At one time there was world

At one time there was world wide Pride and Respect for this once proud Federal Police Force, but just like our politics there is major corruption in all of these!
I'd say get rid of the RCMP's "The Old Boys Club"
Look at BC's Campbell and Alberta's Ralphy in a back room and their insane TILMA! Come on people wake up these are creeps who we pay for to do Right By and For US!
Guess who's paying big bucks for these warmongering commercials and how much?

if you only knew

here you go guys, all u need to know about the RCMP's modern existence can be found at the url below this excerpt:

"....At the time, Canada was a loyal son of the British Empire but still this country chose to follow the American model -- for reasons that had little to do with principles or evidence and much to do with institutional power.

"In 1920," wrote the authors of Panic and Indifference, a history of Canada's drug laws, "the Canadian Medical Association was struggling to recover from the near-bankruptcy it experienced during the war years of 1914-18." And unlike the British Medical Association, the CMA didn't have the power to monitor and discipline wayward members, who belonged to the new, fragile and disorganized provincial associations.

Into this power vacuum stepped the RCMP. The Mounties had been formed to bring order to the wild North West, which had been accomplished by the time of the First World War. In 1917, the force was relieved of its duties in the Prairie provinces. The remaining 300 officers feared they would be disbanded if they didn't find some new reason for existing.

At exactly this perilous moment, laws banning alcohol and other drugs were popping up all over Canada. The Mounties seized the lifeline.

In the turf wars that followed, the disorganized doctors were brushed aside and the RCMP quickly took control of Canadian drug policy. As in the United States, maintenance and other medical practices that blurred the line between legal and illegal were wiped out.

Instead, the line was sharpened: Drugs became "evil" and those involved with them were, in the words of the RCMP commissioner, "the peculiarly loathsome dregs of humanity." The only acceptable approach was tough enforcement and stern punishment. The cops' victory over the doctors was total....."

http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v04/n168/a03.html

Police Forces Everywhere

I think personally a Police force, RCMP or a city force cannot, should not investigate itself.
There needs to be a totaly independant investigative body setup to look into any complaint of wrong doing of a Police Force.
The "thin blue line" could get awful thick when ranks are closed in an investigation.

The Queens Cowboys

At the time of the announcement I laughed at the LIEberal party and their treatment of both the Canadian Forces and the RCMP.

The action of making the CDS and others within the defence community into ADMs (Assistant Deputy Ministers) took the 'power' away from the officers of the military and put them permanently under the thumbs of a 'political' master.

This worked so well that the RCMP suddenly (in 1973) found themselves in a similar situation.

Instead of a personal contact with the PM, and freedom to promote within the organization, the Comissioner became an ADM under 'Public Safety Ministry' or some other such designation.

Pushed away from the center of power and held in check by the ADMs appointed by the PMO within the organization (with little or no consultation of the RCMP for whom would become these 4-8 ADMs) and the extremely tight purse strings of Treasury Board the RCMP started to become like the guard dog that had been trained, prepared and allowed to use thier ability for a few years; then tied to a post and hit with a stick every time it barked.

So now, with the last election the Queens Cowboys guard dog bit the hand that has been beating it with the stick. I was not surprised at all, especially given the treatment that the senior ranks were given by Darth Cretinous.

Police state

So murdock, you believe police and military forces should engage in politics to "get back" at politicians.

Great, I've always wanted to live in a country where the police and military tell the political leaders how its going to be. Yet one more strike against "Sovereign Individual" world.

Bass Ackwards

No Frank, you have my personal view upside down as usual.

The 'original' setup of the Canadian Military establishment, prior to 1968, allowed for an 'arms length' approach to the political process. The CDS was not an ADM, nor were any of the senior military officers in the HQ. Now they are all ADM (pers) or some such designations. Making the question of political afiliation something that comes with appointment to these high offices...something that was not part of the promotion process before the 1970's. After 40 years of this misalignment there are far too many senior officers with alegiances to other LIEberal appointed bureaucrats in the PMO (or buried elsewhere right now).

