Christy Clark a "liberal"?

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Seth

There aren't a whole lot of Greenies to be found about right now, Seth. You see, we took your lead and hacked the heads off many of the traitorous vermin, a short while ago. I could go see if they'll go for your join the liberal party suggestion myself, but since Ralph Nader's still kicking about, even after killing 3 million people!, I'm glad you've got someone else in mind for the sell.

PMcenvoyh

Kindly put your comment in some form of understandable language.
In fact you might find there are some "greenies" around: My self for instance. I would "very much" like to understand what is going on.
I do not find your contribution helpful at all.
Seth had a damn good idea!

Question the source

I can give you context, doggone. Seth's not exactly been a trustworthy friend of Greenies (his word, not mine) as of late. He set them up as RESPONSIBLE for fascist success, in grim terms--Ralph Nader, he says, has the blood of millions of dead iraqis on his hands, for instance, and he said something similar in regards to the effect of Greens voting Green, here in B.C. Now he's their "best friend," encouraging them to cozy-up with corpses, sell their souls, and perhaps other fates you wouldn't wish upon your worst enemy. Reason for caution, me thinks.

The liberal party will be revitalized, but not my progressives. It's going fascist too, and in my judgment will well succeed with head ghoul Ignatieff at the helm. Progressive Greens were not co-opted by the NDP. Right now they seem to have integrity, which draws some of us to want to know more. Switching to Liberal would amount to lounging abouty with even darker hellions, would amount to dissipating strength rather than accruing it, might amount to falling for quite the con.

Political realities

Well Seth, anyone who thinks that the Liberal Party can be hijacked from within is dreaming in technicolour. This is a party that changes its platform from moment to moment according to the vicissitudes of the polls, for its only goal has always been to manage power for the benefit of its rich donors.

Trudeau was a fluke, a person able to inspire followers with his rhetoric, so unlike the other leades before and after him, machine men all, who've gained their place only through patronage to their supporters and their ability to parrot lies convincingly in a campaign speech.

These supporters, always lurking unseen behind the scenes, are interested only in power itself and cetainly not in any altruistic expression of it, and honest men like David Orchard are their logical prey, ripe to be suckered in with false promises on the grand scale.

So leave the Liberals to willing dupes like Berman and Suzuki. The backroom boys can handle them easily enough, and they deserve each other.

Greens

I don't think the Greens who are committed to running candidates in elections would be of much help. They are an extremely tiny proportion of green folk bestowed with the power of that "Green" label that they routinely invoke to destroy rather than heal. Their performance in the 2000 election with Ralph Nader in the US so horrified Americans that the Green's moved en mass to the Democrats. Without them Obama would have lost. Certainly Harpo and the Gordo depend on the Green party for significant help in winning elections for their Neocon hordes.

The Greens we are looking for here make up the vast majority of the movement - the ones like Alexandra here who believe in protecting the environment sometimes at the cost of compromising some of their ideals in an effort to try to form a power base with other progressives.

I for example, am a pronuke greenie which puts me beside James Lovelock and Steward Brand but at odds with most other Greens. Be happy to debate the issue at any time. I vote strategically for the most progressive ticket that I hope can win putting aside differences until after an election when a consensus might be achieved.

they are weak and we are strong

Yes the Liberal party in Canada has a horrible track record but that is mostly because progressives tended to bow out of political life. It was easier and we couldn't stand the stink I suppose.

But the ball is in our court. We can rise up and overpower the weak ineffective neocon infiltrators, then seize and hold power. We know all about backroom boys and how to send them packin' off to a revitalized BC Con party.

Its the only chance we have.

This is a perfect metaphor

This is a perfect metaphor for the entirety of the human condition. We choose to proceed on the path to self-annihilation and death to the natural world even when the facts are known.

When something as utterly wonderful as wild salmon or the Amazonian rain-forest cannot stir the masses to elect for a change of course, well, I feel that all hope is lost and that our descent into barbarism and a hideous end is assured.

By re-electing Campbell, we have drunk the purple kool-aid. Now we await the inevitable. Hug the things you love, folks.

I very much doubt you're

I very much doubt you're right about the move away from Nader being the principle reason Obama got in, Seth. But if that is what they did, perhaps seduced by their own projections, perhaps by his fine manners, perhaps by the prospect of finally having a person of colour in office, they would NOW then be responsible for electing someone in who is continuing the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, who can spin it so that it seems less about oil, so that it might, with apparent legitimacy, be expanded, and certainly prove harder to stop, is causing the gay/lesbian community to suspect he might at heart actually be homophobic, and is keeping the have/have not world afloat. They are beginning to look like easy dupes, who have turned away those like Nader who well understood the true nature of someone like Obama. They will probably continue to feel dirty, foolish, girlishly infatuated (sorry girls), and this self-doubt might cause them to believe they now DESERVE what's coming to them (you're hearing some of this self-loathing from some members of the gay/lesbian community that voted for him, right now--a trend that will surely increase), making them seem like they might end up seeming more a France to a WW2 Germany, than I'd like.

The Progressive Conservative party was taken over by regressives, because their primitive mental states were a match for a populace increasingly inclined to scapegoat, to prefer thinking in polarized terms. Maybe it is Seth's own tendency to do the same, to identify Progressives he doesn't agree with as blood on their hands murderers, that has him now sensing out a way someone who had prefered to identify as Green could join up with a "strong" war party like the Liberals, helmed by its own sexy, upright "Obama," without this move inducing too much guilt.

