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Where Is BC's Childcare Program?
While government slowly ekes out a public plan for care of three and four-year-olds, advocates weigh in with a plan of their own.
Six months after election campaign photo-ops, no clear plan.
Premier Gordon Campbell's ill-received address on Oct. 27 dedicated just over three minutes to education, with only a fleeting reference to early childhood education: a promise of 100 new StrongStart centres in the province. But he was noticeably quiet about the long-awaited pre-kindergarten program for three and four-year-olds he promised two years ago.
Though popular with the Human Early Learning Partnership program at UBC, StrongStart programs are not full-day and require a parent or guardian to be present -- not an easy feat for working parents. In comparison, the three and four-year-old program seemed like a victory to childcare advocates who were pushing for wrap-around services with both full-time care and education for infants to 12-year-olds, taking pressure off parents who need to hold down a nine to five job just to keep afloat.
But since the government announced the program during the 2008 throne speech, they've remained mum on their plans, process, and funding for the project, which they hoped to have up and running by 2013.
In an emailed statement to The Tyee, a representative for the Ministry of Education said the ministry was looking at their options for implementing a play-based pre-kindergarten program, including an extended day program, age appropriate and high quality early childhood education and care, and offering parents the option not to enroll their children. There was no mention of a timeline.
'Fastest growth period for human brain'
Charles Campbell has been reporting on early childhood education in B.C. for The Tyee and the Georgia Straight since 2008. He welcomes the new program, even if its unveiling is steeped in government hypocrisy.
"I'm glad that the provincial government is finally taking some steps, but they've been slow to take them. They seem to have forgotten that they killed a comparable initiative when they were first elected. And it's frustrating," he says, referring to the Liberals cancellation of a proposed NDP childcare initiative in 2001.
Not everyone agrees with Campbell's stance on the need for childcare, including some members of the federal government. The federal Liberals had been promising a national childcare program since the 1990s, but it was cancelled by the Conservative government in 2006 -- a move Campbell says is indicative of the government's bias against childcare.
"I was talking to someone the other day, who shall remain nameless because they're a former cabinet minister in the federal government, and they referred to childcare as 'warehousing,'" he told The Tyee.
"Conservatives have a bias towards kids being in the home, parents should raise their children, which is a bit out of sync with the two-income families that are the necessary norm these days... So they think, 'We'll just give them a couple of hundred bucks and they can do whatever they want with it,' and that doesn't create the infrastructure."
Adrienne Montani, provincial coordinator for First Call: BC Child and Youth Advocacy Coalition, says she has nothing against parents spending more time with their children. But as a mother herself, she wasn't able to provide the stimulating developmental activities her children would receive in good childcare and still do the laundry and get supper on the table.
"From zero to age five is the fastest growth period for the human brain, and it's the environment that children are in, in that period, both in the home and out in the community, that matters tremendously, it's shaping the brain. So it's actually sculpting the brain and has lifelong consequences," she told The Tyee.
Current state of childcare
Childcare advocates describe the current state of B.C. childcare as a system in crisis. There are programs available for infants to 12-year-olds, but their spaces are limited and the quality varies. Some programs, like preschools, are only a few times a week for a couple of hours at a time.
Childcare is expensive, too. According to the West Coast Child Care Resource Centre, the cost of infant and toddler childcare in Vancouver ranges from $750 to $1,600 per month, while three to five-year-old childcare ranges from $500 to $1,400 per month. Erin Mlieczko, executive director of ECEBC, believes the pay-for-service model is not only hard on families, but on the early childhood educators (ECEs) who make their living from these fees.
"How we feel is that a user fee system is just never going to work for our sector, because all of our fees come from parents paying us, and childcare is the second-highest thing that a family has to pay for besides their housing," she told The Tyee. "In return, many of our own people within the sector don't get paid all that well and usually don't have benefits."
A 2008 report on ECEs by the Ministry of Children and Family Development estimates their average hourly wage at $17.43 -- significantly less than the provincial average hourly wage of $22.66 that year.
What's the plan?
There are signs the government is working on a strategy for their public program, however. Vancouver School Board Trustee Mike Lombardi told The Tyee that the ministry is telling the board to prepare to take on the influx of three to five-year-olds, but is scant on details.
"We asked the minister to again clarify, what are the government's intentions around three and four-year-olds, so that we can plan for our schools. We've been basically told to plan for full-day kindergarten, so we've done some planning, they said you should all start to factor in early learning for three and four-year-olds into your planning, and we're trying to figure out, what does that mean?" says Lombardi.
"If it goes ahead, like district full-day kindergarten, our staff analysis is that we will have a shortage of space in Vancouver for the number of students we'll have with our projected enrollment, and three, four-year-old programming."
A government feasibility study on early childhood education for three and four-year-olds backs up Lombardi's claim, stating: "Although British Columbia has lost 50,000 students, introducing full day kindergarten and pre-kindergarten for four and three-year-olds would result in an increase far exceeding that loss."
The Early Years Centre option
The Vancouver School Board is not the only organization worried about the lack of government plan for early childhood education. The ECEBC and its sister organization, the Coalition of Childcare Advocates of BC, is so concerned they developed their own proposal called the Emerging Plan for an Integrated System of Early Care and Learning in BC.
