OK, I just laughed so hard coffee shot out my nose. This article is bang on. :-)

And I'm going to frame this phrase and post it under a photo of Harper:

"They (stupid people) act like self destructing robots when faced with a situation they can’t understand and they actually spew smoke and rattle and jump up and down"

No, we criticize them for pretending they aren't and claiming they aren't, but thanks for providing such an excellent illustration to Mark's essay.

sirjohna, since you can't recognize satire for what it is, see the header at the top of the article below the Tyee masthead, which says Views. That might give you a clue....

I guess I'm one of those Canadians desperate for an election, too. I prefer substance. And I prefer people who are not stealing from me, even if they don't have the same style. Sorry.

I too got a chuckle from your article. Especially the projection bit.

Initially, I used to agonize whether the Campbell Libs/Bush/Harris/Charet etal were stupid or incompetent. I swung from both positions. Finally after much observation, I realize they're both. It takes a certain type of thought process to embrace Neo-Conservatism. One which ignores far too much to be considered 'thinking' in a any real sense.

I will take that as a vote for the stupid party. Now, that is stupid. Before trotting out the vote for us the Liberals are corrupt line, the Conservatives have a little leg work to do. You see, Canadians get a little anxious when they hear Stephen Harper finishing off his speeches with "thank you. God Bless Canada." It makes them think that Harper wants to take Canada in the same direction as George Bush took the States. They got a little concerned when Harper informed the PM that he had been "summoned" to Crawford for a meeting. It gave them the impression that Harper is a little confused as to just who the PM answers to. They get a little concerned when Harper says that red tories are not real conservatives and that what the Conservative party should emphasize, a la Republicans, is "moral values". See Rediscoverying the Right agenda.

Oh, what a welcome relief this article has been. Enough of CBC TV talking heads trying to talk around the issues -- this article punched right through all that media correctness garble gabble.

I wish the author would tackle the "unbiased" media members who are wetting their pants in anticipaation of a Reformatory government. You know, the Rex Murphy's, the Andrew Coyne's, the Marylou Findlay's and the Anthony Germain's of the (CBC) world. Man, you'd think they're all vying for the job of Conservative communications guru (especially Anthony Germain from Saturday morning radio's The House). Or maybe, the hosts of the Canadian versions of CNN or Fox TV. It's such fun to see the dough-heads skewered and their media acolytes spin in circles like so many demented insects over why the most recent polls show that vastly fewer Canadians like the ReformaTories than ever before.

Ya hit the ball outta the park with this one, Mark Leiren-Young. More, more!

Sunny

dweeby; oh...., so that's what satire is. in that case i guess every bullshit article the tyee pumps out must be satire. what a bunch of bloody hypocrites.

Now that we have concluded that Stephen Harper is really a very nice, bright guy, we can move on to look at the stupidity of Jacko Layton and his band of merry socialists, then move onto the ignorance of the Mr Dithers, the Liberal Prime Minister and his shipping industry.

But really, let us do justice and simply state that most politicians are a bunch of lunatics!

It is true, fanaticism makes people stupid. This is why the neocons are stupid, even though some of them might be of average intelligence.

You must be a huge fan of it, since you spend so much time here drinking in the bullshit and consorting with us hypocrites.

you're right deeby, i am a fan. in fact i appreciate it tremendously and respect their right to voice their opinion. very brave of them to have such a truly open forum and to accept such criticism from people like me. i like some of the articles too, but have a hard time dealing with some of the narrower lefties on the thread. too much whining and tired old cliches left over from the flower power generation.
anarcho; are you really an anarchist or is that just a cool name? very curious.

That's cool sirj. Flowerpower generation. It makes me think of underground newspapers. Remember? That's a powerful description isn't it? It was a powerful time. A different kind of freedom than GB espouses. It was a time of freedom of ideas. It's funny that some of the same players are in the White House. All they need now is the draft.

Somewhere I read, (can't remember now) someone noticed long hair was coming back in style and linked it as a symbol of attitudes changing away from neo-conservatism. It's interesting.

The idea of an underground press is kind of exciting. (smile)

While I enjoyed the article I think that its a mistake to paint the Conservatives as stupid. We're (and I'm speaking of those of us slightly to the left of the Conservatives) are lucky to live in a place like Canada where when neo-Cons speak, those around us laugh, 'cause we're in the majority. This exact same article could have been written about the Democrats in the USA. In the American culture which slides more and more to the right, anything critical or leftwing sounds stupid and so out-of-sync with American "common sense" that I'm sure lefties or any critical thinker must seem like robots with smoke pouring out of their heads. Anyway, to make a long story short I think we're underestimating the Conservatives. They've been playing their cards pretty decently while the Libs have been falling all over themselves. If this was a "fair" system we might be seeing PM Stephen Harper. Then again, if this was a "fair" system maybe the NDP would get to form government every once in a while!?!?!?

If it were a fair system, the politicians in both the Liberal party who are actually Neo-Cons, and the ones in the Conservative party and the anyone who is just inept and/or corrupt would not be in Ottawa.

As much as I believe most Neo-Cons are stupid, I don't underestimate them. I think they aren't restricted by moral conduct, or by a sense of fair play. I don't think they have a conscience, or a developed capacity for empathy. They also appear to utilize and even enjoy, ganging up on powerless people and just not care about people whose blood and sweat and taxes built up our institutions for future generations and to whom we have a debt and obligation towards. They aren't restricted by loyalty to their country either. However, those who are not stupid, but lack standards are equally as limited. I understand they can be dangerous when given any power and that they've caused a lot of damage to Canada and to Canadians.

I'm not talking about some of you here who are evolving and on the political right. I'm talking about the hard right, diehard Neo-Con.

Stephen Harper does not deserve to be Prime Minister. Nothing he has done merits it. I heard someone on the radio suggest that Belinda's father engineered her career. She was supposed to win the Conservative leadership and when she didn't and it was clear the New Conservatives were doomed to continue falling in the polls, her father and his team moved her over to the Liberals and set their sights on the eventual Liberal leadership. Perhaps having Ontario's budget under Eves delivered at Magna wasn't sufficient, and he has his eye on Ottawa. Mind you, I doubt whether Belinda had anything at all in common with Harper etal. And, McKay is like the guy healthy women ignore socially, because he's a combo of an immature frat boy and serial womanizer. In other words, not attractive to a woman with self-esteem.

It is deeply disturbing to see someone as unqualified and non-deserving as Belinda S elevated to cabinet. Believe me, I understand the Liberals today are actually, if not actually Neo-Conservative, mostly under their influence. They pushed real Liberals to the side during their bloodless coup.

It is called the Stupid Party, because it is a Stupid Party for stupid people. So what's new about that ? Ed Deak, Big Lake.

"They pushed real Liberals to the side during their bloodless coup."

Indeed, one needs look no further than our provincial pretenders to see they're but LINO's.

yet another brilliant post from Big Lake's resident intellectual. is that why they call it the hinterlands ed?

No, the "heartlands", now being torn out with obsidian knives by the new breed of Aztec priests and thrown into stone towers to please the Money God of free trade globalization. The main ideology of the Stupid Party and its stupid followers, stupidly waiting for the promised wealth for everyone. Operation successful, patient dead. Ed Deak, Big Lake.

ed; you'd better put another log on the fire and smoke another fatty before you blow a gasket, or wear out your manual.

Don't worry about me friend ! I'm having a ball cutting up people, like you, suffering from cognitive dissonance and masochism. Ed Deak, Big Lake.

I suppose the article is a bit over the top...typical Juvenalian satire.

In terms of actual stupidity, many of them aren't. However they've inherited the bane of the Reform/Alliance: social conservatives who are, at the very least, politically stupid.

Ever since the inception of Reform, one of them can be counted on to shoot the party in the political foot, like clockwork, about every six months.

Did anyone else notice the background arrangement of flags on that photo of McKay and Harper? Amazing how something as simple as a red mapleleaf can be look so much like a completely different symbol when half-sliced and placed in a single straight conforming row, even when there's no black in it.

I will never underestimate Harper or his strategists. They almost destroyed the PC Party. I wouldn't call them stupid, but they are as my mother would say "too clever by half".

Their takeover strategy was brilliant. Manipulating Peter Mackay was apparently easy. But they also fooled a lot of others with real political sense into this crazed "unite the right" strategy. And it nearly worked.

