Opinion

TransLink Hijacked

How Gordon Campbell stole your vote on region's fate.

By Rafe Mair, 17 Dec 2007, TheTyee.ca

Gordon Campbell explaining something

King Campbell?

"These are the times that try men's souls" -- Thomas Paine, as his pen helped launch and sustain the American Revolution.

Thanks to the Campbell government the system of appointing the TransLink board has become a farce. Now all the financial aspects of TransLink are handled by a board hand picked by Campbell -- while the political problems they create are to be borne by local councils. Pretty nifty!

Here's the little shell game Campbell & Co. played:

The first step to creating a new TransLink board was appointing a screening committee of five to select a panel which would give Metro Vancouver a list of 19 "safe hands" (for Campbell).

That screening committee consisted of an appointee by Premier Gordon Campbell, one from the Vancouver Board of Trade, one from Greater Vancouver, one by the Institute of Chartered Accounts, one appointed by the regional mayor, and one from the Gateway Council which describes itself thusly: "The Gateway Council is a dynamic, industry-led organization of senior executives from the seaports, airport, carriers and other companies engaged directly in the Gateway transportation business."

Take care now, for here's where the fun begins. This "selection panel" then presented a list of 15 potential directors of TransLink (you can guess how many on that list will stand up for you and me) from which the mayors must select nine.

Were you watching? The new nine-member board will come from 15 people selected by a blue ribbon committee appointed by Gordon Campbell. That's the new BC Liberal democracy, Campbell style.

Incidentally, when it went to Metro Vancouver there was no "loaded vote" as is customary but everyone had one vote -- one for the mayor of Vancouver, one for Belcarra Park, one for Surrey and one for Lions Bay.

Steer to the right!

It's also noteworthy that Marvin Schaffer, a long time adviser to TransLink and adjunct professor in public policy at Simon Fraser University was told by Mike Harcourt, one of the screening panel, that he wasn't even on the short list. Why not? Schafer is probably the number one expert in the field but is seen as a leftie! Might that have been the reason?

The screening committee members were all fine gentlemen and good citizens. I've no quarrel with any of them. What I very much quarrel with is a screening committee hand picked by the premier and, with the exception of Mr. Harcourt, all from the business, dare I say, Conservative (big and small "c") community.

Friendly faces

This new TransLink board, all Campbell approved, without an elected person on it, will have the power to raise property taxes, buy and sell property, change property taxation classifications and run its own police force.

Here they are: Dale Parker, a businessman who's business financially supports the Campbell crowd; Nancy Olewiler, an economist who serves as a Liberal appointee on BC Hydro's board of directors; David Unrah, lawyer and businessman who serves on many boards of directors and, get this, is the corporate director of Canada Line Rapid Transit which is overseeing the construction of the RAV -- oops! -- Canada Line (A little conflict of interest here?); Jamie Bruce, an investment banker; Sarah Goodman, PR spokesperson for Weyerhouse; Robert Tribe, long time Executive Director of SNCF Lavalin, which makes buses and transit stuff (surely not another conflict of interest!); Cindy Chan Piper who has a consulting firm, is a member of Vancouver's right wing Non-Partisan Association and is a vocal supporter of Sam Sullivan (Gosh! Not another conflict of interest!); and Skip Triplett, who has been an executive with BC Tel (now Telus), Xerox of Canada and the Steel Company of Canada.

There you have it folks. Nine members of the business community all approved in advance by Premier Campbell to represent the needs of two million Vancouverites.

To hell with citizens

How do you feel about this TransLink if you live in a part of Metro Vancouver who doesn't vote right?

These men and women with no mandate from taxpayers will decide how hundreds of millions of your taxes will be spent. When the argument is made that they were approved by the mayors, remember that the only discretion the mayors had was to pick nine names from Campbell's list of 15 friends of his government.

We've seen it before

All of this, of course, fits into a well established mode of operation by the Campbell government. Let's revisit a couple of projects where local mayors, councils and citizens have been shut out of the process -- unless you consider being consulted after the deal is done due process.

There's the expansion, upgrading and dramatic changing of the Sea-to-Sky highway.

There is no question that this is a dangerous highway but were it not for the 2010 Olympics, much could have been done to make it much safer by modest changes and much better policing.

What now will happen is a series of developments along the highway and considerable expansion of Squamish with the public only consulted after the decision was made. On the axiom "Build it and they will come," it will not be long before the new four lane highway will be no better at handling the traffic than the present one.

Another obvious area which will be similarly impacted is the Municipality of Delta, one of the oldest, if not the oldest farming community in British Columbia. The South Fraser Perimeter Road will have a substantial impact on sensitive environmental areas and, as "progress" continues, more people will arrive and roads and other infrastructures will need more expanding and upgrading.

