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Survivors Wait While Lawyers Squabble

Disputed legal fees mean compensation payments are again delayed. Second in a series.

By Jacqueline Windh, 22 Feb 2007, TheTyee.ca

Matthew Williams

Matthew Williams: 21-year fight. Photo J. Windh.

"Let me tell you what it's like at a hearing. I'm in a room, and there's my lawyer in front of me, an adjudicator to my right, two women from the government, and then one or two native counsellors at my side, who I've never met before and who are usually women. Each time, I'm telling this to four different women that I've never seen before, and to an adjudicator who I've never seen before, trying to tell them about things that happened to me way back in 1951."

Matthew Williams is a member of the Tla-o-qui-aht First Nation. His tribe's main village, Opitsaht, lies across the harbour from Tofino. Williams himself lives on an island off the main village. Opitsaht is just one of many native villages on Indian reserves where former Indian residential school students like Williams are waiting to be compensated for the unlawful confinements and physical and sexual assaults that took place decades ago in the schools.

"They ask me, 'What did it feel like when the priest stuck his penis up your ass for the first time? Did it hurt? Did it bleed? What did it feel like, having him breathing down your neck?' I was eight years old."

Williams travelled to Victoria earlier this month to attend, for the sixth time, a hearing to decide how much he is owed. At the fifth hearing, he was told that this time he would be asked no more than five or six questions. Instead, Williams says, they fired 50 at him within the first hour.

"It is so painful, so shameful, to have to sit in front of those women, time and time again, so they can try to find some discrepancy in my story. It is so degrading, I feel so full of shame. I left that hearing saying 'I don't want your money. That carrot you're dangling in front of me, you can shove it up your ass.'"

In the hours after the hearing, Williams suffered a stress-related anxiety attack. He finished the day in a hospital bed.

Matthew Williams was one of the first residential school attendees in Canada to launch a complaint about the treatment he received while there. His made his first report to the RCMP while he was in an addiction treatment centre. "That was back in 1986," he said last week. "And here I am, 21 years later. I still haven't got a cent."

Only a fraction compensated

Williams is not alone. Out of approximately 100,000 thousand First Nations children who attended residential schools -- about 80,000 of whom are still alive today -- only about 13,000 of the oldest former students have been paid restitution.

That was supposed to change this year. After survivors launched a series of class-action lawsuits, the federal government agreed to a payment formula. But, just as the money was to start flowing, the pipes again got clogged.

A dispute over lawyers' fees means survivors now face even more delays.

The current compensation process was kick-started in 2003 when the federal government, through Indian Residential Schools Resolution Canada, drafted the Alternative Dispute Resolution procedure. The procedure was supposed to serve as a substitute to courtroom hearings and prevent victims, like Williams, from having to face cross-examinations from defence lawyers.

In 2005, a more comprehensive settlement agreement was drawn up between the government of Canada, the plaintiffs as represented by their lawyers, the Assembly of First Nations (AFN) and the four churches that operated residential schools.

The Agreement in Principle, as the new agreement was called, created a two-part compensation process. The first payment, called the Common Experience Payment, is for all former students and is based on how many years they spent in residential schools, to a maximum of around $40,000. The government set aside $1.9 billion dollars for those payments, as well as another $205 million to fund related initiatives such as the Aboriginal Healing Foundation.

The second stage, the Independent Assessment Payment, is for those who were sexually and physically abused. To apply for the second payment, survivors must attend a hearing and talk specifically and accurately about what was done to them. Specific cases of abuse are then classified by severity, frequency and the impacts of the abuse on, for example, their health or ability to earn an income. These factors are then all graded on a points system [for more on the points system see "Putting a Price on Suffering" in yesterday's Tyee] to determine the value of compensation, which could range from $5,000 to $525,000 per person.

That was all decided back in 2005. But, with the exception of small advance payments for the oldest survivors, the money hasn't started to flow. The delay has nothing to do with the survivors themselves and everything to do with their lawyers. Or, more specifically, a dispute over how much those lawyers should be paid.

