleatings and puerile disagreements with other progressives in the NDP against the certain death of hundreds of Salmon runs and the guaranteed construction of mega bridges and roads. If they were true believers instead of dangerous crybabies, they'd organize themselves buying NDP party memberships, nominating the faithful as candidates and taking over the party as Harper and his religious nuts took over the Conservatives..
A faint hope - their American counterpart Ralph Nader still has no apologies for the death of millions of Iraqi's, he caused by defeating Al Gore in 2000.
quarry bay
3 years ago
Campbell is ready to CRACK!
Gordon Campbell is losing it big time,he is ready to snap.
Carole(preimer)James was on the Bill Good show today at 10.30 am
Gordon Campbell was on the Bill Good show at 11.00 am
Listen to Gordon Campbell on the audio vault
http://cknwam.corusradionetwork.com/emmis/AudioVault.cfm
Carole James was sharp as a Tack
Gordon Campbell was losing it,he mispoke on several occasions and.....
Drum roll please...... Gordon Campbell backtracked on a balanced budget,Campbell will be eating his words,so will Colin Hansen when they reveal the deficit next month/ Don`t believe me,go to the audio vault and CUE up 11.00 am january 23rd(today)for Campbell.
If you want to listen to Carole(premier)James --Cue up 10.00am and fast forward to 10.35 am
North of Hope
3 years ago
greenwashing
Campbell has been mainly greenwashing. If he was truely sincere about global warming, he would have rode an ass to see Arnold in California. With all due respect to the 4-legged variety, there might have been an identity problem.
And again, he could have demonstrated that he was sincere about climate change by not flying in a private jet to the olympics in China. He didn't demonstrating that he doesn't care about the environment, it is just a political ploy. The only thing he has done is institute the gas tax. Yes it is a gas tax, it is not a tax on all carbon products, just fuels like gasoline and natural gas. If it was a carbon tax (on carbon dioxide) it would also be on pop and beer since they both release CO2. I think the various environmental groups should be a little more diligent before they endorse someone.
RiverEyes
3 years ago
Moving the secretariat to the Environment Ministry is more worri
For some of us who have sadly become more cynical after trying to deal with issues that the Mystery of the Environment should address, yes, I guess we are worried and upset about this move by the Secretariat.
Over development impacts to sensitive eco-systems, reportings of pollution, samples dropped off that disappeared, staff members suddenly without warning gone from their position, lack of continuity between these evolving staff members, anything but rigorous response and a deepening mistrust at the effectiveness for the environment that this ministry displays, some of us sneer at the suggestion that moving climate change into this Ministry is going to add vigour to solving problems.
More buck passing to come, I'd say.
The other comment is - why does the public equate economic development (the Great Salve) with the preferred agenda item to put at the top of list? Why are we not getting - really getting - the economic factors that can be jump started to retool the labour force with eco-based business, energy needs, environmental restoration education, methods, technologies to keep the cash flowing?
I can't fathom that people choose status quo over and over again.
And if BC'ers vote for a Campbell-led government in May we'll be in for more political opportunism with Gordie!
PatrickMcEvoyHalston
3 years ago
Seth
Seth, some of us believe that Gore would have done the same thing as Bush. Some of us found how the democratic party turned on the only progressive running--Ralph Nader--truly awful. If people stop supporting the right candidate, in favour of yet another compromised candidate, some of us will lose hope in the country, in one another.
Cynic
3 years ago
As a Cynic, I naturally
As a Cynic, I naturally include skepticism in my portfolio of annoying attributes. So I enjoyed reading Pilon's comments. When listening to elite shill's like Campbell, cynicism is a far safer starting point than that braindead "don't worry, be happy" attitude that some people cultivate (bless their souls). When it comes to the government, always be very suspicious, especially when you see a bandwagon.
sunshine coast girl
3 years ago
Gordon's attention span has shifted
to somewhere else? What a surprise. This guy has been jumping all over the place about everything the past few years. I seriously think he has attention deficit disorder.
lynn
3 years ago
It ain't easy being a green fashionista
The total substance behind Gordon Campbell's environmental policies: One green tie.
chasalex
3 years ago
book on sustainable economics
I was interested to find the Tyee blog. 20 years ago I had a book published on different economic concepts to point the way to a sustainable world economy. Someone who liked the book contacted me this year to suggest that I update and re-publish it as a blog. She set up the blog, and the book is now complete on the blog in a series of postings. There are now also additional pieces on global warming and other subjects. Here is the link:
http://www.economicsforaroundearth.com
With all good wishes,
Charles Pierce
Gary
3 years ago
Lame Duck
I think this pretty much puts Campbell at 100% of doing nothing for this province.
