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Where Was the Media?
I tried to raise key election issues. Some big enviro groups, and most reporters, looked away.
Tzeporah Berman, Rafe Mair: Who's message got airplay?
As the provincial election unfolded, we saw serious rifts exposed in the environmental movement. Where does it go now after the massive Campbell win, ratifying his plans to ravage our seas and rivers?
In the vacuum created by that rift, the news media of B.C. utterly failed in its duty to inform the voters about critical environmental issues.
As a result, Campbell will assume a mandate to bring in more fish farms, increase the capacity of those in existence and continue a massive destruction of our rivers.
Premier Campbell was able to campaign without having to meet these issues head on and this strategy was clear to me as I taunted his ministers to debate with me.
Where was the energy minister? There is no doubt in my mind that an integral part of Campbell's strategy was to get rid of Richard Neufeld, the former energy minister, so that he would not be seen to be avoiding debate. Instead, a new minister could duck a fight because he was so recent an appointment.
Movement divided, media muted
If there is an environmental movement it was sent asunder by the defection of Tzeporah Berman and David Suzuki, who seemed to tell us that destruction of rivers for power was helpful to the cause of lowering carbon emissions into the atmosphere. Indeed there seemed to be an inference, if not a direct statement, that they alone represented environmental legitimacy, an arrogant assumption of leadership.
They were accredited by the media as the environmental aristocracy before whom the rest of us should cringe in fear and humility. There were exceptions. The talk shows at CKNW and CFUN did permit contrary views, as did some community papers. But you would have looked in vain in the mainstream news media to see what we were on about.
And what was our message?
That so-called "run of river projects" permanently and seriously impact our rivers and streams to make electricity which we, through our crown corporation, BC Hydro, must buy at double or more the "spot" market price.
That this power, because most of it can only be produced when the spring runoff occurs, is of almost no use domestically and must be exported. This was confirmed by the CEO of the Plutonic/General Electric partnership who said a person "would have had to be in a coma" not to know that this power was for export.
And that Hydro now owes $31 billion to those private power companies who now have a contract -- a sum that will hugely increase as more and more private projects get approved.
With so much at stake, you would think this would be an issue that public affairs shows would want to explore at some point during the election.
Fanny, can't you spare a spot?
Yet, to offer one example of the frustrations I faced as I travelled around the province speaking on this issue, I was consistently denied the opportunity to appear on the Fanny Kiefer Show on Shaw Cable.
I began to wonder if this was because Shaw Cable is the major shareholder of Corus Entertainment, the owners of CKNW, who fired me in 2003 and have airbrushed me from their history and to this date deny me access to the 20th and 21st floor of the TD building.
When I shared my thinking with Fanny it was not she but Shaw Cable who, in a letter one might send to an uneducated bumpkin, stated that this wasn't so. As they considered this issue and it became clear, in the fullness of time and at the end of the day...they might well ask me to appear. Like much of the media in general, Shaw Cable simply refused to deal with the serious allegations Save Our Rivers Society was raising throughout the province.
CBC and Canwest
I do a regular political panel on Monday mornings on CBC radio and I begged for a year to have this issue and the fish farms debacle on the agenda. They never were unless I crammed it into an answer to an entirely different question. I was told that last week they did an entire program on it but in spite of the fact that I'm a CBC "regular," as official spokesperson for Save Our Rivers Society, I was not invited. (I expect after saying this I will be let go as part of their budget cuts.)
Again and again I asked political columnists Vaughn Palmer of the Sun and Mike Smyth of the Province to deal with this issue but not a peep. If what I said was wrong, surely the media would have said so and why.
Last Fall I went to Terrace to speak on this issue and, before I left, was interviewed by a reporter for the local radio station. When I got to the public meeting the woman who interviewed me told me (and she was prepared to be identified) that the interview had not been used because the manager of the station thought it might offend Alcan.
A few weeks ago I was in Castlegar to give a speech at an NDP fundraiser and the Black newspaper failed to cover my speech or interview me.