They nearly took down the Progressive Conservative party for good. Ultimately they failed, and after a lot of hard work we have rebuilt the PC Party, reregistered it and put it back on the ballot. But the damage they did was collosal.

And I think it's fashionable to think that the electorate can be fooled, but apparently this is not the case. They have seen Harper and his party for what they are -- and they don't want it.

Our members, our candidates are finding that whenever we get the message out that the PC Party is back - we get a very positive response. So far from stupid, Harper and his crew are smart. But thankfully, not as smart as the voters.

Jim Love
President, Progressive Canadian (PC) Party

jim; if things go well for your pc's, how long do you estimate it will take before they could compete for national government?

Harper is definitely the most dangerous politician in Canada today, supported by the best mindbenders corporate money can buy. From an artist's point of view, I can see a Mulroney in him, without the chin. Empty, expressionless, cold, brutal eyes. A face impervious to any suffering, provided he can satisfy his insatiable greed. I could never look at Mulroney as a human being either. More like a wind up robot.

Now Jim, where does your Party stand on NAFTA, Chapter 11 especially and more especially on the GATS ? Ed Deak, Big Lake.

ed; i find it very difficult to take you seriously when you make such ridiculous statements. it's a common thread among you lefties. what's the name of the manual that you guys get all this garbage from anyway? is it supplied free of charge (more likely gov't subsidy) by rabble.ca?

jimlove, you are right about one thing, stupid is as stupid does. Most spin doctors spend way too much time in Harpers dillusionary bubble, the one that is about to be burst like a over-filled ballon -- thanks to GrewalGate.
He has confirmed the ROC's worst fears, that the Conservatives really do have a hidden agenda, and they will do anything not to find out. markalanwhittle.blogspot.com

sirwhatever, frankly, my dear I don't give a damn, so you might as well save your fingertips for your navelwatching. Ed Eeak, Big Lake.

i'd just like to know if you impress all the hicks with your pretentious vocabulary and your tired cliches ed.

Mark's article reminded me of my take on Harper recently. I saw him as the black sheriff in "Blazing Saddles" riding into a hostile crowd holding his gun to his head and announcing that "... if anyone moves the black guy gets it." He really is his own worst enemy.

The Progressive Conservative (Forward Backward) Party used to periodically circle the wagons and begin firing inward, usually when faced with a golden opportunity.
Interesting (in a weird sort of way) to see these Conservatives have apparently inherited the self-destruct gene.

If Peter McKay hadn't disolved the PC party they would be flying high in the polls and would be a real threat to the Liberals. The Reform/Canadian Alliance wanted only one thing, the name and they got it. They are still the scary branch plant of the american republican party where no idea is too wacky just call it right-wing.

"The time has come to recognize that the U.S. will continue to exercise unprecedented power in a world where international rules are still unreliable and where security and advancing of the free democratic order still depend significantly on the possession and use of military might."

- Stephen Harper, May, 2003, speech to the Institute for Research on Public Policy.

stupid and scary as hell. find more here: http://www.notacolony.ca/HarperonUSA.htm

Unpalatable as it seems, the two choices we have for governing (sic) this country in the immediate future are The "Stupid" Party and The "Corrupt" Party. (I must allow that, at this time, we do not know the IQ's of any individual Conservatives nor are any of the current Liberals under investigation for the "Sponsorship Scandal".)

Though i would not cast my vote for either of these parties, i would be more comfortable with criminals running the country than with stupid, ignorant, wacko, bigots; at least one can reason with a criminal ie. appeal to their sense of self preservation or advancement.

The Conservatives should be on the way to a majority, but because of their bone-head moves, they are out of luck, atleast in the short-term. Why wouldn't they dump Harper, get an Ontario Conservative elected as leader who is atleast somewhat close to the middle on social issues, and win the next election? As someone explained it to me, the Conservatives will not move significantly off their "principles" even if it means they will never form government. The core of the party refuses to move to the middle. That's fine, but everyone else who actually wants to get into government to supposedly make things better, better jump ship. You aint forming government under the Conservative Party of Canada.

"Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest."
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*--Alexandre Dumas

I think Lincoln said something similar, that one should always hope ones enemies are rogues rather than fools, since wickedness has some sort of logic behind it. There is no telling how much damage a fool can do. Unfortunately, I can't find the quote.

If it's a choice between the two I'd prefer the fool at the helm. At least, one will have the occasional laugh.

I will accept the honest mistake of one who may learn over the actions of the venal rogue who is out to steal us blind.

The problem with corrupt fools is that they think that any crooked idea that comes into their heads is a message from heaven. Unless, of course, as in the case of Harper et al, they've studied neoclassical economics at universities, in which case corruption becomes a "science" Ed Deak, Big Lake.

Reform-a-Tories are just Bush-league. Dumb-Ass AND self-interested.

David Cay Johnston, the New York Times reporter who specializes in the US tax system, has come up with some staggering figures on what he calls "the hyper-rich," the wealthiest one-thousandth of the population, and their taxes.

-- "The share of the nation's income earned by those in this uppermost category has more than doubled since 1980. ... The share of income earned by the rest of the top 10 percent rose far less, and the share earned by the bottom 90 percent fell."

-- "Under the Bush tax cuts, the 400 taxpayers with the highest income -- a minimum of $87 million in 2000, the last year for which the government will release such data -- now pay income, Medicare and Social Security taxes amounting to virtually the same percentage of their incomes as people making $50,000 to $75,000."

-- "Those earning more than $10 million a year now pay a lesser share of their income in these taxes than those making $100,000 to $200,000."

-- "The alternative minimum tax, created 36 years ago to make sure the very richest paid taxes, takes back a growing share of the Bush tax cuts over time from the majority of families earning $75,000 to $1 million -- thousands and even tens of thousands annually. Far fewer of the very wealthiest will be affected by this tax."

-- Under the Bush tax plan, by 2015, those making between $80,000 and $400,000 will be paying as much as 14 percent more of their incomes than those who are hyper-rich. (All figures are from the Times.)

No way I will vote to let ReformaTories anywhere near power.

So now the conservatives are "stupid" and the party that has never formed a federal government is full of "geniuses".

You NDPers sure talk a big game for people who have never had a sniff of power or influenece.

How does using American tax statisitics relate in any way to Canada?

Does anyone ever respond to this JIm guy? Or is he just a troll?

Coming a little late to the party, but I want to congratulate Mark on a fine piece of commentary. I would dearly love to see an alternative to the Liberals take shape in this country, but the current crop of "conservatives" aren't it! Given a choice between voting for a gang of corrupt old school boys and a gang of not-verey-bright bigots (which, come to think of it, is a redundancy), I'll hold my nose and vote for the corruption -- at least I know what they're up to!

And Mark, if you're looking for a write-it-itself tale of political slapstick, you might check out the constituents who have the (dis)pleasure of being "represented" (yeah, right!) by the inscrutable Mrs. Grewal

I'll repeat

How does using American tax statistics relate in any way to Canada?

JIm, considering that the reform-a-tories campaigned on an american style taxcuttostimulatetheeconomy mantra, discussing american tax statistics very much relates to canada. also, nobody here equated a party's aggregate intellect with the ability to form government.

JIm, to what degree will the Conservatives have a sniff of influence or power in the near future? LOL! The NDP actually changed the Liberal budget! Not bad for a party with only 19 seats. What a bunch of smartypantses!

Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that this article is brilliant.
Now if we can just present the Consevative/Reform/Alliance/Progressise Conservative Party with information that they cannot understand, we can do Canada a favour and finally discard this crap party to the dumpster from where it emerged.

There must be some Anarcho-Surrealist culture jamming activists out there who have some good ideas on this.

Dear Tyee editor,

How come this article just arrived in my e-mail inbox dated June 10 and some of the comments are posted then — three days ago?

I can't believe how many comments on this site sound like Liberal party schills.

What is anyone going to do to top(bottom?) what Liberals have done to Canada over their share of the last 40 years?

Can no one be a Canadian unless they come from Ontario,Chris? Can no one else ever hope to govern unless they are from Quebec or Ontario?