Sunshine coast girl suggested that Gordos attention span had shifted. I have always maintained that he has the attention span of a dart.
There has been so much back peddling and secrecy in this government that it is a pure wonder that they might know what they are doing.
DPL
3 years ago
Just another Campbell vision
Just another Campbell vision fade. About a year ago he was telling us that all our residences would have smart meters so we could watch us saving energy. Any one get thier meter from King Gordo yet?
Stump
3 years ago
ADD
Dr. Gabor Maté makes a pretty strong case in his book "In the Realm of the Hungry Ghosts" for a link between ADD and addiction. There is certainly a number of other books that posit a strong correlation between the two as well.
Jeffrey J.
3 years ago
Fiddling While Rome Burns
The skepticism about Campbell's embrace of "green" policies has been universal: no-one believed him. His sudden interest in the environment appeared artificial and staged. It wasn't his policies, it was his depth and commitment that I questioned. And lo and behold, we were right. No real surprise.
Now, while the planet slowly heats up, Campbell is off on yet another tangent. The NDP correctly identified the Campbell "green shift" as purely cynical and more importantly, not comprehensive. It turns out they were dead right.
If every Provincial and State government walks away from fixing global warming, we are in serious, serious trouble.
Great coverage as usual, Tyee!
Wilfred Laurier
3 years ago
Fact Check
"Campbell and his 7 billion dollar Olympics"
The Olympic bid was initiated by the Glen Clark government. That said, the highest figure I have see for its cost is $6bn. Take out the assets that will remain that the cost is $2bn.
This article is nothing buy supposition. There is no basis in fact contained in the text. It is singing to the choir.
Besides, the present provincial government could give free milk for babies and the Tyee would put a negative spin on it.
Gordon Campbell will win the election on May 12. He is a brilliant politician. He knows how to win elections which is something the NDP really needs to learn.
But they won't learn it. They will stick the the single issue of "Gordon Campbell is Lucifer" and will work as well as the last two times.
ME2
3 years ago
Jeffrey J
Don't worry, Jeffrey, for the last ten years, the climate's been getting colder, year by year. However, Garth assures us that the Warmists predicted this would happen, so be comforted in knowing that it will probably not be more than 15 - 20,000 years before it "fluctuates" once more and starts Global Warming all over again :-)
Bobby Peru
3 years ago
Stop the Climate Insanity
Great to hear this climate jihad has been de-prioritized in light of our current economic problems. The Greenies are trying to push an agenda that is poorly researched and politically driven upon working BC families. Come on, even if all of mankind implements all of the greenie policies the temperature won't change much. It won't make a difference. Scaremongering is really their only tactic.
And carbon credit trading does nothing to really reduce emissions or carbon (assuming that carbon is the problem). It will become a big money making machine for banks and crooks who make up imaginary markets and fantasy solutions- all monetized into profits.
Instead of wasting tax dollars and other resources on global warming, we should spend money on other problems that threaten mankind now. Time for the environmentalists to return to protecting baby seals and killer whales.
G West
3 years ago
ME2
Thanks for the misrepresentation - I appreciate it.
Because, at bottom, when you and others target me instead of actually confronting the scientific consensus I think it shows how facile and unscientific your approach actually is.
My own approach, not being a climate scientist myself, has always been to operate according to the precautionary principle.
As you well know.
Stump
3 years ago
Get yr epithets in order please
Are we Greenies or Warmies? I don't know whether the uniform that will be forced on everyone at the re-education and bicycle riding training camps should be made of khaki or wool. Please advise.
Bobby Peru
3 years ago
Tyee Propaganda
Yes, Wilfred Laurier is dead on about Tyee and its pre-election, propaganda campaign against the Liberals and Gordon Campbell. While claiming to be 'progressive' Tyee and its adherents savagely attack anyone who questions their so called liberal views. And this feature is additional proof at how Tyee and the BC left are so out of touch with the average, BC working family and voters.
If Gordon Campbell announced a cure for AIDS I'm sure the left and the Tyee would claim that it's a plot by the oil companies. Every attack on this site sounds the same: Gordon Campbell is the Great Satan and the Liberals have trashed BC.
Your average voter can see that the Liberals are reasonably decent stewards of the economy. At least they are probably better than taking a risk now with the NDP. BC'ers are wary of inflicting the same fit of stupidity that Ontario citizens did with their silly NDP venture. Or the memories of a tyrannical and incompetent Glenn Clark are still fresh.
