Ed Deak Number Two.

Ed: "There have been studies after WW2, with great details, that the energy and resources wasted in fighting, would have given a very high standard of life to everybody on Earth."

Right, Ed, don't fight Hitler when he's killing millions & trying to take over the world.

The silly calculus that every penny saved by Gov'ts. leaving Hitler or Stalin alone, would automatically go to every nation in the world, to give them a lovely lifestyle is quite laughable.

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Obvious solution to the bitumen storage issue

Pump it to Calgary and fill Glenmore Reservoir with bitumen until it can be shipped to the USA. There are dozens of natural lakes and even streams in Southern Alberta that could be used to store bitumen; the Bow River for one. The great thing about this idea is that all the bitumen would end up in Medicine Hat anyway. Perfect!

Just joking, silly. I wouldn't want anyone to do to Southern Alberta what has already been done to the people of Fort McKay and Fort Chipeweyan. Although the idea of force-feeding bitumen to Stephen Harper and Peter Kent would be entirely appropriate.

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right

"From the perspective of the energy systems of the earth, [the project] sounds absurd," Charles Hall, a prominent energy analyst and ecologist at the State University of New York, said when contacted by The Tyee.

Add in the traumatic environmental destruction and only a bought and paid for shill of the Global elite could even contemplate, let alone bombastically endorse, such an abject failure.

Speaking of failure, PM Harper comes immediately to mind.

And this is exactly what should be happening:

"The tar sands should be left in ground until we can find a more elegant and energy efficient way of dealing with them," the firm's Chris Peter told The Tyee, adding, "if that ever occurs."

firefox007

don't fight Hitler when he's killing millions & trying to take over the world.

...and now for the rest of the story. Hitler was funded by the same financiers to the Allied forces with assurances to the financiers, as collateral, that they will repay the debt of the loser upon the end of the war. The same financiers who have control of the world's central banks (BIS, IMF, World Bank) which direct the national and regional central banks like the ECB, the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve. The same financiers who have control of the transnational corporations which have oligopolies in energy, the media, health, food, and natural resources.

So I wonder, do you honestly think Hitler just decided he was going to 'take over the world' on his own? This shit doesn't happen without a known money supply to run these horrific operations that ruin nations and destroy millions of lives annually. The problem is a 'little' bigger than Adolph Hitler. /sarcasm

Ed Deak

In our present case it isn't Harper, but what he has learned in schools and university, and had to write his term and exam papers on, without the mental capacity to understand what it was all about.

No, Ed Deak, it is Harper.

There are tens of thousands of folks who have gone through the same schooling program as Stephen Harper, and the majority of them, though likely just as delusional about economics, are not the psychotic type of persons who think they are justified sinners.

It take a special kind of sicko to behave with complete disdain and contempt for others, then smile at them and pretend he sincerely gives a shit. This sort of social miscreant's disease runs far deeper than a university education.

When control is in the hands of psychopaths

We have no lack of scientific evidence the tar sands are both an ecological and environmental disaster. The evidence is beyond reproach. The problem is our governance has been usurped by corporate psychopaths who have no concern for anything but short term profit. All long term pain is "externalized". For these people, there is no downside. Unfortunately for us, we have handed these psychopaths the reins to power. We are now faced with the challenge of wresting the reins back as quickly as possible. This has to be our collective focus and we have no time to lose.

"economy" as Enbridge sees it

As heard yesterday on CBC, Robyn Allan did some serious digging through Enbridge's own documents. The resulting vision is very eye-opening, to say the least.
http://www.robynallan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Economic-Assessment-of-Northern-Gateway-January-31-2012.pdf

igbymac

“No, Ed Deak, it is Harper.

There are tens of thousands of folks who have gone through the same schooling program as Stephen Harper, and the majority of them, though likely just as delusional about economics, are not the psychotic type of persons who think they are justified sinners.”

A particularly odd bit of logic coming from someone that claims to understand that most of our thinking and behaviour is a product of something deeper.

We become what we’ve been conditioned to believe is true. We are convinced our beliefs are true when we recognize that those around us accept the same life stories and similar beliefs.

If we ever hope to understand how folks like Harper or Hitler gain power and influence we must focus on the process through which this conditioning took place. Unfortunately it’s a task few, certainly those with power and influence, are willing to undertake.

This is the reason why many of those that share an environmental ethic will unflinchingly insist that they are doing everything that one can reasonably expected to do about the environment, all the while pursuing a “justified sinner” lifestyle that’s difficult to distinguish, on many levels, from other folks that “pretend to give a shit”, like Harper.

Yes, you and Ed are partly correct, but schools, universities and religious beliefs are little more than symptoms of a much greater problem that, if we really look closely, underlies the behaviour of the “tens of thousands of folks who have gone through the same schooling”.

Labour shortages and jet fuel

The plans to triple tars sands output will reported face a 250,000 worker shortage. The perverse result is that we may fly in foreign workers to do this. Keep in mind this flying in and out will happen on a three week rotation. So, we will use Alberta jet fuel to help mine more tar sands to make more synthetic crude and jet fuel to keep the whole expansion process going. A bit circular!