Surely a purportedly left wing site like this should have a contingent of people who are concerned when the old age pension fund is looted to balance a budget! Surely some of you care that the Employment insurance fund has been similarly looted! Surely, no matter your position right or left, you care that the standard of living has fallen from no. 2 in the world to somewhere around no. 20? Don't your kids have to live in this country too? or are all of you independently wealthy?

Do you really think anyone could do worse? And that doesn't even touch the corruption issue.

What makes people think the choice is between corupt and stupid? Nobody knows the level of corruption that exists in the harper party. What measures have they formulated to get rid of coruption in the system?
NONE?
If it is just a changing of the guard,
relief from the spectacle of corruption will be very brief and the corruption will be going on in the background just like before.
The Libs successfully hid their fiddling for years. What is going to stop Harper from doing the same? I dont see any obsticles to him doing the same thing. For sure, he will not spend money to tell the Quebec people that canada is the best place in the world. So what will he spend sponsership money on? Canadian little house on the prarie? NOPE. Well, maybe,as long sd it will be open to bids from south of the border.
Tax relief for church goers?
Perhaps, he will bring in censorship? Tyee will not be allowed because it has no ballance

Grouch, all of those issues are very important and real to me and, I suspect to most people on this site --- well, maybe not the issue about where the PM comes from. But definitely UI, pension, the legacy we leave our children particularly in terms of environmental degradation and looted resources. All important.

I have no faith in the ability of the Reform-Tories to improve conditions and services, and no trust in their will to do so. I think they will sell us out, embroil us in disastrous wars, claw-back our rights, set up a Theocracy, gut our programs and leave us far worse off than the Liberals.

This said, the only time I like Liberals is when the NDP hold the balance of power.

@Just me:

You get a weekly email alerting you to articles posted in the last week here; articles are posted daily. If you want to be timely, you need to visit the site daily ;-)

Te Aro Arahina,
If you've noticed,the Liberals don't have any long term policy except to keep themselves in power. They stole policy from the NDP for years and they stole it from Reform more recently. I think they can only be relied on to sell out to whatever looks like it will keep them in power.

You may be right about the Conservatives. They have degenerated quite a lot trying to take votes in Ontario.

I think we would have been better served by someone like Preston Manning who at least appeared reliable and honest - and who knew that some of Canada lay west of the Ontario border.

It's a shame (or maybe a sign of the times)
that discussions like this have lost track of the fact that as among people of good conscience, right and left wing theory are only different routes to the same goal.It really doesn't pay to denigrate those people as it leads to leadership like we've seen since Pierre Trudeau was elected.

You have as much right to opinion as I do,but let me draw your attention to the Prime Minister's origins. Consider the outcry if it were obvious that no one from East of the Ontario border could be elected Prime Minister.

Mark,

Hilarious recounting of benighted bamboozlings of Steve-H and the Bloc Alberta hoser patrol. His affinity with Gilles Duceppe, fellow blochead is therefore more believable.

A former head of the Canadian Tax Prayer De-Fenestration and Gilles, separatist, social democrat. Priceless.

Principled Tory name calling (the 3 Belinda Bs, Billionaire Bambi Bitch) was also top notch, and it wasn't even the amazing Randy this time.
The Grewal affair gives Harper that perfect Son of Flubber opportunity. Except the ReformaToriesâ„¢ are on the downside of the bounce.

Deny the obvious, keep stonewalling and blame it on PM PM. Beyootiful.

'Dem Bay Street boys are looking for some ROI from Steve-H, the night of the long knives will soon be upon us...

Hilarious article, alright, and Reynolds and Harper defending Grewal on TV a couple of weeks ago made me think these guys are definitely stupid. But smart people sometimes do stupid things, depending on how desperate they become.

This sounds like the Mission statement of the Liberal party

Quote"
As much as I believe most Neo-Cons are stupid, I don't underestimate them. I think they aren't restricted by moral conduct, or by a sense of fair play. I don't think they have a conscience, or a developed capacity for empathy. They also appear to utilize and even enjoy, ganging up on powerless people and just not care about people whose blood and sweat and taxes built up our institutions for future generations and to whom we have a debt and obligation towards. They aren't restricted by loyalty to their country either. However, those who are not stupid, but lack standards are equally as limited. I understand they can be dangerous when given any power and that they've caused a lot of damage to Canada and to Canadians. end Quote"

Although I enjoy the the alternative viewpoint of the Tyee and the quality of some of the posters. I am saddened by some posters who have a virulent “need” to attack people who have a different viewpoints. It is immature and not a healthy way to maintain a democracy.

I fully agree that the Conservatives have not managed to profit from the scandals handed to them on a silver platter, I think this has more to do with the fact that the Conservatives have only recently coalesced into the current party and are still trying develop policy and platforms. Plus also dealing with discipline and residue from the diverse opinions.

As for the stupidity accusations, I have no doubt that each party has some very non-stellar candidates. But I would like to present a Conservative who has impressed me with his determination to protect the rights of Canadians like myself who are lawful firearms owners. Garry Breitkreuz, MP has relentless gone after the Liberals on both the Firearms Act and the appalling gun registry. I wished that more MPs would show this sort of dedication. I have included a link for an example of some of the work he does.

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article200.doc

hey Colin...just how sad are you?? I've got an idea...why don't you take your lawfully registered gun..stick it in your ear and pull the trigger....nothing right?? OK..that didn't work...why don't you do us all a favour and take that gun over to the U of C and empty it into every dinosaur you can find in the polysci department....we need to be more proactive in fighting global warming and there's a lot of hot air escaping from the neocon orifices in that mouldy institution

Stop calling it the Reform tories! What's wrong with just calling them the conservatives, as that is exactly what they are. They've lost all the reform party ideas!

Senatorial reform: gone. Regionalism: gone. Concern with good government: gone.

The reform party was actually based on good ideas, even if it did have some characters, the mistake it made was when it decided it needed to become a national party. The reform pary should have never crossed the red river! They should have left the PCs and Fibs fight for the big O, and implemented reform.

The tories of today are the tories of yesterday, though more right socially. But they are not the idealists seeking good economics, government, and justice of the past, they are opportunists.

Down with federalism, long live the provinces!

They're not conservatives; they're Conservatives. It's different. If they were conservative, they'd want to conserve things, protect things, rights and programs and things. But they're not, they're Conservatives, so not so much so.

Besides, what's wrong with calling them Reformatories? It's accurate, clever and better than some of the things they've called themselves?

Didn't they once name themselves CCRAP?

they will forever be CCRAP to me... CCRAP is as CCRAP does

redrivergirl:

I think you have just described the Liberals as well. They are two sides of the same coin, and both pay homage to that mighty god "King Coin". Don't listen to the words. Watch what they do.
http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/node/view/164

I agree that the crew that has control of the CPC

Hi Rick,

I agree that the crew that has control of the CPC right now, fits your generalization. Sadly. They have no idea what the responsibility of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is designed to be in the Parliamentary system.

I'd like a spot on the next ballot headed "Declined to Vote" - then when the majority of persons chose that option, none of the political parties would get money from the Elex'n Expenses Act - our fedtreas, in other words.

That might just keep them at the job, instead of manufax'ring elex'ns that we have to pay for.

Harper's success in uniting the right, personally coming out on top and denying the Liberals another majority certainly wasn't stupid. But I think even many Conservatives agree that they've made some pretty "stupid" blunders lately, as Mark points out. Could it be that Belinda wasn't the only one blinded by "Blond Ambition"?

I think it goes beyone Harper's ability to lead, or the blunders. I think it is that the public isn't going to be easily snookered anymore because they have seen the results of Harris/Campbell?Bush etal and now understand about Neo-Conservatism. They could only do well as long as they could pretend not to be who they really are. That's gone now. And, it isn't Harpers fault. It's critical mass.

As far as describing the Liberals too. I agree, the party has been infiltrated with Neo-Conservatism as well.

"....pretend not to be who they are ...."