Yet, the NDP insists on bashing voters with their enviro and social justice, special interest group messages that simply insult working people. It's pointless to deliver unsustainable social programmes that drive out business and weaken the economy.
Really, no one except NDP'ers and environmentalists will be charged up by this feature. Your avg BC voter wants to know what's being done to create jobs. The environment is a secondary issue. Your avg BC worker can see that environmentalists like David Suzuki are supreme hypocrites. Suzuki lives in wealthy Point Grey due to all the money he makes appearing on TV preaching policies that if implemented would cost many jobs- but not his job. And he has enough money to send his daughter to Yale University- alongside some of the sons and daughters of the richest CEOs in America. And Yale is funded by the same big business and big oil that Suzuki demonizes.
So let's sensibly choose to drop the expensive and wholesale changes that won't make a different to global warming and use all that money and energy to solve immediate social problems- like the homeless, which is real and identifiable.
quarry bay
3 years ago
Campbell the sloganeer
Gordon Campbell said about climate change " This is the battle of our generation,this is the most important issue facing mankind,we must do it for our children and grandchildren,I couldn`t sleep at night knowing I didn`t do everything I could to save the planet"
What other slogans/shiny baubbles have occupied gordon Campbells mind?
I am thinking about all of the un-fullfilled throne speeches.
The year of the senior,hmmm, we are still waiting for 3500 of the 5000 long term care beds promised in 2001--The ombudsman office has been flooded with complaints of seniors care--The link to follow.
The year of the child(whatever that means) 6 straight years leading north america in child poverty 23%--That is more than 1 in 5
Healthy living--The ALR is disappearing to developers.
The best educated jurisdiction--177 schools closed
The most honest transparent goverment in Canada`s history/Auditors generals ignored/foi requests,ignored,
OPEN cabinet meeting?-Fixed legislative sessions?
"I won`t sell BC Rail/ I won`t tear up the HEU contract"
A premier who endangered people`s lives by racing through Maui while drunk,to drunk to even walk/Gag laws/
Wilf,you state that the NDP need to learn how to lie,cheat,steal,sell off the province,have the blood of children,seniors,injured workers,homeless,on your hands to win an election,not to mention closing down hundreds of jails in BC and downloading criminals(including politicians) on to the un-suspecting public,glad you clarified your position.
We Definatly need to work on the "educating the people of BC"
Seems we should concentrate on educating SOME of the adult populous of this province!
Frank
3 years ago
Wilf and Bobby
Yes yes, we know, Campbell is brilliant, a messiah. The NDP are evil and torture kittens.
Have you both reserved your seats already at Liberal headquarters for the big victory party in May?
Of course you have because in your world there is no child poverty, there are no mill closures, there is no Olympic boondoggle etc.
Bonne chance.
Skywalker
3 years ago
Wilf Laurier and Bobbt Peru, stop your whining.
One reason I and other check the Tyee is that we get news and commentary here that you can't get in the southern media. You can get the same old CanWest spin from people like you so it saves having to pick up a copy of one of the local rags as well.
Look back to earlier posts. Most of us said that it was a scam. Gordon was as serious about climate change as he was and still is about the poor. There is no surprise that he has gone on to other photo ops.
Frank
3 years ago
Whining indeed
Number of times Wilf or Bobby have said anything positive about the NDP in their many years at the Tyee? Zero.
A point of view they share with Can-West.
quarry bay
3 years ago
Canwest abandons Gordon Campbell?
You should all read this piece by Bill Tieleman,pay special attention to the comments from A G T
The tide has turned boys and girls
Here is the link,
http://billtieleman.blogspot.com/2009/01/canwest-publishing-internal-memo.html
Stump
3 years ago
don't get off message
"At least they are probably better than taking a risk now with the NDP."
No, no, no. It's "this is no time to rock the boat by changing government." Didn't you get the memo?
Did you want to go with green cotton or sustainable wool for your re-education togs Bob? I have to get the order in before the election because it takes so long for our collective to reach consensus on who will harvest, spin, and weave the thread, and who is going to indoctrinate your children. You don't even want to know the time lag for transporting goods via trains fueled by our sense of smugness (to steal from The Simpsons).
Average working class families indeed. Who do you think you're talking to? I'm an average working class schmuck and I see right through the talking points and misinformation.
quarry bay
3 years ago
The geatest place on earth
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Provincial+goverment+takes+over+pulp+mill+prevent+toxic+disaster/1212261/story.html
Who approved the sale to this clown,can you say Skeena celluose?
quarry bay
3 years ago
Pope and Talbot.....