The plan outlines a strategy for creating infant-toddler and three and four-year-old Early Years Centres under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education, staffed by trained ECEs, offering both part-time and full-time programs. Children in kindergarten and Grade 1 would see ECEs working with teachers in the classroom, with the option of full-day and full-year care for working parents at an "affordable fee." The plan emphasizes a low-cost to parents with caps on fees, as well as establishing set wage and training levels for ECEs, including recommending the creation of a bachelor of early childhood education degree, as well as a post-basic early childhood education specialty for teachers working with small children.
The new Early Years Centres would not put existing private pre-school and childcare centres out of business, but would "grandmother" them into the program. The government's own feasibility study looks at this option and estimates the cost, including full-day kindergarten for five-year-olds, to be $600 million per year -- $15 million less than the cost of implementing the programs solely in public schools.
Bringing in the private sector is not popular with everyone, however. CUPE, which represents the province's over 10,000 education assistants, almost 2,000 of which have ECE training, are not comfortable with the idea of leaving the care of children to the private sector.
"We don't think that quality service or the public interest is the priority when early learning and care is driven by corporate profit needs, rather than the needs of kids, families and communities," Barry O'Neill, president of the B.C. division of CUPE, said in an emailed statement to The Tyee.
"We believe that creative partnerships within the public sector can and must be pursued to realize high quality and integrated early learning opportunities."
The government has expressed some interest in the plan, however. Mlieczko says bureaucrats from the Ministry of Education and Ministry for Children and Family Development have met with ECEBC and that they have seen the plan, although they have yet to have a formal briefing with either ministry. If adopted by the government, she believes Early Years Centres could be open and operational by 2012-13.
Despite the long wait, childcare advocates like Montani are just pleased that the government is finally taking early childhood education seriously.
"I think we can get really excited about doing a new universal entitlement program for three and four-year-olds, but we really need to do it right, and that's focusing on what we do know about early childhood development and making sure that we take into account the needs of working families, because that's the reality of real families," she says. ![]()




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KWD
1 year ago
"we really need to do it right"
The success of any early childhood education system will be determined largely by the nature of the programs that attempt to provide “stimulating developmental activities”. What tools will be used to sculpt the brain?
Hopefully the plan actually gets beyond just recommending that ECEs have “a bachelor of early childhood education degree, as well as a post-basic early childhood education specialty for teachers working with small children”, and makes it mandatory.
However, if the real reason behind these programs is to “warehouse”, so that parents can join the work force in order to make the GDP numbers look better, the only folks likely to benefit will be the ECEs.
Looking on the bright side, if it is successful, perhaps the constructive play programs could be scaled up a bit and made mandatory for all MPs and MLAs.
jnewcomb
1 year ago
new universal entitlement program?
Too many "new universal entitlement programs" for pro-natalism. We should be discouraging population growth in our high-consumption, totally unsustainable country. All these pro-natalism programs are misguided and only amount to a moral hazard. We should be going to a 1-child policy and rewarding those who reject natalism entirely
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
daycare: corporate welfare
Supporters of the state preferentially funding non-parental child care (all day kindergarten, 'pre-kindergarten,' daycare) are supporting an agenda coming from the World Bank and the OECD to coerce parents into spending more time than they would freely choose (if all choices were equally funded) as 'labour supply', or "employees and consumers" as RBC's daycare lobbyist Charles Coffey has put it.
The Humam Early Learning Partnership mentioned in the article is a top promoter of this agenda, funded by the BC gov, and headed by long time World Bank worker, Clyde Hertzman. A number of other HELPers designing child policy are also with the WB.
Funding non-parental care is a subsidy to employers - ie corporate welfare. This is because according to the OECD and the World Bank and The Economist magazine it:
1 - is intended to artificially swell the labour supply - a large supply means a lower price ie lower wages
2 - lower the price of labour by indirectly subsidizing low wage jobs - a policy of MCJobs for Mums
3 - increase the commodification of uncommodified production (like looking after your own or friends' children, or cooking your own food), ramp up the rat race, and thereby create more corporate profit making opportunities (eg frozen dinners, fast food, daycare) at the expense of society and children's well-being.
Fund families directly and let us choose. Or: do we still think women are too stupid to figure out what's in our own and our children's interests?
More info : www.kidsfirstcanada.org
seg
1 year ago
early care and learning
BC parents and the BC economy are desperate for a system that offers enough spaces, meets the needs of working parents, pays staff a decent wage and is affordable, high quality and accessible. Publicly funded and publicly delivered - the same model as K-12 system - we know the education system is not perfect but its a darn site better than the child care status quo.
mtee
1 year ago
When will we build BC's Childcare Program if not now?
The "Emerging Plan for an Integrated System of Early Care and Learning in BC", is clearly a thoughtful and comprehensive starting point. As with most broad plans, there is always room for constructive input and well thought out adjustments or additions to make it even better.
The building blocks are here. Let's use them.
Child and family poverty in B.C. is a continuing disgrace year after year. After housing, childcare is the single largest monthly expense for many working families. Our society cannot afford to continue our failure in addressing these vital community needs and the waste of our human resources.
