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Liberals All Now Believe in Listening
Jockeying for positions begins as hopefuls enter leadership race.
Next stop? Outgoing Premier Campbell with leadership hopeful Kevin Falcon.
The field of contenders to become leader of the British Columbia Liberal party and replace Gordon Campbell as premier is becoming more crowded by the day.
Attorney General Michael de Jong, a lawyer and former Junior B hockey player who is one of the province's scrappier cabinet ministers, is set to enter the race today with a 10 a.m. "significant announcement" to be made at the Abbotsford airport.
He joins former Health Services Minister Kevin Falcon who jumped into the race Tuesday, as well as former cabinet ministers George Abbott and Moira Stilwell, who announced their candidacies last week.
Radio talk show host and former MLA Christy Clark has said she is thinking about entering the race, and Solicitor General Rich Coleman announced today he'd planned to enter this week, but decided not to.*
A poll circulated by Clark's supporters suggests she would make the most popular leader and have the best shot at defeating the NDP in an election, but with the leadership vote not until Feb. 26, there remains plenty of room for movement among the candidates.
The race becomes a question of how the various candidates distinguish themselves from each other, something not altogether easy when most have sat around the same cabinet table and voted the same way on major issues, including the adoption of the harmonized sales tax.
Various positions
First into the race was Moira Stilwell, a rookie MLA who was made minister of advanced education, who few seem to see as a serious contender. While she has little experience in politics, she has a career as a doctor to draw on.
My CFAX co-panelists on Public Eye radio, David Cubberley and Sheila Orr, implied on the weekend that she in fact had little else to offer.
And being a doctor may even be a liability, if Stilwell keeps talking like she does on her Facebook page: "As a doctor, one of the first questions I asked patients was, 'where does it hurt?' and then I would try to take away the pain. So now, as BC Liberal leadership candidate, I'm asking British Columbians, 'where does it hurt?' Let me know so that I can try to make it better."
She did say she supported raising the minimum wage to $10 an hour, a break with nine years of Liberal government policy keeping it at $8 an hour.
Abbott and Falcon each also said the minimum wage may need to be increased. Abbott suggested a consultative review of it, similar to what the government happened to launch last week. Falcon also said he agrees with raising the minimum wage, in consultation with business. "If we were smart, we should have adjusted it to inflation," he said.
They also hit similar notes about building a free enterprise economy, supporting families and bringing rural and urban communities together. Both support moving up the date for the vote on the HST to June 2011. Falcon, though, mused about reducing the HST to 10 per cent.
Falcon said he would, "Listen to people, learn from people and then lead... and lead decisively."
Abbott said his leadership would involve listening and consultation. "Divisions won't be healed by any one decision out of Victoria... The only enduring change is collaborative change."
Competing endorsements
Cabinet ministers at Falcon's launch were Labour Minister Iain Black, Children and Family Development Minister Mary Polak, Community, Sport and Cultural Development Minister Stephanie Cadieux and Minister of State for Climate Action John Yap.
Other MLAs in attendance were Dave Hayer (Surrey-Tynehead), Rob Howard (Richmond Centre), Douglas Horne (Coquitlam-Burke Mountain), John Les (Chilliwack), Joan McIntyre (West Vancouver-Sea to Sky) and Ron Cantelon (Parksville-Qualicum).
"I've seen Kevin emerge from being a feisty young man to a passionate leader in our caucus," said Cantelon.
Cadieux said it was Falcon who got her into politics, and he has shown by example how to be a great MLA. "We are going to have an exciting future with Kevin Falcon."
Supporters attending Abbott's announcement in Vancouver included Environment Minister Murray Coell and MLAs Gordon Hogg, John Van Dongen, Richard Lee, John Rustad and Don McRae. Wanting to come but unable to make it were MLAs Kash Heed, Norm Letnick and John Slater, according to Hogg, who introduced Abbott. Several small town mayors and two First Nation's chiefs also attended.
Hogg said Abbott is "a man who will bring a new collaborative style of leadership" to the party and the province.
And while Falcon is selling himself as a "new generation" of leadership, Abbott already has the support of several key B.C. Young Liberal executives.