Pope and Talbot after being given thousands of hecters of land out of the last BC TREE FOREST LICENSE by Gordon Campbell and Rich Coleman ,then Pope and Talbot closes down their mill to become land developers.
Then they GIVE AWAY the mill to the land developer hero known as Dan White,here are a few details on Dan White
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/White_Dan_436150216.aspx
sirjohna
3 years ago
wouldn't changing priorities
wouldn't changing priorities be the responsible thing to do considering the downturn in the economy. i can guarantee that the tyee would say so if the socialists were in power.
Stump
3 years ago
the priorities are sound
the priorities are sound (on the face of it... if we are talking about sustainability). Changing from lip service to silence is the sticking point. The downturn proves how barren the womb of global capitalism really is. I vote we seed that ole bitch Mammon with something that packs a bit more punch.
Rod Smelser
3 years ago
BOBBY PERU: WHOSE SIDE IS SUZUKI ON???
Bobby Peru
Yet, the NDP insists on bashing voters with their enviro and social justice, special interest group messages that simply insult working people. It's pointless to deliver unsustainable social programmes that drive out business and weaken the economy.
Really, no one except NDP'ers and environmentalists will be charged up by this feature. Your avg BC voter wants to know what's being done to create jobs. The environment is a secondary issue. Your avg BC worker can see that environmentalists like David Suzuki are supreme hypocrites. Suzuki lives in wealthy Point Grey due to all the money he makes appearing on TV preaching policies that if implemented would cost many jobs- but not his job. And he has enough money to send his daughter to Yale University- alongside some of the sons and daughters of the richest CEOs in America. And Yale is funded by the same big business and big oil that Suzuki demonizes.
Bobby, the first of these paragraphs is just standard BC Liberal-Public Affairs Bureau boilerplate. Why bother with it? I am wondering what the "unsustainable social programs" are that you mention? Would that be a reference to the NDP's desire to increase welfare rates? Or the NDP's desire to maintain public delivery of medicare?
The second paragraph may have been standard BC Liberal boilerplate two years ago, but it must have been a while since you checked in with the Public Affairs team, because as of about this time last year, it's way off-side. David Suzuki is now supporting Gordon Campbell, and explicity denouncing Carole James, right alongside Mark Jaccard. So why are you dissing him?
You make a good point about Suzuki's upper income address and about big business funding Yale where his daughter goes to school. What I would like to know is, who funds his own foundation?
Stump
3 years ago
The Hate-On for Success
"You make a good point about Suzuki's upper income address and about big business funding Yale where his daughter goes to school"
Let me get this straight. An environmentalist who lives by his creed as much as most and does so with some measure of financial success is a target for criticism?
I thought you guys want to reward brains and initiative? Based on these statements you're embodying the absolute worst aspects of socialism/communism. You want to drag everyone down. You can't fathom the fact there's money to be made in sustainable enterprises. In short, you're standing in the way of progress and economic development. For shame.
Not just you Rod, but un-Realisticman, Bob Peru, Wilfred Laurier... it's a long list actually.
sunshine coast girl
3 years ago
changing priorities is fine
SirJohna. What I find incredibly funny is how quickly the capitalists come hat in hand to government as soon as they start hurting a little.
Watch the chorus get louder each day. Suddenly, socialism isn't such a dirty word. At least, as long as you don't call it that. Jeez, at least be honest.
brewster789
3 years ago
Our glorious leader
has once again lost interest in the topic of the day. Surprise, surprise, surprise!
rac
3 years ago
People Want Solutions
The revenue neutral tax was a bad idea. What people really want is solutions like improved public transit so they are not forced to drive and pay the tax. They should have instead devoted the revenue from the tax to fund public transit and other solutions.
More at:
http://everyoneforever.org/blogger/2008/12/provide-solutions-and-avoid-gas-tax.html
realisticman
3 years ago
Delegating
I thought that when Gordon Campbell was running everything from within his own office this was judged to be because he was a control freak.
Now he's maintained the position on the environment and moved the control out of his office this should be commended, right?
The Climate Action Secretariat is leaving the premier's office and its head, Graham Whitmarsh, is going to the Finance Ministry where he will become deputy minister.
This is clearly an elevation of the importance of this file, notwithstanding the fears expressed, occasionally, here.
G West
3 years ago
Oh not at all
As it was in the beginning, it is now and ever shall be.
