sorta says something about a mom who's favourite skater is a skilled sucker-punching bully who can whine with the best when caught misbehaving in the sandbox.

yeah,the last really popular GOON they had from sudbury was eddie shack and he used to practice rollerskating up and down the street shooting indian rubber balls at little kids in the neighbouhood...i know...I WAS HIS FAVORITE TARGET .

GOOD THING THESE GOONS HAVE HOCKEY,OTHERWISE THE STEETS WOULD REALLY BE UNSAFE.

Jim Beam: Shouldn't you have known better, after all he was referred to as "clear the track here comes Shack" as I recall. At least in those days the players were more accessible and down to earth. Nowadays they all seem to live in gated communities. Overpaid prima donnas works for me. See, we can agree on something.

my mother used to be an AVON lady and i had to sometimes bring something or other to the shack house for eddies mom and aunt(both were absolute sweethearts)and if eddy was around it wasn't bad gettin in...IT WAS GETTIN OUT,ESPECIALLY IF EDDIES DAD HAD A FEW BEER...gettim eddy,gettim

yeah,those where the days...lucky i could run fast

the canucks need a new coach. he's too satisfied with the status quo.

Yeah being able to outrun the bigger guys was the only thing that allowed me to reach puberty.
I was thinking the other day how much this country has changed in my half century plus here.
I can remember visiting parliament in the early 60's and literally being able to go anywhere in that building. Same for the Manitoba Leg in the mid to late 60's.
I used to go to the Winnipeg Arena after school and watch Team Canada practice. There was always a door open and no one would bother you if you behaved. After practice you could go and get autographs or talk to the players.
Nowadays you can't go anywhere or do anything without someone looking to bust your chops or give you a citation.
Unfortunate and not progress in my opinion.

I remember when I was a little duffer and my dad used to bring me to the Edmonton Gardens to watch the Alberta Oilers (half the games in Edmonchuk, half in Calgary). I remember going to ice level and seeing the likes of Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull, and my dad holding me as I reached out and shook hands with Gordie once. He was more than glad to oblige, and called me young fellow. A great memory.

Nowadays, you can't even go to ice level unless you have a ticket by the glass.

Times sure have changed and as I write this, I sound like my dad.

AUGH!!!!!!!

times have changed...when a friend of the family got his engineering degree at mcgill we went to montreal to celebrate with his family.

we went to this place that was owned by a montreal canadien,it was belly dancers,eastern foods,the whole nine yards.

half way through dinner the owner and some friends came in and they started making the rounds of the tables shaking hands and talking to the guests...you could smell the booze on these guys bigtime...but the only thing i remembered for years later was that strong grip the rocket shook my hand with...didn't want to wash my hand...but mom insisted

yeah times change...thank god for guys like linden and sakic and other gems that don't let it go to their heads.

i see the canucks with so much talent...but no real drive,breaks my heart.

As is often true we seem to be jumping around. On the Canucks to me its simple,,, they suck they have some good talent but as in the past years there seems to be a pre occupation with goon style. Hence Bertuzzi. They lack pride, finesse and a desire to win. Hocky pimadonnas these days seem more worried about dental bridge work than winning or just putting out the effort. Someone mentioned hocky players of days gone by. and what is said is true. I can recall as a young boy waiting in the forum lobby and players saying hello as they walked by, only once were we ever refused an autograph and that was from Gump Worsley. Ken Dryden often strolled to games. I played as a 10 year old with the Son of Toe Blake montreals coach. But now we are someowhere very different and the sport is in some ways the loser. HOckey has gone from a working class sport to the world of corperate box seats and is the domain of a very different group of fans. Who sip starbucks and have biscotti's

I've been searching and surfing and loooking for some connection el honcho. apparently the thread on another story has been shut down. I want to ask why without getting shot in the dark answers from y'all but can't for the life of me get a contact #. Is it

or possible

or more confusedly, beersunavailable@tyeesometimesillliftalargerrockbutthatrockismuchtoolargeanysmallerrockwilldo

In all earnestness though, why was the other thread shut down?

Vancouver (and B.C. for that matter) is happy with a mediocre team. The Garage is sold out for most games. I quit watching Canuck hockey. It's not exciting and definitely, not worth the big ticket prices. Until Vancouverites et al start to stay away from Arera in droves and the Province newspapers stop making much to do about nothing the Canucks will always lack lustre and will never be a contender.

