Behind the 'Green' Screen
Despite premier's emissions progress, BC nature is under attack.
Rivers for private power?
We are faced with a threat few of us have considered. We've been distracted, and deliberately, by governments, most particularly by the Campbell government, into ignoring the real environmental issues that face us.
No one, least of all me, would deny the problems of greenhouse gases which, for everywhere but Vancouver it seems, are accompanied by global warming. But this has become, so to speak, a smokescreen behind which massive rape of our environment is not only permitted but encouraged.
Throughout this province we see a massive environmental degradation started and cheered on by the Campbell government.
It's called, with Orwellian Newspeak, "run of the rivers."
Heedless of precautions
The precautionary principle sensibly says before you mess with the environment, the onus is upon you to show you will do no harm. That's been turned on its head.
Fish farmers don't have to demonstrate that they can operate safely. Courageous people like salmon researcher Alexandra Morton must risk prison and slander from both governments as she demonstrates the obvious harm being done.
Citizens in Tsawwassen must prove that transmission wires, which cause radios to scream with static and literally make hair stand up, might be dangerous.
Lovers of Burns Bog and nearby wildlife preserves must prove that the new adjacent highway will be harmful by hugely increasing and making more proximate traffic.
And lovers of the environment must demonstrate that private power plants, reducing river flows by 95 per cent in some cases, will hurt fish both resident and migratory. They must also demonstrate that dirt roads into streams will hurt wildlife and that clear cutting huge swaths of trees to permit transmission lines is bad for wildernesses. They must demonstrate that when you destroy a river you destroy its valley and all the flora and fauna that depend upon it.
What is notable about these massive environmental intrusions is that there have been no meaningful consultations before the decisions have been taken.
Public protest after public protest is occurring with the notable absence of Liberal MLAs and ministers. People must, apparently, accept that powerhouses, roads, tunnels many kilometres long and clear cutting for power lines are an improvement on nature.
The need is unproven
If one is to justify changing the environment, two things must be done.
First it must be shown that there is a compelling public need for it.
And second it must be done in a manner so as to do as little harm as possible.
The so-called "run of rivers" policy has no redeeming features whatever.
To begin with, the government has not established any need now or in the foreseeable future for drastic action to produce power. In keeping with this government's economical use of the truth, we're told that it's either a new mega dam on the Peace River at what's called Site C, or "run of the rivers" development. This is an old debating trick called the false dichotomy. That is not the issue for there's no need for Site C or a new era of "run of rivers" private power development. If you care to see the reality, have a look at John Calvert's book Liquid Gold or Google Dr. Marvin Schaffer for a number of excellent presentations.
These proposed run of river projects are environmental catastrophes and I invite you to go to www.saveourrivers.ca and look at the video Powerplay and others by Damien Gillis to see what they really look like.
The Campbell government constantly denies that hundreds of rivers and streams are at risk. It tells those who oppose the premier's plans that we are wrong when we say that "applications" are "licenses." In fact they are de facto licenses for this very simple reason. Once the application for a run of river operation is filed, all the applicant must then do is undergo an environmental assessment process -- which is a sham. The Environment Ministry has no power to stop any project and can only recommend "mitigation" -- the worst of many weasel words in "governmentese." Moreover, if the project is for less than 50 megawatts, no environmental process is required at all!
Power to the USA!
Let me just conclude on one point that has not been emphasized and must be.
Once our power is no longer created and sold by a vertically integrated public power company, BC Hydro, we become subject to the "proportionality" clause of NAFTA, which, simply put, says that if we wish to reduce our power exports to the United States, we must reduce our own use by the same amount. If we find in B.C. that because of low water or any number or reasons we need to reduce exports and use the power for our own needs, we cannot do it.
But here's the worst part. Once we start damming, weiring or tunneling our rivers, and providing private power to the United States, we change who profits.
We take the money that BC Hydro now earns and puts into the provincial treasury for hospitals, schools and the like and we give it instead to shareholders in companies like Ledcor and Westinghouse.
That's right, folks, we take our environment, our power, and our money and send it to shareholders (mostly American) in large international corporations! But it gets even worse than that. For once we start, how do we stop? We will have American governments declining to risk their own environments for power. Why should they when B.C. is delighted to bugger up its rivers for them?
Hydro down the drain?
Forgive me for spoiling your digestion with this final thought to chew on. BC Hydro, the jewel of our Crown corporations, is living, barely, under a death sentence that is being executed in three stages.
Stage one was selling the bureaucracy to Accenture, the bastard child of Arthur Anderson Consulting of the Enron scandal.
Stage two was stripping BC Hydro of its transmission lines and placing them in a different Crown crporation, British Columbia Transmission Corporation (BCTC), the very same outfit caught spying on the citizens of Tsawwassen.
Stage three sees Hydro left with its dams and Burrard Thermal and a $7 billion debt they will no longer have the money to service.