Laurel for Mark Hume
The only senior member of the print media (apart from a few courageous community papers) to deal with this issue at all was Mark Hume of the Globe and Mail. Indeed, the Globe, in its B.C. section, covers B.C. issues better than the two local Canwest papers combined.
During the 14 months I was traveling the province, speaking to full houses, nary one "journalist" from the two main Vancouver dailies and Global-BCTV, ever asked me a single question. Save Our Rivers Society, who hired me in part because I'm a broadcaster with a Michener Award, the Bruce Hutchison Lifetime Award winner and member of the Broadcaster's Hall of Fame, might just as well hired a fencepost with hair for all the attention the media paid this issue.
It's not about me
Perhaps I flatter myself in thinking that the media should report what I say. But the charges I made were serious. If I was right, they should have reported that. If I was wrong, then so were scientists like Alexandra Morton, Dr. Craig Orr, John Calvert, Dr Marvin Schaffer, Dr Marvin Rosenau, Mark Angelo, Dr Neil Frazer and Otto Langer.
Think on it again -- Save Our Rivers Society maintained that the Campbell government:
1) Encourages large corporations to ruin our rivers to produce electricity
2) Under long term contracts, forces BC Hydro to pay two or three times the export value with the price indexed to the market
3) The electricity, because of the time of year it's produced, is of virtually no value for our own needs and thus must be exported by BC Hydro at a crippling loss.
None of this adds up to an important public issue at election time?
The environmental questions raised by myself and much of the scientific community are so serious that only a media utterly derelict in their duty could fail to challenge them or give them full and fair coverage. In fact, on the day of the election the Vancouver Sun printed an op-ed piece extolling the virtues of private power by an executive of a private power producer!
The fundamental moral duty of journalism to inform the public was all but utterly overlooked by the mainstream media in this province, denying to the public the information they needed to make an informed election decision.
Related Tyee stories:
- It Hurts, and Here's Why
Fish farms won. Private river power won. STV is dead. - Furious Rebuke to Suzuki, Berman
Salmon advocate Alexandra Morton enraged at support for BC Libs. - BC's Clashing Shades of Green
How 'run of river' and global warming are splitting enviros this election.




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JollyRoger
3 years ago
Media bias and the urban/rural divide
I can't believe how much media bias there was... based on what stories were covered... or rather NOT. I can't believe how many people were so gullible.
Maybe people in the big cities would think differently if we had Run of River projects in their backyard. We laugh at New Yorkers who grow up not knowing where their food really comes from (other than a grocery store). But increasingly urbanites have lost touch with not only where their food comes from, but also how it gets there (trucks don't run on electricity!) They don't know what quarry the concrete in their condo came from, how much greenhouse gases were released by cement kilns, and what forests the lumber in their houses came from. They don't know where their sewage goes and how much of it isn't treated (eg. Annacis plant released raw untreated sewage on 8 separate days in 2006), yet will point the finger at boaters. They don't know where their garbage gets sent out to.
If people are thinking 100-mile diet for their food, they should also include everything else: power, water, energy, sewage, garbage, building materials. Then they'll realize just how much their eco-footprint has been stomping on rural BC who happened to vote predominantly against the Liberals (except for the oil/gas areas near Alberta).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bc09.PNG
Until there is a shift from tertiary information (eg. the big media) to firsthand information (eg. ordinary people out in the field), the public will be prone to misinformation and propaganda. I'm hoping the Internet will allow those firsthand stories to be told, to be read, and to be recorded when they're ignored.
Barryeng
3 years ago
Northern Run of the River
It gets worse. If you look at the map of proposed IPP projects north of Terrace, and then the map of the proposed "Northern Connector" extension of the B.C. Hydro power line from Terrace north to Bob Quinn Lake, There are striking similariries. It becomes obvious that B.C. Hydro (taxpayers like you and me), are going to have to pay for this hydro line, so that the IPPs have access to the north american power grid.
The claim that the power line is meant to enable thousands of new mining jobs strikes me as patently false. We will end up paying for something far more sinister.
Grumpy
3 years ago
The environmental community............
........is in shambles as Berman and Suzuki took their 30 pieces of silver.