G West
1 year ago
@ Kids First Pare...
I don't think so.
The Quebec experience actually debunks your claims - providing affordable and accessible and carefully monitored universal daycare has been a stunning success for Quebec parents, Quebec employers, Quebec early childhood workers and Quebec children.
The idea of paying people to permit them the 'choice' of chasing scare resources - rather than ensuring the resources are available at an affordable price - is Gordon Campbell and Pee Wee Rambo's neo-con mantra and nothing more.
realisticman
1 year ago
Québec's Day-Care Mess
They're trying to clean it up but it has been a gold mine for some. "Carefully monitored", ho ho.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec/quebec-moves-to-tighten-rules-for-private-daycare/article1786458/
G West
1 year ago
Kindly check some actual professional studies
There are several available R/man.
realisticman
1 year ago
Devastating Professional Sudies
Here's one by two academics:
quote"
"The study was done by economists Michael Baker of the University of Toronto, Jonathan Gruber of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Kevin Milligan of the University of British Columbia.
"For almost every measure, we find an increased use of child care was associated with a decrease in their well-being relative to other children," the authors write."
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/montreal/story.html?id=d16cc6be-0622-4719-8b4d-bba03a6a8a76
Another type of professional study is being demanded by the PQ:
"On Thursday, the opposition Parti Québécois demanded an investigation following revelations made by a daycare owner and Liberal party donor."
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/03/18/mtl-daycare-permits-resold.html#ixzz14nWBavBK
What's important? The ideology that says that government must take care of our children, or the children themselves?
By just about any measure studied, the children are suffering.
Added to that is the massive debt that these poor children are being given. As they graduate from state funded for-profit daycare (on government and taxpayer borrowed money) they should be given a little certificate showing them that now they are among the highest debtors in the world. Right up there, and ahead of Italy and Greece! What a heritage!
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/782673--quebec-a-poor-little-rich-province
In FACT, the Québec debt, by far the biggest in Canada, is growing by $22 million A DAY!
http://www.iedm.org/main/content_en.php?content_id=27
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
funding daycare is a Neo Con agenda
The left getting into bed with and getting the $ backing of the powerful corporate right neo-cons/neo-libs is the reason we have billions going to institutional child care so parents can swim in the never-full-enough labour pool.
The 2 Bush presidents put billions into daycare that they and Clinton removed from the poor thru' 'welfare reform', as was also done in Canada.
The World Bank is a neo-con institution.It is the leading backer internationally of states preferentially funding institutional child care far above financing parental care.
Leading promoters in Canada of this agenda working for the World Bank include:
-Clyde Hertzman head of the Human Early Learning Partnership (HELP)in BC
- his close colleagues Fraser Mustard who quotes the Bank and even its ultra neo-lib-con former head Paul Wolfowitz in his Early Years Study II, co-authored by frozen food billionaire Margaret McCain, and called "godfather" by Ontario's 'Early Learning Advisor Charles Pascal)
- Charles Coffey of the RBC
-also working with Hertzman/HELP: Jane Bertrand, Allan Pence, Magdalena Janus, etc.
The neo-libs include Paul Kershaw of HELP and a lead man in daycare promo in BC author of
"Carefair: Gendering Citizenship 'Neo-Liberal' Style"
this is discussed in this paper by a leading Canadian daycare apologist
"Transnationalising (Child) Care Policy: the OECD and the World Bank"
http://www.cccg.umontreal.ca/RC19/PDF/Mahon-R_Rc192009.pdf
for more info and sources
http://www.kidsfirstcanada.org/TYEE-2feb2010.pdf
KWD
1 year ago
Quebec day care
http://www.irpp.org/po/archive/mar04/lefebvre.pdf
"Mediocre quality of care provided:
Over the years 2000-02, the Longitudinal Study of Child Development in Quebec conducted on-site evaluations of the quality of the different settings where children aged 30 to 48 months were cared for, using well-known instruments.
Data from the 1,188 evaluation visits show that the majority of settings (59 percent of not-for-profit and 53 percent of for-profit centres) scored rather low on a scale from inadequate (1) to excellent (7). Although not-for-profit centres are of better quality than for-profit centres,about only one-third of the not-for-profit centres (34 percent) are of good quality (5 or more on the scale), whereas only 7 percent of the for-profit centres were of good quality. About one-third of the forprofit centres (34 percent) are of poor quality (1 on the scale), whereas only 7 percent of the not-for-profit centres have this rating.
Also disturbing from this survey
is the evidence that socio-economically
disadvantaged children are more likely to be cared for in poor quality services than are children from more affluent families. Children from low-income or less-educated families may be triply disadvantaged by being less likely to receive stimulating care at home, less likely to be enrolled in educationally oriented care outside the home and more likely to be receiving low-quality service when they
are in child care.
G West
1 year ago
Milligan's study is laughable
It finds diverging trends in child and family outcomes between Quebec and the rest of Canada, but it does not provide any convincing evidence that the child care reforms are the cause of this divergence, nor that these effects are continuing, rather than transitory.