If Campbell wins the next election, BCTC will be privatized, BC Hydro will default on its bonds and the premier known so well for crocodile tear TV presentations will sadly tell us that since the province had guaranteed Hydro's bonds and must pay them, well golly gee whiz, while we sure didn't want to do it, we must sell BC Hydro's assets to the highest acceptable bidder.
Looking for an election issue?
The Independent Power Projects (IPPS) called "run of the river," are a ghastly mistake however you look at them. They will destroy the province's streams, rivers and the ecology of their valleys. The destruction will be permanent. The private power companies will be rich beyond description. We will lose the revenue from Hydro and Hydro along with it, leaving us with but one more giveaway left -- sell the water to the U.S. as well. After all, if the fish are all gone, why not?
All this because Gordon Campbell believes that all public enterprise is evil and that all private enterprise right. He clearly believes that having the best power policy in North America, the envy of all, must be sacrificed to the barren ideology of Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Milton Friedman, the Fraser Institute and George W. Bush.
And the polls tell us he will do this with our blessing.
Whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad -- or terminally naïve.
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Skywalker
3 years ago
Excellent Rafe!
I just wonder how much longer we have to put up with the arrogance of this government. I'm reminded of all those consultation groups that were so abundant they became a liability for the NDP in the 90's. At least there were forums that one could be heard and politicians on both sides attended.
Luke Skywalker
3 years ago
I Dunno...
That sounds a little Machiavellian to me.
BC Hydro's credit rating is "AA" by Standard & Poors and is also guaranteed by the Province of British Columbia.
http://www.powerex.com/trading/credit.htm
Any default by BC Hydro on its issued bonds would result in enormous negative financial consequences upon BC's own "AAA" rating.
Not only extremely doubtful... but Machiavellian.
Grumpy
3 years ago
Black as...........
Gordon Campbell 'green'? No, he is as 'black' and dirty as lignite coal. He cares little for the environment; he cares little for nature. A former land developer, all the Campbell can see is build more and more and more, and watch his cronies grow rich while the province dies.
If coastal salmon become extinct, a good chance with the massively polluting fish-farms, kiss wildlife good-bye, kiss BC's ecology good bye. Our forests will become silent as wildlife has starved away, this is the Liberal's and Campbell's legacy - the destruction of BC!
brian gough
3 years ago
Campbell must be stopped
All EA assessments have been corrupted,there is only one way to stop him and thats voting him out.
[HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY COMMENT REMOVED HERE...]
I am also quite distressed over the enviro groups like "suzuki" -- wilderness club,ducks unlimited and many others,they all seem to be prepared to look the other way because they deem the carbon tax as (visionary)
Hell I am not a tree hugger or an enviro by any means but I know "crimes against humanity and crimes against the enviroment"when I see it.
[...AND HERE. -MODERATOR.]
Calla
3 years ago
Globa warming.
While we wait for our leaders to act on this issue we can all surf with www.treehoo.com the web that plants trees for most of its profit to fight global warming and climate change. Don't wait act now, it's easy and free!
murdock
3 years ago
Power is never 'taken' it is always 'given'
Answer me this Rafe,
"Whom can or will stop him?"
"Who else can we vote for?"
I should very much like to have someone to vote FOR.
I already know I will not vote for the Non-Democratic Party, their connection deep down with union movements and their very obvious connection to the federal NDP make them a total non-choice for me.
The BC Lieberals are turning out to have very little in common with the former Socreds, even though they have had many supporters from the old socreds with them in the past...well that is the past. There is no vision for the common benefit of all in the province and a total lack of desire to leverage the advantages, that were built be collective builders in the past of this province, we had into something better. No the approach has been to sell (or 999 year 'lease') is all away, lock-stock-and-barrel. Leaving nothing for future generations.
This has been the dichotomy of BC, either demented socialism under the NDP or the mad-hatters version of mercantilism with the BCLibs.
Informed voters we may be, but left with what for choice?
Green?
Marxist-Leninist?
Rhinoceros?
Cocktail?
zalm
3 years ago
Sounds
...like a scam to me. Beat it.
brian gough
3 years ago
Murdock
Whats wrong with the NDP? We need unions,we need are social programs repaired,its certainly better than the corporate BC Liberal giveaway.
At least with the ndp the voice of the masses will be heard,we have no voice no future no nothing with Campbells corporate(american profits) goverment.
Everyone loses with Campbell, I voted for him myself in 2001--Unless the greens move up to 40% or more in the polls,then you have to vote for the NDP--I believe Premier James will make thoughtful well imformed decisions,not like Campbell with his goon squad holding you down and force feeding you.
zalm
3 years ago
Quote:That sounds a little
BC Hydro's credit rating is "AA" by Standard & Poors and is also guaranteed by the Province of British Columbia.
Any default by BC Hydro on its issued bonds would result in enormous negative financial consequences upon BC's own "AAA" rating.
