It makes absolutely no

It makes absolutely no difference who happens to be the so called "leader".

Thanks to the deregulated money creation powers given to a special interest class, now ruling the world with the power of imaginary capital, the multinational corporate mafia is in charge of this and all other governments, and they do as they're told.

Campbell was "invited", or rather ordered, to attend the secret meeting of the Bilderbergers, a criminal organization disguised as "prominent business leaders", and got his orders.

Meanwhile the corporate machine is at work behind the scenes to ensure another government by the same gang, or else they'll ruin the economy, as they have started during the last NDP government.

Gordie has a nice string of directorships waiting for him in '13 and whatever happens now is nothing more than a PR circus to lead people down the garden path, believing that they're living in a democracy, where governments govern.

Ed Deak.

Campbell won't resign

I don't think that Campbell will bow to the inevitable and resign. He is so adamant that he is right that only a completely open rebellion amongst the Liberals will have any effect on him.

He deserves, and needs to be gone, but he will have to be thrown out by his party, rather than having him do the right thing and resign "for the good of the party".

What Ed Deak Said

Fiat Lux says it all. We remain transfixed at the rotating personalities that come and go in a highly controlled economic and class system. Once they outlive their usefulness (Brian Mulroney, Bill Bennett, Vander Zalm, Campbell) they are summarily booted out by their corporate masters and replaced with yet another "leader", eager to show the powers that be that they can deliver more profits than the last guy.

As long as we remain fixated on the personality of the leader, the system will never change. Campbell's replacement, whoever he/she is, will not change life for BC's citizens one bit.

Good! Can he go today please?

It wouldn't be a moment too soon.

"I don't think that Campbell

"I don't think that Campbell will bow to the inevitable and resign. He is so adamant that he is right that only a completely open rebellion amongst the Liberals will have any effect on him."

Maybe, but if one or two of the recalls work out in January, you'll see the open rebellion in no uncertain terms. It's barely suppressed now, thus Godon's need to hand out plumb high paying cabinet positions to those most in danger of recall.

Campbell Is Too Arrogant To Resign

He is and his recent public address ($240,000.00 was a waste of money BIG TIME!)and the overnight IPSOS Poll clearly indicates that British Columbians either were unimpressed by anything this man has to say or we simply just don't believe anything this man says period. I think that it's the latter that most people feel. The bungling of the BC Liberals has gone one for too long at our expense. The HST issue will be remembered as the nail in the BC Liberal coffin. Too bad, these people have zero sympathy from me as they did 100% of this to themseleves, they lied to the voters, they covered up and hid the truth, our fearless leader was charged with drinking and driving and worst of all is that the BC Liberals are very poor stewards of our economy. They have ignored some of the key issues that face us all everyday, poverty, higher user fees on various services and the Campbell government has created a lot of hostitily with the electorate for being arrogant and uncaring and dishonest. They failed and we need an election, that is the bottom line in BC. I doubt that Campbell would ever conceed to this unless his party demands it at the upcoming BC Liberal convention.

Not so sure he should leave.

I have mixed feelings about Campbell leaving early. Personally it would do my heart good to see his arse kicked by the electorate in an election. I do suspect he will be appointed by some of the very business interest who are now so worried, to a variety of lucrative directorships. So he will get his undeserved reward from them. He is deserving of the same political infamy as Bill Bennett of insider fame. History will not be kind to these crooks when the full scale of their damage to the province is viewed.

Jim,.....The Liberals and

Jim,.....The Liberals and Campbell didn't fail.

They've followed the instructions they were given by their owners to the letter.

Wealth can not be created, only taken and it was their job to take and give.

The same applies to the Harper gang.

It won't make any difference who the leader will be. The instructions will remain the same, as it is to governments all over the world.

Ed Deak.

Trouble is; who do we get to hate next?

It must have occurred to many before me, but we do love to hate our political leaders in BC, don't we? Just think of the list of former premiers and you will see what I mean. Campbell is a particularly fine figure to hate, with his drinking and driving, BC Railgate and the complete letting off Basi and Virk, and who knows how many other crooks are hiding under the skirting boards.

On top of his political sleaze, he has a personal sleaze that redefines sleaze. I hope he ends up selling neon signs. That is what he does best.

We sorely need a third party in BC, one that is not tied to the unions nor the business interests of a few millionaire executives.

Anything that keeps Wally Oppal off my TV screen would work. Putting him in charge of an enquiry into wrongdoings that occurred on his watch is incestuous.

Rotten

Oh, how the BC Liberals would love us to 'Believe' that this is just about Gordo.

It isn't.

They (all the BC Liberal MLA's) voted for his policies and supported them enthusiastically in the legislature and were responsible for passing these regressive policies into laws without uttering one word of dissent.

The only two BC Liberal MLA's who deserve any praise for having the courage of their convictions during the most authoritarian decade in the history of this province are Paul Nettleton and Elayne Brenzinger.