Feds balk at lawyers' fees

Tony Merchant has become synonymous with the residential school file. Merchant, a well-connected Saskatchewan lawyer, whose wife is a Liberal senator, is the head of the Merchant Law Group. No one disputes that Merchant Law represents more former residential school students than any other firm. Exactly how many, however, is another question.

Under the Agreement in Principle, Merchant Law, and any other firm representing a survivor, is entitled to a fee for every client they represent who claims the Common Experience Payment. (They can also claim a percentage of any award won under the Independent Assessment Payment, an enormous potential windfall for lawyers that you can read more about in part three of this series, tomorrow in The Tyee.) Merchant claims to represent as many 10,000 former students, which he says should entitle him to at least $40 million in fees. The Federal government, though, thinks his roster of clients is considerably shorter and his restitution should be equally curtailed.

The Agreement in Principle included a provision, known as Schedule V, to settle the dispute between the two parties, one part of which allowed the government to hire an auditor to review Merchant's files. But that too caused controversy. The audit, conducted by Deloitte and Touche, ended abruptly in 2005 when Merchant refused the auditors further access to his files, arguing that to do otherwise would be a violation of solicitor/client privilege.

The situation escalated in December, when a judge in Saskatchewan, relying again on a provision of Section V stating that if the Federal Representative and Merchant Law Group cannot come to an agreement on the fees, the final payment "shall in no event be more than $40 million or less than $25 million," ruled that while some of Merchant Law's behaviours have been questionable, the agreement is unambiguous and the government has to pay up, at least to the tune of $25 million.

The federal government, not surprisingly, disagrees. Last month, they launched an appeal of the Saskatchewan ruling, arguing that the judge did not have jurisdiction to make a ruling on legal fees and that the fees themselves should be reconsidered. Until the appeal is settled, the agreement cannot be finalized. And, at least according to Merchant, until the agreement is finalized, no one gets paid.

Minister: appeal won't delay payments

Federal government officials would not comment on this story since the appeal is before the courts. But Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice told reporters last month that he doesn't think the dispute would delay compensation payments.

But that's balderdash, according to Merchant. In an interview with The Tyee, Merchant argued the appeal has already caused delays. "This federal appeal will be heard on March 22," he said. "If it takes the judge even just half of the 80 to 100 days the judges took for the previous decisions, it could be mid-May before we reach the next stage.

"We settled this on November 20, 2005. The government promised payments to start in 2006. I now think that we won't see any payments until the beginning of 2008."

Delays kill programs, push back payments

That delay could have serious repercussions on organizations and individuals alike. The Aboriginal Healing Foundation, set up in 1998, was supposed to receive $125 million this year through the Agreement in Principle. Wayne Spear, AHF's director of communications, says he now doesn't expect to see that money until the end of this year at the earliest. 145 funded projects that are presently ongoing will have to be abandoned.

Hearings for individual claims of physical and sexual abuse also cannot begin until the agreement is finalized. While the government has committed to provide resources to hear at least 2,500 cases per year, it is not yet known how many of the estimated 80,000 survivors still alive today will apply through IAP. The entire process, not yet even started, could take decades. Many of the survivors are elderly and sick, and they are dying at a rate of about four every day, according to the Assembly of First Nations.

Breaking the silence

Matthew Williams is now 63. His first payment, under the Common Experience Program, could be another year or two coming. Just by talking about his experience, though, Williams has proved himself an exception.

In Opitsaht, many residential school survivors are still trapped within emotional cages that were created many years ago. All of this talk about forms to fill out, travelling to hearings, telling strangers what happened -- for many people it is triggering memories that have been suppressed for decades. And so, in Opitsaht and the many communities like it, binge drinking (which means forgetting) and talk of suicide (which means escaping), which are already prevalent, are becoming even more commonplace.

"I don't understand why the government won't acknowledge the torture and abuse they put me through in residential school. For 10 years, as a child," Williams said.

"Then along comes Arar. Canada isn't even the one who tortured him, yet they pay. He came back home to his family, and I have to go through this alone, because of how it's made me. Because we were just kids when it happened to us.