We live in evil days as Campbell and his corporate whores will destroy this province.
The mainstream media are abetting this fiasco and should be judged "enemies of the state", the new Pravda of the Western world.
No one gives a damn except that they get their profit.
The real problem is that over 50% of the people saw this election as illegitimate and did not vote. Illegitimate governments are overthrown by revolution; the question is will the revolution be quiet or violent?
cboo44
3 years ago
Politics of Fear
Welcome to the politics of fear, Rafe. "Giveaway Gordo" just outmaneuvered you and his fear tactics were more effective than yours. B.C. is corporately controlled and they have "Giveaway Gordo" in their hip pocket. When it comes to influence, you are but a voice in the wilderness that will soon be "Private Property, No Trespassing".
Suzuki has been "outed" for what he always has been, a psuedo-environmentalist who is really all about the money. He supported Giveaway Gordo because his "foundation" has been BOUGHT with "government" contracts and in turn, "donated" to the Liberal campaign fund.
We(and you) are done like a dinner.
Hughes
3 years ago
Call it Democracy
See the paid-off local bottom feeders
Passing themselves off as leaders
Kiss the ladies shake hands with the fellows
Open for business like a cheap bordello
And they call it democracy...
Bruce Cockburn
I agree the mainstream media has proven itself incompetent and negligent by way of its lack of balanced reporting, but that’s to be expected – you don’t bite the hand that feeds you – right? Business is business despite the viscosity of the unctuousness.
That said, the MSM cannot be held entirely responsible for the environmental Armageddon British Columbians are facing under this regime – the NDP’s campaign team and strategists have proven themselves just as incompetent as the MSM – an utter disaster.
But what is truly horrifying in the aftermath of this election is that Campbell, the arrogant despot that he is, will continue with his slash ‘n’ burn campaign across the province claiming all the while that he has a mandate to govern as he sees fit, despite garnering support from only 22% of the eligible voting population.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. E. B. White
Not in BC!
ifsandsnbutts
3 years ago
The media...
was likely wherever the Liberals told them to be. I was, and still am, so angry at the mainstream media of BC. The ONLY places to find the truth were here at the Tyee, and bloggers sites!
I have cancelled my subscriptions to both BC newspapers permanently. It's pretty obvious that CanWest is charging us for their product, while doing the bidding of their bosses in government, both federal and provincial. They can all take a hike as far as I'm concerned. I wish the Tyee would print a paper version of their site - I would subscribe to that for life.
As for Berman and Suzuki - they need to remember that what goes around, comes around. One day their faces will be covered with egg...and their will be no explanation good enough to have true environmentalists forget what they said and did this election. My heart hurts for the scientists in this article - their frustration must be unbearable.
Skywalker
3 years ago
Agreed!
Forty-five percent of the 53.5 percent who voted think that the end justifies the means. They are quite happy to listen to CanWest because the result is just what they wanted. They will just claim the other 42 percent just don't know how to win elections and are whining. The truth will be sacrificed.
The whole thing is moronic. Truth is suppose to be the guiding light in society. Truth is suppose to set us free. People just don't realize how dangerously perverted our society has become.
southdeltawalker
3 years ago
They move faster than a river...
Say goodbye to everything you love about
B C.
This was issued on Thurs. May 14.
So called environmental assessment for the Bute Inlet project.
First step in it's destruction.
"To all Interested Parties:
Please find attached the News Release announcing the decision of the Minister of the Environment, the Honourable Jim Prentice, to refer the proposed Bute Inlet Hydroelectric project to a federal panel review. The Minister also issued the Panel Terms of Reference (http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/document-eng.cfm?documentID=34360) and approved the joint federal-provincial document entitled ''Guidelines for the Preparation of an Environmental Impact Statement'' (http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/document-eng.cfm?documentID=34359).