As for the ever-devoted Mr. Lekstrom, before speaking out he waited until his premier had totally dismantled all of our most vital social infrastructure, our public assets and resources....and along with them the democratic process. In the legislature he vigorously defended the selling of BC Rail and all of the other disastrous legislation brought in by the BC Liberals under Gordon Campbell.

While Gordo facilitated the privatization agenda of the corporate crew backing him, his MLA's likewise facilitated and represented that same vile corporatism by naying and braying their total agreement like trained donkeys.

They represented the will of corporations instead of the will of the people.

None of them showed a shard of respect for democracy...

Unless it was out of sheer self-interest and opportunism....as evidenced by the eleventh hour 'conversion' of both Lekstrom and Bennett.

This rotten to the core party arrogantly spit in the eye of democracy over and over again.

This province reeks from the stench of them.

The New Era.

The Golden Decade.

And who could forget....'The Heartlands'?

Ha! and Ha! again.

For all their attempt to control the flow of public information, this government will not escape their vile record - and the word treasonous will be used.

Among other revealing adjectives.

Make it quick and painless

Take a quick boat to retirement Gordon. Don't stray to far because after your BC Liberals are done in office the people of BC will be checking into your past possible criminal actions as premier.

NDP Still Has a Lot of Work To Do

Nobody in the NDP should be complacent in thinking that the Liberals are so low in the polls that the next election is a done deal in favor of the NDP. Besides the example mentioned by Bill Tieleman. don't forget that the Social Credit party changed leaders in about 1986 when it was very low in the polls and Bill Bennett had quit. Bill Vanderzalm was elected leader, and even though his term was a disaster, the fact is that the Social Credit party got four more years in office.

The NDP needs to convince the public that it is capable of governing and that it is competent to manage the economy. Mike Harcourt did that and we had 10 years of good NDP government. Carol James has to do that now, and the rest of the MLA's and the party need to get behind her and contribute in a positive way to convincing the public to vote NDP. It is not good enough just as sit back and hope to win by default, because that probably won't happen.

The Liberals future

It is clear the Liberal members have already delivered a resounding "get rid of him" message to the caucus. The caucus meets later this week to deliver that message to Gordon, who probably already knows the results anyway. The caucus, in collaboration with Gordon, will then carefully craft an "elegant" manner in which Gordon will depart in an emotional farewell speech staged at the annual convention, presumably containing elements which will emphasize his "good" works and "integrity". He will then sail off into the sunset to the thunderous applause of all delegates assembled. Shortly thereafter the process to select a new leader will begin, but how the heck will they find anyone willing to step in who is not already deeply despised by the electorate?

Don't even THINK of going there Dianne - you can do much better with your own new party!

Press secretary in waiting

Bill,

Your sounding like a press secrtary in waiting bro.

Recently I have been shaking my head reading your stuff.

The Basi Virk piece was so apologist and shallow I am damn sure you are gonna be spinning lines for the gallery anytime.

Now this respinning of the liberal story of how its all Gordo is equally appauling. I know Carole's shop is communication challenged but that leaves a kot of runway for you bro and you regurgitate Liberal talking points?

Bill you and I know this fricking government has undertaken the single most destructive term of Governance the Province has ever seen.

Cleaning up the fricken mess is gonna be a yeomans job even if you spin puff like this from now until 2013.

What the hell happen to you bro?

Remember the good old Clark days? Taking on the banksters and running by the seat of your pants to an electoral victory few thought possible.

You used to mean something man....

Its to weep...

Put down your purse and get out your sword bro, we bot a freaking Proving to pull out of the fire.

Sheesshhhh

Getting rid of the virus will not clear up the infection

The party is full of self serving, corporate kissing mla s who have no concern for the voters in this province. All of them are responsible for the deceit and the complete waste of our resources and tax dollars. They ALL have to go....

We can get rid of the

We can get rid of the politicians, at least still and now, but how do we get rid of the multinational corporate mafia, who are giving them their orders, and the professors who are inventing the ideological scriptures justifying enslavement and destruction ?

The politicians are only the pimps for a sick system, collectivizing everything, in the best Soviet fashion, into the hands of a ruling sector.

Ed Deak

Well Bill - credit where credit's due

You were right, I was wrong - the witch is dead.

Now lets move on the rest of the coven.

Dealing with the corporate mafia... the main task.

Yes, Campbell is gone.... improving the BC Liberal's chance by just that much. Now, the question is, will the Party be spared, or share in Campbell's crime wave blame?

"We can get rid of the politicians, at least still and now, but how do we get rid of the multinational corporate mafia, who are giving them their orders, and the professors who are inventing the ideological scriptures justifying enslavement and destruction ?" Ed Deak

Which is the very nub of it for sure, Ed. The politicians are there but as the "frontmen", to take the blame, come and go as the "dispensible" parts of the system that help ever keep the corporate/capitalist beating heart of it untouched and alive, hopefully, forever.