Pretty solid assessment, rrgrl

I always thought Preston Manning was a good man. The crap that was slung never stuck on him and he retired before taking his proper place.... a shot at a few years of reform and financial responsibility. Yeah that would have really set us back.... The short term pain that's coming will be so much harder to swallow for not having had his guidance. I kept asking people why don't you like Preston? I never got a straight answer, or one that was truthful anyway. Funny how we disect every word, look, twitch, their attire, posture, until the charachter is completely assasinated by people who have never met the man. We are looking for reforms in voting, STV, reform in education and the young offenders act, reform in everything but ourselves. It's always somebody or something else. Of course none of you need to change, do you? You recycle and don't pollute or buy things that are not needed. You're teaching your children how to be good global citizens and respect their neighbors, right. Right?

fiscal responsibility: that is the BIG LIE that right wing parties including CCRAP always try and get us to swallow. Clubofrome has stupidly undermined his lichtspittle diatribe by revealing, in his choice of handle, that he is just another moron enamoured with the imperialistic actions of the military/industrial complex.
Break out the brownshirts... we've got one more for the camps....I calls it "ethical cleansing"...nice ring to it n'est pas???

clubofrome:

That's why they dumped Manning. He was proposing actual fiscal reform, whereas the Martin/Chretien Libs, and the Harper/Flanagan Cons merely want to divert monies currently being spent on We, the Citizens, to their friends/colleagues/fellow conspirators.
Cynical or what.....? But like I say, don't listen to what they say, look at what they do.....

sleepswithangels:

http://www.clubofrome.org/docs/limits.rtf
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/clubofrome.htm

?????????????????????????

redrivergirl:

I don't know, RRG! The public is scared to death to vote NDP, having been 'snookered' by both the Libs and the Cons.....

hi RW

what's up with the ???????
Are you trying to say that CoR has not been co-opted by the MIC?

sleeps; are you hombre trying to sneak in here under another name because you were such a classless fool that you were censured under the old format? or are you just another idiotic lefty ideologue who wouldn't know reality if it bit him on his tie-dyed nipple? get a life clownboy.

if I had been using this site with another handle I would have already ripped you to pieces...for others reading this, check out the latest posts on the "god squad" blog..johna asked if I was a crackhead..this is what I replied:

is that all you've got johna? do you really think that most people who visit this site haven't already pegged you as a pathetic wannabe right wing pundit whose POV is lifted straight out of some Canwest rag..you would have just a teeny bit more credibility if you had not adopted the handle you did.. asking if I'm a crackhead just confirms what everybody knows...you don't have a life outside of these blogs
why don't you ask clubofrome (see Canada's Stupid Party blog) if you can join
lololololololol

this site has lost it's appeal for the time being so I'll bid all the conscious people out there adieu

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...mage050615.html
Coming soon to a barbecue near you: A warmer, funnier Stephen Harper

So.....there are parts of Canada that are NOT so nice? A fine attitude from someone who wants to be leader of the country! Or maybe only part of the country? Like the "nicer parts".....? And what about the rest of the country? Give it to the Yankees? Or let it rot and give the "nicer parts" to the Yankees................?

angel:

Has it been? If so, how so?

Not more CPC-inspired, summer barbeques, please!!

That's how he did his "coming out" two summers ago, wasn't it? I think the first one was in Steinbach, Manitoba. Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. Harper can quit flipping that weenie - it's done, already. Canadians don't want an elex'n right now and they don't want Harper .... ever. As long as he's selling his fundie/christian dogma under the guise of politix, he can keep his campfire weenies-we-all-know-what-his-weenies-are-made-of-now-anyway.

When he "called Stronach into the principal's office" over her hotel/holidaying with MacKay, he dropped the final veil for most Canadians, methinx. Doubters he could have saved that move from being identified for what it is, even if he had called in MacKay, too.

IMHO.

Anybody leadership hopefuls in the bullpen? I'm betting on MacKay. If MacKay can throw fast balls and avoid the screw balls, I think Ontario will look, once again, at the Conservatives. Heaven knows, (I didn't say that, did I?) MacKay is keeping close by the throne.

IMHO.

Next!?!!?

Hello RW

The following two links are admittedly a little on the paranoid side and the passage below the links was lifted from a link you posted yesterday in response to my posting which ripped a new one for 'clubofrome'.I think it reasonable for sane people to assume that any global organization such as Club of Rome will indeed be controlled by factions answering to the leaders of the MIC. The reality of US military bases all over the planet and the fact of US hegemony underlines the obvious.

I will be monitoring the tyee on a regular basis but will only contribute occasionally in order to get my jollies poking fun at the pathetic collection of right wing posters on this site. It appears that I have ruffled quite a few feathers this week. How sweet it is.

http://www.policestateplanning.com/nwo_speech.htm
http://www.bilderberg.org

Kissinger's role in destabilizing the United States by means of three wars, the Middle East, Korea and Vietnam, is well known, as is his role in the Gulf War, in which the U.S. Army acted as mercenaries for the Committee of 300 in bringing Kuwait back under its control and at the same time making an example out of Iraq so that other small nations would not be tempted to work out their own destiny. The Club of Rome, acting on Committee of 300 orders to eliminate General ul Haq, had no compunction in sacrificing the lives of a number of U.S. servicemen on board the flight, including a U.S. Army Defense Intelligence Agency group headed by Brigadier General Herber Wassom. General ul Haq had been warned by the Turkish Secret Service not to travel by plane, as he was targeted for a mid-air bombing. With this in mind, ul Haq took the United States team with him as "an insurance policy," as he commented to his inner circle advisors.
Club of Rome and its financiers under the title of the German Marshall Fund were two highly-organized conspiratorial bodies operating under cover of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and that the majority of Club of Rome executives were drawn from NATO. The Club of Rome formulated all of what NATO claimed as its policies and, through the activities of Committee of 300 member Lord Carrington, was able to split NATO into two factions, a political (left wing) power group and its former military alliance. The Club of Rome is still one of the most important foreign policy arms of the Committee of 300, and the other being the Bilderbergers. It was put together in 1968 from hard-core members of the original Morgenthau group on the basis of a telephone call made by the late Aurellio Peccei for a new and urgent drive to speed up the plans of the One World Government now called the New World Order. Peccei's call was answered by the most subversive "future planners" drawn from the United States, France, Sweden, Britain, Switzerland and Japan that could be mustered.

Here's another example of stupid. This week Jay Hill, the conservative house leader, offered to let the budget pass (presumably along with the NDP side deal) in exchange for delaying the vote on Same Sex Marriage.

Good strategy eh? -- A deal that if accepted by the Liberals would have pissed off voters who are fiscal, but not social, conservatives (in not one, but two different ways even). Oh and by the way these would be the very voters who the conservatives desparately need to attract in urban Canada and Ontario.

The Progressive Conservative Party is history. It has apparently been replaced by the Non Progressive, Conservative, Separatist and Socialist Party of Canada.

LOL Rick its so true, hey conservative values, you know that budget we have been bashing for weeks, you know that deal with the devil stuff. Well gee lets vote to pass it so we slow the bill on gay marriage. In short nothing matters to the stupid party more than 2 gay guys feeling normal. Even thought Steven has been in bed with Gilles for weeks. LOL.

And how about the McKay story, you know poor Peter at the farm with Jack the dog. A little over the top, one media critic said that Peter is good looking and very successful so maybe you know
"he's never been dumped" I hope Barbara S hooks up with David Orchard.

Funny side bar, the rumor has it that Barbara S was partying hard the day she crossed the floor, she was spotted at a Liberal watering hole on stage singing "I am a material girl"

How on earth can the party with the 2nd # of seats in the house lose power to
The NDP with 19 seats. LOL, Steven is now on the barbeque circuit. Maybe sporting
A new haircut.

Here's another great faux pas from the Stupid Party:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...mage050615.html
Coming soon to a barbecue near you: A warmer, funnier Stephen Harper

So.....there are parts of Canada that are NOT so nice? A fine attitude from someone who wants to be leader of the whole danged country! Or maybe only part of the country? Like the "nicer parts".....? And what about the rest of the country? Give it to the Yankees? Or let it rot and give the "nicer parts" to the Yankees................?

"Sleeps with sheep" I would like to say that everyones opinion is worth listening to, but since you prefer personal attacks over anything that resembles intellegent discusion I will not be sad to see you go. I hope to see you on the ice soon though, in Prince George. That way we could have a proper F--- you contest before I rip you a "new one." Please don't forget to sign you organ donor card too! You are definately the tail gating, lane hopping, pass on the shoulder, blame eveyone else type, soon to be the cause of another deadly, 7 car pile up. I could go on but perhaps you really are gone.