The next steps in the review process include:
Announcement of the availability of participant funding: May 2009
Appointment of panel members by Minister of the Environment: end of Summer 2009
Submission of the Environmental Impact Statement by the proponent: Fall 2009
All documents related to this environmental assessment can be viewed on the project public registry at the following link: http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/details-eng.cfm?cear_id=44825
If you have any questions on the federal environmental assessment process, please e-mail us at the following address:
Sincerely,
Marie-France Therrien
Panel Manager | Gestionnaire de commissions
Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency | Agence canadienne d'évaluation environnementale
160 Elgin St. Ottawa ON K1A 0H3 | 160, rue Elgin, Ottawa ON K1A 0H3
Telephone | Téléphone 1-866-582-1884
Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-957-0941
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada
P Do you really need to print this e-mail? Please think of the environment!|Avez-vous réellement besoin d'imprimer ce courriel? S.V.P. Pensons à l'environnement!
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Van Isle
3 years ago
The mass-media has been
The mass-media has been covering up for Campbell since he was mayor of Vancouver. The average voter doesn't give a tinkers damn for this province, all they care about is jingle in their pockets. As for a revolution I don't think it'll happen cuz the average Joe is so weak-kneed and to a certain degree, is ignorant on what our Governments have been/is doing behind our backs. I still maintain that Gordo's past will come to haunt him in the very near future and expect protests/demonstrations to follow, hopefully next February when the world's media is in town.
southdeltawalker
3 years ago
Plutonic power Re: Enviro Assessment
Press release from Plutonic Power:
"Plutonic Power Welcomes Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency Federal Panel Review Process for Proposed Bute Inlet Hydroelectric Project
VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA--(Marketwire - May 15, 2009) - Plutonic Power Corporation (TSX:PCC) has received notice that Canadian Environment Minister Jim Prentice has directed that an environmental assessment of the Bute Inlet Hydroelectric Project shall occur under a federal panel review process. The 1,027 megawatt non storage hydroelectric project is located in the headwaters of the Homathko, Southgate and Orford Rivers systems draining into Bute Inlet approximately 150 kilometers north of Powell River on the southwest coast of British Columbia.
"Undergoing a federal panel review provides Plutonic Power certainty of process for the Bute Inlet Hydroelectric Project, in addition to giving stakeholders a clear opportunity for input into Project design and mitigation plans," said Plutonic Power Corporation Vice-Chair and CEO, Donald McInnes. "We believe the comprehensive nature of the coordinated federal and provincial environmental assessment processes will result in a project that is designed to accommodate and mitigate impacts and concerns of the public, local communities, government agencies and stakeholder groups."
Various aspects of the Bute Inlet Hydroelectric Project infrastructure is located within the traditional territory of the Homalco Nation - including all generation sites and transmission, with additional transmission infrastructure in Klahoose, Sliammon and Sechelt First Nation territories. "We look forward to working with our First Nations Partners on this important aspect of the project review," added McInnes.
Plutonic Power's proposed Bute Inlet Hydroelectric Project is comprised of 17 non storage run-of-river sites on three river systems, with an approximate generation capacity of 1,027 megawatts that would create enough energy to meet the annual electricity needs of about 300,000 homes. Plutonic expects to make its initial application for an environmental assessment certificate early in 2010....."
Jeffrey J.
3 years ago
Ball in in Our Court
Thank you Rafe for a crisp, accurate summary of the deeply flawed BC political/economic system. You are 100% correct. So what should people do? That is the real issue.
First, it is important to realize that this is EXACTLY how democracy has been hijacked in most parts of North America and elsewhere in the world. BC isn't the first, and won't be the last. We all should read Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine to understand the system in place.
Secondly, change CAN occur. But it won't be delivered to us from the elites as a gift. Democratic rights and social justice have NEVER been granted from above, but earned through citizen organization and hard work. Just look to Bolivia, Venezuela, Haiti and many, many other locations where people have stood up to corrupt power.
Thirdly, in BC, unlike Haiti, we still have the right to protest, to assemble, to organize, to publish, to march, to seek change. Yes, it means turning off our TV and canceling the cable. Sitting in front of the boob tube has been an effective foil for citizen participation. It's the first place I'd start for those who want to become more involved. Without citizen mobilization, however, there will be no change. That's for sure.
carfreed
3 years ago
Berman and BC greens
I attended on SaltSpring Island, a talk by the 2 Warriors for our Rivers. Rafe, the elder, and Damien, the younger gave an excellent presentation. Talk, fims and responses were to the point.