Royal Canadian Air Farce skit:
Man to drunk sitting on the ground drinking:
Why do you drink?
Drunk: To forget
Man: What are you trying to forget?
Drink: That I drink...

The world has always been

The world has always been controlled by brainwash to make people sacrifice their lives and send their kids under the knives of priesthoods, hoping to gain salvation

I was recruited by the British in 1948, at the beginning of the Cold War and spent several years at Cambridge, as a farmworker, under various names, including my present one, studying how brainwash, at that time the communist propaganda machine, works and how to fight it ?

Capitalist propaganda is basically the same, albeit more refined and, without a secret police to enforce it, less brutal. Plus the fact that we still have a degree of the freedom of speech.

It always has been, is, and will be the simple fact that wealth can not be created, only taken, which has been the cause of all disasters, wars, crimes and destruction in history.

The first thing to remember is that so called "economists" are simply a priesthood, dealing with and selling "faith".

Harper is an obvious mental case, written all over him and has been scaring me ever since I first saw his photo as one of Manning's right hand lieutenants some 20, or more, years ago.

But it was his university studies that gave him, and others, the licence to go wild.

All actions and crimes in history, and the present, have always been "licenced" by faith and always for "wealth control and taking" by predator ruling classes.

Ed Deak.

Lyrics to King Crimson's "Epitaph"

The wall on which the prophets wrote
Is cracking at the seams.
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams.
When every man is torn apart
With nightmares and with dreams,
Will no one lay the laurel wreath
When silence drowns the screams.

Between the iron gates of fate,
The seeds of time were sown,
And watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known;
Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back
and laugh.
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying.

Credits: ROBERT FRIPP, PETER SINFIELD, IAN MCDONALD, GREG LAKE, MICHAEL GILES
From the album "In the Court of th eCrimson King" released October 1969.

Knowledge is a deadly friend

There’s a Grand Canyon of knowledge and understanding that must be crossed if we are going to make a connection between “brainwashing”, universities and wealth as a cause of war, crimes and destruction.

Understanding that propaganda works and exposing propaganda is not the same as knowing the subtleties and conditions that underlie how and why the human mind allows it to work.

The tar sands are about 15% oil and 85% sand

Any processing to separate them is extremely inefficient. If it were done efficiently, by some magic process, the remaining sand would be contamination-free. There is no magic process, just a great big mess.

Alberta should consider exporting the sand with the tar, and let the customer sort them out. The resultant lakes could be great fishing.

KWD

"There are tens of thousands of folks who have gone through the same schooling program as Stephen Harper, and the majority of them, though likely just as delusional about economics, are not the psychotic type of persons who think they are justified sinners.”

A particularly odd bit of logic coming from someone that claims to understand that most of our thinking and behaviour is a product of something deeper.

There is nothing 'odd' about the logic; I believe you are simply picking up the narrative in an incomplete way. I agree 'we are what we learn' (with certain biological and reptilian-brain reservations) but the question remains, Why do we learn what we learn?

If we ever hope to understand how folks like Harper or Hitler gain power and influence we must focus on the process through which this conditioning took place.

Again, I agree that we need to look at the process. And that is what I was aiming at in the post immediately above the one you cite. Reference that post and see if it clarifies the issue. [Somehow I omitted control of the educational system in my list, clearly a huge oversight.]

In essence, we are following a societal lifestyle which is determined, taught to us, and controlled in its important aspects by the very elite. And its dead simple to understand why those on top want to keep it that way. With your being familiar with my discourse on matters in general, KWD, you are likely aware of how I routinely mention this as the imperialism of culture.

If there is something even deeper than this cultural narrative perpetuated by accepted authority, I am not aware of it. So, in all seriousness, please explain.

That said, we can return to the nature-nurture argument about why the Harpers of the world behave as they do. I think my point with Ed Deak was not to suggest that academic learning was unimportant in shaping his misguided views -- as I offered up the other delusional souls as evidence of that (no doubt we can include myself in that backwater pool) -- but that there is something more.

I've no evidence here, but it seems to me that there are a relatively small number of people who, given the same information as Harper, Hitler or even Gandhi or Jesus, would behave in the same fashion. It's pretty obvious that the entrenched system just thrives easier with the destructive oddities at the helm at times than with the constructive ones.

KWD

I should add, quickly, I am talking along the avenue of thought regarding the information provided to us all, not the incredible workings of the brain/ mind (another topic altogether).

Atomic Energy Investment

A few people are trying to sell all of the people of Alberta (they just pay for it) a new Electrical Transmission grid, North to South, as "alternative" sources to power the tar sands are being explored.
Americans are paying record high fuel prices, $0.70 more than 1 year ago.
$3.43 a US gallon = $0.906 a litre.

"Fortunately"....

....the energy required to process the tar sands is a completely different set of books than the energy gained by the end product - and the two sets of books will never meet.