Yeah, I met Gordie Howe a couple times when I was young and same thing, he made you feel special. I often see that picture of Howe and a young Gretzky and I wonder how many young kids considered him to be their hero as I did for all those years. Don't make too many like that anymore, a really class act.

As a kid I to went to the hockey camps were we met Howe and other, also attended a soccer school where a famous English footballer named something like “Jackie Charlsten” or similar was trying to encourage young kids to play.

Mind you a number of the Canucks take time to visit kids in the hospital and Hospice.

I compared our recent win and loss by our Woman’s and Men’s hockey team in Italy to the way the New York Cosmos played against our Whitecaps. The Women were a team and played as a team, the Men were a bunch of good hockey player that just happen to be on the ice together.

bread and circuses, folks.

jtothemfk,regarding your query,its...

and the reason the other thread was shut down ?

elliot was telling everybody how valuable gordon campbell was to the province and that campbell could command a kings ransom for his services.

well,jim beam set him straight by listing all the previous premiers and their worth.

campbell was at the bottom with rita johnson.

so elliot took umberage no doubt and complained again.

so a good post was yanked and FREE SPEECH DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE.

YOU WOULD THINK AS AN AMERICAN DAVID BEERS WOULD HAVE A THICKER SKIN WHEN IT CAME TO THE COLLECTIVE RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH.

and apparently jim beam emailed the complaints around the internet .

i love these soap operas.

damn,yakkin away and i forgot !

i stopped watching the canucks when pavel(oh my knee hurts)bure started his negotiations to get out of playing/town/contract.

he was the biggest waste of money...ever !

and the canucks in my opinion will never win,there is no drive,no unity and you see it all the time.

nice try thomas 49, whoever you are, but i've never corresponded with beers. maybe it was shut down b/c the lefties couldn't handle the truth.

elliot,yours is the last post on that thread that was cut off early.

jim beam's response was next ,it was not vulgar and it was not libelous or slanderous.all information is in the media and all he did was present it as a rebuttal to your comment, that campbel had talent and was worth a fortune in your view...your dim view,if i remember his words.

he also pointed out that campbells talents were barely on par with rita johnson.

i am not the only one that read and enjoyed that post and it is circulating on the internet in defence of free speech being censored on this site.

so i am not doing anything more than exercising my right to free speech and as you can see the only person it offends is you.

'so elliot took umberage no doubt and complained again.'
are you stupid or something? my response to you was regarding this comment. and simply to say that i didn't complain and have never corresonded with beers. btw, if you don't realize that campbell is highly respected by the business and commerce community you're out of touch. hard to realize such truths on commercial drive, i guess. go stick your head back in the ndp sand.

Dear editor: there appears to be some misunderstanding as to the reasoning behind the proprietarially-driven removel from The Tyee of comments expressed by a gentleman known as Jim Beam.

I note(commentator: thomas49 - two posts before this post), that others question the fairness of the exorcising of Mr. Beam's comments.

Using the vile comments in the post immediately preceeding this as a balance of sorts, what is it that Beam wrote that brought such strong a response from an organ that fights for freedom of speech?

i am a leftie,but i am NO NDPer.

and i know the legal battles the Campbell brothers went through and all the unanswered investors are still waiting years later for answers and their monies.

and the former teacher turned big business puppet is only highly regarded by people like you and your ilk.

sorta like glen clark being touted as saviour of the ndp ,people pick their allies...

some leaders are nothing more than puppets for a cause and who you choose speaks volumes about your ethos.

and your previous postings say it all.

What touched it off was I think jim beam might have drawn a caricature of Elliot that involved sheep-herding cowboys. I hear the people of Lower Slobovia are now rioting and burning embassies.

Nothing to fear, we have sent our best peace-makers, Deep Forbidden Lake and Ron Erwin to talk them down.