Crawford Kilian - This article is horribly biased

The resolution from the Regional District seems to me to be fair, balanced and well written.

The premise of this article seems to be that the presence of fish farms is causing the distruction of wild stocks.

Crawford, how much effort would it take to talk to a real researcher about wild and farmed fish interactions. In BC we have some of the best research scientists in the world, how about talking to some of them. The phone number for the Pacific Biological Station is (250) 756-7000.

Yes, by all means Crawford.

Talk to the folks who got us into this mess. Why not, the government consults the banks who created the sub prime mortgage meltdown - the 'real' researchers who sit in their offices. Never mind Alex Morton. What does she know out there near the problem areas.. Pigs fly>

I completely understand

I completely understand Morton's frustration and despair fighting the status quo. It is the same frustration and despair many of us feel on numerous other issues such as poverty, homelessness, drug policy, etc. However, I think she is wrong to assume that informed citizens have democratically chosen farmed fish over wild.

We don't have a true democracy, but more like an idiocracy. Most people who actually bother to vote don't truly inform themselves of the issues, but rely on their representatives to do the right thing for them, which they rarely do since the political class is more inclined to kleptocracy than democracy.

Thank you, Alexandra

I was just thinking how Alexandra's Morton's journey has been much like that of the wild salmon she so loves - a moving, noble, and totally upstream struggle.

And probably at times it felt like a really lonely one.

She's just being herself, honest and true, when she says :

"If you want wild salmon in British Columbia, you will need to roar all the way from Campbell River to Parliament Hill in Ottawa, because only you have the power to turn this around and let the wild lifeblood of this coast survive. "

Perry

I think the more appopriate word to replace 'status quo' would be torpidity...............

way to go! Alexandre!

Yes we wrote letters and emailed. Some of us. But its not enough. This was a serious issue with a time limit. All BC enviro organizations as well as peace and justice and spiritual groups and organic growers need to get together all at once and do a blitz on an issue like this.
Let go of there own agenda for one week and totally focus on this issue whole heartedly.
What a role model Ms Morton has been all these years.
Kudos also to Rafe Mair and Daemian Gillis for their Save our Rivers awareness campaign.
Are you listening Tzeporah David, Western Wildreness Canadian Alternatives, Green Party, NDp, etc, etc.???

Good Luck?

Sounds like a kiss off to me.

What would make the difference?
If salmon could talk and they said, “Thank you Ms. Morton?”

The sturgeon is being eradicated in the name of sport.
Sharks are being killed for sexual gratification.
The ocean is itself becoming uninhabitable.
Paul Watson said in Sharkwater that you don’t need an entire
population to make a difference, just one person ...with PASSION. Get revitalized and go see Paul Watson to step up your game.
The world is a mess. There are children getting less consideration than salmon and the future for both looks bleak.
Democracy is all that.
If you quit fighting for your beliefs, I suspect you won’t be happier. And please don’t forget many people don’t know shit and more people are struggling to stay one step ahead of disaster, both exactly as planned...I can tell you for a fact that what you are doing here is exactly what is desired.
Never assume. I suspect you can finish this.

Is this really what BC wants?

When only 23% of eligible voters favored the aquaculture-loving Liberals it seems to me that the people of this province don't give a fat rat's ass about wild salmon. There are so many reasons not to have fish farms in our waters but the people of the lower mainland ignore those reasons and all the science behind them. On the north coast we fought to keep fish farms from the mouth of the Skeena river and we won that fight. Because we don't want the same thing to happen up here as is happening in the Broughton and on Vancouver Island we stood up for our river. Why can't the millions of people in the lower mainland do the same.
I don't blame Alexandra from stepping aside (she is not giving up)after banging heads with fish farm companies, the Feds and mainly this environmentally unfriendly provincial government we have had for too many years. Let's continue to support adopt-a-fry and do whatever it takes to get these Atlantic salmon into closed containers or off shore or , preferably out of waters all together.
Cheers to you, Alexandra and as Leonard Cohen aptly wrote: "Say goodbye to Alexandra leaving, and say goodbye to Alexandra lost"

"If I can hear you, I will meet you wherever you take a stand"

Enjoyed reading your comment, Skeena Fisherman.

Well said.

Know I should give this one a by

But I teared up when I read Morton's "Endgame" and the commenters are quoting Cohen (which I have not heard yet). So:
What do I say?
I have toured the Broughtons and found a farm in every bay.
Stayed in Alert Bay and heard the farms bring a bunch more stuff in than they send out (That would be Garbage!) I'm trying to guess where the mass loss ended up.
I have worked up coast and done my lifetime share of pollution. I know these workers.
They can not be trusted and their owners can not be trusted
When the tide is running out the garbage goes in the chuck
Got it?

Yo Skywalker....

Hmmmm... from a Socialist Canada:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Manifesto_for_a_Socialist_Canada

Has BC Hydro's 1999, 600 ROR, IPP public policy been mentioned yet?

Yuppers, dems der folk. ;)

Offensive

The fact that luke skywalker, now posting as luke skywalker redux is still permitted access to these comments threads is offensive.

Return to the River

"The salmon were the river, they were the country, of it and helping to make it. In words, he told himself, it becomes meaningless, merely sentimental.But you can feel it, know that this is right, the other wrong. The river is there for their use, they are its yield, growing from it, growing on it, giving themselves back to it in a cycle that that no mere human farming has yet been able to match."

Roderick Haig-Brown