Not only extremely doubtful... but Machiavellian.
And your point is....? I think you stopped reading too soon as Rafe gave you one possible scenario. If you can't see another one, there isn't much hope for you.
Meanwhile, read a little Joseph Stiglitz as he repents, if that's not too loose a word, for having led the charge of globalization for the World Bank as its chief architect. It seems in every case, the sale of assets for ideological reasons has been fouled by the lack of possibility for the countries so affected to recover some measure of funds in return for the sale of their assets, or some control (read, taxation or regulation) over the corporations that bought the assets at fire-sale prices. In other words, globalization has not worked out as the World Bank and the IMF had expected, and in every case, the countries were worse off before the intervention than after.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/stiglitz93
http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/articles.cfm
Think it couldn't happen here? Only Machiavelli would try to convince someone of that.
murdock
3 years ago
Whats wrong with the NDP
brian gough asks:
Whats wrong with the NDP?
The list is long, and I only have time for a few:
"Affirmative Action": wherein the new Non-Democratic candidate for Corky Evans' riding will have to be a woman. Not the best candidate, but the best female candidate. This is left over from the 1970's and does not belong in any party of any stripe anywhere. Please tell me what is 'democratic' about this sort of rule?
"Connection to Federal NDP": The Non-Democratic Party of BC takes at least some of its funding from the federal wing of the party, meaning that at least some of its direction is coming from Toronto. This is something that I think all of BC could do less of. I can never vote for any organization that would purport to lead BC when it is beholden to some other place in the country for its funding. Triple that never when that other place is in the 'golden triangle' of southern Ontario.
"Union Delegates": At the recent NDP retreat it was announced that the special powers of the Union Delegates were to be curtailed and no longer could these 'super delegates' determine anything. I have not heard that this proposal was accepted either by the BC wing or by the Federal mandarins that really control who gets to have a shot at power. You say that the 'people' get to have a say with the Non-Democrats? I say that the only 'people' that actually are heard are the Union Leadership, meaning that the NDP are not 'democratic' at all.
The other items are small and petty compared to these three GIANT non-democratic elements within the 'so called' New Democratic Party.
Skywalker
3 years ago
Looking for an excuse Murdock?
"Connection to Federal NDP": The Non-Democratic Party of BC takes at least some of its funding from the federal wing of the party,"
No there is not. They are financially two separate entities and organizations. Election rules ensure this.
"Union delegates"? They no longer exist. In any event would this be any worse than corporate donations and influence in the liberal party? Hardly!
If you are looking for an excuse to not vote there are likely other reasons. Two out of your three don't wash. You might hold the liberal to the same standard and the choice between one or the other becomes less clear.
Skywalker
3 years ago
Luke
Would promising not to sell a railroad and then doing it after the election be Machiavellian? Would Campbell have the capacity to do it with BC Hydro? I think he would, Machiavellian or not and Rafe points out a pretty accurate road map of the process. When you are watching a duck, expect a quack!
billyedtimmy
3 years ago
Not just government...
Sadly, BCSEA, an organization usually on the green side of things, has beed duped into supporting this run-of-the-river madness.
Not only is ROTR horrific environmentally, it makes no sense economically! For the BC goverment to essentially throw the BC energy consumer to the proverbial wolves (i.e., the supposed 'free-market' tied in with Western US power producers) will inevitably cost the province (and tax-payers) billions in the long term (see Calvert's "Liquid Gold").
mcdull
3 years ago
With BC ferries mortgaged to
With BC ferries mortgaged to the hilt and taking investors for 5 star trips on the german rennaisance. It will follow BC hydro. The name should be changed as it is no longer BC ferries but BC gouge the Islanders Viva a new province of Vancouver Island. If it hasn't all been demolished by the present Government of lower mainland shills.
Kam Lee
3 years ago
gordo the convict
We have let gordo and his fellow criminals decide what our province will look like. It's not pretty. He has, and will sell out our home, to his friends, until its all gone. Get him out now! The Virk, Basi trial (if it ever happens) will prove that he is the head of this mafia. Alol you mainstream media, grow some balls! Tell us the truth. It is still ours gordo. Have another drink.
brian gough
3 years ago
Murdock
What wages are up with Campbell--6 dollar starter wage--minimum wage frozen for 7 years under Campbell
Should only politiciand get raises--We now have 2 tier hydro rates coming, Campbell hasn`t lowered taxes they have been raised,maybe SKYWALKER will post the WILL Mcmartin story about taxes
Been to a hospital lately,maybe when your dad is dying in one and they feed him re-thermalized crap from tedesco,the housing slump is coming and when there are nothing but 10 dollar an hour jobs,you`ll be wishing there still was a union.
I just can`t think of one thing that Campbell has done that has been beneficial to BCers.
