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Lousy Cases against 'Overpaid' Welfare Recipients: Legal Advocates

'Cookie cutter' claims lack facts, invoke obsolete rule, say poverty lawyers.

By Andrew MacLeod, 16 Jun 2010, TheTyee.ca

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Lawyers with the British Columbia Public Interest Advocacy Centre are criticizing the Housing and Social Development Ministry's attempt to take welfare recipients to court to collect money for overpayments and are asking the ministry to give them what they need to help people.

In late May the minister responsible, Rich Coleman, said the ministry had filed 317 cases in small claims court seeking repayments. Some of the cases involved fraud, while others may have filed incorrect information that resulted in overpayments, he said at the time.

Lawyers working for BCPIAC say the government's overpayment cases often fall apart under legal scrutiny, and yet it insists on attacking people who are little able to defend themselves. It does so in a climate where legal aid has been cut for people living in poverty. And in this case it didn't bother to contact groups like BCPIAC that often advocate for welfare recipients.

BCPIAC has now been able to review six of the claims and found them to be "cookie cutter" in their wording, a June 11 letter to Coleman from lawyers Sarah Khan, Ros Salvador and Eugene Kung said.

"The claims give zero information about the underlying facts upon which the overpayment allegation is based, whether due to ministry error, MHSD assuming a dependency relationship, or other reasons."

Repayment agreements dropped

Most disturbingly, the letter said, the claims they've seen all rely on allegations that the defendants signed repayment agreements with the ministry and failed to meet them, even though the government stopped requiring such agreements and its now government policy not to take them for overpayments.

"MHSD's taking of repayment agreements for overpayments was an unfair, oppressive, and coercive practice," BCPIAC's lawyers wrote. "Clients were often threatened that they would be cut off assistance if they did not sign, and usually did not receive legal advice prior to signing."

The ministry should not be using such agreements as the basis for collecting alleged overpayments, they said.

Coleman was unavailable by publication time and ministry officials did not immediately have a response to the issues raised in BCPIAC's letter.

"They themselves stopped taking repayment agreements because of problems related to repayment agreements," said BCPIAC's Khan in a phone interview.

Since 2001 BCPIAC has represented dozens and dozens of clients accused of receiving welfare overpayments, said Khan. "In almost all those cases the debt's been either cancelled or reduced dramatically," she said.

"Unfortunately it's not that hard to find problems with MHSD's reasoning."

Over the years, she figured, BCPIAC has succeeded in having well over $1 million in alleged overpayments cancelled.

Legal aid lacking

In the latest flurry of cases, however, the ministry has made it difficult for defendants to get legal help. Despite BCPIAC's track record and relationship with the ministry, the government failed to notify the agency about the claims it was filing.

"Consequently, we have not had the opportunity to develop a coordinated response to the government's attack against people living in poverty," the lawyers wrote in their letter. "Specifically, we have not had the opportunity to coordinate with MHSD and legal, advocacy, and funding organizations to attempt to organize information, legal representation, or advocacy assistance for the individuals MHSD has initiated litigation against."

Adding to the problem is the fact there hasn't been legal aid funding for poverty law since 2002, thanks to provincial government cuts, and the LawLine legal advice service closed in March, 2010, the letter said.

"There's no state-funded legal representation anymore," said Khan.

And many of the people affected by the ministry's claims are among the least able to defend themselves, the letter said. "Many current and former recipients of assistance from MHSD have barriers to comprehending and effectively responding to legal proceedings, including poverty, disabilities, literacy, and language barriers. Many defendants may, for instance, not know or be able to articulate the legal implications of an agreement signed under duress."

Imbalance of power

The BCPIAC lawyers added, "In our view, MHSD’s pursuit of legal action against individuals who do not have representation capitalizes on the imbalance of power to force individuals to pay money to the government that they may well not owe."

BCPIAC requested the ministry's help to develop a strategy to provide people who are being sued by the ministry with information and help them find legal assistance.

BCPIAC and other organizations doing similar work, such as the Community Legal Assistance Society and poverty advocacy groups, won't be able to represent everyone but they can at least provide them with information "so people have something rather than nothing" when they appear in court, said Khan.

Khan said they are yet to hear back from the ministry. "We want to have a good working relationship with the minister and his staff," she said. "We were pretty upset by this."