Cabinet ministers yet to announce an endorsement are Colin Hansen, Ben Stewart, Mary McNeil, Ida Chong, Pat Bell, Kevin Krueger, Barry Penner, Shirley Bond, Margaret MacDiarmid, Steve Thomson, Naomi Yamamoto and Rich Coleman.
Attorney General de Jong's announcement will be made in Abbotsford at the same time as the provincial cabinet is meeting in Victoria.
Polling popularity
And while Clark is yet to announce she will enter the race -- she's taking a week off from her CKNW radio talk gig to think about it, she said -- her supporters circulated a poll to media suggesting she would be the public's favourite.
Asked whom they would prefer as Liberal leader, 40 per cent chose Clark from a list, putting her well ahead of Kevin Falcon (15 per cent), Michael de Jong (12 per cent), Blair Lekstrom (12 per cent), George Abbott (10 per cent) and Rich Coleman (10 per cent).
Conducted between Nov. 19 and 22, the poll did not include Stilwell, whose Nov. 22 entry was a surprise to many.
Those who would "definitely vote Liberal" still preferred Clark. She got the support of 35 per cent of respondents, again ahead of Falcon (21 per cent), Coleman (13 per cent), Abbott (12 per cent) de Jong (10 per cent) and Lekstrom (nine per cent).
The poll also found Clark would beat a Carole James led NDP by a margin of 38 per cent to 27 per cent, with 12 per cent undecided.
Gandalf Group surveyed 800 B.C. adults by telephone and the poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.45 per cent, 19 times out of 20.
Asked about Clark entering the race, Falcon said he welcomes her but gave some indication of where she's likely to be vulnerable. "We want her to commit to staying, win or lose," he said.
And as an observer in one of the other candidates' camps noted, the poll was of the public, not Liberal party members. Ultimately, it's those members who in February will decide who replaces Campbell as leader and becomes premier. Popularity with the public will just be one of many factors in how they decide.
*Story updated Dec. 1 at 11:20 a.m. ![]()




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pianosaurus rex
1 year ago
title change?
The Liberals like listening to themselves make more baloney promises.
verso
1 year ago
geez
"If we were smart, we should have adjusted it to inflation," he said.
Kevin Falcon: kinder, gentler and now smarter.
DJT
1 year ago
"Listen to people"
"Listen to people". HAHAHAHAHAHA! God, I almost fell of my chair. I don't know what's funnier, the fact that Falcon thinks anybody believes stuff like this or the fact that there are those that actually do. Hilarious. Thanks for the morning laugh, Kev. (Listen to me- just go away).
Gary
1 year ago
Lap Dogs
After nine years of this pack of lap dogs the only thing that they can come up with is we are going to listen to the people and "think" about raising the minimum wage.
So, what they are in fact saying is "we didn't listen to you before, we don't know what you want and we are still not going to raise the slave wages.
Just a binch of lap dogs spawned by big business. They have pounded the people into the ground and they still are stupid enough to not realize that they have created a Phoenix. I'm not even worried about the results of the next election because there will be no liberal party in existance after election day.
Hughes
1 year ago
Same ol' same ol'
It's like the old Farside cartoon by Gary Larson...
What a BC voter hears. Blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah...
They're all tainted in some degree by the treachery surrounding the train wreck, the double fudge-it-budget, and the HST. Not one of them hasn't contributed to the cynisism, lack of trust, and betrayal felt by the BC electorate. IMO they're all a bunch of disingenous opportunists who will say anything to get elected.
Public service? Yeah right! Self-serving would be more accurate.
falcon53
1 year ago
Listening to the People
Yes, they will all "listen to the people", and then turn around and do what they want or their big business friends tell them to do. Liars all of them. And unrepentant liars at that.
Of course, in Christy's case, anyone who doesn't agree with what the elite's are planning for us are the "Taliban".
Spare us from these fools.
Camero409
1 year ago
Laughable at the least
outright lying is more likely. When has Falcon listened to anyone unless they are big business. Hey Kevin, I hear big pharma and the American Healthcare Insurance companies knocking on your door, bags of moneyeeeeee...ka ching!
Abbott had lots of time to distance himself right from the get go. He could have started to distance himself with the sale of BC Rail. George, in case you didn't notice, that was an outright contradiction to an election promise! Obviously you weren't listening to the electorate when it happened.