This same sad state of affiars has become the norm within the RCMP senior command since 1973 (with a connection to Treasury Board and the appointment of 4 ADM's and the change of the Chief Commissioner from being an 'independant legal body' that was answerable to the Senate Justice Committee and to the Parliamentary Solicitor General Committee - reporting directly to the Privy Council; to a lackey of the Solicitor General) AND now having to 'watch his back' for the politically appointed ADM's looking for an opportunity to embarrass the CC and make a try for their own appointment to the position.

Jean Cretien, used the RCMP as some sort of bag men to facilitate his cash payments in Quebec, they complied...then were 'handled' thru the PMO. Leaving a really bad taste in the mouths of those few senior commanders that remained from the years' when no such 'dictates' from a PM would ever by followed, let alone be permitted to be ordered without comment in the Privy Council, Senate or even the floor of the Commons.

Great, because you are living in such a place now.

www.rabble.ca/columnists_full

www.rabble.ca/columnists_full.shtml?x=55282

I think Rick's on to something - don't forget it was a month before the election that Stockwell Day was on Israel National Radio saying how much he loved Israel and that how the Canadian government would give the complete support they had always wanted if Harper was elected. Also the real beginning of the leak was from a guy names Gleberzon, the Director of Government & Media Relations for CARP (the Cdn Assoc of Retired Persons). The very next day he issued a news release denying it but it was too late - the ball was rolling towards disaster for the Liberals. (google: CARP leader in crossfire over income trusts)
In the "Israel Lobby" the most powerful lobby group is the American branch of CARP.
I also see Harper appointed Senator Margorie Lebreton (from the old Malroney cabin) to a newly minted position as overseer to Seniors. Something to muse over.

Nice try

Sorry murdock but this is what you said that made me respond.

When the military-police "dog bites back" we have a real problem. I don't care how much "abuse" the military or the police suffer at the hands of politicians, their job is to do what they're ordered to do or find new work and that goes for senior ranks, anti-unificcation people or those still upset over the airborne. Tough titty as they say.

Fire them all and let EI sort them out. Maybe the next group will do what the courts and politicos tell them to do instead of going "Argentine" during elections.

Appology not accepted

The 'new establishments' given to the military in 68 and the RCMP in 73 were masked over by the unification crap to the military and the 100 year 'celebrations' for the National Police. Both organizations protested loudly the actions of making their senior ranks into POLITICAL APPOINTEES. In '68 there were mass resignations in the Lt.Col to General officer ranks and many of the senior chiefs also quit. The media reported this as some sort of petty dispute over uniforms and esprit de corps crap, think about it...these professionals were leaving a lifetime of military service because their uniform was changing from a white ice-cream man to a green one? No way. It was a severe loss of control over the destiny of so many whom had given them their trust and loyalty...and they all spoke up loudly about it!

In 73 the RCMP started down the same path, and many former Army officers warned the senior ranks about what was going on...they tried to fight it from within...with Cretien they (the RCMP) lost. Cretien has been a combattant with the RCMP his entire career, when he was with the Pearson and Trudeau governments he was connected to the Finance ministries and advised Treasury Board to complete these changes, requiring the ADM's to be a part of the financial package.

In 74 he becomes president of Treasury board and is the 'defacto' Finance Minister, certainly in charge of the appointment of the first Police ADM's and continuing the tradition of inducing political influence in the upper ranks of the CF.

For a while the RCMP and Military were actually allowed to have their recomendations appointed to these ADM positions.

The police were placed in 'questionable' position after the 1980 Quebec referendum by their connections to 'funny money' starting with Cretien's involvement with the threats to Quebec separation then as Minister of State for Social Development and Minister Responsible for Constitutional Negotiations.

On Darth Cretinous' election win in 1993, the writing was on the wall to the senior officer ranks and a new round of ADM appoinments began along with a fresh run of military resignations. Mine included.

Many of the Police ADM's were still in-place supporting the LIEberals as they were expected to do.

