The Liberals have lied to us?

What else is new?

I'm shocked, I tell you!

SHOCKED!

On a side note, if ever there was a puss that deserved a pie, it's Kreuger's. Our very own, home-grown Karl Rove.

(I know, BAD crab! *slaps own wrist*)

If there`s one...

Place on this earth that could suck the soul and creativity out of the artistic person it`s this pompous ,sleazy cess pool campbell & co. has turned bc into.And to have a fake like krueger as a minister of culture and arts is a perfect fit.

BC Boy

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Sheesh, you make me miss Wilfred Laurier.

I can`t believe I said that!

The fellow gets elected so

The fellow gets elected so Gordo shifts him around through different ministries. The guy is a zero who can't seem to walk and chew gum at the same time. But a big Gordo supporter and will do anythig to keep the salary

Whiskey River

It isn't just members of the cabinet and caucus who are part of the Campbell cult apparently.

BC Boy

"Same thing happened with the NDP. Very little dissent or deviation of any great mangitude."

So you were privy to NDP Caucus debates were you? You heard one of the leaders say," F%#k you too! You should really comment on the things you know something about. Limiting but prudent.

Starving Artists = Fewer Starving Kids

Sort of. Can't have your fancy cake and eat it to.

Sort of a lot like Marie Antoinette

15. (1)Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Luke doens't know the universe

Skywalker sed:

Same thing happened with the NDP. Very little dissent or deviation of any great mangitude."

"So you were privy to NDP Caucus debates were you? You heard one of the leaders say," F%#k you too! You should really comment on the things you know something about. Limiting but prudent."

Actually I do. Been around politics for far longer than The Tyee existed, go back to when Will McMartin actually had his own follow the government newspaper.

There was dissent within the NDP caucus, but things as they are in that environment, the people never hear what goes behind closed doors. Dan Miller when mentioned an expletive when he learned the real cost of the Fast Cats for example in a TV interview.

The NDP does have dissent, but the public never hears of it.

That dissent may get louder if Carol James doesn't
fix the problems in her party to make it more electable to the voters (she missed a big opportunity to do that last May).

The BC Liberals are giving the NDP an opportunity to find and rebuild themseleves. Don't waste it.

There's nothing new within how the Caucus operates
from the NDP and the BC Liberals at the basic level, Campbell is far more micromanaging than any Premier in the past, but the basic rule is the same in any political caucus. Very little public dissent amongst the MLAs (or MPs).

the ringing silence coming

from the Lieberal crowd on this thread is yet more evidence that no dissent is tolerated in their brown-shirted caucuses. Not one voice raised in their defense, very telling indeed.

So BC Boy

you just disproved an earlier statement you made?

and the Fast Ferries are...

...a drop in the proverbial bucket compared to the waste of the Campbell Crew. The liberals don't even have dissent in their cheering section on the Tyee, do they?

that picture....

http://6.media.tumblr.com/cqGq3Rcpbjszfe8qzpimMZU1o1_400.jpg

nahhh!

I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Still.... can someone shout "Culture!" behind him and we'll see what he reaches for?

will no one speak

for the Lieberals? This is getting tedious. Someone, anyone, stand up and defend Drunko. No sport in fish in a barrel,

BC Boy

is a bot.

;)

Still flying T-16's back home

"Now it is obvious that you don't know anything about what happened in the NDP Caucus in the 90's even though you pretend to be an expert in your comparisons. Your defense of everything liberal on these pages is a good indication that it's all hot ideological air. "

Sure. There wasn't any publicly accessible dissent within the NDP Caucus as they are bound to same traditional rules of "keeping it behind closed doors" as the BC Liberals. If that isn't so, then
there would have obviously been alot of dissent visible to the public, but there wasn't any. None,
especially when the news came out that the Fast Cats were going to cost alot more than what Glen Clark orginally said they would be. So at that point there was no public dissent amongst the NDP
ranks, only blind support for a failed projects.

Even Joy McPhail did not admit early on they would be a failure.

"Now if the Tyee isn't a "must read", why do you spend so much time here?"

Same reason any other previous poster. Entertainment.

"Anyone so obsessed with countering any attack on the Campbell Gang must be on PAB salary. What the heck are T-16's anyway?"

Re-read your historical roots, Master Luke Skywalker. Let go your conscious self.

alas

still nothing

Still nothing

Not all that unexpected with the quality of opinion talent.