"And my settlement, compared to his, will be so tiny. And we're sure not going to get an apology from the prime minister saying 'We're sorry for torturing your son for 10 goddamn years.'"  [Tyee]

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  • Gary

    5 years ago

    Mr. Williams...

    is justified in telling the panel to shove the money up there ass...or another female aperture that I can think of that will take a male appendage. How degrading this must be. Just reading this article makes me sick. Further, why is he being made to commute to a meeting. The panel should be convening wherever these victims live. And if that means travelling all over the country so be it.
    I would sure like to see an itemized list of the lawyers billing. I can bet there would be plenty of inflated costs like charging an hour for 5 minutes work.
    As far as the government with-holding funds we all know what that is about. The money "set aside" is more than likely banked and the interest rate on this amount would more than likely buy a Corvette every week. Thus cutting some of the losses.
    Maybe these victims should demand the degrading hearings come to them and have only one sitting. And maybe they should be claiming interest on the money owed them. I bet that would shake the shit out of some people.

  • clubofrome

    5 years ago

    Leaches...

    What do you call a bus load of lawyers at the bottom of the sea?

  • Gary

    5 years ago

    Or

    Bottom feeders

  • Alcibiades

    5 years ago

    I thought it was

    A good start

  • dolphin

    5 years ago

    Lawyer joke

    A United Way committee in the US was brain-storming ways to buttonhole well-to-do residents for donations for their annual campaign. The name of a prominent wealthy lawyer came up, but everyone around the table said he'd been approached numerous times, but had never given a cent. One new gung-ho member volunteered to try again.
    He called the lawyer saying, "Since the community has afforded you a very good lifestyle for his services, wouldn't it be reasonable to give a little back?"
    The lawyer responded, "Are you aware that my elderly father has just been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease and now requires round the clock care at a cost of $$8000 per month?"
    "No, I didn't know that. I'm sorry to hear that," responded the fund raiser.
    "And are you aware that my brother and his family were in a serious car accident, killing him, and disabling his wife and two boys. They're going to need lifelong financial assistance."
    "That terrible, I'm so sorry for your loss," said the fund raiser.
    "And furthermore, did you know that my wife has just been diagnosed with malignant breast cancer, and will require months of surgery and treatments, costings tens of thousands of dollars?"
    "My goodness, how awful," said the fund raiser thinking that even a wealthy person would feel constrained by all these huge expenditures. But before he could said anything more, the lawyer said, "So if I'm not paying for any of these things, why the hell would I donate to the friggin' United Way?"

  • clubofrome

    5 years ago

    A good start is the answer...

    The devil visited a lawyer's office and made him an offer. "I can arrange some things for you, " the devil said. "I'll increase your income five-fold. Your partners will love you; your clients will respect you; you'll have four months of vacation each year and live to be a hundred. All I require in return is that your wife's soul, your children's souls, and their children's souls rot in hell for eternity."

    The lawyer thought for a moment. "What's the catch?" he asked.

  • BC Mary

    5 years ago

    Jeez, guys?

    Mathew Williams, age 63 ... in torture since the age of 8.

    This experience is bloody awful and although it's not enough, I just want to say how sorry I feel about the whole rotten process.

    Better luck soon, Mr Williams.

  • clubofrome

    5 years ago

    As if the experience wasn't

    As if the experience wasn't "bloody awful" enough, these victims are made to relive the experience another 5 or 6 times in front of lawyers and lawyer types. Then other the lawyers get into the billing side and nobody gets paid until they do. Rotten process doesn't even come close. There are no words for this behavior. Eternity in Hell would be letting them off easy.

  • G West

    5 years ago

    I'm surprised

    We haven't seen a word from maestro on these stories.

    I wonder why?

    Well done Tyee. Well done Jacqueline Windh, again.

    This is alternative and important media at its best.

  • Aimless

    5 years ago

    Lawyer jokes may relieve some tension, but...

    one of the (many) cornerstone weaknesses of our civilization is that, in our striving for fairness and justice for all (at least on paper), we thereby open the door for people to take personal advantage of the justice system. And it's not just lawyers, though they're the visible tip of the iceberg. Many a civil service bureaucrat and social worker makes a good living off restitution for past (or perceived) injustice.
    In a way, it might be better for those involved (I hesitate to use the word "victims" because that would make them such) to just write it off as past experience, and get on with life. I know their present experience of waiting and hoping, hearing after hearing, would only fuel my bitterness and further degrade my life.
    I don't know what the solution might be to this bureaucratized victimhood. I just know we need one, badly.