Anf the Risible Right strikes again! This time they are trying to package Harper as a "funny guy". Yuk Yuk... pun intended. They just don't get it.

I have no doubt that various individuals and groups have tried to redirect the human population within their influence in one particular way or another. I also have absolute confidence that the quirks of human nature will always muck up their plans.

Let me guess this group has a team of wooden puppets to carry out their handiwork?

sleeps gone to cuba for the weekend to hang out with likeminded naive lefty victimites. saved up his welfare cheques and put in some extra hours panhandling decent hard-working folk who pull their weight in society. you know, all those neo-con fascists that he hates so much. he'll be back soon enough. can't live long without the handouts, and he'll learn soon enough that he ain't gettin' any in castroland.

To C o R and other assorted droolers:

Whoa..got your blood up eh? That might be a good thing in your case...some of it might reach your brain. Seriously now, I am curious to know what your motivation was for choosing Club of Rome as your handle. With freebc and sirjohna it's painfully/hillariously obvious that these two are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. I found a posting elsewhere on this site where freebc actually states that he hates Canada. If he had demonstrated any redeeming qualities other than his willingness to bare his soul I might have gone a little easier on him. Sirjohna, on the other hand, needed a reality check in the worst way and while he is off licking his wounds, he should contemplate why, with his lack of intellect( as he has just proven once again moments ago), he would choose to embarass himself in public by calling himself sirjohna. It smells like a steaming, great pile of low self esteem.
Getting back to you....you chose to identify yourself with a global body intent on forming a New World Order....this is no different from labelling yourself as 'cruisemissle' or B-1bomber' or 'I'magenocidalmaniac'. Based on the pugalistic tone of your posting inviting me to be your punching bag in Prince George I'd have to say that maybe Hedy Fry was right about your (red)neck of the woods. I'd lay cash money on a bet that you were a bully in school as well.
I can hear the hot under the collar fascista out there, who made it through psych 101, thinking that sleepswithangels is betraying a possible lack of his own self esteem by attacking all these dim witted, defenseless, cretinous right wingers. In my defense, after saying FOAD, I am very clear about serving a useful purpose...exposing right wing/fundamentalist ideology as the danger to life and liberty that it so obviously is. And to all the left of center posters out there who decry rude, off the topic, personal attacks...kiss my ass. It is long past time to toughen up and face down the bullies of this world before they completely destroy it.

great post sleeps. it's wonderful to see that there are still lefties dumb enough to support no-mind users like hedy fry. we love freaks like you b/c as long as you're out there the left will always be where it belongs in this great province, i.e. in opposition.

baiting techniques and other fishing metaphors

Both "Beware the Tory God Squad" and "Canada's Stupid Party" were two tailor made opinion pieces for me to employ the techniques I used this week to land some 'suckers' and other assorted 'bottom feeders'. If you study the threads from both articles it should be obvious that I was deliberately baiting both left and right of center posters. It will also be obvious that the left of center posters had the smarts not to bite...just a wee grumble or two. The right wingers were the only ones that did take the bait and were duly netted, clubbed and gutted.
This should be an object lesson for all but I suspect the right of center types will gape at this post, flap their gills, blink a few times....and...nothing...lights are on..nobody's home.
You will also notice that before I started baiting these fools they actually had something to say and I suspect that their opinions were appreciated by the other posters so I will bow out now and leave you folks to your turf....until the next golden opportunity.

sleeps; you need help dude.

Well sleepwithangels if baiting people is what you enjoy doing then perhaps it is you that needs to do a rethink. Most people that I see that bait other people do it because they feel insecure about something.

chheeeze - inimitable

wear a mask?

Arming customs and immigration officials:

Nobody should mistake a customs tax official, for a force deployed to repel dangerous invaders.

It may be sexy to have a gun, but their job is to assess the value and legality of people and products entering Canada. They won't make the action movie hero list, so don't give them the opportunity to think they can. Any of the "High Noon" stuff can be done by the professionals - whom they can, as do we, phone them up to attend.

Hello - we're talking about the 39th parallel ... not the Berlin Wall.

Just an opinion

Colin
You are the guy that owns a gun and you think I have something to be insecure about... You are right on the money...I feel insecure about fools like you.

My motivation for choosing a name. Hmmm....to draw you out and expose you for the petting zoo molester that you are. At what point did do you come to the conclusion that you were significant? Because you get a rise out of people here? Blood up, that's a good one. I like the discription of you being a squeegee kid with your hand out. You've probably got some of my money already! Of course you are far to skinny to make a good punching bag, which is what we right wingers really want. To force you all into gas guzzling SUV's and keep you poor, in debt and stupid. Oh ya, and uniformed or should that be misinformed as in your case. Have you actually read "limits to growth?" Good for you if you have but why spew the nonsense about New World Order. You've been drinking too much Michael Moore, try some Noam Chomsky decaf for a while. I suggest you take up some sort of hobby, I'll check back once a week or so to see how you are doing. I hope in some small way I can help you, besides tossing you a looney for the windshield service.

Sleepwithangels
Actually your ignorance is showing, Because I am a lawful firearms owner I have to practice far more care than you. I can not make idle threats, argue with my wife outside, have any drug offences against me and even have to be careful about drinking in public. If someone threatens me or my family, I have to practice far more restraint than you. The courts will hold me to a higher standard than the average person.

I am also subject to searches that would have the Civil liberty groups screaming blue murder if any other group was subject to them. As a police officer friend of mine said: “If you are a gun owner, you are considered guilty till proven innocent”.

I won’t bother going into a long list of complaints about the Firearms Act or the Canadian Firearms Centre, except to say, think of the worst bureaucratic bungling you have ever dealt with and multiple it by 5.

So do you think everyone that doesn’t agree with you is a fool? Must be a small pond you are swimming in.

I got rid of my guns for the very reasons you quote colin, but then I don't really need them for self defense either!

It would seem that I have struck a nerve or two.It is also quite clear that those I have provoked will continue to expose their ignorance for all to see. What fun!
The poor bashing is very telling..it exposes so much about their character and lack of humanity. Of course that is so typical of right wingers...and Colin....why so defensive about your gun? Doesn't it keep you warm at night? With a gun..who needs Viagra? All that hard, rigid metal ejaculating hot lead.

Ha! Sleepswithangels you are a one trick pony. Thank you for proving my previous point. I guess this is what I get for talking to a self professed troll.

Ursus

That’s shame that you got rid of them. I almost did the same but then realized that was exactly what the government was trying to do, they make everything a huge hassle so you will give up. I now make it a point to shoot, teach other people to shoot responsibly and to enjoy themselves. Interesting enough, since the inception of the Firearms Act and gun registry, sales of new handguns are up in Canada. I am also pleased to see that more woman are coming into the sport.

I highly recommend that you reconsider. If you don’t have your PAL the course is not to hard and well thought out. In fact I would say that the PAL course is one of the few good things that came out of this, it is decently done. Call up your local range or do a search on the Internet.
You can have fun and thumb your nose at the Liberals at the same time!

SLEEPS'

Take the gun barrel out of your mouth, sleeps.

This just in: Remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine falls for the 14 year old movie critic. Remind you of anyone here? Nice try sleepswithsheep. Just before you go permanently on "ignore" there is one more thing. Those who can't play nice in the sandbox eventually play alone. I strongly advise you to take up a team sport while you are still in your teens, this will develop character. Might I suggest Hockey or Baseball. These are sports where you will have teammates, people who will keep you honest. They don't put up with selfish punks, so you would actually have to try and fit in to get along. As you get older you'll see that these are useful skills in life. Good luck kid! It's sometimes tough out there maybe you should wear a helmet.