Maybe the BC Liberals should increase arts funding.

The recent posts here are comical at best and there's potential. If some of the posters work hard at it, with a government assistance grant to buy reference material, they would be good for at least a one night gig doing politics at Yuk-Yuk's on Burrard.

There's potential here, but at this stage of the game, not much that would grab an audience.

Dream, kids. You want to be on "Canadian Idol" as Canada's newest Rick Mercer with a West Coast flavour.

But ya gotta work at it.

At least the commentator is identified so

I can skip past the Liberal apologists!

luke skywalker - that's actually funny

And 'Skywalker' are different folks - luke hasn't been around for a while because he's been blocked for vile and personal attacks on another poster someone with the personal courage to use his real name (Rod Smelser) as his label – luke skywalker was a right wingish sort of fella who loved to post data from polls and call people names.

'Skywalker' is quite a different individual - as far as I know, he's never been bounced, banned or warned for his comments here.

The fact you'd call Skywalker 'luke' is a lesson in irony.

I will say, if your line about 'entertainment' is honest, that it doesn't take much to amuse you.

Same label

"And 'Skywalker' are different folks - luke hasn't been around for a while because he's been blocked for vile and personal attacks on another poster someone with the personal courage to use his real name (Rod Smelser) as his label – luke skywalker was a right wingish sort of fella who loved to post data from polls and call people names."

So what? Is this a pity party story for someone who uses a label from a science fiction movie?

'Skywalker' is quite a different individual - as far as I know, he's never been bounced, banned or warned for his comments here."

So?

"The fact you'd call Skywalker 'luke' is a lesson in irony."

and?

"I will say, if your line about 'entertainment' is honest, that it doesn't take much to amuse you."

Actually it doesn't, the quality of the commentary here is getting into entertainment though.

the other day

t'was reminded of the Noble Kurt's "Report on the Barnhouse Effect". Ah, memories.....

But I digress. He spoke therein of the "Tattletale War". Still remember that, decades later.

As I am also minded of the waitress serving the tall glass of "water" on the Sechelt verandah. Every day yet. As also I am reminded of the highly placed utility official nearly TWICE run over by the same imbiber yet. Or the private party where the flaming sofa flung out the door elicted little response from the patrolman at the door meeting his boss.

All we need to do is get the stories known told. Truth and sunshine, like holy water on the UnDead.

Indeed Takuan

Welcome To The Monkey House.

BC (Campbell) Boy

I guess since I don't know what T-16's are it must be that I don't spend a lot of time reading/watching fantasy or fiction.

Although I must confess that some of your blind loyalty to the message from the PAB is enough to get me started. Who in their right mind would believe that gouging the public and letting banks off the hook is a good thing? Who would believe that fleecing ICBC of $600 million and not offering insurance at cheaper rates is a good thing? Who would believe that making ICBC insurance cost more so 'for profit' private insurance could be competitive is a good thing? Who believes that a 14 day party costing a net of about $5 billion is somehow better than a $450 million fast Ferry program? (That is ten times more than fast ferries) Who would believe that BC Hydro being told to buy IPP power at $100 per megawatt hour and selling it for $60 is a good thing? Who believes that the Liberals can run a peanut stand when they allow themselves (that's us BC Boy) to be snookered by the federal government on HST, by the IPP folks, the banks and any of their buddies in business? Not being snookered you say...probably not but if it is anything else like deliberate... then they are a bunch of thieves. Who in the light of fudged budgets and lies about BC Rail and "we will not harmonize" is naive enough to believe anything they say? Who believes let alone defends liars and thieves.

PAB is not the pad

"Although I must confess that some of your blind loyalty to the message from the PAB is enough to get me started. "

Considering that I don't work within the PAB, nor receive anything from them this was intriguing.

"Who in their right mind would believe that gouging the public and letting banks off the hook is a good thing?"

Um, the NDP? The NDP gouged the public in regards to excessive spending.

"Who would believe that fleecing ICBC of $600 million and not offering insurance at cheaper rates is a good thing? Who would believe that making ICBC insurance cost more so 'for profit' private insurance could be competitive is a good thing?"

ICBC isn't raising insurance rates, and just how low are insurance rates supposed to go? There won't
be a return to $25.00 a year insurance promised
and delivered by the Barrett government. I'd like to see drivers with poor driving records and numerous at fault claims be dinged alot more than they are now.