Anyways at least peoples wages gent spent here in BC--Corporate(American profits)just vanish
NicS
3 years ago
King of Carbon Taxes- Gordon Campbell
I was in "All India Sweets" the other day and we couldn't help but overhear the conversation at the next table. All of whom I would guess were left leaning enviros. They were discussing the Liberal's Carbon Tax and how Gordon Campbell came up with it and what possessed him to do such a thing? Apparently this "spin cycle" got him "greenwashing" behind his ears after having read the book "The Weather Makers" by Tim Flannery.
Did he even consult with anyone in BC about this tactic? As Rafe Mair pointed out above:
Yet everyone is talking about this Carbon Tax that has done nothing to date except boost Gordon Campbell's image into Greener pastures. I have had a number of people say to me that its the principle of a "Carbon Tax" that is important and that we shouldn't be treating this effort by GC as politics as usual. We have to treat it with the respect the environment deserves. These so called enviros have played into the hands of Premier Campbell and swallowed his ploy to fool us all. As Rafe Mair puts it:
Anyone who cannot see this is living in a fools paradise, more precisely "Gordon Campbell's Pardise". This is all about politics. As far as Gordon Campbell and the Liberals record goes this Carbon Tax has nothing whatsoever to do with the environment.
As for the politics of it, Carol James of the NDP has made exactly the right move in opposing Gordon Campbell's Carbon Tax. Of course it is really all about the environment, but GC's CT is not doing a damn thing to save our environment. The increase in gasoline and diesel prices has done more to save our environment in the last 6 mths. than GC's CT ever will.
There is no silver bullet for climate change. We have to use less, economies have to grow less, and we need good responsible governments to do the right thing and not constantly be trying to pull the wool over our eyes. It is time to sign up with the NDP and vote for them in May.
Des Emery
3 years ago
Hydro
I would be as worried as Rafe is about the future of any power base if the environmental problems were as stable as they seem to be right now.
Corporations look to the next 'quarter' on which they base the projections for 'profit. Invariably their longer-term plans are based on immediate conditions, which they tend to assume 'are stable.'
But we are living in a time of climate change which is in an accelerating mode right now, and which is ignored in the 'future' plans of private enterprise, who like to assume that everything except their ability to make a 'profit' is stable.
Electric power from hydro sources which are drying up will ultimately serve neither customers nor shareholders, although government, as usual, will have to take the blame. And pay the price.
Jake-from-the-lake
3 years ago
mentally ill campbell
In my opinion this EDITED FOR LEGAL CONCERNS is probably the most corrupt group of liberal politicians that
Victoria has ever had. It's been said that
selling off public assets are acts of treason.A change of gov means a restoral of public assets.We really get ticked off with the immigrants that are in the liberal
gov. Is there a few bucks in it for them if they sell off Crown/Public assets?Canada would be better off with out them
In Vic the EDITED FOR RACIST COMMENTS -- TYEE EDITOR line up with campbell when it comes to destroying our fish,rivers,and public assets Pretty sneaky.I would never support them.Everything comeing from china should be returned as hazardous goods.
What's wrong with Unions? My wife and I worked for unionized co's for fourty years we've had five houses.We've enjoyed medical,dental,and other benefits thanks to unions. Back in the fifties thru to the eighties everyone had the oppotunity to buy a home.Now the co's and gov want you in rental units where they can control you.Yes Rafe we and our families have always voted for the NDP.And we've always had honesty in Man,Sask,and BC.Because of this honesty the non-union newspapers and tv outlets can't comment on it.Once again Rafe a right wing gov under the control of a corrupt private sector is the start of
major cancer. Maybe immigrants can write in and let Canadians know why they support corrupt R/W governments.
North of Hope
3 years ago
Paul Nettelton
Remember Paul Nettelton, he was the MLA for Prince George-Ominica who spoke out against the privatization of BC Hydro in the Liberals 1st term. he was kicked out of the party for speaking out. That's how the BC Liberals work, they work for business, not for the citizens in BC.
RickW
3 years ago
Quote:Despite premier's
Four (count 'em - 4!) near-pristine lakes in BC are slated to be redesignated toxic dumps, as a subsidy to the mining industry.
Peter Evanchuck
3 years ago
water water everywhere
the USA will take what it wants and give ur little of what we want in return and guys like Harper and his nose in the Bushes will reinforce them to do so - it's all so sad, silly and political - power !!
greengreen
3 years ago
Environmental groups?
Where are all the environmental groups on this? Have they all been bought off by Campbell?
If one does not hear from them, one wonders if Rafe is off base on this. I doubt very much if he is, but where are the environmental leaders. Where's the Green Party?
murdock
3 years ago
Where's the Green Party?
good question greengreen.
I seem to recall a very active green party, at least federally, during the Martin election (the one he narrowly held a minority). The greens managed to get a 'status' so that they qualify for federal spending.
Following that election the leadership in the greens started to change and since then I suspect an inordinate number of nominees are not as active or really green as they make out to be, more watermelons or kiwi fruits than really green.