Cruel farce

Government environmental impact studies are a cruel farce. By the time the government orders them the deal has already been done. Consultations with the public are about as fair as "show trials" used to be behind the Iron Curtain.

What happens when Victoria wants to do something against the wishes of a local council?

The Campbell government does it anyway and to hell with letting citizens and their councils into the project before it's a done deal. The politicians closest to you, your municipal councils, can do nothing because Victoria in the person of Gordon Campbell has stripped away its rights.

Last week it was the turn of transit, until now run by the mayors of Metro Vancouver (formerly the GVRD).

And what was the fundamental issue that triggered the American Revolution? Taxation without representation.

Well folks, George III is alive and well. He runs his fiefdom in a great big office in the parliament buildings in Victoria.

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  • DPL

    4 years ago

    We sure are a stupid bunch

    We sure are a stupid bunch in this province. Gordo uses us for whatever game he is playing. we pay , the cities who used to run the transit are put on the side line. They get the heat and Gordons friends get the contracts complete with gobs of cash and influence.
    When will thsi give away end? Not while the Liberals are in power. But a large bnumeber of folks seem to figure that as long as Gordon promises a tax cut and waves around massibe suprluses as the result of cut social programs, etc, well heck it must be OK. Stupid , dumb or whatever. We now have company floks setting tax bases not elected people. WE seem to have no shame and of course Gordon certainly hasn't any either. He supports folks who bankroll his campaigns.

  • Gary

    4 years ago

    "the Summer Soldier and the Sunshine Patriot"

    But Rafe, you forgot to mention that Cindy Chan Piper is a frequent Transit user.
    But I'm not dure if that makes her left or right of center.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    Damn right Rafe!

    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

    Campbell's & Falcon's TransLink Mk.2 is a disaster for the taxpayer and a windfall for friends of the Libs.

    Here's how this little ponsie scheme works and it is all very legal.

    If we are to build light rail from Vancouver to Richmond, the Arbutus line would be a natural, cheap and all there. The cost for a Vancouver to Steveston line (and the airport) would be about $800 million. But no, no, say Falcon and Gordo, we can't build on Arbutus, we need a subway under Cambie St., cost $2.4 billion. So where does the extra $1.6 billion go? Friends of the government, you know the companies that produce cement; all the engineering firms needed for the massive costs of a subway construction; all friends of the 'Board of Trade'. You see that extra $1.6 billion spent doesn't go to a longer line or a better line, it just 'gold-plates' the existing line, or should I say gold-plates the pockets of friends of the government!.

    Subway construction escalating, just hire off-shore workers for a pittance or switch from bored tunnel to cut-and-cover construction and don't pay compensation for affected businesses.

    It is corrupt, the whole process, but no one can do anything about it as it is all very legal.

    Rafe, ever wonder why foreign banks didn't invest in the P-3? Or why Serco, Lavalin's partner, pulled out? Or why cities avoid subway construction unless they have the mass of ridership to sustain it?

    Why did Campbell raid the public sector pension plans to fund RAV?

    Why is Vancouver an example in not how to provide good rapid transit?

    Why is Vancouver an international laughing stock, when it comes to transit?

    When will the taxpayer throw this deceitful government out?

    Why won't the government release Dobel's and Bird's LRT study saying the light Rail on Arbutus won't work? What are they afraid of? What scares them? The truth?

    Where is Carole James? Oh yes, she's telling over 50 white guys they can't run for the NDP.

    We are doomed!

  • zalm

    4 years ago

    Grumpy

    Please send me an e-mail at

    . Citizen Sam wants to bring the Skytrain back down 10th Ave. again and I'd like your advice.

    Thanks

  • C.B.

    4 years ago

    Rafe, Don't know if it's

    Rafe,

    Don't know if it's you or me getting older (hey, maybe it's both of us), but I like your style.

    And. . . what do you think your Wikipedia bio? Well done, I would say.

  • off-the-radar

    4 years ago

    your usual good article

    Thanks Rafe for telling it like it is.

    One observation and one question.

    First the question, why is Mike Harcourt lending his good name to these dubious proceedings?

    Now the observation. Ummm, the Translink board will be run by the Premier's office like the rest of government. Rumour has it that the Premier's office is now at 400 people (!) and still growing. I know you'll appreciate the implications of that size of office, Rafe.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    Now, here is the real story........

    First, Zalm I will send you an email, but this might answer your question.