I can't wait for De Jong to declare. I got a question Mike, how did the payoff of Birk/Vasi/Birk happen without you even knowing? Oooops, did you get a memo from Gordo the next day explaining that you really did know?
As for Coleman, is there a TV screen big enough to fit him or his ego onto? By the way Rich, how did your brother get all that land to subdivide on Vancouver Island? How did all that land get out the the reserve again?
Grania
1 year ago
Are these people for real?
Gag me with a bulldozer!
DPL
1 year ago
What a pile of BS, being
What a pile of BS, being spewed by a bunch of Gordo clones. To think that one of the clowns will actually get the job after being voted there by the rest of the Liberal crowd( clowns, and business friends)is downright scary
jim1966
1 year ago
More Of The Same From These Folks?
I think so, I think that our politicians will say or do almost anything to retain power. To be or not be that is really the question here. With both parties in disaray in BC I would say that anything at this point is possible. Ideally the BC Liberals will be put into oppostion and with any luck the people of this province will make honesty a key election platform in 2013 or sooner. I know it's wishful thinking but we need change in how our leaders do our business on daily basis, here is what the voters want, repeal the HST, create and deal with a poverty redcution plan, increase the minimum wage and develop and implement a plan for our economic recovery. Sadly I don't think any of the current BC Liberals ministers can ever honestly run our province due to the shawdow of Campbell hanging in the background. Over the next few months we all will hear a lot of promises from our politicians, I would personally take anything these folks said with a grain of salt and nothing more.
Van Isle
1 year ago
Occassionally I listen to
Occassionally I listen to CKNW and I'm told that all these contenders are good, wonderful, and honourable people. Then I wonder why CKNW doesn't ask questions to these contenders as some of the ones from the above commentors? Is CKNW a front for PAB and the Liberal Party?
alive
1 year ago
A nice put-down by Falcon:
"We want her to commit to staying, win or lose,"
No doubt she would be there to test the waters, and quickly disappear if she fails.
But, chances are that any candidate who does not make it this time, will soon seek that directorship as well
Skywalker
1 year ago
They're still not listening
Everyone of them says the HST was not introduced or sold to the public properly. Not one of them has admitted that the public is angry about the shift in taxes from big business to consumers. Listening? Not a chance. They only listen to the people they get donations from.
Skywalker
1 year ago
Campbell stepping down ...
...is like Putin stepping down. Who controls Russia today? Jim 1966 has a valid point.
verso
1 year ago
...
“Boo hoo.”
- Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon responding to concerns about job losses and increased costs to BC families (Hansard), Feb. 14, 2008
Fiat lux
1 year ago
"Listening to people" means
"Listening to people" means listening to the BCLib. party's owners on what public properties to sell next and how many more people to impoverish to become "more efficient and competitive to create wealth and prosperity" ....well, for a few anyway, not to mention the post politics directorships.
De Jong is a big joke. I made a short presentation once to a traveling budget committee, with some attachments. He couldn't even follow two typewritten pages and kept asking Ms. Chong where I was ?
Ed Deak.
freebear
1 year ago
THe leadership race should be a guest at
Just for Laughs Festival!
There is a shortage of wool in BC as political charlatans have run out of wool to pull over the citizens' eyes!
Peter Dimitrov
1 year ago
The ears - what about the nose? :)
Those ears and the ears of the Liberal Party caucus have been sold to the cronies of business long time ago, and the noses, well Pinocchio has been reborn therein too.
Ed Deak said it best:
"Listening to people" means listening to the BCLib. party's owners on what public properties to sell next and how many more people to impoverish to become "more efficient and competitive to create wealth and prosperity"
Whoever is elected has no mandate from the electorate of BC to become Premier or to utilize the powers that accompany said office. An election will be upon us soon enough putting an end to the Recall campaign and it looks like it will be CJ and the NDP vs. the BC Liebrals & their new Leader, and of course the Green party and perhaps the Conservative party and a smattering of others such as the BC Refederation Party. The fundamental issue of the role of political parties, party leaders and the disempowerment of citizens in this poliical system urgently needs to be addressed despite the charades that go on.
artfudd
1 year ago
All now making same promises..
