Time for the Tories to go

"The Tories and Canada are Incompatible" (longish article)

(check "CBC biased? Say it ain't so!" and "Why is Stephen Harper Prime Minister?" too. (longish articles))

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@Rolf_Auer

Crime is

Crime is running rampant but it is in the halls of government that it is occurring. The unreported crime is the government employees not reporting the crimes being committed by themselves and co-criminals. We need to jail every singe MLA, MP or whatever other title they claim. The whole political and judicial system is run by criminals we need to arrest, try and jail the lot of them.

These think tanks,

These think tanks, especially the "prestigious conservative economic think tanks" are nothing more than advertising, PR agencies paid by the corporate mafia to spread the mental enslavement of people by propaganda.

In any case, what's the complaint against crime and how do we decide what crime really is, when the people and corporations who are paying for the propaganda coming our of these PR agencies, are ruining more lives, causing more poverty and environmental damage every day, all over the world, under the guise of "competition", than all the criminals in jails for relatively minor crimes?

Wealth can not be created, only taken and crime and war are the ultimate forms of economic competition.

Just watch for the great wealth creating schemes, otherwise known as he sale of the country from under the citizens' feet, if Harper ever gets a majority.

The worst scenario anybody could imagine, yet a distinct possibility under the present economic crime wave enslaving and destroying the world.

Ed Deak.

@demotto

are you trying to spread the b.s that it's govt that's the problem, justifying reducing the size and power of govt.? When it's clear it's the corporate elitist agenda that's the problem here. My MP is NDP and he's certainly not part of the problem, nor are many many civil servants. I support anyone committed to attacking corporate white collar crime, but the Con agenda is completely off base and based on ideological garbage.

big trees

When the government is complicit in the corporate elitist agenda to turn back the clock on all social gains then yes they are the problem. Your NDP MP must be blind and mute as the NDP has not tried to expose the corruption within government so the only conclusion can be that they are just as dirty and corrupt.

Your pseudonym is wishful thinking on your part that the elite controlled government mafia will leave any?

Figures Don't Lie, But Liers Can Always Figure

Police departments across Canada are forever "batching files" to contract the number of case complaints to make it look like they are doing good work, then 6 months later, UNBATCHING those same files in order to make it look like they are overwhelmed with work and need more officers.
Reality is that people don't bother to REPORT some crimes anymore, because nothing is ever resolved. Thieves are not charged or prosecuted,because police and prosecutors are "too busy".
STOP with the analyzing of "paper statistics", ! [COMMENT ADVOCATING VIOLENCE REMOVED. -MODERATOR.] No doubt there would be a sudden drop in REAL crime stats and a commensurate drop in the cost of any "Crime Bill".

Wow. Some of you people are scarier than Harper.

"people, caught in the act of a crime, are Immediately killed on the spot by citizens"

"We need to jail every singe MLA, MP..."

Tories will not budge in crime

An interesting anecdote...
A friend of a friend of mine works in a position that puts her right inside the Tory caucusroom. Apparently the Tories are not entirely without ears or eyes when it comes to receiving feedback and new information as it pertains to policy direction. She told my friend that she's observed a number of instances when they actually listened to news that contradicted their set of assumptions and adjusted their policy accordingly...

Except when it came to anything to do with their crime legislation!

That, apparently is a sacred cow and is not to be disturbed. One could throw any statistics at them contradicitng their claims that Canada's crime rates are rising and that more prisons, policing and harsher penalties are needed to stem this wave of terror that threatens this great land. No amount of credible, reliable information that may contradict their direction will cause them to waver.

Obviously the "tough on crime" thing is a great electioneering strategy, and they are not going to give it up. They may have to manufacture their own evidence to convince us, that's all. So be it.

Power eats life

Power is god and god is power - everything must serve power, and nothing - not civil society, justice or the earth must get in the way. Guns, bombs and prisons are the priests now.

Life is periphery, and anything that supports this survival will or is working on the radicalization of the current regime.

The Harper Government (not the Government of Canada)...

...Has found yet another way to shovel public money into private pockets. This time it's to build and maintain prisons:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18527338.html
Harper's intention to build more prisons, while not being labelled "private" or "for-profit" institutions, is but a single step away from being such.

And the "beauty" (as demonstrated in the Harper's Magazine article) of the government paying for-profit businesses to run prisons, is that it can always ensure a steady stream of inmates by passing draconian laws, designed to feed bodies into these instituions.

Question: What's the

Question: What's the difference between God and the Prime Minister? Answer: God doesn't think he's the Prime Minister.

Lies, damned lies, and

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

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"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments, and the tendency of people to disparage statistics that do not support their positions. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point.