"Who believes that a 14 day party costing a net of about $5 billion is somehow better than a $450 million fast Ferry program?

Who whould belive the Fast Ferries actually did any good for the South Coast other than provide a make work project for a shipyard that couldn't even muster the talent to sell their new product properly?

Who actually believes the whiners and complainers here will actually do something and actually work for the NDP as volunteers to replace the NDP's leader and actually come up with policies that would be won over by the general voter population and not just labour and special interest groups?

Who actually believes that after 30 years of debating policy resolutions on the topic, that the NDP will actually work to eliminate poverty and actually clean up the downtown east side and make that part of Vancouver actually safe to live in?

If anyone believes the NDP will actually do that,
well I have a retired BC Ferry in Port Alberni to sell you.

And who believes...

....that changing the questions asked to create a red herring is anything more than a desperate attempt to avoid answering? We all do. I mean really."ICBC isn't raising insurance rates, and just how low are insurance rates supposed to go?" The rates were suppose to reflect claims. If people drove more safely the people would get the benefit. It was never designed to be used as a cash cow every time the government gets into to trouble. Even so giving it back in lower rates is one hell of lot better, does does more for the economy than giving it to the banks and all those other Campbell buddies he's going to give it top.

You know BC Boy you should really bowing to the Campbell icon and you might see the light. Defending liars and thieves and sleezy ways of shifting costs can't be much fun. I still say to do what you do, most people would demand payment from the john....oops Campbell.

bigods!

beggars the imagination that the bloody Boche cannot muster even one champion! Pip pip and all that! We'll show the barbarian Hun whatfor, eh wot?!

what to believe from opinion artists

"....that changing the questions asked to create a red herring is anything more than a desperate attempt to avoid answering? We all do. I mean really."ICBC isn't raising insurance rates, and just how low are insurance rates supposed to go?" The rates were suppose to reflect claims."

partially. Less claims mean less outlay from the insurance carrier, but there are costs of administration etc. Very low claims doesn't mean
a huge reduction in what is paid out. Insurance is
also risk. So you wouldn't see a return to $25.00
to $250.00 a year insurance.

" If people drove more safely the people would get the benefit."

Finally. True, but many people do not drive safely
and those accidents cost insurance carriers money.

"It was never designed to be used as a cash cow every time the government gets into to trouble."

ICBC also doesn't show a profit either. it's never
been a 'cash cow' for the government. Was it magically during the NDP's time?

"Even so giving it back in lower rates is one hell of lot better, does does more for the economy than giving it to the banks and all those other Campbell buddies he's going to give it top."

Again, the rates are pretty much as low as they are
going to get. Insurance is risk, and even the good drivers have to pay their share. There also has to be reserves in place for those times when accident claims do go up. But that difference between what is kept and what there is now, why not transfer it over to the government for paying for other things
when the excessive reserve isn't needed?

If insurance rates go very low now, those same whiners who want lower rates will scream loudly when the rates have to rise because of increased accident claims. A no win situation. Rates an only go so low.

"You know BC Boy you should really bowing to the Campbell icon and you might see the light."

Sorry, not about to do that. There's no value in it.

"Defending liars and thieves and sleezy ways of shifting costs can't be much fun."

Certainly as much fun as defending the NDP during the times of the Commonwealth Holding Society, the
antics of Glen Clark and the NDP who went through
4 leaders in 10 years.

"I still say to do what you do, most people would demand payment from the john....oops Campbell."

Need to apply for that arts grant. There's real
potential here. A real comedy act in the making.

Show the talent by joing the protest movement comprised of Mimes at the Legislature. practice with the Mimes on the ferry.

harrumph!

come a cropper at the first fence! Any o you younguns remember when ICBC rates first tripled under the Socred/lieberal lash? I do.

With the winter we had and

With the winter we had and our rates being a reflection of the claims, there is no way our basic insurance should not come down.We had no snow to speak of so claims had to have fallen.So piss off and give us the one break we earned you thieves.EDITED -- TYEE MODERATOR

Campbell's boy lap dog

You really must become more current. The issue of NCHS went to court and only because Harcourt made a decisions to search for the truth. One person was found guilty. So lets see the results of Basi Virk. Nobody in the liberal government has done anything but stonewall. Please spare us the sanctimonious responses. Glen Clark went to court and was exonerated. Fudged Budget? It went to court and ruling said no it wasn't. Had you folks not gone to court it might still be an issue. We still need to get to court decision on Basi Virk. You will still bend over for Gordon.