..(lies) that Campbell promised. So what's new! The only one that 'might' have a hope in hell is Christy Clark because it is widely believed IMO that the real reason she left the Campbell 'clan' was because of Campbell and his lies.
As an NDP supporter and member, I say "Go Christy Go"... simply because it is likely the Libereral will once again lie their way into power because of there not being a plausible alternative in Carol James and the NDP.
So if we 'have' to be stuck again with the Liberals, I would rather see Christy Clark as Premier than any of the ass-lickers that are currently running.
SaveVictoriaHarbour
1 year ago
Glad You Are Listening
I'm glad the "NEW" Liberals are now listening better than the "OLD Liberals.
The 7000+ Victorians who signed the petition to stop the proposed MEGA YACHT MARINA in Victoria Harbour are still here, and ready to vote for politicians who are listening to their concerns & acting on our behalf.
Urbanismo
1 year ago
What do they thinq we are? Donkeys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_G_Qa1jbI
Urbanismo
1 year ago
Ah yes . . . the vote . . .
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=13248
NicS
1 year ago
@ Urbanismo
Your video postings are on the money today. The truth is always more frightening than our individual realities.
offended
1 year ago
They really do think
the voters are stupid, eh?
rcranium
1 year ago
Good Gawd
Good Gawd Almighty,
Everytime these Liebrals open their mouths to spew some pandering pile of B$, the overwhemling stench would make a maggot gag.
"If we told you what we were going to do, you'd never have elected us"(John Crosbie Conservative)
fairweatherfriend
1 year ago
Tell a lie often enough, then..........
Even now, several months later, the Liberals are still trying to portray the unpopularity of the HST's introduction as simply attributable to a poor methodolgy or sales job on their part. Omitted from possible reasons for its unpopularity is the small detail of deceit on their part, i.e.: say one thing, do exactly the opposite. DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH CHANGING THE ARGUMENT!
Fiat lux
1 year ago
Looks like, as I've
Looks like, as I've predicted long time ago, we'll have two leadership conventions in the next few months.
Jenny Kwan has just went open, demanding one.
She can have our votes any time.
Interesting times.
Ed Deak.
jim1966
1 year ago
Fiat lux
I am with you on this one. You got it 100%. Cheers!
alive
1 year ago
About time
Yup, said it before: Jenny Kwan for leader!
lynn
1 year ago
Good for Jenny!
And Jenny has actually responded to every letter we have sent her.... in a concerned, and often warm and personal way.
Feisty in the legislature, I remember her as great at debate at SFU as well.
mica66
1 year ago
They *all* lie.
Liberal, NDP, no difference. They all say what they need to and then do whatever the hell they want (Gregor Robertson, case in point).
Does anyone really believe that the NDP will behave much better?
Skywalker
1 year ago
Yes mica66...
...and the pollling still shows it. But my question to you is what lies have the NDP told you? Be specific now.
SharingIsGood
1 year ago
abused long enough
The Liberals remind me of abusive spouses showing a bit of empathy for themselves because they are about to lose their marriage and their comfy house. Now, they come bearing gifts and swearing that they will never not listen again.
Well, hear this, "Buzz off! We're through! You can talk to my lawyer, and you better get one for yourself. When everything comes out in court, you won't even have your pension left! The kids and I want that too!"
Driftwood
1 year ago
Will we ever change?
Change
1. Make different; cause a transformation
"The liberal government changed the ownership of BC Rail, BC Hydro, many BC forests and many, many BC rivers to the international private sector. They did it to get elected by the monied media and for future considerations."
2. Undergo a change; become different in essence; losing one's or its original nature
"The BC Premier was so unpopular that he was forced to change his plans. But his ideas persevered in his adherents."
3. Become different in some particular way
"The current crop of leadership hopefuls wish to portray themselves as different to the leader they adored for ten ruinous years."
Change you can believe in:
1. Throw out this party of corporate cheer leaders.
2. Re-write the election laws so that corporations and individuals and unions can only contribute a modest amount; in order to keep the playing field level.
3. Take back the assets which were illegally sold/given away by the corrupt liberal government.
4. As the resources of BC are the property of the people of BC and not the property of the BC government which is elected by the monied media, make each and every large sale or give away of BC property subject to the rule of a referendum. Make any change to 'Referendum Law' likewise subject.