(you know green on the outside and pink in the middle or green and fuzzy on the outside and the color of money in the middle)
The green movement, at least in Canada, has become side-tracked or subverted by 'other' than enviromental concerns.
murdock
3 years ago
not for the Lieberals either
brian gough, you seem to have the impression I support what the BCLibs have been up to the past few years.
I do not, have not, and will not.
Unfortunately for many like me I cannot bring myself to support the party of Glen Clark. Currently led by miss othmar.
Stuck with limited choices I may have to pursue the independant option again.
I continue to advocate for indepentant MLA's and MP's. More of them would do us all a favor.
I am a realist however, and understand that $$$ is what wins the power in the end and recognize that the current incarnation of the NDP is so not going to get any $$$ in the amounts needed to win that the options start to look really thin. The insanity of 'affirmative action' is even more stupid.
In the end I think all the words here will amount to exactly nil and cannot yet see how to motivate enough of the voting public to give a damn.
Luke Skywalker
3 years ago
I Still Don't Get This Argument...
During 2000, BC Hydro, under the post-Clark NDP, put out a call for IPP green micro-hydro.
BC Hydro even provided a list of 600+ rivers, as well as an IPP development manual, for these green run-of-the river projects to occur.
BC Hydro has continued that policy ever since.
Where were people over the past ~8 years????
ME2
3 years ago
Unions and the BC NDP
Sywalker, if the quote from your post is accurate, and since I'm one who has been very critical of union influence within the BC NDP, I'm at a loss to understand why this is the first time I've seen such an assertion on these threads. You write :
""Union delegates"? They no longer exist ....."
I'm sure an expanded discussion of this would be of considerable value to TYEE readers.
Skywalker
3 years ago
ME2
From the NDP Convention 2005.. Try (don't know if this will work but) http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051126/ndp_bc_051126/20051126?hub=TopStories
John Meech
3 years ago
Geothermal Energy
Rafe: Your comments on hydro-power whether run-of-river or large-scale hydro are completely valid. The impact on the environment is significant. Fish (salmon)habitat is disrupted and any flooding that occurs releases mercury into the water and then into the fish.
We do need more power systems however if our economy is to continue to grow and our electricity is to remain carbon-neutral.
What I cannot for the life of me understand is why our government does not look at Geothermal Energy as the source - we have close to 7,000 MW (~80% of our current system) of potential geothermal power systems available along the Coast Mountain Range from Mount Meager in the south to the Wrangell Range in the north.
This form of energy is the cheapest in the world since production costs are extremely low and the equipment used is long-lasting and relatively maintenance-free. The capital costs are high but when amortized over 30 years, no other source of energy is as cheap as geothermal.
Run-of-River could generate at the most perhaps 1,500 MW distributed over 100 sites. Similarly Site C represents only about 2,000 MW at most.
Any excess power we have can be marketed to the US to displace coal-fired electricity and help them (for a price) decrease their greenhouse gas emissions.
Why don't we do this?
Gary
3 years ago
Raif missed something
In talking about "The Independent Power Projects (IPPS) called "run of the river," are a ghastly mistake however you look at them. They will destroy the province's streams, rivers and the ecology of their valleys. The destruction will be permanent." He forgot to mention (or possibly wrote this before it happened) that GC, at a fundraiser let it slip that "when we build Cite C" then said "oops...If we build Cite C".So there you have it Rafe. Not only is he going to kill all the small rivers. There is another mega project in the making. And if hydro is in debt just who is going to build it? I suggest probably the Americans. And what will be their payment? More than likely free hydro for 999 years. And nothing for BC. Sounds to me a lot like giving away a Railroad.
murdock
3 years ago
worse? yes.
asks Skywalker
At the very moment the NDP was first elected with Mike Harcourt, I watched with horror as the BC Federation of Labour leader hollared into a megaphone that,
"...now we have OUR government!"
I'll take a monied position over an idealist position ANY DAY.
At least the monied one you can know if/when you have reached their limit...with the idealist you may never know. This means that policy becomes impossible to design, especially when the competing idealist interests start to argue.
I think that this is why the NDP was so impotent during the recent healthcare workers issues that started off the BCLibs first term. The 'Dippers had no clue how any intervention on their part was going to affect their other Unionized patrons.
So YES, such influence is clearly WORSE than just financial influence. Just look at the mess it has made within the NDP since the 1958 convention...
RickW
3 years ago
greengreen
And all it took was a $100 cheque.......
Skywalker
3 years ago
Murdoch
"I'll take a monied position over an idealist position ANY DAY."
Since a "monied" position is what Campbell reflects along with all his policies, I don't know if you really want to go there. I recall unions were not happy with Harcourt. Unions may be naive and idealistic and say stupid things like "now we have our government" but you don't think big money says the same with Campbell? They say it in spades with their donation. They are not idealistic? Come on Murdoch you lost me there.