As for your comment "Again, the rates are pretty much as low as they are going to get". Probably as long as Campbell is trying to make the competition in the private sector profitable, you are probably right. You believe that is right? But there's a change a coming.

Anybody notice

How the picture above looks like that TV evangelist from a bygone era? What was his name. He wasn't big on the arts either.

As current as you want, but history is there

"You really must become more current. "

Can be. Right up to the previous hour, but that means forwarding research which is a waste of time
for some folks to see as their minds are already made up.

"The issue of NCHS went to court and only because Harcourt made a decisions to search for the truth."

Sure. And why didn't Barrett or Skelly when that
was manifesting itself even back then?

"One person was found guilty."

Indeed. A former NDP Minister no doubt.

"So lets see the results of Basi Virk. Nobody in the liberal government has done anything but stonewall."

I'd like to see both of them have their chequing accounts cleaned out as a result of the outcome
of the trial, plus if it is applicable, a bit of
jail time, but that's up to the courts decide what
sentence is brought down.

"We still need to get to court decision on Basi Virk. You will still bend over for Gordon. "

Not on your best day, pal. Defiantly not on this
issue. I've told a BC Liberal MLA friend or two
that don't expect any sympathy from me on this one.

"As for your comment "Again, the rates are pretty much as low as they are going to get". Probably as long as Campbell is trying to make the competition in the private sector profitable, you are probably right. You believe that is right?

So what would be wrong with a little competition?
If it brings down insurance as a result of offering
premiums for good drivers, so what? If I can get
a better deal on my insurance (basic and comprehensive/collison) from a private insurer over
Icky Bicky, I certainly wouldn't use Icky Bicky, but the private insurers will have to come up with
a better efficient scheme for handling claims than
ICBC currently does to justfy the lower premiums
offered. The private insurers who offer the optional insurance do not have a good claims system
in place according to a friend who has been in
the insurance biz for over 25 years.

But there's a change a coming.

Won't happen until 2013.

Be there when it happens. Better yet, start now
with your volunteering each month (an evening a month) for the NDP. They need your help.

and in the meantime, practice practice practice your mime contribution to the protest of the arts funding led by the Mimes.

Boy you have swallowed the liberal/socred line

Desperately trying to rewrite history. Do you even know what you are talking about?
"Sure. And why didn't Barrett or Skelly when that
was manifesting itself even back then?" Whatever are you smoking. The issue broke in the 90's and as you say it involved a "former"and you forget it went to court and there was a ruling. The facts, my friend the facts. Pity you guys were so eager to take it all to court. What fun you might have had except that court ruled and stole you "ammunition" more than once I'd say.

Given your defense of all the blunders of the Campbell Gang and dragging things from the NDP almost 30 years ago definitely points to the fact that you are "bending over for Campbell" at every turn. Your comment to your Liberal MLA friend is just empty threats as proven here.

"So what would be wrong with a little competition?" nothing unless the Liberals are deliberately increasing the cost of the public option to help the private. And Boy that is exactly what they are doing. Hansen as much as said it on the CBC. You just don't like hearing these things. Bending over already.

Even good drivers will pay more. Private insurance requires a profit margin. Public Insurance gives the profit to the insured. At least it should unless you happen to be a Campbell fan or a fool. We had private insurance and ICBC provided better and lower. You don't remember do you? No, you listen to someone in the insurance biz. Gullible? Ideology trumps common sense does it..

But there's a change a coming and regurgitating Luke's old methods (copy and paste) won't help you.

Skywalker

Bit of advice - friendly like...I think you'd be better to ignore him.

"Desperately trying to

"Desperately trying to rewrite history. Do you even know what you are talking about?
"Sure. And why didn't Barrett or Skelly when that
was manifesting itself even back then?" Whatever are you smoking. The issue broke in the 90's "

Broke in the 90's but the circumstances were reported to be going back to the early 1980's as
the NDP used the Commonwealth Holding Society to
manifest money that was eventually transferred to
NDP riding associations for their campaigns. That
is fact.

"and as you say it involved a "former"and you forget it went to court and there was a ruling. The facts, my friend the facts. Pity you guys were so eager to take it all to court. What fun you might have had except that court ruled and stole you "ammunition" more than once I'd say."

Not really. But nice try though.

"Given your defense of all the blunders of the Campbell Gang and dragging things from the NDP almost 30 years ago definitely points to the fact that you are "bending over for Campbell" at every turn."