This was all pre-ordained as those who have read the Protocols of the Eldest Guy in Spuzzum know.

i think elliot has been spending too much time on that new drug PharmAmorin that they're pushing on
theonion.com and from what i am hearing this stuff is pretty dangerous .the side effects are pretty well what elliot has been exhibiting since i started posting and noticed his strange ranting.

then again,some people don't exhibit side effects ,so i don't know if this is normal for our little elliot.

but the drugs purpose is to enhance sychophancy to the pharmacompanies and their purveyors.
so i'm trying to connect the dots to elliots unnatural love of the campbell clan and the pharmacompanies.

remember what that mantra nancy reagan espoused elliot...just say , NO

sad to say i just read that BOOM BOOM GEOFFERION just died at age 75.

his was the resturant we went to...the BOOM BOOM ROOM if i remember correctly.

the old guard quietly slips away and petulant superstars just thumb their noses at the fans today while collecting big bucks skating around posing for the cameras.

Frank wrote:

Nothing to fear, we have sent our best peace-makers, Deep Forbidden Lake and Ron Erwin to talk them down.

This was all pre-ordained as those who have read the Protocols of the Eldest Guy in Spuzzum know.

Thanks Frank, now I have clean the coffee off my keyboard ;-)

Hey Frank, I've got friends in Spuzzum and I can assure you they will not be pleased to see you mentioning their community in the same breath that you spew nasty things like Elliot or Ron Erwin about.

Spuzzum may seem down and out when you're whizzing by heading for the bright lights of Boston Bar or Yale, but there are limits as to just who they want to be affiliated with.

Comparing the Canucks to children is an insult to anyone under the age of twelve. The grown men that play for big bucks have had their chance to be treated like children. If they can't get some task cohesion going, they will never be successfull. They could very well need a sport psychologist, but I wouldn't insult the development process by comparing adults with children.

'What touched it off was I think jim beam might have drawn a caricature of Elliot that involved sheep-herding cowboys.' typical homophobic garbage from jim beam. he's probably sleepswithangels and deep forbidden lake, which means he's been banished from the site twice before. thomas 49 is just a moronic wannabe.

what is really perplexing elliot is that people keep disapearing for the same language you use...

yet their intellectual positions rate more consideration than your postings and yet here you are ,spewing , constantly about how great your sweetheart campbell clan is.

they're nice people tommyboy. sometimes you lefties need to look beyond the politics and realize that the so-called 'neocons' want what's best for others too. they just have different ideas about how to achieve things than you may.

nice people don't seperate couples of 60years to let mothers die all alone with no family at their side.

nice people don't let 712 children die in goverment care,especially when they screamed like stuck pigs when matthew vaudrill died at the hands of a mentally unfit mother under the NDP,and the liberals said they could do better.

you see i tell the truth elliot,i don't care who is in power,i think childrens safety is paramount and we all are CULPABLE because we let these things happen,because,we voted in these clowns.

all who voted,didn't vote,regardless,we are all guilty because we let the govt.(campbell,et al) do a poor job.

you ever want me to think the campbells are somehow of the human species,then you had better give an account of what is done to help BRITISH COLUMBIANS,THAT ACTUALLY IS A BENEFIT TO ALL.

and lets start with CHILDREN.

and don't ever list selling off our RESOURCES AS A PLUS...that just aint so,even though we know it's an idea they have that is not only different from the mainstream ,it is legally, morally and ethically repugnant to all citizens of BC.

just heard that PUTZ crawford saying on the radio,that it's good they lost last night because it will make them FOCUS in the future games.

what a LOAD ! these guys have lost so often this season that they should be SO FOCUSED ,no team up against them should even come close to scoring.

FOCUSED,MY A$$.

listening to that nonsense highlights why they are losing,time to clean house,i would say...might make them focus better when they wonder where their next cheque is coming from?

'nice people don't seperate couples of 60years to let mothers die all alone with no family at their side.'
that's a ridiculous statement thomas. surely you can't be so naive as to think that the premier can be involved in micro-managing a bureaucracy the size of the healthcare system?
what's the point in engaging in such rhetoric? it makes you sound foolish, and i know you have at least some insight b/c you consider crawford to be a putz. mediocrity has always ruled in canuckland, and they're still cruising from their finals appearance in '94. btw; they finished 8th in the division that year by one point.

i guess you don't understand what CHAIN OF COMMAND means.

that little phrase means ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON CAMPBELLS WATCH IS HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

he is CULPABLE.

then again you would have to have a command of the english language.

campbell is ultimately RESPONSIBLE for any and every little thing that goes RIGHT OR WRONG under his administration.that is why he is called the PREMIER of the province.