At least the NDP was trying to do something for workers. The liberals are only concerned about their business friends and they still believe that some benefits to the average person will trickle down and that justifies their focus.
A Campbell liberal can rationalize any devious political act. The NDP tears itself apart on minor issues. Worse? Hardly. I'd rather have a government that shows a little caution when dealing with the lives of people or their dreams.
happy
3 years ago
I agree partly..
Skywalker qoute:
"At least the NDP was trying to do something for workers."
They did plenty for workers - those that belonged to the BCGEU and CUPE.
What did they do for the other 80% of us "workers" except give us the biggest tax increase in Provincial history in their first budget (G Clark Finanace minister) to pay for it?
Fiat lux
3 years ago
This is all "wealth
This is all "wealth creation" kiddies, and the more of it, the more the destruction, because there ain't no wealth creation without somebody, or the environment paying for it forever .
One of these days humanity may just come to grips with the sordid fact that this is all being taught in our universities as the "science of neoclassical market economics"
Licenced and paid for by imaginary capital "created" by some deregulated bank from the fresh air, the Money God, with everybody kowtowing to its unlimited, wealth creating powers.
The biggest laughs are the racket of the PPPs, that "don't cost anything to the taxpayers"
Some corporations borrow imaginary money for the projects, then transfer the interests, plus their own interests on the interests on the public, as "tax deductible business expenses", then the profits on the projects and the management, plus , plus ,plus.....all, and every penny paid from the pockets of the taxpayers, inflating the real costs to high heaven, but all this is done "to save money".
No to mention the expected directorships
to politicians as rewards for all these "savings".
Ed Deak.
NicS
3 years ago
Political Success Requires Involvement
MURDOCH, while your angry ramblings about the NDP in BC may have been relevant at one time, today they are outdated and irrelevant!
The NDP has done more for democratic good governance in Canada and BC than any other political party. Sure Glen Clark was a poor leader, but you can only define a situation for so long based on the past and on biased media reports. At the end of Clarks tenure he brought in a balanced budget despite the fast ferries fiasco.
Carol James may not be the most charismatic leader ever, but we don't need charisma to run this province. We need sincere and honest leadership. We don't need the likes of a Gordon Emerson, a corporate leftover, to lead us.
The Union's relationship with the NDP across Canada has changed in recent years, lets not forget that it was Buzz Hargrove shaking hands with Paul Martin last election.
As for money winning elections, thats true for sure, much of the time. But it is also true that anyone can join the NDP and get involved and effect party policy. When the NDP wins an election, its because of the grass roots that get involved that makes the crucial difference. The next election can only be won if more people get involved at that level.
murdock
3 years ago
Involved...not solved.
I cannot see anything in the NDP platform that indicates the 'grass roots' doing anything that the Union bosses do not want.
I will stand by that assessment, especially the Federal control and Union management of the entire party.
Not unlike happy (see above) there was nothing useful done for anyone that was not in the BIG UNIONS during the entire time the Non-Democratic Party was in power. The last negotiations done by Dosanj should have been declared illegal, as I think that NO government should be allowed to negotiate any deal more than one year beyond their current electoral mandate -> Doasanj tried to get a 10 year one enforced with less than two months left in the life of that doomed government!
Skywalker
3 years ago
I repeat
""At least the NDP was trying to do something for workers." You notice is didn't say "unionized workers". Wages went up and conditions improved for all workers.
I think people like Happy and Murdoch are just trying to make their right-wing ideology fit the past. As I recall, CUPE was po'd that they were legislated back to work. Labour was generally po'd that the environmental concerns were dominant. So there was Fair wage legislation of the Island Highway, so what it is wrong to pay fair wages. Give it a rest you two. Campbell gets excused for breaking collective agreement, selling-off assets never to be recovered, privatizing the, keeping of private health records, feeding re-thermalized crap to patients in hospitals and generally making his friends rich at our expense and you two are still singing his praises. Just give it a rest already!
happy
3 years ago
No rest for the weary
Wasn't it Joy Macphail herself who admitted if Hell had frozen over and the NDP had won the 2000 election there were no actual funds budgeted for the "generous" HEU contract settlements the NDP graciously left for the Libs to deal with? (political dirty tricks by any other name)The only way they could have actually come up with the money would have had to be, well we all know how the NDP raises money. (See happy post above)
Skywalker, how did the NDP make wages and condidtions improve for "all workers" may I enquire. Being one of those workers I don't seem to recall that. How did my wages go up when my tax load increased?
NDP math at its best
Fiat lux
3 years ago
I never had anything to do
I never had anything to do with any union and have been self employed since 1957, but I always have to laugh when I read these hysterical claims against unions, while people ignore the biggest worldwide criminal gangs in history, like the Bilderbergers, Trilaterals, the NAFTA, the WTO, the IMF, gangs of executives and CEOs with multimillion salaries.