In May the New Democratic Party's Nicholas Simons called the cases "poor bashing" and MHSD critic Shane Simpson said the government would spend more money on the cases than it could ever hope to recoup.  [Tyee]

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  • Grania

    1 year ago

    Poverty in BC

    A single employable person in BC gets 235.00 a month for food...and 375.00 for shelter. That is it. No transportation...clothing...unless the circumstances are very "special". I challenge Coleman to live on that for one month! If nothing else; he would lose a lot of weight. It is rather obscene that his very name happens to be "Rich"!

  • jim1966

    1 year ago

    They Just Don't Care All That Much Anyways

    Since 2001 when the BC Liberals took power they have gutted this ministry over and over again. Even if a person is on disability or employable. The problems are with the policies that this government has in place, I remember Gordon Campbell stating that "BC has one of the best income assistance programs in Canada. That statement is simply just not true. In fact it is quite the opposite. The BC Liberals if given the chance would gladly cut everyone off the system. "Get a Job" (even you are sick) would be the tag line. Why does this government hate welfare so much?, Not all the clients are criminals some are ill, or out of job or have seen some other crisis come up in their lives. Here are some facts: MHSD cut benefits to our most vulnerable citizens who like most could not afford any further reductions in benefits and the like. More and more low income folks will face hardship when the HST comes into effect, the paltry HST credit does not totally offset the cost, average single gets $57.50 HST credit every three months. The government also cut legal aid so people could not even fight back. I find Rich Coleman a repulsive person who should get a "real job". He does not care about people in his ministry all that much and this in my view represents the attitude of Mr Campbell's government.

  • seth

    1 year ago

    Coleman

    Is a thug.

  • morechatter

    1 year ago

    Poor Use of Valuable Resources

    As Minister administers to the poorest of the poor as children are left to go hungry as clients are go without the necessities of life without enough to survive in the big bad city. As the fraud teams spends millions trying to collect a few cents on the dollar much like rubbing salt in their wounds as you can't get money from the poor. Although you will never convince the Liberals of it as Ministry of Housing and Community Services will resort to anything to empty their pockets. Who is under investigation as I do believe it should be the Ministry as all its dirty tricks and deeds as human rights violations surmount under Coleman as he administration shows their hatred for the poor.

  • John Greg

    1 year ago

    Obscene

    The government pretty much sets poor people up or the fall by taking away jobs, keeping pay too low to survive on, making it impossible to get ahead, kicking the poor when they're down, and then these sh!ts, the government, come along and try to collect blood from pulverized stone.

    Just disgusting.

    Just obscene.

  • edh

    1 year ago

    What about the idiots that overpaid?

    Why not hold the Gvt employee's who made the overpayments cough up by penalizing them, financially.

  • mary jane

    1 year ago

    kick em while they're down

    Poverty has been treateed like a crime Not that legalized abuse of kids neglect by the gov. We have
    Hungry kids %25 in BC who have hungry parents
    Homelessness - it should be outlawed
    hungry neglected seniors
    Disabled people begging for medical equipment or meds that agree with them not what gordo thinks they need

    Fat Cats should diet until we have no more hungry kids GORDO - RICH - COLIN COULD GIVE GENEROUSLY TO FOOD BANKS

  • vikanadian

    1 year ago

    another cynical fact about this government

    i'll bet gordon campbell and rich coleman had a good laugh when they stuck their casino's and the rest of the gaming commission into this ministry; the ministry of housing and social development.

    ..snicker, snicker, snicker....

  • circle A

    1 year ago

    not just a "thug"

    A sadist.

  • manuel

    1 year ago

    "Rich" Coleman

    "Rich" in the news again...hey wasn't that the guy who gave his brother and his inside friends a giant payoff by taking all the land around Victoria and Sooke out Tree Farm status? I hear he going to make his brother and all his friends and family turn return all their welfare profits to the citizens of BC.

  • Bob Watts

    1 year ago

    Poverty is a gift!

    BC has the Lowest minimum wage to discourage Canadian students from working in BC.
    I live in a small town where 60% of the surrounding population is First Nations, with 50% of their population on welfare, YET we have foreign workers here from, Mexico, the Philippians, Korea, and India that I know of.
    In the cities you have no idea how many Non-Canadian’s are taking jobs that force our own citizens onto welfare, yet business people like the Liberals punish the poor and their children, hey it's policy. The Greatest Place on Earth is just Propaganda for those who know the truth!!!

  • mary jane

    1 year ago

    over paid

    forgot this
    all politians for get they are over paid welfare recipient ANYONE who get $$ from tax payers is on welfare is what some social workers are taught. that covers a lot of people RIGHT

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