Next I attended an excellent Rally in Nanaimo. A best ever.
Even tho, our excellent NDP candidate lost by a mere 395 votes to Murray Coell,the Greens still got their vote out for themselves rather than for the wild salmon and the rivers,and social programs.
What a serious let down to these people who worked 24/7 to get the info out.
Liberal MPs basically sat in comfy chairs at home,watching the news.
Berman and Suzuki should have been warning about how close this election would be and that the NDP would be more open and accessible than any Liberal caucus will ever be.
But, the NDP and Carole James should have maintained flexibility about the carbon tax.
Now we will have to get more poster paint.
Oh well, I guess the Enviro groups will get their funding to keep them employed.
KWD
3 years ago
democracy lost
The post-vote analysis, that claims voter apathy is somehow connected to a general satisfaction with the status quo, is extremely misleading.
It is claimed that those who prefer the status quo – and voted to avoid change, because they have the most to lose – comprised the bulk of those that voted.
However, although that logic may fit the observed outcome, it doesn’t explain why more than fifty percent of the eligible electorate – the financially less fortunate and less able to prosper under the status quo – shunned the polls.
Yes, the MSM and corporate world played a big part in “dumbing down” voters and keeping them away from the polls, but their failure to engage in debate and give equal time to both sides of the story is only part of a much larger problem.
If the MSM were being completely truthful, they would admit that the real reason behind the apathy is the fact that our political system is actually becoming less and less democratic. And they would also admit that the reason we have a problem with our democracy is incontestable: capitalism abhors democracy.
Because globalization has ensured that bottom-line thinking takes precedence over policies that favour the greater “good”, many so-called democratic systems have become Dollar Democracies, where one dollar equals one vote. So it’s understandable that so many – those that aren’t able to engage in and enjoy the benefits of the corporate good life – avoided voting; they’ve seen, all too clearly, that whether they participate or not, the existing system will not act in their best interest. So why vote?
Voter apathy in BC has little to do with differences in political platform, or the carbon tax, or how parties will deal with the global economic collapse. Over 50% of the electorate believe the present system has successfully disenfranchised those that most need a share of the wealth and a voice in how wealth is distributed.
BC Mary
3 years ago
It was no ordinary election, this was The Battle for B.C.
I felt pretty damn bad after the BC election. It wasn't simply an electoral loss, it was (like Rafe says) knowing we have lost Beautiful British Columbia. Well ... not quite yet. It ain't over til we the people say it's over.
Gradually I began to realize what a splendid fight the Progressives like Rafe, Alexandra Morton, bloggers like me, and so many others had put up. We fought 4 powerful, insidious, wealthy, nearly invisible "enemies". They were:
* the Green Party, which did for Gordo what Ralph Nader did for George W Bush,
* the Public Affairs Bureau which, with $31million a year of taxpayers' money, teaches us to love Gordo's Golden Era,
* Bill 42 which made it impossible for 5% of voters to cast their ballots,
* CanWest's appalling bias which Rafe Mair has explained so well in this article. I'll mention only one story which they didn't publish: the trial, verdict, and sentencing of the guy police were tracking when they raided the BC Legislature. Amazing, and very suspect.
Progressives fought all that and Gordo's Gang too. Didn't win but fought 'em to a standstill. I say that's a huge victory. I can well appreciate the depths of despair Rafe is feeling, but I gotta say: The progressives put up a great defence ... and that work must continue.
RossK
3 years ago
I Was A Aghast When...
...I heard Mr. Mair state, unequivocally on one of the morning CBC Radio One 'panels' where provincial election issues were being ostensibly 'discussed' that we wasn't allowed to actually discuss IPP.
Aghast, I tell you.
The CanWest media monopoly that, as Rafe has pointed out in the past, contributed $50,000 exclusively to the BC Liberal Party in the last election cycle is one thing...
But the CBC?