In the immortal words of Martyn Brown - ministers are not to assume any responsibility for choosing their deputies - those selections will be made by the Premier through the Premier's office....CEO government and centralized control continue apace.
The suggestion that a former British submariner will follow orders explicitly should be obvious....perhaps he can write Hansen's recanation speech for him.
Now that the current deficit is adding to the out of control provincial debt, someone skilled in stealth and silent running may well be useful....but then of course there are those 4 British lemons in the Canadian Navy - I wonder if Mr Whitmarsh ever crewed on one of those?
G West
3 years ago
Concern for the environment....NOT
Premier Gordon Campbell says it makes no sense for an environmental review to satisfy Provincial regulations only to be repeated to satisfy Federal rules. “One country, one review” says the Premier.
Federal Minister of State (Sport) Gary Lunn echoes the belief the process must be shortened “We need to get down to a single process, I am not talking about compromising the process, in fact I think that with a single review it would see increased focus. A single review is crucial especially in a province such as B.C. with so many natural resources.
Premier Gordon Campbell says there is likely to be real action on the streamlining of the review process now ...
[source] http://www.opinion250.com/blog/view/11871/1/streamlining+review+process+key+to+job+creation
Combine this with anticipated Federal changes and even the dullest reader will understand what's going on:
"The new rules would exempt from environmental assessment: any Building Canada infrastructure projects under $10 million regardless of the environmental or health risk; any project on federal lands or using federal dollars; and, any project that a provincial government asks to be exempted." [source]- http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Environment/2009/01/22/Leakedmemo/
Believing ANYTHING these birds say is ridiculous....WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Bobby Peru
3 years ago
Bad Cop, worse cop
Rod Smeiser: Point taken, I should have checked with the govt's PR office to note Suzuki's latest political position. The reason I savage Suzuki is the obvious hypocrisy and the very establishment he represents. He supposes that we can afford to save the trees at any cost and his little regard for the loss of jobs or degradation in the standard of living as a result of his policies. Here's a guy who has made a great living off the public trough broadcasting his message. I'd like to see him try to buy a house in Pt. Grey and send his daughter to Yale with private sector job in Vancouver.
If his business is environmentalism and he represents that establishment then he is open to scrutiny and attack. Since the Tyee claims it offers alternative views, it should entertain this. Ironically, environmentalism has become as corrupt as the big business it attacks- driven by political and economic agendas. Indeed, global warming came along just in time as a new product for them to peddle to the public.
No one is pure, but I'm gonna savage Suzuki like he runs an oil company if he lives in the same neighbourhood with other rich executives. And sending his daughter to Yale? The very companies Suzuki attacks for raping the environment are Yale's biggest contributors.
No, I don't love Campbell. He comes across as cold. Of course I know he's almost an autocrat and not easy to work with. But then, most powerful people are because a powerful public position only magnifies your human faults. BC voters don't warm up to him as a person. But, making the NDP the next govt under these uncertain times is not just a change, but an outright crazy and baseless gamble with no apparent upside. Carole James is at best a school administrator and is not qualified to run a provincial economy that's part of a global one.
Or at least the NDP can't successfully convey that message to voters. Merely saying that Gordon Campbell is evil and unlikeable is not enough- after all he doesn't live in your house. Making the environment the top issue is a dead end with most voters.
If I have a bias against the NDP, I had to suffer through the 90s with that fool, Glenn Clark. Many of my friends had to leave BC just to find a decent job. The NDP suffers from a richly deserved bad rap and they haven't learned their lesson.
Stump
3 years ago
rich and green
How much money is an enviro-terrorist allowed to make Bob? Where are our permitted neighbourhoods?
Also, what's your hat size? I'll want to make sure your Mao cap/bike helmet doesn't fit too tight when you're forced to attend my Northern Gulag for eco-education and pedal cadence testing.
sunshine coast girl
3 years ago
Bobby Peru..
Apparently Campbell and his Liberals are not qualified to run a provincial economy that's part of a global one either. At least it seems to me that the rooster is coming home to roost. Anyone can do well in a booming economy (well, Campbell didn't do so well there either, unless you count selling everything off). It's gonna be a rough ride.
ME2
3 years ago
GWest
You’re good at dissimulation, Garth, so let’s have a close look at your statement below, intended to counter my making fun of your too convenient explanation for the last ten years of ever-colder weather. :
"…….when you and others target me instead of actually confronting the scientific consensus I think it shows how facile and unscientific your approach actually is"
Which prompted me to research “scientific consensus”, the definition for which Wiki gives as :
"Scientific consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity. Scientific consensus is not by itself a scientific argument, and it is not part of the scientific method. Nevertheless, consensus may be based on both scientific arguments and the scientific method."