Do I ahve to outline the blunders of the Campbell
government. There are many the public doesn't see
and not really going to get into.

" Your comment to your Liberal MLA friend is just empty threats as proven here."

To you maybe, not to him/her.

"So what would be wrong with a little competition?" nothing unless the Liberals are deliberately increasing the cost of the public option to help the private."

Are they? Any specific evidence? The transfering
of built up revenues is hardly a manifestation of
that fact.

"And Boy that is exactly what they are doing. Hansen as much as said it on the CBC."

He said the additional reserves are being transferred from ICBC (Crown Corporation) to general revenue, he did not say anything about
enhancing private insurance carriers being able
to compete 100% against ICBC.

Excellent points Skywalker

And it isn't only you who noticed this clear reach around to private insurers. It's too bad some people (you know who I mean) come here for entertainment instead of looking around at the rest of the world.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/86286007.html

BC Boy and his selective memory

I probably should ignore him but he's funny.

He must get all his news from Canwest and no wonder he still thinks there is something normal about bleeding the ICBC reserves and propping up general revenue as well as that Hanson did not say anything about
enhancing the competition to ICBC.

The CBC carried the story and the intent was clear. It was using ICBC as a cash cow and making it easier for private insurers to compete. Some of us listen to what is said and hear it all, not just what we read from the PAB.

The problem with BC (Campbell) Boy type liberals during the 90's was that instead of holding their ammunition for political purposes, they had their puppets take stuff to court. That included NCHS, Fudged Budget, A deck and all of them were neutered at the end of the court action. Now they want to rewrite the outcome and believe if they just repeat it often and loud enough the public is dumb enough not to see through the farce.

Only some my Boy, only some!

G West, you ever wonder why all the increases in MSP?

MSP increases

At least partly to pay for the profiteering P3s...and, because it doesn't 'look' like a tax increase.

Skywalker and his cadet GWest are funny

"I probably should ignore him but he's funny."

That's a funny statement in itself. Obviously the
previous poster can't think internally.

"He must get all his news from Canwest and no wonder he still thinks there is something normal about bleeding the ICBC reserves and propping up general revenue as well as that Hanson did not say anything about enhancing the competition to ICBC."

Well it is a Crown Corporation, a branch of the provincial government. The NDP set that up, remember?

And just how low are optional rates supposed to go?
have a figure? And no I don't rely on Canwest for
news 100% of the time. The talent is amazing though. Apply for an arts grant and develop that psychic power. The NDP could use it.

"The CBC carried the story and the intent was clear. It was using ICBC as a cash cow and making it easier for private insurers to compete."

Again, technically wrong. But if the private carriers compete for optional insurance, so what?

We still have to buy the basic insurance and complete vehicle registration and renwals through Icky Bicky.

"Some of us listen to what is said and hear it all, not just what we read from the PAB."

or the propaganda department of the NDP Caucus.

"The problem with BC (Campbell) Boy type liberals during the 90's was that instead of holding their ammunition for political purposes, they had their puppets take stuff to court. That included NCHS, Fudged Budget, A deck and all of them were neutered at the end of the court action."

It wasn't the BC Liberals that took the CHS to court. it was manifested internally by an NDP suppporter in Nanaimo who saw the fallicy of Stupich's creativity. Re read the history.

" Now they want to rewrite the outcome and believe if they just repeat it often and loud enough the public is dumb enough not to see through the farce. "

Like the NDP will when they return to office in 2013? If the previous posters think the NDP will
be a very nice government, catering to anyone and everyone and not having one major error within their term(s) after 2013, they are sadly mistaken.

But to ensure an NDP government, start volunteering today and also take out a membership
and get involved.

Who knows maybe the talents can be developed in the meantime with the aid of an arts grant.

and be sure to renew your car insurance now before the HST arrives.

Like I said

Just ignore him.

GWest ignore him,

Ignore GWest.

He's obviously working within the NDP.

be sure to apply for that arts grant. You have a good future ahead in live comedy theatre, but the act needs alot of work.

and hey if the comedy act doesn't work out, there's the NDP

"Like I said
Just ignore him."

Lots of potential there for leadership.

the NDP is going to need alot people to lead cavassing in a riding.

Shown at the top is a quote from someone who has alot of potential to be the lead in that role.

or perhaps maybe a lead in a local effort to recruit supporters for a contender for the NDP leadership.