he is the BIG KAHUNA ! AND AS ONE OF THE BEST AMERICAN PRESIDENTS SAID...THE BUCK STOPS HERE!

now if you are politically savvy,you know who it is and you know there are good people in politics that have to do dirty things and they are not there to make fortunes for themselves.

they take RESPONSIBILITY.

naivete + opportunism = useless rhetoric.

elliot ,i had thought from your previous posts that someone else had taken over posting under your name.

now i see you are back with your usual dialogue describing your understanding of issues perfectly.

when at a loss ,toss an insult!

at a loss? lmao!

elliot,i am terrible at ACRONYMS,what does that mean? i'm a ooooops!

i didn't know you were an al capp fan !

Laughing in script looks so lame, I refuse to use those smiley face things but I am giggling. Thomas you are a card!

The Canucks - not so funny.

the canucks-not so funny ! no kidding,just heard on the news bertuzzi got an envelope with "A WHITE SUBSTANCE" in it and the centre was evacuated.

wow! someones out of control...think that person was pissed or what ?

No kidding! You know the worst TV, or at least it's in the running for the worst - it is a hotly contested title after all - is probably that strange radio on TV show they're doing now on Rogers Sportsnet - the one where idiots pay 50c to post their deep thoughts on the ticker that runs across the bottom of the screen. Why any sponsor would pay for that crap is a mystery for the ages?

Canucks 0; Nashville 5. Now that's a train wreck!

Anyone ready for a "Dump Bertuzzi" movement? If someone gets it started, I'll be first on the bandwagon. I'm sick of the, "n'uh" interviews with a sweaty Bertuzzi pedaling his bike. "N'uh, yeah, we just weren't there tonight." You don't say. "N'uh, we've got to play 60 minutes." Well, Duh. I'd say so considering the $6 mill you're being paid.
This is a guy who thinks the best way to win a game is to put nuisance opponents in the hospital. "Yeah, Bert, that'll do it fer sure." If he can't do that, you can scrub the goals - he's on a blue streak.

So - get rid of Bert. See how Naslund and Crawford react and if they still can't get with it, they can go join Bert. Fans are paying a fortune to look at these sulky excuses for excuses. Get rid of them - sooner not later.

finally,the stories are coming out about the bad vibes in the dressing rooms and on the bench/ice.pointing out that the big boys ain't team players.finally!

Bench Bertuzzi and Morrison for a start. Let them watch a couple of games from the press box. If that doesn't do it, send Crawford to the press box and hire a real coach, someone like Ted Nolan. As far as this season's concerned, it's probably too late for any real chance in the playoffs. If the team can't score a single goal against Nashville in the 'new' NHL then they are in such deep trouble that psychiatric help won't be much use either.

those lawsuits have to be dragging bertuzzi down mentally.

it just carries on to the ice and when he cannot score it just adds to the frustrations.

not making excuses,just pointing out what it would be like playing with a 20 million dollar monkey on your back.

I agree completely. In fact, in retrospect the best thing for both the Canucks and Bertuzzi would have been to see if they could have worked a trade with a team in the Eastern Conference last fall. It's too late now. Expecting a young guy like Bertuzzi to deal with this kind of pressure is both unrealistic and unfair - he has none of the equipment he'd need to do that because all his battles have taken place on the ice - not between his ears.
Our hockey players may be well trained but few of them are well-educated.
Benching him for a game or two might get him thinking that there's a better way to analyze his predicament. Moore hasn't helped the deal either. In my opinion he's waging a psychological battle that can't help but drag Bertuzzi down. In a way it's sort of counter-intuitive. You'd think a better tactic would be to make Bertuzzi's return to success on the ice more, rather than less, likely - it increased his earning power after all. Maybe it's more about revenge than money. The whole story has certain Shakespearean elements - looked at from that point of view.

G West,i think your overview is bang on.

the court battles are,as we see with the shotgun effect,going to get bertuzzi one way or the other and moore knows that he was in a consensual situation where he consented to the antics of other players and of his own behaviour in the game.

something not lost on the average fan.

letting bertuzzi flourish would be a gamble,the shotgun effect with multiple court actions on the other hand would worry anyone without deep pockets and good lawyers.

and trading him would have been best for all in my mind,would have given everyone a fresh start.

seems that's all i hear on the sport spots these days.

trade,trade,trade.