The term was popularised in the United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the 19th-century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881): "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Other coiners have therefore been proposed. The most plausible, given current evidence, is Englishman Sir Charles Wentworth Dilke (1843–1911).

The real question is whether God believes in statistics?

Ed Deak.

Tough on crime

Getting tough on crime is simply job creation for lawyers and law enforcement. While Tories claim they wish to reduce government, most realize these are hollow words. The forces that would least benefit from decriminalization of drugs line up and force non-secular values on Canadians, making it obvious their motivations are purely selfish.
These claims from the righteous establishment are simply a deflection to keep Canadians baffled with the stated falsehood "increasing level of violent crime ". The friends of corporate Canada, MSM, are doing their best with "Fear Media" and if you repeat it enough it becomes true.
It is not in the interest of the "at the tough" Justice system to make changes that would reduce their role and they are always delighted to pile more on their plate.
The self righteous Tories are their kind of guys.

Harper's vision.

Getting tough on crime is one of those 'hot button' issues that resonates with a lot of folks who rarely make an effort to consider the real causes. It is also a convenient way to funnel money to the private sector to build these monuments to social policy failure. It is not a surprise that the Conservative?reform movement hitches its fortunes on the simplistic notions. It is much more difficult to address the issues around prevention, poverty and education. Harper wants us all to be more like the U.S.. Soon we will have thew same percentage of the population behind bars and then there will be a push to privatize the whole corrections system. Oh the money too be made!

Preventing crime

The biggest generator of crimes--both those with victims and those without; and reported or not reported--is the war on drugs. Harper and company should be recognized for what they are: Organized crime's Best Buds.

The single most effective move to seriously cripple organzied crime, while simultaneously relieving pressure on police, courts, and prisons, as well as making the rest of us much safer, is to repeal that unholy conglomerate of laws which constitute the brain-dead attack on a medical problem (when drug use is a problem, which in many instances it is not.)
Any cartoonisist around? I'd love to see a drawing of Harper with his arm around a hulking biker who has one hand in the public's pocket and a vote for the Tories in the other.

Harper's Speech to right-wing Council for National Policy

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SpecialEvent7/20051213/elxn_harper_speech_text_051214/
Partial text:
Ladies and gentlemen, let me begin by giving you a big welcome to Canada. Let's start up with a compliment. You're here from the second greatest nation on earth. But seriously, your country, and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world.

Now, having given you a compliment, let me also give you an insult. I was asked to speak about Canadian politics. It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians.

But in any case, my speech will make that assumption. I'll talk fairly basic stuff. If it seems pedestrian to some of you who do know a lot about Canada, I apologize.

I'm going to look at three things. First of all, just some basic facts about Canada that are relevant to my talk, facts about the country and its political system, its civics. Second, I want to take a look at the party system that's developed in Canada from a conventional left/right, or liberal/conservative perspective. The third thing I'm going to do is look at the political system again, because it can't be looked at in this country simply from the conventional perspective.

First, facts about Canada. Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it. Canadians make no connection between the fact that they are a Northern European welfare state and the fact that we have very low economic growth, a standard of living substantially lower than yours, a massive brain drain of young professionals to your country, and double the unemployment rate of the United States.

In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance.

That is beginning to change. There have been some significant changes in our fiscal policies and our social welfare policies in the last three or four years. But nevertheless, they're still very generous compared to your country.

Let me just make a comment on language, which is so important in this country. I want to disabuse you of misimpressions you may have. If you've read any of the official propagandas, you've come over the border and entered a bilingual country. In this particular city, Montreal, you may well get that impression. But this city is extremely atypical of this country.

While it is a French-speaking city -- largely -- it has an enormous English-speaking minority and a large number of what are called ethnics: they who are largely immigrant communities, but who politically and culturally tend to identify with the English community.

The Criminals are in "the house"!

Seeing the actions of someone who is supposed to be a Canadian for Canadians, show clearly that he is a puppet, manipulated by the same group as his counterpart in the us of a.
The sooner we replace him, the better!
We need to take back our Charter of Rights and Freedoms and become a whole lot more active in taking charge of our own affairs. We also need to abrogate all damaging trade agreements now!

Unreported Crimes

This band of brigands is engaging in Treason, Subversion, Fraud and Theft right under our noses. These are major crimes. I daresay there's a good bit of unreported Bestiality too.
Who do we call, Crimestoppers?