  • tishie

    5 years ago

    Some misinformation about the current compensation scheme

    Someone suggested that the residential school claimants should be allowed to have their hearing at their homes. In fact, the claimants choose exactly where the hearings will be held, and the adjudicators and government representatives travel to wherever that may be. Often the hearings are held in the claimant's homes, band council offices, etc.

    Claimants also choose whether their adjudicator will be male or female. Only in rare cases does the hearing last more than one sitting. The hearings are conducted as sensitively as possible - no cross examination is allowed, the claimants may bring as many support persons as they want, and the hearings often open and close with traditional prayers or other ceremonies. The government representatives and the church (if they are asked to attend) offer very solemn apologies for the wrongs committed by the school staff.

    Although everyone seems to condemn the current process, no one has offered a single suggestion for improving it. The system got off to a slow start, but hearings, decisions and payments are ongoing and you can see the exact numbers at http://www.irsr-rqpi.gc.ca/english/dispute_resolution_adr_decisions.html

    I cannot understand why Ms Windh repeatedly says that no claimants have been paid, when that is simply not the case.

  • G West

    5 years ago

    tishie

    I think you need to read all three of these pieces. There is clearly abuse of process going on in some of these circumstances. If you're not familiar with Tony Merchant and the kind of tactics the man has been practicing in the name of the law for a great many years then you're not very familiar with this file.

    You need to do a little more research. Furthermore, Windt doesn't say no claimants have been paid. What she does write is this:

    Quote:
    That was all decided back in 2005. But, with the exception of small advance payments for the oldest survivors, the money hasn't started to flow

    After looking at the information on the website which makes exactly the same point about prioritizing the claims of the elderly, I don't think I have much to add. Ms Windt is doing a valuable service. It's too bad some members of the legal profession aren't.

  • gordon

    5 years ago

    GOD BLESS THE FIRST NATIONS PEOPLE

    I just read this thread late tonight.

    curiously...
    I talked with a native man earlier this evening in his 50's at broadway and commercial. He was selling his art. And very beautiful art it was.
    More than a few times in our conversation about his art he alluded to his abused childhood in a residential school, he also mentioned he was called a number not even the dignity of a real name in the residential school. We dont even call our pets numbers. How utterly degrading and dehumanizing, and now to read this article and somehow not be surprised at the continuation of the shamefull degredation whilst we make these poor souls relive and regurgitate these sickening facts for the sake of assessing an extra thousand dollars or whatever. Only satan himself could devise such a lifetime of torture and hideous schemes that continue unrelenting and now to be shared with a roomfull of disengenious cold blooded lawyers with pads of brutally explicit questions to be asked and answered as matter of factly as tho they were questioning the criminal and not the victim.

    Noticing his constant revisiting of the residential school in our conversation I prayed silently in the spirit for his release from his constant return to his past, then asked him if I could pray for him before I left. He humbly, graciously, and quickly accepted my invitation. We prayed, I thanked Jesus for His gift of forgiveness and asked Him to bless this man with the same spirit so that he might heal and be healed from his abuse and pain.

    Reading these descriptions of the interviews makes me want to demand the government pay them an additional 100% more than the "formula" allows for.

    I wonder if the government goes up the orifices of corporate executives that fleece the taxpayers for 10's of billions every year with as much voracity and coldness as they have these once innocent children who through no fault of thier own were traumatized and victimized again and again and even now just a few more times to be sure that nobody is unduly advantaged. How corrupt and vile a scenario, to level a playing field of walking wounded with details that would send any god fearing person to the toilet to retch up the demons of inquisition.

    I am numb with the callous indifference to human suffering. I am traumatised myself and stunned with remorse and guilt that I can do nothing more than offer a covering prayer on the freshly opened lifetime of festering sores caused by our diseased system of compensation and accountability.

    I have no faith in man any more, I trust in Jesus alone. I try to love everyone equally, I just have no faith in anyone.

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