    When the Socreds forced SkyTrain on the region, first all LRT supporting planners, managers, and bureaucrats were purged from BC Transit. Then all transit planning was based on the now obsolete (no other city does transit like this) light-metro philosophy of transit planning, where a hugely expensive light-metro 'spine' is force fed by buses.

    This sort of transit philosophy has been deemed a failure.

    With all transit planning agencies purged of anyone who supported the mode, all planning was based on SkyTrain light-metro, as LRT was treated as an inferior transit mode.

    Glen Clark and McPhail and the NDP were sold on the SkyTrain Millennium Line by transit bureaucrats and to get the elevated light metro built, George Puil, then Chair of the GVRD who was leading the charge for TransLink, only signed the agreement when Clark promised to pay 66.33% of "only SkyTrain rapid transit built West of Commercial Drive.

    So were sown the seeds of RAV, as it now looks TransLink and the region, were a 'milch cow', to pay for a needless subway.

    To cut the costs of the RAV Line which were spiralling out of control, Lavalin was given the OK to build with cut-and-cover construction instead of bored tunnel, as C & C is cheaper,

    But C & C is cheaper because the Liberals and TransLink did not add a compensation package into the mix, as is common with C & C construction.

    But even SkyTrain was too expensive for RAV, and it is a generic metro, built cheaply with small stations. SkyTrain was designed to be cheaper by being elevated and not in a subway.

    Now we come to TransLink Mk. 2 and Vancouver's wish for a SkyTrain Line to UBC. Well folks, if the Cambie St. merchants are successful in lawsuits, a subway will built on 10th Ave. as its harder for residents to sue for loss.

    What has happened is that Vancouver is getting another subway, operating on a route that doesn't have the ridership to justify construction. (A subway needs at least a ridership of 300,000 per direction per day to justify construction) payed for by the taxpayers delivered by the Valley Liberal politicians.

    Zalm, better get your hardhat ready.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    Mikey

    Harcourt, since his accident, has been trying to be important. It is ego that drives him. The man hasn't a clue about modern public transit and certainly has the simpletons dream of subways. Being a former Vancouver mayor, NDP Premier and a SkyTrain supporter, the man is a natural to champion for a subway to UBC. Carole James is too weak to call him for what he is, a Quisling and completely ignorant about public transit.

    Mikey is a dangerous man; an anti transit man; a man who working for Vancouver only. Get that NDP!

  • Peter Dimitrov

    4 years ago

    Democracy Hijacked

    Good article Raif. Simply put the democratic system of provincial governance in this province is broken, is corrupted by lobbyists and the big corporate sector who have captured the legislative agenda. Indeed municipalities, regional districts, and the citizens that reside there have been stripped of their political power. Furthermore, legislation that protects the labor movement, injured workers--those who will build the Gateway project - has all been denuded, emasculated.

    The fundamental cause is the power invested in the Crown and the Premier's office by a colonial, racist system of governance, foisted upon First Nations and settlers alike. The democratic illusion is that a mere change in party elected ..will change that institutional arangement. In 2002 I had the audacity to publicly state at the BC NDP leadership convention that the system of governance in BC was highly dysfunctional, had all the indicators of a low-level democracy --many thought that prognostication was over the top. Well, after some 7 years of this government, where they have imposed neo-liberal ideology to first (a) roll back (b) restructure economic and social realtions, and (c) hollow-out and centralize what little is left of governance, coupled with the matters pertaining to BC Rail and many other matters, let me add my voice to those who have already said: this system of government is completely broken, is corrupt, is beholden completely to the corporate sector. Those who allow themselves to be drawn into the machinations of this goverance system, rather then articulating for significant change, are regretagbly aiding and abetting the existing system. What is needed - and yes, others can quote me, is a "new political architechture" a new "geometry of power" in this province. How to get there, neither wishing or demanding, will do the job. We have to work together for change, and municipal leadership is key. The Mayors (and council) ought to tell Campbell to take a long walk off a short pier, to be polite. They ought to not allow themselves to be used as pawns and drawn into this illigetimate Translink process. Indeed they ought to Stand up For Democracy, and begin the dialogue on this 'new political architecture', this 'new geometry of power'. If not now, when, if not you, then who?

  • zalm

    4 years ago

    Thanks Grumpy

    ...but I actually do know all that already. I learned first-hand about most of the skulduggery in 1999-2000 under Ron Stromberg, Peter Boothroyd and Phil LeGood, and more later from others including you. I still have a huge paper file from the Millennium line and a smaller one from the RAV line.

    It's Citizen Sam I'm fitting for a hard hat!