Not to mention a few corporations that now control the worlds food supplies, like Cargill, Tyson, Nestle, Monsanto, destroying the lives of millions.
There's supposed to be a worldwide food crisis, yet governments and these oligopilies and monopolies are forcing millions of farmers off their lands, by paying starvation prices for their products.
Canadian ranchers are getting half the prices for their cattle they were 10 years ago. Why and who is in control of these prices? The big bad unions?
Will people ever wake up ?
Ed Deak.
happy
3 years ago
Yes Ed
I 've listened and am fully woken up. Very busy these days building a fortress wall around my property in advance of the Mexican slave workers being rounded up who are coming here to take my job.
Back to work
Frank
3 years ago
happy
Kinda like giving a raise to teachers but not giving school boards the money to pay for it? Obviously that means the Liberals are tools of the big unions. In fact, Campbell's wife was a teacher or something was she not? Perhaps she told Gordon that if there was no raise nothing else would be happening either? Yep, sounds like the Libs are under the thumb of "big teacher".
Invent new taxes like the Right-wing? Maybe a federal sales tax on almost everything of 7%?
Or perhaps like how the Right invented income tax about 90 years ago?
And wouldn't the biggest tax increase be when there was no income tax or federal sales tax and then suddenly there was?
Campbell put a tax on camping, yet the environment got worse. Campbell raised health care premiums yet didn't improve outcomes. Campbell has a new "climate-change" tax yet the climate will get worse.
You're right, Liberal math is way more interesting.
Frank
3 years ago
murdoch
Whenever I read one of your posts I think of an old coot living on VI complaining about the "Bolsheviks". I wonder why that is?
murdock
3 years ago
frunk
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Frank
3 years ago
murdoch
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happy
3 years ago
Hi Frank!
Always good to see you. Your logic is indisputable. NDP gives health workers raises that aren't budgeted. Libs give teachers raises that aren't budgeted.
One difference. The Libs didn't give the teachers a big raise on the way out the door knowing they wouldn't have to actually come up with cash. They did it coming in the door.
Stalemate?
Frank
3 years ago
happy
Can I get back to you on that when the Liberals actually go out the door? Because until it happens I can't say how many contracts will be in effect when they leave.
So for example, if they lose in '09 I'm going to come back to you with lots of Olympic contracts.
Frank
3 years ago
Damn Libs
And of course there's a myriad of P3 contracts and others that will run for anywhere from 20 years to 999 years that the NDP will be saddled with.
Although its possible the Libs will still be the gov't in 999 years...
happy
3 years ago
Frank
"Although its possible the Libs will still be the gov't in 999 years..."
Thats why I like you Frank.
Realistic and Fatalistic at the same time
Skywalker
3 years ago
Happy
Did you read this "NDP gives health workers raises that aren't budgeted. Libs give teachers raises that aren't budgeted.
One difference. The Libs didn't give the teachers a big raise on the way out the door knowing they wouldn't have to actually come up with cash. They did it coming in the door."
Are you really saying that multi-year contracts must always end before a year of an election? Does every deal made by Campbell self destruct when his government leaves the building?
Every government has made contracts/deals/commitments that last beyond their tenure. How else would the country run. If the NDP had been returned and if they had made a bad deal then they would have had the challenge of dealing with it. Surely you don't believe the liberals will leave a perfectly clean slate. I guess we shouldn't have the Olympics just in case.
Fiat lux
3 years ago
The Olymics are a racket BC
The Olymics are a racket BC taxpayers will pay for, for generations.
So are the PPPs. Don't people realize that in reality, they all are public debts, because the public has to pay for them anyway, and through the nose.
Much more than if the government had borrowed the imaginary capital for their development.
Ed Deak.
RickW
3 years ago
Ed et al.......
But don't you know that THIS Olympics will be the one to turn a profit..........? That's what Gordon said.
ME2
3 years ago
Happy
I'm continually amazed when I talk to ant-union people who like Happy complain about union members recieving "too high" wages.
Almost without fail these people are themselves working for much less money, and in substandard conditions, and a significant number of them have poor work histories which preclude them from being hired by unionised companies. I recognise their complaints as the sour grapes syndrome.
Thus they cannot see even that they would be working for much less money if unionised companies did not have to compete for labour.
Similarly, I've seen people suckered into working as "contractors" and "consultants" who wind up working for less money and for longer hours once the loss of union benefits are factored in. Why do we keep hearing business owners who complain that they are actually working for "$2.50 an hour"? Is there an element of truth in this?
It is no accident, for example, that those US States which have high participation in unions have traditionally had the highest average incomes and the highest standards of living.
As Ontario gradually loses its unionised workforce, we now witness its slide into a depressed GDP, increased unemployment, and stressed health services.