This is truly outrageous, especially given that the reason I am willing to support the CBC with my tax dollars is because it is supposed to provide us with a full range of points of view that are in no way beholden to the special interests of commercial media outlet owners and/or their advertisers.
_____
And BC Mary above makes a great point....despite the deck being stacked against us, we still came close...more independet media with the growth of outlets like The Tyee and Public Eye, and an active bloggosphere that really pushes from the bottom (and raises money) could make the difference next time.
Yammer
3 years ago
The "Media" did not nominate Carole James
But by all means, let us keep dancing around this issue.
James is apparently pondering her future leadership. Why??? It is not as though anything about her screamed viable premier of BC.
It annoys me that as soft a target as Gordo gets through election after election. Instead of blaming the media or the Greens, why don't we blame ourselves for not getting a messenger who can actually carry a progressive message?
The NDP ran a shocking campaign. They are utterly disorganized and deserved to lose. The TV ad showing Gordo with fruity classical music, declaring him to be a friend of the fruity classical music lovers, and not the solid, manly, gas-tax-and classical-music-hating reg'lar folk, is the new standard of self-eviscerating ad campaigns. Way to diss the intellectual class that is, frankly, the core NDP supporter, NOT the average "working family" dude, who still actually aspires to being one of the rich and therefore is inherently drawn to the pro-business party.
Ah who cares, she was just keeping the seat warm for Gregor.
But if lessons are not learned...
seth
3 years ago
Palmer on Jon Stewart - The future
All of you who watched Wall Street media celeb Jim Cramer getting a butt kicking from Jon Steward over his shilling for Wall Street Pirates, can envision Palmer and his Canwest sidekicks getting the same beating from some new media star after our power rates double and triple to pay for our power purchases from Cramer's Wall Street Pirates and a lot of our industry has migrated south to enjoy cheap nuclear and solar power.
Remember when BC Ferries was deciding to buy foreign ferries for a few hundred million, Palmer wearing his industrial/marine engineers hat, had the cost of building ferries in BC detailed out almost to the last roll of toilet paper. Curiously with numbers in the 60 billion region (37 firm + 23 non firm) for probable committed power purchases Palmer's power engineering hat is still gathering dust in his closet.
What I don't understand is why the Tyee's Will McMartin who is so good at this type of analysis has so far not gone there. It would be easy for him to show the BCLiberals on this issue to be the most incompetent financial managers in Canadian history.
http://publicpowerissues.blogspot.com/2009/05/pirate-power-ripoff.html
Have a look at the blog comments above for my battle with pirate power's THE DONALD
and also at Scott Simpson's blog at the Sun
http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/energy/default.aspx
For my back and forth with Scott and an IPP shill on the issue.
Publicpowerissues makes the case that because the current spot price and new tech solar and nuclear options are so coming in so cheap - down to 1 cent a kwh near term - that potentially that almost all the taxpayer's billions will be lost.
Imagine if Microsoft's Paul Allen's investment in pulse fusion pays off . Ten years from now Americans might be building gas station size fusion plants generating baseload power at tiny fraction's of a cent a kwh while Gordon Campbell has us committed to 35 more years of 12 cents a kwh of unreliable summertime flows that even we can't use and certainly won't be able to sell.
Given the uncertainty in future costs would it not be much more prudent for BCHydro to build run of the river and dam projects five or ten years down the line when the recession ends, power needs increase, and nuclear/solar costs firm up?
Westinghouse is just beginning construction of four gigawatt class generation 3.5 nukes that is sold for China for $5 billion. Had BCHydro bought the plants instead of China they could have been located on the Burrard thermal site, generating almost 40000 gigawatthours annually of prime baseload power with no emissions whatsoever at 2 cents a kwh, no transmission costs, and no destroyed or flooded rivers and land. Compare that to Plutonic's Bute which will cost taxpayers $16 billion generating 3000 gigawatts hour of power of unreliable early summer power and up to 45,000 hectares of land.
gaulois
3 years ago
And then Judge gets reassigned/promoted
The lamest coverage was provided on this BC railgate event this past week-end courtesy of CanWest. Not sure if CBC bothered covering yet.