  • lynn

    4 years ago

    He who must be obeyed

    Quote:
    let me add my voice to those who have already said: this system of government is completely broken, is corrupt, is beholden completely to the corporate sector. Those who allow themselves to be drawn into the machinations of this goverance system, rather then articulating for significant change, are regretably aiding and abetting the existing system.

    Well said, Peter.... that is exactly the line now being drawn in the sand...the choice each of us must make.

    And a great article, Rafe, that certainly highlights the psychology ( or is it pathology?) at work behind the narcissism and madness of those who have crowned themselves kings.

  • werdnagreb

    4 years ago

    Grumpy---Rapid transit to UBC

    Grumpy,

    Usually I agree with what you say, but it seems like if any part of Metro Vancouver deserves a subway, then it should be Broadway from Commercial Dr to UBC. It is my understanding that it is the most popular transit route in the region.

    Perhaps what you are saying by giving the 300,000 minimum ridership is that there is no part of Metro Vancouver that deserves a subway.

    However, I strongly believe (through anecdotal evidence) that many people do not take the 99B line because it is too crowded during rush hour. Yet, it is not physically possible to add more buses to broadway. Seems like a great opportunity for something faster.

  • avandoc

    4 years ago

    what to do?

    The fact is that the BC Liberals control the government but were elected by a disproportionate number of voters. The winner-take-all system of election is one of the fundamental flaws in the Canadian system. Other problems include the way elections are financed and poor voter turnout, but until citizens believe that their vote really counts, other problems will be hard to solve. It is unrepresentative to have all the power vested in one party and other voices excluded from the cabinet. Politicians should be forced to work together, but in this system, they are rewarded for grabbing all the power and pretending to have "consultation" and debate.

    I hope that people outraged by the actions of this government work toward a different electoral system. It came close to passing in the last election, and concerned citizens should not forget that. Angry posts on a blog won't do much in the long run.

  • nightbloom

    4 years ago

    Interesting that you mention

    Interesting that you mention Schaffer's academic standing as an SFU public policy adjunct professor, yet merely identify Olewiler as an economist and liberal appointee to BC Hydro's board. In fact, Olewiler is the head of SFU's graduate program in public policy, is a highly respected intellectual authority in the field, and if you've ever encountered her then you know she has no problem whatsoever when it comes to speaking truth to power.

    I don't disagree with your main point here, Rafe, but try to avoid the temptation to butter your argument with highly selective omissions of fact.

  • dorothy

    4 years ago

    Eh?

    "it should be Broadway from Commercial Dr to UBC."

    Broadway does not go to UBC, just on the western side of Alma, it runs into Crown Crescent, and then does some kind of weird warp, from which it suddenly emerges as 8th Avenue, while 9th Avenue, which should logically be the continuation of Broadway, only starts at the Crescent. As soon as you hear 'crescent', you know you are dealing with the creme de la creme, and so this would get messy. I predict that said line will be made to end somewhere slightly west of Granville, which has been the talk for years.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    werdnagreb - an answer

    Actually a subway will deter people taking transit. If we had 'real' experts teaching modern public transport history at UBC or SFU, they would have taught that in the 60's and 70's, after wholesale European abandonments of cities tramway's, in favour of subways, that ridership on subways declined.

    It was the Renaissance of modern LRT, with low-floor cars combined with the concept of the 'reserved rights-of-way', that started making public transport appealing to the car driver. Study after study has shown that it is not speed that attracts people to transit, but the convienence and ambiance of the system. Subways are seen by many as claustrophobic and unpleasant.

    We could rid Broadway of all buses, use one sixth less modern streetcars (trams or LRV;s) on a combination of reserved and mixed use rights-of-ways, attract more new customers at a far less cost than a subway.

    All subways are, except where ridership demands, politicians demonstrating civic penis envy, by having a very expensive subway service.

    You can see why the good folks at TransLink would like me to be burnt at the stake. Yet, our penchant for hugely expensive transit systems, has driven the cost of public transit out of sight, yet we have a very small, rather inefficient transit system. Taking the car is easier and in most cases, cheaper.

  • kris

    4 years ago

    transit philosophy

    Grumpy: Your definition of bad transit philosophy seems to apply to most European cities.
    Why don't you give us an example of a city comparable to Vancouver where the transit actually works the way you like.

  • gaulois

    4 years ago

    Sharp

    I must say that Rafe is a lot sharper shooting at what he knows best, i.e. his own provincial government, not the one back east... Thanks for an excellent article.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    Actually, most European cities!

    What has happened in Europe, including Paris and other major cities, unless ridership warrants (and I mean this, when ridership demands long 6 to 12 car trains, operating at close headways, then grade separations are a must) have created a transit mix that has attracted the motorist from the car.