Adrian Dix needs your help!

Skywalker and GWest

Reading a BC Boy post is like necrophilia. You did all the work and if you got anything out of it you probably need a great deal of help.

@Frank

Now that is funny!

I love it Frank.

He actually remind me of Luke...you know, the copy and paste debater. He could never quite stick to the subject either.

GWest and Skywalker are comdy

Looks like we have a comedy duo. Trying to do dialogue with each other on an opinion column.

For the past while they have been critical, but not staying on the original topic - arts funding.

They'll be a real class act at the next NDP Convention, provided they work on the act funded by an arts grant.

Just simply the best fit for the NDP too. Always critical and nothing original nor innovative.

and GW? Gets worked up over the smallest things.

Oh well. Enjoy the NDP kids. They definately need all the help they can get.

Hmm

comdy(sic)....?

definately(sic)...?

Interesting - but unintelligible.

GWest itoo serious

"comdy(sic)....?

comedy, boy, comedy. As in GW's content which he
takes seriously but few others do.

"Interesting - but unintelligible."

Like GW's constant posts?

Never sweat the small stuff in politics, son. There's bigger challenges for supporters of the NDP
ahead.

Get in on it, and work that riding!

escaped from where?

All right GWest, you can be difficult at times, but where the hell did that BC boy come from?
This is the bottom, of the barrel, total waste of time reading his crap.

If you don't like it, don't read it

"All right GWest, you can be difficult at times, but where the hell did that BC boy come from?"

From the same region he does, the Lower Mainland.

This Tyee isn't exclusive to NDPers. Not by a long shot. You have the NDP's Democrat newspaper to write to (if that still exists).

"This is the bottom, of the barrel, total waste of time reading his crap"

Glad you agree about GWest's contributions.

But why waste the time with this? Get out there and support the NDP. Writing crap into an opinion column for a third level internet news medium isn't going to mean any success for the NDP.

Go and support the NDP, and while you're at it,
think seriously of supporting Adrian Dix for leader.

Get on it and work your own NDP riding!

and don't take these opinion columns so seriously.

They're just entertainment. Not serious reading.

BC Boy

The "Boy" in your name must refer not so much to your age as your debating skills. Why not just say "I know you are but what am I?" and have done with it.

Debating skills? In an opinion column? Surely you jest!

Debating skills?? In an opinion column?? Surely the previous poster is joking.

One only has to look at a few posters and their debating skills wouldn't make it through the first two minutes in a real debating contest.

In the Tyee's opinion columns like those in the mainstream paper are just a landfill dump for those who are "frustrated" with how the current things are and yet have yet to come up with real workable solutions rather than playing psychic and
figuring they "know" a person.

In the menatime, one has to wonder just how many of the posters who whine and complain have actually
worked to help the NDP get elected last May?

The NDP had a good chance to become government in the last election.

Face the fcts, kids. The NDP blew the chance because they didn't have anything real to offer the voters.

Would an NDP government be the best government around?

Not a chance. Even they wouldn't be able to cater to everyone's wishes.

So if you disagree, get going and volunteer for the NDP. Replace their bland leader with one the voters can actually support, and work those policies.

Writing into an opinion column for a third level internet news medium isn't going to get anyone elected.

BC Boy.....Have you been on

BC Boy.....Have you been on this list under several other names before? How long have you been here under this present name?

The propaganda you're pushing looks very familiar to what appeared on this list under other, various, and now long gone names, who seem to come up for a few weeks, then disappear, with new names, with the same message taking their place.

An old trick of all dictatorships pretending to be democracies, representing the public.

A long known propaganda gimmick, used where and when the use of phony names, long discarded by the printed media, is permitted.

Then, of course, we have the professional letter writers, who feed prepared texts to the faithful and also the contact lists of names to vote on so called "opinion polls" in the various media.

The Reform Party was great on this, still carrying on under its present various, phony names, like the BC Liberals, or federal Conservatives.

Reminds me of the People's Democracies of the Soviet satellites, now taken over by the international corporate mafia, collectivizing and destroying real private enterprise, colonizing and enslaving billions under the guise of "free enterprise", "free trade" and "wealth creating global competitiveness" , while raising the prices in the stores every day.

And always under the propaganda blanket of "freedom"

Ed Deak, Big Lake.

Same old same old, eh G West..