G West
1 year ago
Further
The evidence that affluent parents have disproportionately taken reduced-fee child care spaces is faulty. When the figures are corrected, there is no basis for this claim based on data from the NLSCY.
rlc
1 year ago
Big Box Child Care not the way to go
Good to see the Emerging Plan to integrate Early Care and Learning featured in this article. Readers can download the Plan at http://cccabc.bc.ca/cccabcdocs/integrated/files/emerging_plan_2010.pdf
Just to clarify an important point - the Plan does not suggest that corporate child care is the way to go. In fact, the Plan is part of a response to the threat posed by the growth of big box child care in BC.
Instead, while the Plan welcomes existing providers who are prepared to be accountable for public funds into the new system, it recommends that all expansion be through services developed and delivered by Boards of Education.
An approach that I hope CUPE and others would support.
realisticman
1 year ago
GWest
You suggested that one look at studies and then the first one that comes up you don't like, even though it was done by three academics from UBC, UT and MIT. Are we surprised? They didn't find out the right things, did they?
KWD
1 year ago
benefits are disproportionate
excerpts from a fairly comprehensive review ...
EARLY CHILDHOOD CARE AND EDUCATION: LESSONS AND PUZZLES by William T. Gormley Jr.(2007)
”A recent Canadian study reached fairly negative conclusions about the relative merits of child care, as opposed to maternal or paternal care. Because the province of Quebec established a policy of universally available child care (at $5 per day), while other Canadian provinces did not, the authors were able to compare outcomes in Quebec with outcomes elsewhere. They found that a variety of socio-emotional outcomes
(hyperactivity, anxiety, aggressiveness) and some health outcomes (child’s general
health; ear, nose, and throat infections) were worse in Quebec than elsewhere in Canada (Baker, Gruber, & Milligan, 2005). No cognitive differences were discovered, but only one measure was used (the Peabody Picture Vocabulary Test).
Although intriguing, the Canadian study suffered from several flaws. A key weakness is that the data excluded children from single-parent families, who have been shown to benefit disproportionately from child care outside the home.”
”The child care literature indicates, for example, that disadvantaged children benefit more from high-quality child care than other children do. And yet disadvantaged children have less access to day care centers than more affluent children (Capizzano & Adams, 2004; Meyers, Rosenbaum, Ruhm, & Waldfogel, 2004, p. 233). Lower-class children enrolled in day care centers also experience lower quality care than upper-class children, though
Not necessarily than middle-class children (Shonkoff & Phillips, 2000, p. 321).”
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
Milligan Que study/Que system harm to cognitive scores
The Milligan/etc study was published in the rigourously peer-reviewed Journal of Political Economy and won the Purvis Prize for economics. Most "child care" literature is not peer-reviewed.
Que's program did result in lower cognitive scores , says peer reviewed study:
"the policy had substantial negative effects on preschool children's Peabody Picture Vocabulary Test scores. The negative effects are found to be stronger for children with mothers who have lower levels of education.
see:
"Childcare Policy and Cognitive Outcomes of Children: Results from a Large Scale Quasi-Experiment on Universal Childcare in Canada"
http://ideas.repec.org/p/lvl/lacicr/0823.html
Que financed its daycare programs (which is far from universal)by de-funding families - taking the CTB, birth bonuses , etc so
"72 percent of Quebec families are worse off under the present system than they
were before the 1997 reform of family assistance programmes"
http://www.irpp.org/choices/archive/vol6no1.pdf
Quebec's ratios (1 staff for 5 babies 0-18 months)virtually make "high quality" impossible.
No one claims that mediocre quality care benefits children. Even programs rated "high quality" on some scales have been called "psychological thalidomide" by Edward Zigler - the father of Head Start in the US.
see
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/20/news/review-television-hidden-cameras-at-day-care-centers.html
G West
1 year ago
I disagree
Why would anyone look to an economist for a study of child care?
In fact, there is an excellent theoretical case for government investments in preschool and early childhood education and care services to correct the problems we've created by developing an 'economy' which requires the vast majority of families to have two parents working outside the home.
In fact, the only upward mobility - marginal though it is - we have in this society comes as a result of that fact.
High-quality child care is beneficial for all children, and especially for children from low-income families. Benefits include the cognitive, academic, social and behavioural and the positive evidence is strongest for centre-based care and for children between about two and five years of age.
Quebec’s reduced-fee child care reforms have had strong effects on reducing the barriers to employment for mothers of children 0-4 years. Their child care reforms are estimated to have increased employment from about 61% of this group to about 69% over the course of a few years – from below the Canadian average to above the Canadian average, and, for the taxpayers among us, the implications are strong for government revenues – close to half the annual cost of the program is covered by the extra government revenues generated.
realisticman
1 year ago
You aways disagree
It would be expected that more mothers were able to enter the workforce but what about the detrimental effect clearly demonstrated on the children? Collateral damage?
http://www.nber.org/papers/w11832
Added to that is the humongous debt that these possibly damaged children will inherit.
http://www.iedm.org/main/content_en.php?content_id=27
Is that irrelevant too?
We know that you want taxes raised and government services expanded, you constantly repeat that belief. Why don't you present us with a couple of peer-reviewed studies, explaining the benefits of what you believe is being thwarted by stupid neo-con government policies, rather than a customary
and repetitive disagreement.