    Today, proponent of a new transit line must just not prove a modal shift, but guarantee one from cat to transit.

    Modern LRT (streetcars operating on reserved rights-of-ways) have shown that commercial speeds of streetcars (trams) can be increased to a point that it rivals the commercial speeds of light-metro.

    At this point I must stress, SkyTrain and RAV are obsolete, both in concept and philosophy, thats why Bombardier can't sell many (only 3 ART to date - Vancouver, Kuala Lumpor; and JFK) SkyTrain.

    What is forgotten in all this, is that SkyTrain's higher commercial speed isn't just operating on segregated rights-of-ways, but fewer stations per route km.

    Fewer stations per transit route, may increase commercial speed, but at the expense of ridership.

    One doesn't argue that UBC needs better transit service, but does it need a metro? Which is better:

    1) A SkyTrain subway with a station every km. apart from Commercial drive to UBC costing $125 million/km.;
    2) A LRT/streetcar system from BCIT to UBC, with stops every 500 to 600 metres apart, costing under $25 million/km.

    -The LRT system would have a commercial speed about 5 kpm less than subway.
    -Both LRT and SkyTrain would have capacities greater than 16,000 pphpd.
    -The LRT option could operate 24 hours a day (automated transit systems must shut down for routine maintenance every day.)
    -The LRT option would have substantially lower operating costs than buses and subway.
    -The LRT option could have the ability to carry containers to UBC, eliminating some commercial traffic on Broadway. (Dresden's streetcar system carries containers and Amsterdam's streetcar system is experimenting with freight LRT)
    -The LRT option could operate vintage vehicles.
    -The LRT option could run specialty cars, such as bicycle trams (streetcars that cater to cyclists), restaurant cars, and or offer a 'bistro' service.

    So instead of a 'there and back' metro, using much cheaper LRT caters to the wants of customers.

    One thing is for certain, the public have never had a real say about public transit in the region.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    In Europe.....

    planners build what the customer wants. In Vancouver planners build what the politicians want. That is why our transit system is so dysfunctional; that's why 87% of the regional population don't use transit.

  • JIm

    4 years ago

    "Grumpy: Your definition of

    "Grumpy: Your definition of bad transit philosophy seems to apply to most European cities.
    Why don't you give us an example of a city comparable to Vancouver where the transit actually works the way you like."

    I would like that as well.

    I just visited several major European cities and they all had subway systems. I'm not sure where this utopia of light rail is.

  • TTTT

    4 years ago

    and montreal

    even with all it's problems never duplicated a metro line to the same place - the thing goes in all directions

    millennium/expo was/is madness.

  • Canis Latrans

    4 years ago

    Peter D. gets it best...

    The longest labour strike I ever participated in (2001) was against the new, we thought, locally controlled Translink Board that was supposed to bring democratic control over the transit system back to the citizenry of Vancouver-, but didn't of course. Anybody remember that old anal retentive, Puil-, whose mother was actually a transit user too. (Means nothing.)

    The point is, however, the one made by Peter Dimitrov above; that what passes for democracy in the New (actually Old) Capitalism, isn't. It's just smoke and mirrors, flashes of light and illusion. It doesn't exist anywhere within the capitalist economy, and only more formally than real, as a sleight of hand, within the Big Capital manipulated and controlled so-called "democratic systems" of provincial and federal State governance.

    And in this Neoconazi period going on since the collapse of the regulated capitalism "prosperity period" of the immediate post-WW2, it has only been getting steadily and degeneratively worse.

    And yes, let me echo both Peter and Lynn, "A great article Rafe." You constantly keep on surprising me, you old social creditor, you. :-) An example that even the conservatives of that time were different-, more progressive.

    Quote:
    ...this system of government is completely broken, is corrupt, is beholden completely to the corporate sector. Those who allow themselves to be drawn into the machinations of this governance system, rather then articulating for significant change, are regrettably aiding and abetting the existing system. Wrote Peter.

    Hopefully, Carol's NDP are reading that above quote from Peter appropriately. I won't hold my breathe though.

    They are something it is time to move beyond too.

  • TTTT

    4 years ago

    this may seem tangential but really

    we need a wards system here in Van to ensure continuity of voices and ensure voices are heard, imo.

  • DNA

    4 years ago

    The province has always called the shots

    The problem, though, Rafe, is that the provincial government has always called the shots, when it comes to the big decisions regarding transportation in the region. These things cost so much money that no provincial government is simply going to fund transportation infrastructure and let local people make the decision as to where it will go. From WAC Bennett driving the BCR through West Vancouver and Highway 1 through the valley, to Bennett deciding to have the Skytrain and Vander Zalm and Clark and now Campbell expending it, the decisions have always been made in Victoria. And look what happened when the regional TransLink board said, no, we really don't need or want a skytrain to the airport. To change this you'd have to give constitutional and taxing powers to regional government, and that's not going to happen soon. As for the TransLink board being business oriented, well, yeah, this provincial government is business oriented.