Yes Colin..I'm trolling all right...trolling for ethically challenged proponents of dangerous ideologies. You must think that left wing posters are all as careless in our comments as you are and that we will not connect the dots between the various threads on this site. On the thread dealing with marijuana issues you mentioned "treating a local fisherman" implying that you are a medical professional. You spent a lot of time on that thread casting doubts about the safety and efficacy of MJ which has been proven to be one of the least toxic drugs on the planet..it has an LD (lethal dose) factor of 650. Whether you are an MD, ND or other type of practitioner it would have been intellectually honest for you to state that MJ deserves consideration for legalization with appropriate controls given that synthetic medicines are so dangerous..after all millions are killed or made ill every year by these toxic medicines. But no..what we have here is a gun toting, right wing medical professional who spends a lot of time on a left wing site trying to be what...the voice of reason? Why not come clean...tell us what it's like shoot bears, birds, deer.
But no you protest..I just shoot targets. Me too asshole..and I just scored a bullseye.
Clubofrome...obviously you can't see the irony of being a right wing poster on a left wing site who continues to reveal how angry and hateful you are on a thread about Canada's Stupid Party. I would suggest an MJ suppository for you but I don't think there would be any room for it.
And last and definitely least..Big Roy..enough wishful thinking for you. Why don't you go down to the 39th parallel(see BigRoy's posting above) and make sure it doesn't move. Dumber than a barge load of feathers.

I will only answer to one comment. At the time of the incident I was a certified Rescue Specialist in the Canadian Coast Guard and was treating the person as part of my duties as such.

Hey Colin..what's the matter..no courage to defend the indefensible? Very wise..just lay low..it might blow over

So in summary, let me briefly recap. The poll is in, and Preston Mannings approval rating would be at 79 points! Unheard of in this day and age, but of course Preston was from a different era with different values. We will miss what might have been. These modern day idiots have completely blown the public trust and that includes NDP, Conservatives and Liberals. So you know who that leaves don't you. Yes my friends you'll all be voting Green next time out. Like they could do worse.

That sounds like a push poll to me..no doubt that the survey was conducted in Calgary..even if they claim differently, who is going to bother to waste the time to check. Hard to believe that Canadians have forgotten that Manning presided over the most racist and sexist bunch of buffoons ever to slither around Ottawa only to be eclipsed by the current band of CCRAP dolts.
I realize that clubofrome has taken a shine to the totalitarian stylings of the Green party and that he doesn't have the intellect or the guts to tackle me head on any more..other than physically but I fail to see why an obviously phony poll would give him such joy...oh yeah, I forgot..brain damage...too many pucks to the head.

Preston Manning ...and the Green Party...wow! together they really test the saturation point for self-righteousness...their cups virtually overflow with it...

Lynn
This thread is about "Canada's Stupid Party"..how far behind can their stupid supporters be? Here are the choice passages from Mark Leiren Young's article:
“They (stupid people) act like self destructing robots when faced with a situation they can’t understand and they actually spew smoke and rattle and jump up and down,” says Nerenberg."
Now let's reread clubofrome's moronic attack on me:
"My motivation for choosing a name. Hmmm....to draw you out and expose you for the petting zoo molester that you are. At what point did do you come to the conclusion that you were significant? Because you get a rise out of people here? Blood up, that's a good one. I like the discription of you being a squeegee kid with your hand out. You've probably got some of my money already! Of course you are far to skinny to make a good punching bag, which is what we right wingers really want. To force you all into gas guzzling SUV's and keep you poor, in debt and stupid. Oh ya, and uniformed or should that be misinformed as in your case. Have you actually read "limits to growth?" Good for you if you have but why spew the nonsense about New World Order. You've been drinking too much Michael Moore, try some Noam Chomsky decaf for a while. I suggest you take up some sort of hobby, I'll check back once a week or so to see how you are doing. I hope in some small way I can help you, besides tossing you a looney for the windshield service."
What does that sound like to you? Instead of trying to refute my assertion that the real Club of Rome is a tool of the military/industrial complex, our clubofrome self destructed in 10 point print. Here's another great quote from the article:
"Apparently, the Tory reaction to Belinda’s defection was typical of stupid people. “They can not cope with new information or new situations,” says Nerenberg. “With Belinda, the Tories revealed themselves and it was a disaster. If I was their opponent, I’d just keep creating situations that they can’t comprehend and watch them explode.”
With 'colin' you have someone who has stated in other threads that his father was an NDP MLA and that he (colin) voted NDP for years but not now..he likes Harper. Whew..I feel sorry for his parents. They must have dropped him on his head once too often.

sleeps, I was just trying to say, though perhaps I said it badly, okay call me stupid, :-) that the Stupid Party's stupidity is only exceeded by their self-righteousness.

I got that Lynn. I certainly was not including you among the Stupid Party's supporters. I was just illustrating through example how witless their boosters are.
Let's take colin again as an example. His last post was:

"I will only answer to one comment. At the time of the incident I was a certified Rescue Specialist in the Canadian Coast Guard and was treating the person as part of my duties as such."

As such a what colin..a pompous, deceitful windbag? In the thread regarding marijuana issues colin, at great length, trashed MJ and actually implied he was a medical professional in order to give weight to his uninformed postings. Among his dumber assertions he stated that second hand MJ smoke was hallucinogenic and he implied that most street MJ was cut with rat poison and other chemicals.
Where are the facts to back that up colin?

Sleep
All you can do is personal attacks, that seems to be your only style. You asked what sort of medical training I had and I told you. The rat poison diagnosis was based on notes from the patient record and described to an instructor in the EHS with approx. 20 years of service, most of which was done in Vancouver.

If you actually knew any doctors you would also know that there are many different opinions on many different subjects.

Yes I against the use of pot, based on what I have seen with my own eyes. So we aren’t allowed to have opinion that differs from yours? I certainly don’t want to live in any state planned by you. At least others here can disagree and argue their point with maturity and class, two qualities that you seem to lack.

Since my qualifications or lack of are so important to you here is a link to the program
http://www.pacific.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/sar/training/index_e.htm

Maturity and class..I'm glad you brought that up Colin. I wonder how many people on this these threads think that many of the right wing posters are showing maturity and class... or exhibiting signs of short term memory loss. I didn't ask you what your medical training was, I just stated what you implied in your posting. And as for doctors..do I have a story for you. When Preston Manning first showed up in Ottawa with his 52 knuckledraggers he brought with him, as a chief policy advisor, an economist who insisted on being addressed as 'Doctor'. This story made the rounds and provided ample evidence of the lack of 'maturity and class' that the reformers were bringing to Ottawa with them...there are over 3000 PHD's working in government in Ottawa alone and no one expects to be called doctor. So you were a 'certified' Rescue Specialist... did the Coast Guard have uncertified ones? My guess is that you like to hang out with cops who still beleive that MJ leads to heroin...I wonder what they would think of your fascination with the coca plant?

Everyone deserves a second chance. I'll just turn the ignore switch off for a minute, but this is your last chance. If you want to continue the f--- you contest, which you are already trailing by 10 points, you can count me out. I've had better debates with Children, and with out the poison edge. Like I said though, last chance. If you think you can play nice in the sandbox then we can debate. Otherwise I'll nail you again, this time until you cry. If you want to include references to fact that would also be appreciated. I like to do my own research and for example, while I don't trust the US Government to tell us the truth I can't rely on everything Greg Palast tells me either. I'm not a card carrying Club of Anything member either. I've already expended more energy on this olive branch than I'll get in return, but this is your chance to redeem yourself. Show those of us who are just about to ignore you for the rest of your life that you are worth listening to. Personally I like a writer with an edge, so you might want tone it down a bit. Try subtle, there is smart humor in there. You question others credibility without, in my mind, establishing any yourself. Sitting behind your keyboard and writing attacks, is like being a bully in your car. Remember, being a tail gating, lane hopping, pass on the shoulder Road Rage coward. It's the same thing, there is nothing more dispised than someone who hides behind his car, or others or his mothers dress. For this race to have any chance in the future, we all need to look in the mirror and treat others with respect. Yes, that includes those "mornic" opinions. So give me an example of Preston Mannings racisism. He may be a thumper but he's no threat to anyone. That's like accussing Mr. Rogers of violence towards children. Here's your chance to show us what your made of, just pretend we are all in the same room, face to face. I'm the one with the Sherwood in my hand.

Sleep
Nice attempt at misdirection but my comment on maturity and class was aimed at you.

Clubofrome
Obviously you are distraught at the goonfest being cancelled in PG but what makes you think you have bested me here...oh yeah..braindamage. You keep trying to make 'nice' noises but are far too stupid to realise that this signifies your acknowledgement of defeat.

O Colin..give it up lad...a 4 year old could interpret your effort as a cry for help.