And here is a more user-friendly definition of “Consensus”(as we use it, from Wiki), which illustrates the fatal flaw in the Warmist’s argument..
"Achieving consensus requires serious treatment of every group member's considered opinion. Once a decision is made it is important to trust in members' discretion in follow-up action. In the ideal case, those who wish to take up some action want to hear those who oppose it, because they count on the fact that the ensuing debate will improve the consensus. In theory, action without resolution of considered opposition will be rare and done with attention to minimize damage to relationships”
AGW, particularly as being induced by CO2, remains merely an hypothesis, and has yet to acquire the status of a legitimate theory. The problems with it lie in its as yet intractability to the Scientific method (first definition) and lack of a genuine and honourable consensus (second definition). In fact, it many oppose the AGW scheming solely because of the lack of any credible overview.
In a post on another Tyee thread, you sloughed off the requirement for an authentic consensus agreement, with the following words :
"Seriously, please, provide a list of 'credible' scientists who question the fundamentals of the vast majority of the science on global warming…..I've looked - in my view there aren't any"
So in one grand God-like sweep of your hand, you've discounted the views of 1600 signatories to an anti-AGW petition to the US gov’t which Mopled posted here some months ago {of which you are FULLY aware). Clearly, it didn’t matter to you that the majority of them were PhDs in climate-related fields, with many actually practicing in the field of climatology. Hopefully, Obama will employ science-driven, not politics-driven, decision-making in this issue.
Just because the greenies have a hate on for Big Oil, it would be a travesty to see millions – maybe trillions – blown on punitive taxation and phoney "cap and trade" schemes..
zalm
3 years ago
Not to get too far off track...
....but Quarry Bay is right - that memo to staff of Canwest is hilarious! The Faux News of the north - nothing but the Fiberal party line! - can't seem to make a go of the print business without massive subsidies from the development industry. And now that the subsidies are gone, along with all the bright-shiny prospects for a "golden decade" that would endure no matter what happened in the rest of the world, the horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoe-making and fetched up in journalism on the way to the poorhouse seem to be back on a roll to the bottom of the barrel.
This what you mean by a "private sector job" Bobby? Or something more along the lines of Research Associate for the Fraser Institution?
The best line of Tieleman's blog was - once again - by Anonymous:
"I jusr hope cutbacks at Canwest do not in any way compromise the quality of their coverage of the Basi Trial."
Incidentally, QB, check your clocks - mine's stopped. Tsakumis was right. That's twice in one year.
DJT
3 years ago
Brilliant? ROFL!!!!
Gordon Campbell is a brilliant politician? Gee, Wilf, I almost fell off my chair laughing. Campbell is nowhere close to being brilliant. In fact, he is as "see through" and predictable as they come. Unfortunately, the problem is that most voters aren't particularly brilliant either. That, or they're too busy and tired trying to get from pay to pay (unless of course they're friends of the liberals [read financial donors]). It also helps that most people are not particularly discerning and only get their information from the Sun and the Province, papers that are so blatanly biased in favor of the Liberals that it makes any "bias" on the part of The Tyee in favor of the NDP look absolutely Micky Mouse. You crack me up.
G West
3 years ago
ME2
I haven't dismissed anything.
Please re-read what I posted. And, by the way, I don't actually think much of wikipedia either.
The only one acting God like is Gordon, I wonder if you saw him dolled up in a gorgeous crimson Chinese jacket on TV - hands clasped prayerfully as he wished his 'Chinese' brothers and sisters 'Gung Hay Fat Choy'.
realisticman
3 years ago
"I haven't dismissed anything."
There go my laugh muscles again. How can you dismiss Wikipedia when it comes to definitions of terminology, which is what ME2 used it for? Not exactly in need of citations in that context. Anyway, Wikipedia has over 12 million articles now, so anyone who thinks that it's all irrelevant is escalating towards becoming dinosaurian.
G West
3 years ago
No mention of citations r/man
Perhaps you should 'read' what I wrote again:
I get my definitions from a reliable source - a dictionary. Not one that can be edited, re-edited and altered by any tom dick or harry. And has been....to advance particular points of view.
Furthermore, I didn't 'dismiss' anything. That would be stupid. Wikipedia 'exists' - I simply expressed that I don't think much of it.