    In some ways I think it benefits the environmental cause. You can convince a provincial government to take serious environmental action. I doubt you can expect a regional government to do much more than symbolic gestures. Now to convince Victoria that what the people really want is sustainable transportation - and not a continuation of our auto dependent systems. But do they?

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    Local Transit for JIm

    Calgary is the unsung hero of transit. With a LRT line, costing less than half per km. to build than SkyTrain, has continually out preformed our light-metro. Today Calgary's C-Train carries about 250,000 persons a day, which really pisses TransLink, who always has SkyTrain carrying a little more. Calgary does count ridership, but not TransLink and that should tell the story.

    Toronto is embarking on a massive LRT scheme, instead of building subways. The last subway extension cost in excess of $150 million/km. and the lure of cheaper, thus larger network has certainly pointed the TTC planners into a more European style of transit.

    Even Montreal, with its 'Paris' style rubber tyre metro is planning for two LRT lines. Metro extensions in Paris were becoming very expensive and it was way too expensive to extend their metro to the burbs. (also rubber tyre metro operate very poorly in snowy conditions, so LRT it is.

    Harper killed the Ottawa LRT because the conservatives wanted a prestigious subway for the capital. London got subways. Moscow got subways; and Harpo's great Friend to the south capitol got subways, gee whiz, Ottawa needs a subway to become a world class capitol.

    Subways cost a lot of money to build, but to maintain. The problem is that they leak and leakage causes corrosion, especially on delicate automatic train controls. but Vancouver's NPA and Vision (who lack any vision) because under bill 43, property around transit stations will be exempt from city zoning bylaws. So expect 30 story condos around every subway station. 'Ecco density you know'.

    But over and over again I stress, if one wants a viable transit system; a transit system that will be an attractive alternative to the car, the public must be involved with transit planning. If not, we will get the same sort of expensive show case transit systems that seems to win votes for the politicians, but offer no real alternative to the car.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    LRT is not a panecea..........

    ........ but a transit mode that has proven to attract the motorist from the car. That's why it's being built in most cities around the world.

    Vancouver was never allowed a transit debate, LRT versus metro, and our politicians and planners still go around in a 1950's 'rubber on asphalt' haze, where they believe that the more expensive a transit system is, the better it is.

    All the transit customer wants is an easily accessible, cost effective, comfortable transit journey.

    Again the following comment speak for itself:

    Since the late 1970's only 5 SkyTrain type system have been built (2, Vancouver and Toronto were forced upon the operating authority by senior governments); during the same period, over 100 new LRT systems have been built and a further 100 are either under construction or in advanced stages of planning.

    So planners around the world avoid building with light metro and avoid building subways, while our planners don't. There is a message in there somewhere.

  • greengreen

    4 years ago

    What about TILMA? Anything

    What about TILMA? Anything democratic about how it was drafted? About how it is to be implemented?
    What about Abbot's new Board re the pharmacy program? Talk about the fox in the henhouse!
    The saddest part of all of this is that people still have not had enough. When the time comes, they will still vote for these assholes. Always did, always will.
    And, don't forget, this is a world-class city!

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    I'm alright Jack!

    This is how the majority of people think.

    "I" think SkyTrain is good, because it costs $5 billion and 'all' rapid transit is good.

    "I" don't use transit, but "I" think everyone else should.

    "I" like SkyTrain because it is up in the air so it doesn't bother 'my' driving.

    "I" don't like light rail because it shares the road with "my" car.

    "I" like the new transit board because "I" vote Liberal and support premier Campbell.

    "I" I like those whining Fraser Valley Farmers to pay for "my" subway in Vancouver.

    "I" am all right Jack!

  • kris

    4 years ago

    Calgary Transit Sucks

    Grumpy: "Calgary is the unsung hero of transit"

    Grumpy: It is a little frustrating reading your entries on Vancouver's transit. You have extensive knowledge of the issue but your position that it must be surface LRT or nothing is supported only by very carefully selected data. It is quite one-sided.

    I challenge you and everybody interested to visit “Calgary Transit Sucks” blog at

    http://www.sowrey.org/2006/08/15/calgary-transit-sucks/

    A very lively discussion goes there parallel to ours. From it, one can easily deduct several things.