It is like necrophilia all right. You wonder why the constant, "Writing into an opinion column for a third level internet news medium". Wow, a "third level internet news medium". Wonder why he spends all his time here if that's what he thinks. There must be something about the Tyee that worries some people.

Lower Mainland????

NO!

Can't even get that right.

Are you sure you know where you're from?

GW..

"NO!

Can't even get that right.

Are you sure you know where you're from?"

Did you ever finish Grade 10, pal?

(one dumb quetion lead to another, folks)

Ed led

"BC Boy.....Have you been on this list under several other names before? How long have you been here under this present name? "

About two weeks, and nothing before that.

"The propaganda you're pushing looks very familiar to what appeared on this list under other, various, and now long gone names, who seem to come up for a few weeks, then disappear, with new names, with the same message taking their place."

Ed must have had one too many Pepsis.

"An old trick of all dictatorships pretending to be democracies, representing the public."

and that applies to Canada and British Columbia how?

"A long known propaganda gimmick, used where and when the use of phony names, long discarded by the printed media, is permitted."

Is your name real?

"Then, of course, we have the professional letter writers, who feed prepared texts to the faithful and also the contact lists of names to vote on so called "opinion polls" in the various media."

Sure. tell that to the Centre for Policy Alternatives and also the Fraser Institute. Political opposites, but the same thing basically.

"The Reform Party was great on this, still carrying on under its present various, phony names, like the BC Liberals, or federal Conservatives. "

The Reform Party was never part of the BC Liberal
Party and vice versa.

"Reminds me of the People's Democracies of the Soviet satellites, now taken over by the international corporate mafia, collectivizing and destroying real private enterprise, colonizing and enslaving billions under the guise of "free enterprise", "free trade" and "wealth creating global competitiveness" , while raising the prices in the stores every day. "

Doesn't make much sense there. The Soviet Union
collapsed under its own collective weight after Gorbachev recsinded the Brezhnev Doctrine which did not allow republics or Easter Bloc countries to break way from communism.

And always under the propaganda blanket of "freedom"

Ed Deak, Big Lake.

Ed Deak. Big deal.

and if GWest is supposed to be debate leader here, wow.

and if GWest is supposed to be the debate leader here, as purported by this:

"
Same old same old, eh G West.."

Wow. This is really bad. Has this GWest person actually done any real political work other than screech to the Tyee daily?

A guy like that is what the NDP really needs.

All talk and very little benificial action. No wonder the NDP hasn't gone anywhere.

He should try for a job at Adrian Dix's office.

Might get him into the real world of politics.

My boy, I have 45 years of

My boy, I have 45 years of communist fighting record, with guns, but mostly as a propaganda buster and, as a dedicated private enterpriser, now spending the rest of my days fighting their idiot twins , the international capitalist collectivizer corporate mafia.

The BCLiberals and Reform, then CRAPP and now the Conservatives are from the same origin, the Socreds. When the Socred party collapsed, their financiers bought the BC Liberal Party for Campbell, an obvious former Socred, as were Manning and Harper.

The more things change, the more they remain under the control of the same gang of predators.

Ed Deak. You can look me up on google and in any Cariboo phone book. I don't hide like some chickenshit in the grass.

A Fiat runs rough and smokes , if it starts.

"My boy, I have 45 years of communist fighting record, with guns, but mostly as a propaganda buster and, as a dedicated private enterpriser, now spending the rest of my days fighting their idiot twins , the international capitalist collectivizer corporate mafia."

They are actually oppposites. the communists being
the prolitariat and the capitalists being the bourgoise.

If you're constantly fighting, you must be one sad person.

"The BCLiberals and Reform, then CRAPP and now the Conservatives are from the same origin, the Socreds."

Carole Taylor was not Socred, and neither was
Gary Farrell Collins or Colin Hansen. They're federal Liberals. The BC Liberal Party was presided over by May Brown a prominent federal Liberal. Christy Clark was never a Socred, she was
and is a federal Liberal. There are many federal
Liberals within the BC Liberal Party. Not many Socreds.

CRAPP was federal, not provincial. An offshoot of
the federal Reeform Party. Didn't last long either,
it was headed by Stockwell Day.

"When the Socred party collapsed, their financiers bought the BC Liberal Party for Campbell, an obvious former Socred, as were Manning and Harper. "

Manning was an Alberta Socred but Harper being Socred Albertan is very doubtful since the PC's
under Lougheed were the party of the day back then.