Did you notice this?
Apparently not.
Perhaps your reading and/or comprehension skills are slipping my friend.
quarry bay
3 years ago
Canwest keeps the heat on Campbell?
Zalm, A G T certainly shocked me with his accurate reflection of the Sun`s lack of talent,perhaps his job application to join the "big league" was rejected, anyways,I enjoyed his comment.
The Vancouver Sun has done a major Campbell bash piece on the "con" of P3s, again the best part of the story is the very insightful comments at the end of the story. Grant G and DMJ are correct.I couldn`t have said it better! Here is the link
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Projects+immune+world+financial+meltdown/1211646/story.html
Rod Smelser
3 years ago
Bobby Peru: PUT THE BLAME FOR THE 90s WHERE IT BELONGS
Bobby Peru
Here's a guy who has made a great living off the public trough broadcasting his message. I'd like to see him try to buy a house in Pt. Grey and send his daughter to Yale with private sector job in Vancouver.
Most of the well-to-do in Pt Grey and West Van earn their incomes from the private sector, a few, like Suzuki and people such as Prof Bill Rees, represent the very top end of the public sector income earners.
If his business is environmentalism and he represents that establishment then he is open to scrutiny and attack. Since the Tyee claims it offers alternative views, ...
True. It's time people learned that when "environmentalism" means fancy offices and $6 million dollar budgets, of which $1 million goes to more fundraising, that this is now an interest group with ambitions and needs of its own. Its criticism of the infinitely larger empires of big business may still be valid, but their linkages and motivations bear watching.
But, making the NDP the next govt under these uncertain times is not just a change, but an outright crazy and baseless gamble with no apparent upside. Carole James is at best a school administrator and is not qualified to run a provincial economy that's part of a global one.
According to Mustel, the public agrees with you. Just as we saw in last year's federal election, economic uncertainty drives frightened Canadian voters towards the most conservative party available, be it Harper or Campbell. Curiously, it's the exact opposite of what happened in the US, where Obama's win was secured by the financial meltdown. Canadians really do react differently and more conservatively to similar economic circumstances, and our standard of living remains well behind US levels as a result.
Carole James may not have a degree in economics or business, but neither did Gordon Campbell or Carole Taylor. What they do have is business connections on their speed dials, the business stamp of approval.
Or at least the NDP can't successfully convey that message to voters. ...
This is closer to the truth. It's another marketing/spin problem, not a reality.
If I have a bias against the NDP, I had to suffer through the 90s with that fool, Glenn Clark. Many of my friends had to leave BC just to find a decent job. The NDP suffers from a richly deserved bad rap and they haven't learned their lesson.
The BC economy did great under the NDP for the first few years as housing starts roared ahead to a record 43,000 that has never been equalled under Campbell. But then prices got too high (sound familiar), and the spec building market turned down. Then came the Asian meltdown. Where BC avoided the US-centred recession of the early 1990s, while Ontario took it full-on. In the later 1990s the situation was reversed, with BC taking the Asian meltdown full-blast while Ontario hardly noticed it.
Fiat lux
3 years ago
Of course, as all good
Of course, as all good conservatives know, it was Glen Clark who engineered the Asian flu, or meltdown, to deprive British Columbians of good jobs. You just can't trust them there godless socialists who now engineered the present so called financial crisis.
That's why Jimmy Pattison hired Clark. He could trust him to screw up things, so he can have some tax write offs.
Ed Deak.
BC Mary
3 years ago
Good one, Ed.
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Gotta laugh.
When the 2010 Olympics are mentioned -- and it started only recently -- in dark tones of impending financial doom, cue the Greek chorus telling us -- only recently -- that the 2010 Olympics are Glen Clark's doing. His fault. He bad. He made the BC Liberals do it.
Odd, that.
Because we heard no mention of Glen Clark during the heady days of the Golden Era, about BC the Best Place to Live, and about how the 2010 Olympics would bedazzle the world with British Columbia's greatness.
Talk about climate change!
ME2
3 years ago
double-talk
Few, (with the exception of FNs) are better at rewriting history than our resident neocons, Mr Peru being a master of the art.
But then, he might be excused for following the example of one of his political gurus, Preston Manning, whom I heard briefly interviewed on CBC Radio the other day.
Asked about Harper's venture into deficit financing - a Reform no-no, Mr Manning allowed that this was indeed a Keynsian strategy, and that it was indeed OK if after the strategy succeeded, gov't should stop spending and start saving - but it shouldn't do so by raising taxes.