The only way to get at the corporate mafia itself is through a system of "democratic" control of the economy, by workers/through their unions etc and "community", or "the public interest including consumer, environmental reps etc. And to get to that, there is going to have to be first, a renewal of trade union leadership and ideas, their alliance with "community" interest groups such as environmentalists etc, a political front to change laws and the overall legal environment. And to get to that, there needs to be a massive/powerful working class/professional and broader citizens movement built a) to demand it, and create the mass that can push it through over ruling class opposition and (b) defend it if challenged by ruling class controlled forces.

Not really complex, but indeed heart in throat calling for courage, will and determination... and organization.

Coyote

And this is all going to come to pass through the efforts of people that don't show up at elections?

The people in this new dynamic movement are going to come from the lazy and apathetic?

I'm willing to go on record and say it'll never happen because when the rubber hits the road the members of your new movement won't show up.

Gordo is gone!

Good call bill. Just goes to show how credible you are, and how much you ARE paying attention. Perhaps more that Campbell! To bad the damage is already done.

The Progressive and Left Vote...

"I'm willing to go on record and say it'll never happen because when the rubber hits the road the members of your new movement won't show up." Frank.

Well, there's no "movement" as yet, that I'm aware of. So one "prediction" is probably as good as another, at this point.

That said, it's clear by now... What?... Seventy odd years since the end of the Great Depression, and more than that of NDP/CCF history, plus the collapse and gutting of the old Social Democratic State of the postwar. ...that "the system" and its content are sure as hell not going to be changed through the party system to capitalism, wherein ALL the parties without exception are critically agreed on the desirability of the endless growth, greed driven economic order.

So, even allowing for where you and your Party are coming from Frank, we could swing a bag of horse poop in a sack over our heads, and more likely significantly change the social order than you guys and gals. Relying on you guys has proved like waiting for the Second Coming of The Lord. (Yes, and I know. Many good folks are still waiting for Jesus too. And I hope they're right as well, like I hope the NDP will transform itself.) Sorry, but I've lost the "faith".

You prove me wrong Frank, and I'll be the first one on bent knee before you. The very least you guys might benefit from is... some competition for vision, and from your seriously Progressive and Left. Hopefully, we can do you the favour. :-)

Your assumptions of "right" to the progressive and left vote needs to be challenged. Whether it will be or not, we shall see. At this moment, I'm still a movement of one. :-) lol

More On The Progressive and Left Vote...

Frank,

Though it does sound, from some of the chatter here, like maybe there is some "agitation" and "thinking about it" going on... doesn't it? :-)

coyote

Actually I think waving a bag of horse poop over our heads would be less effective than supporting the NDP.

The thing is, it doesn't matter because what I want out of the NDP may not be the same as what you want. You're demanding systemic change and are thus rightly disgusted with the lack of progress on that front coming from the Dippers. Fair enough, but that also means you're not the NDP's target audience since they're not trying to bring on massive social upheaval. They're just trying to make the system fairer and more compassionate.

And on that front I would have to say they've been very successful when they're in power and even somewhat successful when they're not. Canada is not governed the way I want but its better than what we'd have if the CCF/NDP was never formed.

Pensions, unemployment insurance, healthcare, welfare, special education teachers, environmental safeguards, minimum wages, labour safety standards and so on wouldn't exist without people like J.S. Woodsworth and Tommy Douglas and numerous others criticizing the system and threatening the powers that be with the possibility of a left-wing government.

As for proving you wrong, that's not my intent nor my goal. Because the goalposts are your own creation, only you can decide what's important for you and if the NDP isn't then far be it from me to try and convince you otherwise.

For myself I used to be disappointed when I saw low electoral turnouts because I thought there might be opportunity for Dipper growth there that wasn't being realized, but over time I realized that for the most part those aren't people the NDP lost, they wouldn't vote NDP even if they were forced to vote.

Those Who Adapt Survive, Those That Don't Perish

It is an absolute truth that those organisms and animals that can adapt to their environment will survive, and those that fail to adapt will perish. So it is with any social movement that is based on changing the capitalist system to some form of socialism or something. It ain't gonna happen. Try that platform with real candidates in a real election and you will get about as far as the perennial Marxist-Leninist candidates. Strike a blow for the underdog and collect 100 or so votes.

The NDP needs to adopt a platform that will win elections. provide good government and implement its agenda incrementally and moderately. The reason the Barrett government blew it in 1975 was it tried to do too much, too fast and it made a lot of people nervous by drifting too far left in some areas. Mike Harcourt did a lot of good things and ran more the style of government that Carol James needs to adopt.

Yes, Frank, we just need tweak here and there

Fair enough, but that also means you're not the NDP's target audience since they're not trying to bring on massive social upheaval. They're just trying to make the system fairer and more compassionate.

I presumed I wasn't its target audience, being a progressive constituent in Carol James' electoral district and not having four of my emails answered, three unacknowledged. But I digress.

It is nice to have a party insider, of sorts, state up front that the NDP is in it to gain power and not to represent all the people of BC as well as it possibly can.

samuidave

That's true, the NDP is not trying to represent the cranks and the wild-eyed that want massive social and economic upheaval.

There are lots of other parties available as well as independent candidates that would be open to gaining support from any corner.