"The more things change, the more they remain under the control of the same gang of predators."

predators, eh? So what does that make Tim Louis,
and other very left wing parts of the BC NDP?

Ed Deak. You can look me up on google and in any Cariboo phone book. I don't hide like some chickenshit in the grass

Now, now, don't disparage Gwest there, son. he has his troubles with geography, but that will take time.

This, you idiot, YOUR POST

Is what I'm referring to:

I'm not from the Lower Mainland, dummy. If you'd paid any attention to what other people write here instead of spinning words like a child's top you'd know that.

Where would you like me to sent your 'footscap' to?

An idea.

Let's start a poll on the value, analysis of an issue, thoughtfulness etc. of the posts by BC Boy as shown on this thread. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the equivalent of the grunting of a bull moose in rut and 10 being equivalent to the actual article by Andrew MacLeod we are suppose to be addressing. No actual comment is necessary to explain the choice. Having suggested it, I will refrain from participating lest I start a trend.

GWest is a bit upity

"This, you idiot, YOUR POST"

Tsk tsk, getting a little uppity are we?

Is what I'm referring to:

Quote:
If you don't like it, don't read it
"All right GWest, you can be difficult at times, but where the hell did that BC boy come from?"
From the same region he does, the Lower Mainland.(all quoted from BC Boy quoting alive)"

quoting alive? What does that mean?

I'm not from the Lower Mainland, dummy. If you'd paid any attention to what other people write here instead of spinning words like a child's top you'd know that."

And where exactly where was it mentioned you were from, genius? It doesn't matter really, does it?

"Where would you like me to sent your 'footscap' to?"

What NDP riding are you volunteering within? Can't be Adrian Dix as he is in Vancouver.

Again, if you don't like what I write, don't read it. Obviously you're not using your own advice there GW.

It's a nice day out there, get out and get some sun, son. It will do you good.

Remember, there's 3 years of BC Liberal government left. It will be a tough slog for you, but you'll
do it, you'll make it.

After that, you can look forward to your socialist
utopia, provided that is, the voters accept the NDP as government.

Have a good day there, GW. I must say it has been fun. Never had this much fun since watching NDP
conventioneers get mad at Social Credit governments and try to pass policy during 'emergency debates' that would actually work and do something for the people.

Skywalker never left grade school

Let's start a poll on the value, analysis of an issue, thoughtfulness etc. of the posts by BC Boy as shown on this thread. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the equivalent of the grunting of a bull moose in rut and 10 being equivalent to the actual article by Andrew MacLeod we are suppose to be addressing.

I'll start. Let's dump Skywalker's elementary grade school rhetoric and get back on topic shall we?

It is about arts grants, not fighting communists, nor Socred demons or a party affilation.

But if Skywalker lives in an opinion column as he does with his previous post, that's his choice.

Have fun with it kids.

and play nice.

Boy....There's never been a

Boy....There's never been a worst layer of bourgeoisie than under communism, who now are the biggest Russian capitalists and also in their former satellites.

Propaganda is not history and you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

When it comes to funding of the arts, the commies and nazis were the greatest....provided the arts fitted their warped ideologies. And I have been there and have seen them both at work.

Basically the same as we now have under capitalism, the worst case barbarian collectivizers, nothing to do with real private enterprise.

Artists and the family farm are among the oldest forms of private enterprise, that's why the capitalists are working on to wipe out both.

Ed Deak.

Editors

There's a thread going to waste here. A reminder would be in order.

I don't live in the lower mainland!

How much clearer can I be.

And, zalm, you're right - I apologize.

BC Boy yours is troll behaviour, GWest, you are rewarding it

Both of you stop or face being blocked.

Krueger unsuitability and VAG

Kevin Krueger is utterly unsuited to his portfolio, has no understanding of the arts and to lump arts and sports together is ridiculous!
50 million for the VAG to build on expensive real estate is in the current economic climate unwise, it reeks of elitism. I think the VAG could use their current space much more efficiently. Their galleries are huge, way bigger than for example the National Gallery in Britain. One could play a hockey game between their wall display space! I think they could double their display capacity by standing walls for exhibits in the huge galleries. The room heights would still give the sense of space that is good.
I haven't seen an 'installation' exhibit there but walls can be built to be movable. My guess is that Campbell, if he even cares, prefers the fancy flagship VAG to funding arts around the province through the BC Arts Council; a much too democratic organization for Gord anyway.