Harper's Tough on Crime Bills

For some considerable time an overwhelming number of canadian citizens have complained of the inadequacy of the sentencing procedures meted out by our judges. The lenient sentences imposed - particular upon repeat offenders - has caused considerable alarm in communities across Canada. The police forces constantly wring their hands when after exhaustive police work guilty criminals are given a slap on the wrist and released back into the community after a very brief jail term, or a suspended sentence. Repeat offenders and dangerous criminals are the bane of canadian society. With the public at risk from these criminals there has been an overwhelming demand upon our politicians to toughen the laws and ensure that our judges impose mandatory sentences. For a considerable number of years the federal liberals, and their step sisters the NDP have acted as 'sob sisters' in regard to canada's criminal population. First and foremost the public must be protected, and not be subject to whims of dangerous criminals, and repeat offenders who have benefitted from inadequate sentences. Obviously suitable conditioning should be given to all prison inmates while they serving their sentence. But on no account should they be released before their sentence elapses.
I am pleased that Mr Harper is tackling this whole issue head on and responding to the wishes of an overwhelming number of citizens.

tobeornottobe

http://www.employeescreen.com/iqblog/criminal-recidivism-rates-in-canada/

More jails aren't going to be much help with recidivism. In fact, more jails will only exacerbate the situation.

Jails for Criminals?

I think not. These jails are being constructed for profit and I believe, for the upcoming protests against the conservatives.

"It's not that crime rates are falling. The reporting of crime is in fact falling." What increase in crime? There isn't any and they know it. They know the Conservative/Bilderberg agenda is going to cause problems and they are building for the future. G20 was a warm up and the worst for the Con/Bilderbergers is coming soon.

Build it and they will come

Gwyn Morgan's SNC-Lavalin is in a good position to profit here. They can build the jails (like in Libya) and provide "security consultants" to staff them.

These think tanks and astro-turf billionaire movements have been

a part of Harper's political armamentarium since he started in Politics-this speech he gave to a right wing christian republican group when he was a member of Nationl Citizens Coalition, why more hasn't been made of this I have no idea but it would destroy anyone else in politics. Are people getting warnings or something. I don't hear bacck from anyone I send it to and I found it on CTV website: Full text of Stephen Harper's 1997 speech
Canadian Press
Date: Wednesday Dec. 14, 2005 9:20 PM ET

OTTAWA — The text from a speech made by Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, to a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing U.S. think tank, and taken from the council's website:

Ladies and gentlemen, let me begin by giving you a big welcome to Canada. Let's start up with a compliment. You're here from the second greatest nation on earth. But seriously, your country, and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world.

Now, having given you a compliment, let me also give you an insult. I was asked to speak about Canadian politics. It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians.

But in any case, my speech will make that assumption. I'll talk fairly basic stuff. If it seems pedestrian to some of you who do know a lot about Canada, I apologize.

I'm going to look at three things. First of all, just some basic facts about Canada that are relevant to my talk, facts about the country and its political system, its civics. Second, I want to take a look at the party system that's developed in Canada from a conventional left/right, or liberal/conservative perspective. The third thing I'm going to do is look at the political system again, because it can't be looked at in this country simply from the conventional perspective.

First, facts about Canada. Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it. Canadians make no connection between the fact that they are a Northern European welfare state and the fact that we have very low economic growth, a standard of living substantially lower than yours, a massive brain drain of young professionals to your country, and double the unemployment rate of the United States.

In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance.

That is beginning to change. There have been some significant changes in our fiscal policies and our social welfare policies in the last three or four years. But nevertheless, they're still very generous compared to your country.

The speech is to long to be posted here but I will send it

to the editor and whoever else's email I can get that might make hay out of this here. I don't remember much being said about it previously but then again, I may not have been payin much attention.
Sincerely,
RR

Hey tobeornottobe

Your points re: lenient sentencing may be correct on some scores and hard to refute...

but this does not mean it's okay to lie to the public! The Tories have manufactured evidence to support their "crime is on the rise" policy direction. I'm sure it is possible to do something about judicial miscarriages without going after slews of pot smokers and building more prisons in which to transform them into the very hardened criminals we all fear.

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

"More jails aren't going to be much help with recidivism. In fact, more jails will only exacerbate the situation." I agree.
Our society is upside down--the wealthy and powerful few are at the top of the pyramid and the rest, including children and the elderly, are at the bottom. Until we change our priorities, we will never improve our society. Until we take care of children and give them the very best of creative opportunities and until we give prisoners hope and opportunities, we will never improve our society. The 'Harper Government' has it all wrong. First clue? They canceled the National Childcare Program and put the half billion $$ into 'general revenue' (read, as one lady said, 'military spending').

Question

"More jails aren't going to be much help with recidivism. In fact, more jails will only exacerbate the situation."

How do more jails exacerbate the situation? How do jails increase incidence of recidivism?