    1. Users are universally not happy with Calgary Transit

    2. Calgary LRT already operates well over its capacity

    3. People cannot wait to see the underground extension opening in 2012

    4. Most users believe that (among others) Moscow, Tokyo and Vancouver transit is superior to theirs.

  • driftwolf

    4 years ago

    As expected

    The "neo-con" crowd (whatever political label they wish to apply to themselves: Tory, Liberal, Fascist, etc.) don't like democracy. They want a nice tightly controlled plutocracy where those with money make all the decisions, and the rest can go to hell.

    Campbell seems to be doing quite well for his real constituents. You know, the ones who paid for his campaigns to convince the easily led hard of thinking people to vote for him. I expect he'll do quite well in his next campaign as well, because sure as blazes what passes for education these days doesn't include "critical thinking". Not to mention that by currying favour with the plutocrats, he's setting himself up for having even more money to spend in the next bought-and-paid-for election.

    Face it, money buys elections. You don't have to stuff the ballot boxes when people are being trained by TV and media to believe whoever has the most advertising.
    Those with the most money buy the most advertising. Those with the most advertising usually win the elections.

    No wonder so many people don't bother voting.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    If Calgary's C-Train sucks............

    ........why do people use it in great numbers? Far more people per capita use Calgary's LRT than Vancouver's SkyTrain.

    Calgary is not over capacity, as theoretical capacity for the C-Train is 33,000 pphpd, it carries about 12,000 pphpd today.

    What has happened is that Calgary's C-Train has been starved of investment, but new cars are on order and the line is being extended. One can say, Calgary's light rail is hampered by its success. For a system 90% at-grade, I think it is doing exceptionally well.

    As for the tunnel, it is complement the surface transit mall, not replace it. It will have fewer stops, thus reduce times for cross city travel.

    You just can't compare Calgary to Moscow (has an extensive LRT network) and Tokyo (also has LRT and now expanding the system), as their populations are at least 10 times of that of Calgary.

    As for blogs, well there are thousands of anti-LRT blogs, so what.

    Here is the big question that we have not been asked here, yet Calgary asked its taxpayers:

    Do you want LRT, costing between $15 million/km. to $25 million/km.

    or

    A metro at $90 million/km.

    There is only one taxpayer. And here is another hint, the international banks, who have good records with LRT and 'rail' P-3 did not invest in the project. That's why SERCO bailed out, it couldn't get investment capital from the banks.

    This is why Campbell has hijacked TransLink, to hide the fact that RAV is a ponsie scheme, using BC public employees pension plan money 'sort of laundered' to finance SNC/Lavalin's P-3 bid. Calgary's ridership numbers speaks volumes for the light rail system, if it is so bad, why do people use it?

  • Bobby Peru

    4 years ago

    It's called Progress

    Of course we have representation, the Libs won an election and now have a mandate. Do we need to vote on every issue and accommodate everyone? That isn't democracy, that's gridlock which is what is occurring on lower mainland roads. We need to blow up the GVRD deadlock created by thick headed, eco radical bureaucrats who are foisting their social engineering upon us rather than sticking to fixing the sewage system.

    These bureaucrats want everyone living in condos rather than homes while most Canadians want a house. They purposely stop building highways and allow roads to get crowded in an insane effort to 'encourage' people to take transit.

  • woody

    4 years ago

    greengreen said,

    greengreen said, When the time comes, they will still vote for these assholes. Always did, always will.

    greengreen surely, you must realize just how useful assholes really are? You shouldn't cast assholes in the same light as them.

  • Isabella2

    4 years ago

    New and improved 'TransLink'

    Rafe, here I am, Janey-come-lately to the discussion of your superb undressing of the Emperor and his entourage. It is made of the stuff that, at any other time of the year, might have lit the fires of a citizens' revolt. Unfortunately for our democracy, however, everyone's a tad too busy with shopping right now. But never fear, the cause will be taken up when the tax bills start to roll in - then, when it's too late, you'll see editorials and letters to the editor enough to make your heart proud.
    Oh, by the way, you did make one teensy error in your commentary - the Premier is not running the show from Victoria - he runs it from the beach in Hawaii and leaves the tedious day-to-day stuff to the Dobell-Falcon team...