CoR
If you could actually spell racism I would respond but I have grownup work to do now and it would take me all day to list examples of CCRAP racism. I did not state anywhere that Manning himself was a racist..I said he presided over a pack of racist, sexist buffoons.

Child's play. You were obviously molested when you were young, a crime of the worst order, but many people/victims have gone on to lead productive lives. Your cries for help are all too obvious. I also believe you probably have violent tendancies. Along the lines of a highway sniper, from a distance. I know people who work in the field, compassionate people, so I know there are places for you to turn to. If you would only call for help. As is the case in abuse, you can only start the healing when you admit the past. You may be too far gone, you exhibit classic anti social behavior. Look it up for yourself. Of course you've heard it all before. Your file is quite thick isn't. The lithium works for a while but then there are the dreams that keep you up at night. Ghouls and demons, knuckle dragging Reformers from rural Canada, like zombies they haunt you every night. Of course the halucinations are responsible for most of your education. That and the television. I don't know how else to tell you this but, those aren't real. Add me to the list of doctors, friends and family who have bid you farewell and good luck. I strongly recommend you put on that helmet, especially if your ever decide to take the bus by yourself.

CoR
Look up transference..this is a behavioural defect where a person accuses others of their own shortcomings. Since you are in denial about this I won't waste anymore time with you.
Object lesson #2 for left of center posters: Bludgeoning right wingers with their own stupidity.
If you study my recent postings you will see that I only use the subject poster's own stupidity to skewer them. Clubofrome has just posted a classic example of what Albert Nerenberg was refering to in Mark's essay at the top of this thread. In CoR's mind he actually thinks he is somehow victorious and has trumped my logic. If you study his postings it becomes clear that he has no clue that he has been thoroughly skewered. Mark should probably have pointed out that right wingers are typically not going to have the smarts to know when they have been beaten so you should just be prepared to sit back and enjoy the train wreck. How else do you explain the phenomena of the CCRAPPERS continual self destruction?

Delusion: Where someone thinks a panel is actually out there "reading this thread, and his postings." Yikes. I wish I could stick to my guns and flip the ignore button on for good, and I will, soon, I promise. Certainly this will never go beyond this thread. It's just you and me, there's no one else here. You are now my new Guru, as I have studied your words and wish to join your movement. I'm tired of bieing a right winger, I wanna be a left winger for a while maybe even centre left. Because that would be the best way to learn about, or infiltrate your klan. Do you have a compound for summer retreats? We just love taking the kids out to show them others predjudices first hand. What kind of Kool-aid could we expect to find there? I see that tolerance is a big part of your beliefs. It's an interesting concept, we're looking forward to seeing how that works.
Now just before Colin and I self destruct, please tell us who you are, please? Are you with WAR or some other White Supremist faction?
Is that why you have to stay underground? How can Colin and I find you? There's an NRA convention in the fall, can we expect you'll try and contact us there? The suspense is killing us!

Don't be a sore loser CoR..it will just add to the volume of stupidity that you have displayed here. All these postings are now etched into the public record for all to refer to at a later date.

It's just you and me. (...and maybe Colin is having a giggle) What are you afraid of?
Just give us a sign of intelligence, humor.....anything?!?

Sleep
Since I have been so forth coming with what I have done, perhaps you will tell us what you do. You seem to be an expert in telling everyone else what is wrong with them. I look forward to hearing about your qualifications.

Mandatory two hour union lunch break...

My Tory MP is having an open house dialog at the local Orangeman's hall. Those are those guys who have a controversial parade every year celebrating thier lording it over the Catholics some 300 years ago. Just goes to show you where his head is at considering that there are so many non-racist venues available to host the event. Perhaps the KKK have a basement he could use.

Well the Irish are an odd bunch, they treat outsiders very nicely, but do they ever seem to do their best to screw each other. You are right that it is time for them to change their tradition of marching through the Catholic neighbourhood rubbing their noses in it. Frankly the Catholics should just dump the contents of a honeywagon on the parade route and let them march through that.

Is the hall still owned by a strong Protestant group or is the name just the vestiges left over from another time? Many of these places were started as places for immigrants from one ethnic group to congregate but have long since forgotten their roots and become more of a business.
Booking a hall would have been done by a staffer and likely if you asked the average person on the street they wouldn’t even know what an Orangeman is. I doubt that it even crossed anyone’s mind and the hall has likely been a fixture for years.

...... pretty defensive, sleeps.

howcome?

So we come full circle and understand a little bit more about stupidity. It resides in all of us. From the article above it stems mostly from reaction which is also a symptom of psychological maturity or imaturity. Emotional intelligence. We admire those who can state their case with passion, logic and possess the interpersonal skills that leadership is based on. They don't "lose it" when someone disagrees with them. To react is human. I do it everytime "sleeps" tailgates me on the highway, weaving back and forth looking for room to pass on the shoulder.... I give him a dirty look in the mirror, perhaps wave a finger, tsk tsk as he goes by. We should hold our elected officials accountable for their actions and behavior, and we need to aim for the same level for our own well being. If we are to succeed/survive as a species I believe we only have a short time to grasp some of the simple truths in this universe. A harmony must exist between living things, and we can't seem to get along with each other let alone respect the rest of the living biota. Lack of vision. Long term goals must be more important than short term profits. As long as the majority of humans are asking what's in it for me? (Grewal just the latest example) ...well it just makes the forecast for survival a bit more dismal. The question is what are you going to do about it? Paul Erlich had one child and then "snip" that was in the 60's! He has a vision. So he lost a few bets on commodity pricing. What's a few decades in evolution! While this all seems like doom and gloom, I refuse to loose any sleep over it. Too busy having fun. Perhaps in some small way, that's leading by example. From the short period of time I've been reading tyee, I'd say there is still a fifty/fifty chance we can pull this off! And...because we are a tolerant bunch, there will even be room for those like sleepswithsheep, for a society should be judged on how we treat our weakest members of the herd.

The Orangemen of New Westminster are still an entity and the reason I am aware of them is because they ran a few controversial parades of thier own.

so sleepswithhimself is a bona fide pothead eh? what a big surprise. what is it that you're trying to escape from sleeps. your thoughts or your conscience? i must say you're one of the biggest morons that ever showed on this site. even dumber than hombre.

Eddy
Well that's interesting, can’t imagine why they would bother trying to do it here, must have had a hard time finding a Catholic neighbourhood to march through. Thanks, learn something new every day.

In a thread following one of the most astute pieces on CCRAP collective imbecility I have ever had the pleasure of reading I have very simply used the indefensible and/or certifiably moronic assertions of a collection of right wing thinkers against them. See what happens when these hapless twits are challenged beyond the limits of their narrow world..they spew garbage..lots of noise and no smarts. Not once did I have to respond to a challenge to my postulations..all they had was trash talk..very disturbing trash talk that likely projected their own faults and twisted fantasies onto me. They couldn't defend anything but their right to free speech..yet here they are on a left wing site..the would be cream of the CCRAP brain trust. LOL

Eddy Haskel: Did you happen to see the news clip shown here on TV a few years back of the Orangemen marching in Belfast? In the 2-4 second clip they focused on 2 of the most stupid and inbred looking crown lovers...they were beating on marching drums. They were about 6'8" give or take a foot or so and about 300 lbs. of stupid hate in their hearts...not sure what brought that to mind...oh wait....right. (not you Bigroy)

cheers

Bigroy: Don't take my insults to you personally..you were an easy target and I was scoring at will. If you had experienced the decades of exposure to full on right wing lunacy that I have then you would want to skewer these deluded and demented dolts as well.

So Harper has stated that the Liberals will make deals with crooks to get their legislation passed. Is he trying to overtake Laughingstock Day as the all time leader in CCRAP stupidity? What will he do next...appoint John Reynolds to write ad copy for CCRAP spots to woo women voters?

.... If I "had experienced the decades of exposure to full on right wing lunacy that I (you) have then you would want to skewer these deluded and demented dolts as well.", eh?

In 1952 my dad and I were stoned out of a Coal Branch town in Alberta for campaigning on behalf of a candidate other than the Social Credit one.

.... elex'ns skew fine - slow, as some other lasting things ... but exceeding fine.

It's always best to have the pride of having adhered to one's principles, to fall back on, when the pen's pilgrimage to approbation fails.

But thanx.