Well, as I recall, Reformers have always portrayed Keynes as the Devil Incarnate, and Trudeau, who employed the Keynesian technique of "priming the pump" in the 70's, as his disciple.
And so, just as gov'ts succeeding Trudeau failed to tax back the spent money, which is the second half of the Keynesian strategy, Manning expects Harper or whoever follows him, to "save" by cutting gov't even more, even after the draconian cuts he will be sure to be happy to have this "recession" as an excuse to perform.
Fiat lux
3 years ago
Yes, cutting government even
Yes, cutting government even more, while giving more powers to the corporate mafia to steal the country blind.
Why is it that people are always screaming against taxes, urged on by the mindbenders of the lords, but nobody ever dares to question the obscene profits and salaries of the executives, all coming out of our, the taxpayers' pockets as another form of taxation, but without any accountability or representation ?
The power of brainwash for generations.
Ed Deak.
pmagn@yahoo.com
3 years ago
missing point
We are missing the point and the boat on the opportunity that the down turn is presenting.
It is disappointing to see that our leaders are not getting it - look at all the money they have committed to try and kick start the old consumer base paradigm that got us in to this dilemma and which is relentlessly driving our CO2 upwards.(Climate change envoy calls for state aid to create low-carbon economy http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/25/climate-change-summit-global-international)
You can see how it happens, with the mad panic that has engulfed us all as we stare over the cliff at the gaping depression sucking us in.
This year is it!
If we don't switch our bail out packages and infrastructure spending towards obtaining the target for 100% CO2 reduction. then we are hosed for sure. There won't be a second chance. We will have wasted the money, the political effort and the time (the oh so precious time) correcting the more urgent at the expense of the most essential.(Climate change in 2009: the defining issue http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/email/climate-change-in-2009-the-defining-issue)
We won't make it below 3degrees then! And that means we are looking at +5degrees eventually. (I think we are probably past the tipping point at this time, but lets not go there until we have to)
It must be fate that Obama arrived at this moment. If he is able to realize that this is the most crucial point in the history of mankind and is able to engage the international effort needed, then there is hope.
God bless America.
morechatter
3 years ago
Poor Mr. Campbell?
As Bobby Peru would have us believe but the environment was never the deal it was the carbon tax Campbell needed more cash no matter how it would effect many struggling families. Because you can't have it both ways one minute signing agreements giving industry the license to pollute while the next getting the poor to reduce carbon emissions.
Like Campbell and BC Hydro and their Power Smart Program for the poor as 17 million given to Hydro to distribute to families so they can benefit from $10 to $40 dollars saving for the year as government gives $2500 to hydro to help each struggling family. The kits worth about $60 and hydro says the remaining thousands will help them read the saving as they jump in their little carbon fuming trucks. Did you know Black and Decker sells a trinket that counts the usage at the cost of about $29 which would greatly reduce the thousands hydro plans on spending on driving around reading electric usage for each household for the tune of about $2400.
http://www2.news.gov.bc.ca/news_releases_2005-2009/2008EMPR0065-001783.htm
morechatter
3 years ago
Many poor families go without heat?
Not hard to count those carbon emissions is it? And it was $2000 dollars allotted to each struggling household leaving hydro with about $1950 which could help each family elevate their misery. So why the kit? I don't know for sure but its promotional, gives hydro money for nothing and the poor well they were just given $17 million to help the environment on their behalf. Its the name of the game its not what it is its what Government can make it look like while lining their pockets with public funds.
G West
3 years ago
morechatter
Why not call up an energy analyst and have them come round to your house? He'll take some photos, measure your windows and put a fan in your door for a few minutes Then if you change your windows and doors they'll come back and do it all over again....and, if the readings add up to x - some number you'll get, oh, $60 bucks back on every window you bought....after paying the energy analyst $150. (he gets another $150 and expenses from the government/Hydro). Huge pretend program and total waste of resources - not to mention the fact they're measuring air-tightness, not R value...
You're aboslutely right, it's a total farce and any consumer doing it is wasting their time and their money. Buy new windows from a reputable supplier; install them properly and negotiate the best price you can without any of the government's phoney programs.
You'll end up with money to spare and won't have wasted any time. For you or the window dealers....
Meanwhile, the government won't have wasted any public funds on a stupid program that will do less than nothing about greenhouse gases and the 'energy analysts' can go and get a real job with the window installers.
Pathetic.
Not to mention the millions wasted on card stock, four colour lithography and sales pitches....and, as you say, the poor people who can't afford to heat their homes....