Because if you believe that members of 'Gordo's Gang' think differently than Gordo then as sure as God made rotten apples we are going to be served another dish of them. What we need are laws to protect us from illegitimate scams like the system we currently live under. Things change: Will they get better or worse now that we can see where a monied media and private banking are leading us?
'Globalism' is the biggest scam since 'media managed democracy'. We don't need the agents of private corporations who are 'just doing their job' to come here and desecrate our home in the name of 'progress'. Did you know that the American army (Desert Storm) used armor plated bulldozers to bury alive thousands of Iraqi troops who were standing in their trenches with their hands raised in surrender? One tank commander explained that he was 'just doing his job.' People who get along get along, but that doesn't mean we want them in our government. Never surrender.
Driftwood
1 year ago
A clear message
Jenny Kwan announces that she wants a leadership convention and the first four posters out of the gate support her. Well, let me be the fifth.
fairweatherfriend
1 year ago
Where did all the money go??????????????????
A clear pattern seems to be emerging around the globe: governments are going broke or deep into debt, yet many corporations are wallowing in money. I believe goods and services should largely be produced by "the private sector", and governments should be providing social sevices and laying down the groundrules (laws?) for the operation of society, including management of the "private sector". Yet how to explain governments are going broke? Are we the people providing money to our governments, who inturn provide it to the corporations? Who is really in charge in this, the 21st century???????????
Bailey
1 year ago
Are there no torches? Are there no pitchforks?
I was reminded only today that this is a province that once elected a premier who called himself Amor de Cosmos. As a replacement for a judge famous for enjoying hangings, I think it was.
To elect unindicted co-conspiritors would not really be a stretch historically.
RickW
1 year ago
fairweatherfriend
http://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/National%20Office/2010/12/Richest%201%20Percent.pdf
crankypants
1 year ago
I find it
I find it very seldom that I can agree with Bill Good, but today he made a statement about the contestants for the leadership of the BC Liberal Party that fits to a tee. They all seem to be singing from the same songbook. Not one of them has taken the opportunity to separate themselves from their opponents. They sound more as if they are running in a provincial election rather than in a race to become a leader of their party. Has Gordon Campbell's influence on them been so severe that they have lost the ability to think on their own?
From what I have seen and heard so far, they have been so conditioned to acting as bobbleheads that learning to think on their own again may take a whole lot of de-programming.
freebear
1 year ago
Listen, Learn and Lead 2.0
De Jong and Falcon parrotted the exact same line!
And Kwan appeared cool and calm (trying to portray leadership characteristics perhaps) to me in the news report I saw this morning.
Regardless the NDP need to communicate how their path to BC's future will be different than the Liberals!
morechatter
1 year ago
Look at some of the supporters
I find the former Attorney General kinda interesting because he dosen't fit the norm. And how many Attorney Generals is that in the last couple years as Penner is now on the job?
It seemed like de Jong was around long enough to get the BC Rail Job over and out of the way and then it is time for a change. The premier has had to many flakes on the job and people where starting to question Campbell's judgement.
Kwan is a a useless as you can get and If anything the many low income residents need someone to represent them not just collect a pay cheque. When I talk to residents they call her names and say James has done far more than Kwan has ever done and many are sick of Kwan's face. Nothing but grandstanding when its convenient without any real solutions or hope east side residents who don't stand a chance with Kwan as their representative. I bet any poor slob on the east-end could run against Kwan and take her job its not something the MLA is into anyway. It would be the best thing for the neighborhood. So long Kwan.
morechatter
1 year ago
Clark is like rock candy
Hard to bite into and harder to chew.
Clark stayed out of the race because of family, or so she said as Clark's brother also had his hands in there with BC Rail. I can remember the Attorney General and Christie Clark and the Finance Minister all leaving behind the Liberal scandal only it never came about even a child died when she was Minister. George gets the odd job, and Clark does her show, and wants back into office what dah ya know.
Refedbcdotcom
1 year ago
Jockeying for positions begins as hopefuls enter leadership race
This leadership bid is akin to the crew of the Titanic all wanting to be captain just after they hit the iceberg.
As I recall captain Smith also lied when he said the "Titanic was unsinkable".