G West
1 year ago
Collateral damage?
Bullshit: pure unadulterated bullshit. Quebec's system has flaws - but they're being worked out and it's working out better for the people of Quebec than Pee Wee's stupid system or Gordon's pipe dreams could even imagine.
Finland has the best education system in the world, bar none, and there public day care is the norm. 24% of children under 3 are in daycare; from 3 – 6 children in daycare account for 66% of all children and among 6 year olds almost 80% are receiving daycare services.
66% of children under school age are in municipal day centres. Only 34% chose family day care.
Furthermore, the majority of children are in full-time care and that proportion is increasing – in fact of children under school age in day care 85% of them are in full-time programs.
There is no collateral damage - collateral damage is what happens when demagogues and religious zealots like Pee Wee get their greedy and mindless hands on the instruments of power.
G West
1 year ago
You want studies
Start by looking at what goes on in Finland - and stop wasting your time with neocon economic studies more interested in proving that government 'can't' do anything properly.
G West
1 year ago
Furthermore
Unlike this backwards country and in this even more backwards province; (where the government bends over backwards to provide funds for independent schools while it starves public ones); where early childhood education is little more than an opportunity for the premier to 'tear up' when he’s emoting about how much he ‘cares’ about BC families and how he’s providing them with ‘choice’.
In Finland, Local authorities are legally obligated to provide a day-care place in the form and at the time.
It’s the LAW.
And, when you're doing that research, maybe you can find out how well teachers are paid in Finland compared to what happens here; how highly regarded they are in that country - compared to what the CEO thinks of them.
Enjoy.
Or, if you prefer, stick to the Fraser Institute – they have lots of ‘studies’ you’ll appreciate.
G West
1 year ago
errata
That's: In Finland, Local authorities are legally obligated to provide a day-care place in the form and at the time requested by parents...
It’s the LAW.
And you can check it out yourself.
Grandma_J
1 year ago
collateral damage?
Whether you agree or disagree with mothers of children under 6 entering the workforce the reality is that almost 70% of them are already there. Young children are being “warehoused” every day in unlicensed daycares or with family members (even mothers) who have no interested in providing a stimulating (or possibly even safe) environment for children. Right now family daycare licensees are monitored mainly for health and safety issues rather than quality of programming or licensee training – which is minimal. Likewise group daycares vary greatly in quality depending (I believe) mainly on the skill and dedication of the staff.
So if we want to prevent young children from becoming “collateral damage” we need to raise the standards of care. We need to provide the funding to pay a decent wage to childcare providers so that we’ll attract many more talented people to the field. Now, if a childcare has a big budget it can afford to hire “the cream of the crop” of ECEs and invest in high quality equipment and supplies. If the budget depends solely on the parents’ ability to pay (as it does now) then it’s pretty obvious the richest families will get the best quality childcare. By making early learning and care part of the education system we can raise and equalize the overall quality of care. In fact we can direct more resources to children at risk.
We can either pay now for high quality care for all children, or we can pay later for the lost human potential that results from ignoring the “warehoused” children who don’t have access to good childcare. Parents are still going to be free to decide whether their children are better off at home or in childcare but at least they won’t have to make the decision based on their ability to pay.
realisticman
1 year ago
GWest
"Quebec's system has flaws - "
I suppose we should be appreciative for this tiny rectification after having before been sternly told that the Québec system has been a, "stunning success ...".
Yes, we agree. The Québec system has flaws.
We hear about them all the time.
http://www.iedm.org/main/show_editorials_fr.php?editorials_id=521
...and it's not just the significant increase
in throat infections.
realisticman
1 year ago
Finland
Interesting features of the Finland childcare system. Note that, by law, it is the municipalities that have to provide the care. Note too that compulsory schooling starts at age 7.:
The Finnish ECEC-system consists of municipal and private services.
The day care fees are based on family size and income level.
The staff in day care centres is required to have at least a secondary-level degree in the field of social welfare and health care.
One in three of the staff must have a post-secondary level degree (Bachelor of Education, Master of Education or Bachelor of Social Sciences).
The adult-child ratio in day care centres is one to seven for 3-6-year-olds and one to four for children under the age of three in full-time day care.
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
G West: you ares citing Milligan Que study
Your info is from the economists Milligan/etc study you disregard - re the increase in mothers' labour force participation and the amt (actually 40%) of program cost covered by increased tax revenue from those mums .
Covering only 40% of the operating costs is pretty not a selling point for the system . It means a huge net $ loss to the public from this program.
Labour Force Participation includes people who are 'unemployed', on paid or unpaid leave from jobs, doing ANY amt of paid work at all, or doing UNpaid work in a family enterprise.
No one asked the Que mothers about their choices : the direct financial support they had (for low income especially) OR try to get a McJob and maybe a place in low quality care for your child.
reallife
1 year ago
GWEST
You mentioned "Pee Wee Rambo" in one of your posts. Who is he - a playground friend of yours?
G West
1 year ago
No it's not.
My information comes from several studies - as for what Quebec mothers want, I suggest you ask a few of them - I have.
We should be so lucky here in BC.