Anybody in the workforce who is anti-union needs his/her head read. Needless to say, I'm pro-union. :- )
My bitch about unions and the NDP has NOTHING to do with anti-unionism, but rather with the disproportionate influence they exert within the Party. In allowing this, the Party becomes prey to the same criticism levelled at the Old Line Parties, which are so obviously manipulated by the Industrialist.
But even then, as Frank so tirelessly points out, the union influence in general favours both the working stiff and the ordinary person, in direct contra-distinction to Campbell's policies which primarily favour the rich.
There is simply too much at stake in this next election, and that is why I've re-joined the Party and will support and vote for it come next May.
SharingIsGood
3 years ago
back to Rafe's topic
Rafe,
I wish to thank you, once again, for your continued heroic efforts to protect BC's rivers.
Having grown up back east and having seen the devastation that unfettered development of rivers and the land surrounding rivers can cause, I wonder how British Columbians allow it to happen here. The pristine quality of the BC rain forest has been under constant attack by people who care not for the forests nor the mighty salmon that feed those forests. Their short-sighted objectivist goals reduce nature to bits and pieces. It must be that the objectivists do not fully comprehend the big picture. It is either that or they are selfish sociopaths. The followers of Ayn Rand believe that selfishness is good. I disagree.
Remember, "Sharing Is Good" - that includes sharing the planet with the plants and animals that also need it. Our grandchildren need those plants and animals to survive. We need the rivers to sustain the plants and animals.
happy
3 years ago
Skywalker and ME2
Skywalker
Let me clarify then. I'm stating that the contract settlement the NDP made with the HEU JUST before they were voted out (as everyone, including themselves knew they would be, right?) was bunk. Knowing full well THEY wouldn't have to fund the Settlement they went big, knowing the Libs would either have to raise taxes or go deficet to pay for it. Thats called Political Dirty Tricks. The NDP plays the game as good as the Libs, would you agree?
BTW, have YOU seen the HEU contract. Four weeks holidays after the FIRST year, increasing to nine weeks after five years. Must be nice. How much extra staff is required just for hoiday coverage compared to a non Governmental operation?
ME2
Your way off. I'm not anti union, I DO have complaints about the way PUBLIC unions are put on a pedastal by the NDP. I believe contract negotiations with these unions should go straight to a Mediator to settle as the Public unions are very different from their Private counterpoints. They have a MONOPOLY. That tilts the scales big time in their favour.
As for your assumption I'm cranky b/c I can't get a good Union job may I present my CV.
IWA, CAW, IUOE, USA, IAMAW and Teamsters.
I've been around. I'm non union now, I think I'm qualified to speak on the subject better than most
Skywalker
3 years ago
Happy
Do you remember the sweet doctor pensions deal signed before the Socreds (now liberals) left office in '91? My point still is that your criticisms on this point are "bunk". government is continuous and only those who run it change. When the NDP took over in November of '91 the budget left to them by the same people in government now was $2.4 billion in the red. That set the stage for some of the difficulty in the early 90's.
I don't know why you are trying to find an excuse for the liberals. What did they expect? Did they expect that the world would begin for them in the Garden of Eden the day they took over? Were they that stupid? Every government faces challenges. The liberals met their's by increasing taxes and every fee they could and now try to blame the NDP. Imagine the liberal gall! The NDP didn't leave enough surpluses so we could give our friends a massive tax break without raising fees, gas taxes and the PST? That is bunk as it has been proven time and time a gain. You just don't get it.
Government sometimes deals with decisions made by a previous government. That's just the way it works. Once more, I guess the Olympics should never have been approved. You never know, the liberals may be gone and then the NDP will have to raise the money to pay for all the spin off debt.
Skywalker
3 years ago
And back to Rafe
Excellent article Rafe. The three stages of Hydro down the drain were spot on. I've seen it all before with other political moves.
ME2
3 years ago
Happy
Happy, I accept your union credntials, which are more than mine which are balanced between Gyppo and BCGEU/IWA operations while a scaler.
I was in the BCGEU for some four years before Barrett's gov't gave the union the normal union bargaining and organising rights which WAC Bennet had actively suppressed. At that time I was getting a little over half of what an IWA boom man with no responsibility was getting.
Eventually, I came close to par, but that was slowly chipped away during mimiWAC's reign.
Bennet senior predicated his anti-government-employee stance on the old nostrum that anyone who worked for gov't couldn't get a job anywhere else, and so didn't deserve a normal wage. Succeeding neocon gov'ts have promoted that line, which is a core part of their propagandising that all gov't services are "inefficient".
And so we have the ludicrous situation of governments being elected to manage services, but who once they're elected, deliberately set out to oppose and obstruct their employees, cut funding, and then blame the costs of the services on "overpaid" employees.
It is in precisely in that light that I view your attack upon the HEU. Gov't unions have no more a MONOPOLY than do the Steelworkers (ex IWA) or the Autoworkers. AND they are just as "private" as any other union.
Your attack on the HEU is simply anti-union and a vote in favour of Campbell's plans to "privatise" all public services.