There are times when I think that Canada would be better off if we took some big hydraulic jacks up to the Alberta/NWT border and raised Alberta high enough for the all the greasy right wing sludge to slide into the US where it belongs....but I digress....good news.. right wing thinking in Canada is clearly so devoid of reason or logic and their ideological soulmates in the US are so clearly showing the world what they are all about that Canada will never elect a right of center government again.

they are getting dogma-bound, f'shur.

They could be described as eschewing freedom in favour of monomania.

You still didn't respond to my request that you show your qualifications, since you asked about mine.

Colin
you really should reread the thread...at no time did I ask what your qualifications were.. I cleary pointed out that you implied you were a doctor in order to influence a thread on marijuana issues..let me remind you..you stated that most street MJ was cut with poisons and that the second hand smoke was hallucinogenic...and you must be hallucinating if you think I will give any clues to my identity to someone who owns a gun

Sleep
So you never been in a room full of pot smoke? You tried to make that I implied myself as a medical professional, which I never did and I replied with what qualifications I did have at the time. Now you are implying that I would threaten your life?

Why would you be so important that I would do that? Why would I throw away my job, family and hobbies to harm you? You are just not important enough. In fact it is much more likely that I would be in a position to come to your rescue. Despite being in the Rescue business for many years and been given the opportunity to help many people you choose to fantasy about me being some sort of threat to your safety. Do you always consider anyone that has different opinions from you as a threat to your safety? It’s a sad little world you live in. Frankly if anyone should be concerned about their safety it is me as I have given you enough information to trace me if you so wished, plus your language shows a great deal of pent up anger.

You seem to like to put yourself in the position of being an expert on pot and I was hoping that you would enlighten us as to your qualifications to make such statements. Perhaps your statements are merely your own personal opinion and then we can agree to disagree.
I should just give up and ignore you, but my wife tells me that I have a soft spot for hopeless causes.

I admire your patience Colin. I also believe that we must hold bad behavior accountable. Otherwise it says we tolerate it, and that's not the world I want to live in. It's really good vs evil, and the evil is unawareness. Unaware of the people around you and having no respect for them. When you point it out to them, they immediately become defensive, and then go on the attack. Sandbox stuff for sure. Just another F**K YOU contest!! ...and not a very good one at that.

More sad cases of right wing stupidity
Anybody with intelligence reading this thread will notice the following:
a) Colin was not able to satisfactorily defend his clearly stated position that second hand MJ smoke was hallucinogenic or that most street MJ was laced with poisons and he tried to sidestep the fact that he stated in the thread on MJ issues that he "treated a fisherman"..which clearly implies that he was a medical professional. He did not come clean until I called him out on this and he is still trying to deny that he was pretending to be a doctor so that his viewpoint would be accepted. Don't take my word for it..read the thread on MJ issues. It is indexed right next to this thread.
b) clubofrome is just providing more evidence of his stupidity by trying to portray himself as a voice of tolerance when the reality is in print and part of the public record for all to read. He has challenged me to fistfights and has projected his own shortcomings onto me by calling me a "petting zoo molester" and he thinks we should hold bad behaviour acceptable.. I rest my case...right wingers have got to be the dumbest of the dumb.

A medical professional is a doctor, nurse or advanced paramedic

The proper designation for my training level at the time was St Johns Advanced Level II in conjunction with other training as listed in the website provided. Sleep you have derided me and yet offered no proof of any qualification to back your statements therefore it is you that is making totally unfounded comments. If you wish you can link reports on the other thread to back your claims. I have already stated where and how I came to my beliefs and experiences.

colin
I have invited readers of this thread to study the MJ thread so they can draw their own conclusions. As you continue to attempt damage control just remember that this is a thread dealing with right wing stupidity and you have already revealed your political leanings.
Any statements or POV's that I have posted can stand on their own.. I don't need to list my degrees in order to skewer people with their own BS.
clubofrome
you will notice that even though you keep refering to colin in you postings as if you were a team..he does not reciprocate. People in the military, coast guard and police are always fending of sycophants...police call them 'copsuckers'... are you some kind of copsucker? you sure sound like one.

I didn't think he needed my support, he strikes me as able to care for himself.

She is very clever with words isn't she? The only thing challenged here is your credibility fool. Anyone following this thread..... hello....ECHO...echo...echo... nope, it's as hollow in here as between your ears. I notice you are really reaching out for allies in your cries but alas there is no one here for you. Why not just go back to sleep? This is a virtual fistfight, where you keep getting up off the mat, only to get knocked down again. While it's interesting that you keep getting up, it's no sign of intelligence son! Accountable, not acceptable, you have to hold people accountable for their actions and behavior. I preach tolerance but that has to do with culture and ideas, not of your poison spewing cake hole. I know it's confusing listening to all the voices in your head. But try to relax a bit. Take some time to think about your responses. Go back and read them over and over and then one more time like we have. Now... as promised...where is that ignore switch.... oh here it is...

clubofrome
once again your own words show how tenuous your grasp of reality is..you'll need to ask someone what that means so I'll state it in a way that you can understand... I've used your own stupidity to make you look even more foolish and then you keep insisting that you are somehow beating me...don't worry someone will come along soon to wipe the drool off your chin..ask nice and maybe they will loosen your straps too

LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa LaLa LaLa.... Me ignoring you....

who are you trying to kid?
all the desire for violence you have directed towards me is indicative of repressed homosexual tendencies..perhaps brought on by an incident of incest...now I'm no expert in that field so maybe you should reach out to sirjohna...he is a product of generations of inbreeding

1999 - issue 5 - Psychology Today, right?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out where those two are coming from. With clubofrome up there in Prince George it's not hard to imagine him pimping out his children while he waits for his klan buddies to finish with his wife.
Then you have sirjohna with one hand glued to his tiny manhood while the other furiously taps out hate on his keyboard...no bigroy..it's not pop psychology..just years of observing right wingers in their natural habitat.

There is no shortage of Catholic Churches in New Westminster. Anyway, one should really talk with the Orangemen to find out why they (the Orangemen) continue to devolve.

Eddy
Thanks at least I learned something of interest from all of this, never expected the Orangeman to get enough support over here to keep banging the drum.

http://www.orangenet.org/article.htm

From the orangenet.org site:

"Fact is that Orangemen came as a direct result of Catholic persecution of Protestants and as a way for them to maintain political influence in Ireland in the face of growing Catholics influence.

Yes, yes you say. Those are old wars and should be forgotten.

But they're not forgotten by any other group."

..... some justification for the group, IMHO. "We've a right to be just as dolourous as the next."

Apparently this system will not let me just say "thanks" so I will have to say thanks in a long winded way.

Thanks Colin... you might also be interested in learning that a certain "Antique Store", in New West, actually displays and sells swastikas and other Nazi memorabilia. I guess the merchant never heard of WWII and all the murders committed for the sake of hate symbol. I'd love to take a shit in his store but it's against the law.

what would beaver cleaver do..he'd consult with wally and eddy and then they would send lumpy in with a paper bag full of crap and a lighter

Eddy
I know people that display WWII items including German and Nazi. They take great pains to do so in a way that shows what the Waffan SS and the Nazi party were about. As long as it is done in context and talks about what happened then I am fine with it. I really hate the attempts to make history fit the political correctness of the day. Such as the Red on Blue Trafalgar reenactment or rewriting Shakespeare.

The problem is that many people see the Nazi items as sexy or cool so they are attracted to it, without comprehending what they stood for. Mind you my dad grew up in Winnipeg and remembers a lot of “Bund” movements in the city, mid to late 30’s. These all disappeared as soon as WWII started

Had a talk with a skinhead who was wearing Nazi items and extolling their virtues. I asked if he knew about the “Nacht der langen Messer” (Night of the long knives) where Hitler exterminated the SA. I told him that the SA were the skinheads of the day and Hitler used them to get into power and then got rid of them as soon as he didn’t need them.

Also some people think that USSR stuff is cool also and forget that Stalin killed anywhere to 20-50 million people during his reign. Then we have modern day politicans that compare the Gitmo with the Gulags, likely because they can not fathom just how brutal the Gulags were.

"Emma.... Have you seen my shotgun!!"

....... just as well it doesn't, but if at first you don't succeed

Now I have to sell the pink Caddy....