R/man: the municipal services are PUBLIC services, as I wrote, about 85% of people choose them by the time children are 6 years old.
Finland has both the best child care AND the best schools.
I assume you KNEW that.
G West
1 year ago
Pee Wee Rambo
Pee Wee Rambo is the name given to our tiny perfect Prime Minister by Jean-Robert Sansfaçon in Le Devoir on Wednesday March 15, 2006 after Stephen Harper made his first little trip to Afghanistan to provide aid and comfort to the troops there.
I find it an apt name for the man although of late, I've been considering switching - at least some of the time - to the name Harper's staffers gave him when he worked for the National Citizens' Coalition. They liked to call him Fat Boy (or FB if they were in a hurry).
Which do YOU like better?
For those who read French, I'll quote Sansfaçon's first para:
Quel courage! Quelle leçon de leadership! Enfin un premier ministre qui dit haut et fort que le Canada doit s'impliquer davantage militairement pour défendre le monde libre menacé par l'ennemi terroriste! Stephen Harper est revenu du front afghan gonflé de cette fierté qui caractérise les vrais combattants de la démocratie. «Avant d'être affranchi du régime des talibans, l'Afghanistan a souvent servi d'incubateur pour al-Qaïda et d'autres organisations terroristes. Cette réalité nous a touchés de façon tragique le 11 septembre 2001 lorsque deux douzaines de Canadiens ont perdu la vie soudainement et gratuitement dans la destruction du World Trade Center», a rappelé M. Harper. Enfin, nous avons notre petit Rambo tout rosé, un brin rondouillard, pour nous seuls...
ENJOY!
realisticman
1 year ago
Westie
Still hiding those studies, eh? You keep writing about them, are they yours, just not yet published?
The Québec daycare facility that I visited was in a somewhat pokey basement and run by a completely unqualified person. It was just a nice little earner.
G West
1 year ago
Not hiding them at all
As I've said before - I'm not your gopher. There are plenty of studies out there – an excellent one from the University of Toronto of all places…but then, you wouldn’t have access to on line journals would you?
In any case, don't let me interfere with your continued 'education' Realie. As usual, your ‘opinions’ are based upon anecdote and personal prejudice. Very 'scientific'!
Like I said, ask some people from Quebec - especially some women - or don't you 'know' any Québécoise?
KWD
1 year ago
no reason to hide studies
Some readers do have access to on-line journals, and may be interested in broadening their education and perspective on Canadian child care developments.
Perhaps posting a few complete links might be of value.
G West
1 year ago
The studies are not in hiding
KWD - here's a decent OECD statistical overview of results from various countries to get you started:
http://tinyurl.com/ygwgwpq
The comparison between what Canada spends (and Quebec is at the top of the list) on early childhood education [note at figure 5.3 we are even below the United bloody States in this category] and it's pretty easy to see why this country is in such a mess.
Here's the information from the thumbnail sketch for Canada... "Access (to early childhood education) is low and varies greatly depending on the province and district. Across Canada, approximately 24% of children aged 0-6 have access to a regulated place. Rates are considerably higher in Quebec, which in 2004, accounted alone for 43% of all regulated spaces."
Unfortunately, you're going to have to pay for access to the complete report.
Here's the url for the OECD bookshop:
http://www.oecdbookshop.org/oecd/display.asp?lang=EN&sf1=identifiers&st1=912006031p1
KWD
1 year ago
thanks for the review
This OECD publication is a review of key elements it has determined are required for successful ECEC policy. It is not a study of ECEC outcome.
It makes assumptions … rightly or wrongly … about benefits and quality. While it presents a compartive analysis of progress, across OECD participants, it’s primary focus is on economic benefits.
“These elements are reviewed in the present text from Chapter 2 to Chapter 9 with the purpose of examining the progress made in these areas by the countries participating in the review.” (pp 6)
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
OECD and Univ f Tor studies
OECD studies relating to daycare in Canada are not peer-reviewed, they mistakenly say we spend much less on ECEC . The expenditure info was completely refuted to the Senate and this was not reported. - see Shawn Tupper's comments to Senate http://www.parl.gc.ca/39/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/Com-e/soci-e/24evb-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=39&Ses=1&comm_id=47
For Canada alone the OECD ECEC Review team only counted spending on Kindergarten and left out all other spending including daycare, preschool, non-fed/prov gov programs, municipal-gov run programs, $ spent on (eg CTB) and by parents, tax reductions for children, etc.
- yet this OECD 'ranking' is still trotted out as fact in many also non-peer reviewed reports.
Unlike eg Sweden, parents here are given money and tax credits/deductions for kids - that also was not counted. The proliferation of activities for kids here - music, swimming, language , sports, dance, Scouts /Guides, etc is astounding to Scandinavian parents I know.
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
Univ of Tor 'studies' , Marth Friendly and the OECD
The OECD Canadian 'Background Report' was co-written by Martha Friendly a top daycare lobbyist in Canada, head of the Childcare Resource and Research Unit,CRRU which was located at U of Tor til 2007. She has done other work for the OECD on ECEC as well.