  • Dave2

    4 years ago

    Broadway vs 10th

    >Broadway does not go to UBC, just on the western side of Alma

    The most likely scenario has the subway running under 10th Avenue, not Broadway, with the station entrances located on the south side of Broadway. Presumably the line will continue to run under 10th past Alma, though it will likely be decades before we see that happen. Arbutus makes sense as the interem end of the M line, lots of room for a transit loop there once IGA moves out (does Home Depot still own the land?(

    Fun fact: many years ago Broadway *did* go to UBC, you can still see where Chancellor Boulevard used to hook up with 8th/Broadway.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Chancellor+Blvd,+UBC,+Greater+Vancouver,+British+Columbia,+Canada&ie=UTF8&cd=3&geocode=0,49.272010,-123.233210&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&ll=49.265844,-123.205748&spn=0.011286,0.038538&z=15&om=1

  • jimmy_laroux

    4 years ago

    Bobby Peru: Quote:Do we

    Bobby Peru:

    Quote:
    Do we need to vote on every issue and accommodate everyone? That isn't democracy...

    That is exactly democracy. Buy a dictionary.

    Quote:
    ...deadlock created by thick headed, eco radical bureaucrats...

    Congestion is not caused by bureaucrats who don't build highways, it's caused by bureaucrats and politicians who do build highways. As for "thick headed", is it a smart idea to build more highways to try to fight congestion when this strategy has failed almost everywhere it has been implemented?

    Quote:
    These bureaucrats want everyone living in condos rather than homes while most Canadians want a house.

    I guess this is why condos are so cheap in Vancouver. They're practically giving away lofts in Gastown. Yeah, no one wants to live in condos.

  • Grumpy

    4 years ago

    Zalm....... & Broadway vs, 10th

    ......I tried emailing you, but they just bounced back.

    What route will be used for a subway, Broadway or 10th Ave.? if Susan Heyes and the rest of the Cambie St. merchants are successful in their lawsuit against TransLink, then a deep bored tunnel will be used under Broadway. If they are not, a cut & cover subway will be built under 10th., as there will be less political damage from it being built there.

    The pro subway TransLink Board will ensure the most expensive option will be built, so as to divert the taxpayer's money into their friends pockets. The rich get richer and the poor are screwed.

  • greengreen

    4 years ago

    A versus C

    Woody, yes, but I thought it was less useful then the "c" word that I wanted to use. I mean it is Christmas time and all.

  • DJT

    4 years ago

    Quote: The saddest part of

    Quote:
    The saddest part of all of this is that people still have not had enough

    Unfortunately, part of the reason why, in my opinion, that people have "not had enough" is that most of them don't know dick about what's going on with this government. Part of this is that many don't care, while part is because the mainstream media in this city are complicit in not telling the average Joe what's really going on.

    Thank goodness we have outlets like The Tyee. Rafe, you remind me of Derek Corrigan, another guy "after me heart". Good article.

  • greengreen

    4 years ago

    DJT, I agree, but I think

    DJT, I agree, but I think there is another "explanation." The "rich" of the business world are doing very well. The real estate folks are salivating.. In their perception, everything is just wonderful (and, for them it is!) And, these"types" vote...they will make sure Campbell stays in to protect their own selfishness They may be outnumbered by the "less-well-off, but, unfortunately, too many of this "class" don't vote

  • BC Dude

    4 years ago

    "The People United Will

    "The People United Will Never Be Defeated"
    All we have to do is look what "People Power" accomplished in Bali!
    There has to be a quick easy legal way to get rid of this very sad excuse for a human being who is striping away Our Democracy and Our Freedom of Speech?
    http://harrietspirit.blogspot.com/ RIP
    http://bettysearlyedition.blogspot.com/2007/02/bettys-final-submissions-to-madam.html
    I say "ENOUGH" of this dick-tater and his band of pussy cowardly thugs, if we had a decent SCBC this dishonorable guy would be in prison right now for corruption in the BC Railgate scandal.
    http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/
    BC Mary your idea of a Public Inquiry is an awesome and an ideal way of getting to the bottom of this whole travesty of justice! I also believe that Gordo should have had to resign once his government was (Basi, Verk, Basi) implicated in BC Rail criminal elements. He should have been thrown out with his DUI charge?
    Gordo selling out to Corporations....
    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=b77b4b7d-6149-4852-aa09-d5f168b2531a

  • BC Dude

    4 years ago

    Along w/BC Maries Public

    Along w/BC Maries Public Inquiry, I would also like to see someone who knows how, start a BC Rail petition as there are 3 million people in BC and this BC Railgate is finally getting noticed, just an idea!

  • lynn

    4 years ago

    thanks for keeping on

    BC Mary's Public Inquiry into BC Rail is a great idea...

    .... and BC Dude, thanks for keeping the fires of protest alive and burning all year round.

    Cheers,

    lynn

  • BDD63

    4 years ago

    The problem is

    how can you have people running a system who don't use the system? If these business types were forced to use public transit at least once a week in order to earn their paycheques, then, maybe, we would see some solutions. However since they all drive a car all their ideas will be how to keep transit from getting in the way of their commute.

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