I cannot accept your appology

You have completly missed the problem of having either of these organizations becoming 'puppets' of any politically motivated group. This is what has happened by making the CDS and CC ADM's, worse still many of the others are also these Assistant Deputy Ministers. Placing them under the control of other political appointees.

This would completely ruin both establishments and I am wholly in favor of such an action, so long as it also brings "the Canada" to an end as well.

Then each province would finally have control over their own police forces, unilke now where the Queens Cowboys can thumb their noses at Provincial Laws whenever their 'interests' are threatened.

The military belongs to the Parliament and should be serving 'the people' thru their constitution, but then (again thanks to Darth Cretinous) we do not have a constituion we have the "Kitchen Accord", an agreement which led to the agreement of 9 provinces to patriation. Ultimately the PMO is the de-facto POPE of Canada, witness what a minority PM is able to do right now! Were the Military not under these politically motivated appointments then they would be free to speak to the Privy Council, the Senate and ordinary MP's to get important issues resolved in the correct arena = the house of commons.

Your solution would only cement into place the complete domination of the PMO, in fact such a precedent would allow future PM's to 'flush out' the senior ranks upon their arrival in the halls of power and set the civil legal arm of the RCMP and the firepower of the CF at their personal disposal...if you thought the War Measures Act gave too much power away, then this would create the perfect police state with little or no civil check on the direction of the use of force.

These organizations before had oversight, from Privy Council and the Senate and the Commons.

Now we get nothing, unless the PMO wants it to be that way.

This was why, in my mind, the RCMP let the 'investigation' quote out just prior to the election, tubing the LIEberals chances at power. The organization had a chance to 'be free' of Cretien (after Dithers 'won' the leadership) and actually have some time to get their own house in order without more ADM's being forced upon them.

You said:

I repeat, you live in such a place right now.

Aha

So now we finally get to the crux of your issue. You resigned from the army as a protest and decided that an independent Saskatchewan or whatever would make grand and glorious decisions that a Canada wouldn't. Somehow a country of 1 million is wonderful and a country of 30 million is a tyranny. 300 million America must be hell on earth.

Its too bad the military and police got told they have to march to the bidding of the guy that got elected PM instead of being able to run their own shows, but again, tough titty. Its democracy and we prefer someone elected giving the orders.

The fact you prefer someone not elected controlling the use of force in this country is a bit shocking but not out of character. I will gladly have "puppets" contolled by someone elected than all the force of the country marching to their own drum.

By the way, I understand your calling the man you obviously hate abve all other men "Cretinous", but Darth? Its not like his name is Garth. You should do a parody of Jean, it would make more sense. How about Bean Cretinous? Or Mean Cretinous?

Nope

No I don't, but I would if the military and police were free to thumb their noses at elected officials because otherwise they'd whine and say they're puppets.

Who's Election?

I am having the problem with the farce of elections.

The control factor was thru Privy Council (for National Security interests), the Senate - for long term personnel matters and the Commons, for the operational go/no go decisions.

I will admit that at least the current minority went to the commons for the continuation of Afghanistan ~ showing how much of war mongers the LIEberals really are...

If you think that the military is 'under' such controls you are blind to what is happening in Afghanistan now and what long-term effects these actions will have to the function of the CF.

The RCMP is under the direct supervision of the PMO and the mandarins in there...not any of them elected by anyone ~ ALL appointed, ALL OF THEM.

This was why, during the writ, the Force could act they way that it did. They knew that if the LIEberals got back in, that the CC and others in the organization (whom were DARTH CRETINOUS appointees) were toast, that their careers in 'law' enforcement were over. IF the CONformers got in, then some negotiation could go on, but likely many of the LIEberal appointed ADM's would loose their offices, but not get booted from the force.

I left at the end of my contract, pleased to not have to put up with the political crap that was building up as I dashed out the door.

I call Cretien, Darth Cretinous after a cartoon that was done in Quebec of Cretin drawn as a 'darth' character from the Star Wars films.

sigh, it is less funny after you have to explain it to someone.