Both she and the OECD head of the review, John Bennett , publicly denied and covered up her direct involvement in the Review, even tho' Bennett thanks her by name in the OECD's Canada "Country Note" report.
see
"The OECD and Canada's Daycare Lobby: Ties Denied"
http://www.kidsfirstcanada.org/martha-denies.htm
and
"The OECD: Globalizing Daycare Lobby Ideology"
http://www.kidsfirstcanada.org/OECD-ideology.htm
Daycare promo reports supposedly coming from the "U of Tor" are actually non-peer reviewed items published by MS Friendly's CRRU - eg especially U of T economists' claim that $1 spent on daycare produced $2. These economists - Cleveland and Krashinsky - have also have done work with the OECD .
KWD
1 year ago
the investable child
While not a study, Susan Prentice’s … High Stakes: The “Investable” Child and the Economic Reframing of Childcare … found in Journal of Women in Culture and Society 2009, vol. 34, no. 3, gives a clear picture of what state sponsored childcare is all about.
“In the economic reframing of childcare[see note below], we can find benefits. A positive and approving policy discourse increasingly surrounds childcare, and some forms of childcare service are expanding. Yet we also see that economic reframing sidesteps gender injustice and thus may act as a brake on social equity and feminist mobilization. In this mix, the investable child—as frame and remedy—both enables and forecloses political choices. Advocates are struggling to maximize the opportunities afforded by the social investment paradigm yet are also struggling to minimize its risks, including the enhanced space for corporatized services.
While programs and policies for children appear to open up under the business case, the space for challenging gender inequality appears to be closing down. Taken on balance, the economization of childcare is a high-stakes gamble for women.”
NOTE: “Frames are more than neutral vehicles that simply reflect reality. They also play an active role in shaping how we think. The business case for childcare both is subject to ideational expectations and generates ideational expectations. There is a logic to the economization of childcare that is bigger than just the advocacy-inflected “you’ll-get-a-return-on-the-spending” argument.”
G West
1 year ago
In the case, for example
The assumption(s) seem entirely well-founded; given that the countries with the best child care and early education programs also have the best educational results.
We already know that education is, in the final analysis, the best driver of upward mobility and social equality.
You either believe in that assumption or you don't - I believe in it - just as I believe that those who pretend to the idea that we can turn back the clock are, in the final analysis, spitting into the wind.
We should go with what works - and what we're doing HERE and NOW does not work.
Other countries, like Canada and the United States aren't doing so well.
In fact, the use of economic measures isn't always an problem although I have lots of quibbles about people who only measure results in terms of GDP.
In the case of British Columbia - where we lead the nation in terms of child poverty I have no difficulty supporting the idea that, like Quebec has shown, things would get better if we adopted more of their kinds of reforms.
As for the argument that childcare somehow works against women and their role in modern society, as I pointed out to realisticman, talk to some young women from Quebec.
There's an excellent overview of the early education and child care situation in Finland with detailed analysis of their results that I think used to be available on the web.
I'll see if I've kept a copy.
G West
1 year ago
As for the objectors
Why do you bother?
If you don't like the idea of some kind of affordable and accessible daycare and professional early child care education then why should it bother you?
Keep your kids at home. In fact, keep 'em at home forever and teach them yourselves. I'm sure they'll be the better for it.
Like religion, anyone can believe whatever one wants - but try not to disturb the rest of us.
In other words, go for it.
When things don't work out one only hopes there's a robust public system out there to pick up the pieces and, hopefully, prevent more problems.
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
no evidence of improved outcomes/Fin, Swed, Can educ outcome
The top 'expert' economist on the idea that you save more than you spend on daycare , routinely cited by the daycare lobby (OECD, World Bank, CRRU, HELP, etc) is Nobel Laureate James Heckman.
They claim him as a supporter when in fact he opposes universal systems saying:
"None of this evidence supports universal preschool programs."
see
"The Productivity Argument for Investing in Young Children," p. 35
http://jenni.uchicago.edu/human-inequality/papers/Heckman_final_all_wp_2007-03-22c_jsb.pdf
and he hopes
"that early childhood provision doesn't come to resemble a government bureaucracy,"
He supports targeted vouchers for very under-privileged families to use in a wide variety of competing programs run by community and faith groups.
see
Interview with Heckman p 28
http://www.bernardvanleer.org/Family_stress_Safeguarding_young_childrens_care_environment
Finland also offers families considerable cash (tho' not equal to that spent on a daycare space) for caring for their children themselves and that is the choice that the vast majority make, not daycare centre care. Kids spend only 20 hrs/wk including lunch at primary school.
Finland ranks #1 for academic tests at age 15 on OECD PISA tests.
Canada ranks very near Finland and far above the OECD average and big daycare nations like Sweden and France which are below OECD average.
see
"Measuring Up: Canadian Results of the OECD PISA Study The Performance of Canada's Youth in Science, Reading and Mathematics: 2006 First Results for Canadians Aged 15"
p60-64
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-590-x/81-590-x2007001-eng.pdf
Sweden has what the OECD calls the "model" daycare system. Yet the OECD and the Sw Min of Educ also say there are "problems of quality",and "unintended consequences" like too many children per staff, and inadequate facilities, and too much emphasis on school-type learning.
After a generation of funding daycare only, the Swedish gov reports:
-rising rates of youth suicide and youth violence
-rising domestic violence vs women
-kids in daycare centres 6.78 times more likely to be sick than kids in parental care
-a highly sex-segregated workplace with women concentrated in low pay job
KWD
1 year ago
“Why do you bother?”
In part, for many of the same reasons you bother: Concern about early chilhood development being one of them. And yes, I do think there is merit to the basic concept. Surprise, surprise. I think I mentioned that at the outset.
However, how you deal with affordability and accessibility, or with the training level of educators, does not determine quality of outcome; unless your only concern is expanding the workforce. And it doesn’t move the pendulum on gender equality issues. In fact most of the analysis on that topic points in the opposite direction.
But, as far as the children are concerned, the real problem is the fact there is little examination of the “quality issue”.
Just because there might be some oversight of care center quality by the state … whether that means looking at ECE’s education levels, student/teacher ratios or sanitation … doesn’t mean the investment is actually improving the child’s cognitive skills (a different kind of quality). Or their ability to deal with life's challenges. Or that the skills being imparted go beyond producing a business advantage. In which case the care centers are glorified warehouses.
At the moment there is scant information on what the existing programs are producing. As far as I’ve seen, there are very few actual studies … research … that we can point to that tell us whether or not we are “doing it right”. Literature reviews and research are apples and oranges.
So if you do have information on actual research studies that look at childcare centers and links components of curricula to changes in cognitive outcomes, for better or worse, let us in on them.
G West
1 year ago
Umm - Unintended consequences? Like what?
Yep! that's for sure- I guess you'd call what's happened to families in British Columbia an 'unintended' consequence of Campbell's policy of leaving more money in the hands of people so they can make good 'choices'.
I trust you'll also note how Quebec students consistently out-perform British Columbia students - not that it means much...
Furthermore, I think Finland has the best results and its early Childhood education is head and shoulders over Canada's.
But, like I said, and which you conveniently ignore, keep your kids at home and teach them yourself. By all means, go for it - but please don't pretend it is for the good of anyone else.
And that statistic about kids in daycare getting sick more than kids who stay at home with their mom! Big surprise for everyone from the 'SWEDISH' Government with that news.
Have you looked at the disparity in wages between males and females in the two countries?
I suggest you do that, because Canada isn't even in the same league as Sweden:
About one in four full time workers in Canada in the mid-1990s (23.7%) were low paid (defined as earning less than two-thirds of the median national full time wage) compared to just one in twenty (5.2%) in Sweden and only one in eight in Germany and the Netherlands.
One third of women in Canada were low paid, relative to the national median wage, compared to just 8.4% in Sweden.
So a little more 'development' in the area of early childhood education - the creation of more excellent spaces in well-financed and run day care centres at prices middle class and poorer people can afford - as in Quebec - wouldn't just help kids, parents AND the economy - it would do wonders for the earning power, gender and pay equity of early childhood educators.
Wouldn't you think?
Kids First Pare...
1 year ago
G West pls re-read the OECD PISA test info
G West: you wrote:
"I trust you'll also note how Quebec students consistently out-perform British Columbia students ..."
Please re read the charts - Que scores below the Canadian average and BC scores above it on 3 of the 4 tests; BC and Que score below the Can average on one with BC 1 point below Que on that test.
p 60-63 charts B.1.1 to B.1.4
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-590-x/81-590-x2007001-eng.pdf
re: why do we bother?
When the gov finances parents care choices directly and EQUALLY (ie 'choice with equality'), and regulations for and practices in daycare no longer compromise children's developmental needs, we will stop bothering about equality and children.
As it is, our GDP economy is exploiting parents who prioritize un-waged parental care work, as well as low-waged daycare staff and nannies (and other un-waged and low-waged care workers).
G West
1 year ago
I wasn't looking at the 2006 tests
They have a significant 'disclaimer' attached to those results - which you may or may not have noticed.
I still don't believe you've actually addressed my main concerns - clearly a country like Finland, which has both excellent day care, well-qualified early childhood educators and highly respected and very well-paid teachers is doing significantly better than the rest of the world with the modalities and laws it has in place.
Why do we here in BC not have enought courage to recognize: 1) that the situation in Quebec has improved significantly since its daycare programs were changed; 2) that we can LEARN from the rest of the world without trying to reinvent the wheel; and 3) that we have an appalling situation with respect to both equality of opportunity and equity of pay NOW; while 4) many other places, such as Sweden, are doing orders of magnitude better than we are in those areas.
Are we too stupid to learn from others - or are we simply unable to see the forest for the trees?
happy
1 year ago
A reason Finland does well West
They allow extremely little immigration. Immigrants are not dumb, but having to deal up front with different cultures and languages the way Canada does is going to put pressures into an educational system that in the end will skew results downwards.
Sweden and Norway have more then double the percentage of immigrants as Finland so there is obviously Government policy at work there keeping the immigrants out. Canada has about eight times the percentage of immigrants taken in compared to Finland.
A nice little white bread closed shop they've got there. I would call that xenophobic if not ouright racist.
Are those the modalities and laws you think Canada should emulate?
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=fi&v=27