I was hoping that my observation puts Rafe's story in perspective...
gaulois
3 years ago
Judge Bennett
ooopsie...
seth
3 years ago
Stop the Greens - Here's how
I agree with Yammer that the level of competence the NDP has shown by picking Carol James in the first place and running one of the stupidest election campaigns in decades, requires a massive purging.
The party never really addressed the massive already committed and soon to be committed post election Pirate power losses to taxpayers. Two billion a year or eight fast ferry fiascos annually for the next forty years. Yet they let Campbell claim the best economic manager prize by forfeit.
In speaking with my non political working class buddies, they refused to vote for James with names for her like shrill, just can't stand her, harpy, witch, bitch, ugly and ball breaker.
Given the utter idiocy of those comments, sadly the NDP must realize that it is impossible to get working class male or female voters to get out and vote for a woman unless she is a spokesmodel Sarah Palin type babe. George Bush was elected and reelected by working class types, who were the major recipients of the Bush crime family shaft.
Another issue that must be dealt with is the defanging of the Green party. I suggest all greenish sort of progressives join the Green Party en mass and at the next convention vote for a resolution and leadership to end the party's participation in elections.
A duplicate effort on the federal side is also urgent as we must try to stop the well meaning fools who somehow control the federal party before an imminent federal election
Chris Bouris
3 years ago
The means and the ends achieved
A strident and shrill style can desensitize as effectively and completely as any mainstream media. The reek of an authoritative or pedantic voice - and particularly a disrespectful one towards a named "villain" annoys all - except a like minded-choir.
Vilification and fear are the means of repression, thus how can one call oneself and actually be “progressive” - and expect to be effective - if employing the same means?
The only change comes of inspiration, and only then can the majority of others easily and willingly rally to it. Look south.
VivianLea Doubt
3 years ago
blogosphere pushes from the bottom?
Some points I’d like to make [again] here: Stats Canada on the “Digital Divide” –“the lowest income groups continue to lose ground vis-a-vis the high income groups" – referring to access to internet connections. And from Elections Canada (2002 report): “higher income is associated with higher voting frequency”. When we talk about the internet mobilizing the troops, then, we should be clear it is the middle income and above, by and large, that we are talking about. While I don’t want to discourage the ‘blogosphere’, they don’t reach to the ‘bottom’.
As Rafe has very capably pointed out, neither can we rely on the mass media to get our ‘message’ out, and that brings us to an obvious conclusion: it will be the hard and endless work of talking to people and making personal connections that stands to broaden a ‘progressive’ constituency across the province.
Another quote from the Elections Canada report reads: “To the extent people are declining the opportunities to vote in Canada, they are also demonstrating a lowered commitment to the Canadian community.” Now Robert Putnam has written about this decline in ‘social capital’ in the US (I forget the name of the Canadian sociologist and his research here); it is certainly well-documented – it seems to me that the only way to reverse the trend is to build social capital. I’d say that means the old cliché of grassroots organizing. The “democracy deficit” is real and growing as KWD points out. If progressives truly want to remedy this, we must start by talking to people who don’t vote, because clearly we are not speaking in their voice.
As a kind of postscript, in my small apartment building two of us out of twenty or so that live here voted. Coincidentally, only two of us have internet connections.
Wilfred Laurier
3 years ago
Rafe....
So, Rafe, why has the mainstream media turned away from you? Why are you now only published on the Tyee? Could it, perhaps, be anything to do with your "journalism" and where it has gone the last couple of years. You are using the media to shill for a cause and that is not what journalism is. Sure, as long as you work cheap and shill for the NDP the Tyee will keep publishing your stuff. But other outlets won't have anything to do with you.
I heard you in CBC in election night. I don't think you will get another invite.
Rafe, you are at the end of the line. The voters in BC are used to socialist shilling. We've heard it all before so when you attach yourself to their wagon, the majority of media outlets and voters don't listen to you anymore.
Time to retire gracefully, Rafe, I don't want you to become another Gorde Hunter.
Wilfred Laurier
3 years ago
Nonsense
"That this power, because most of it can only be produced when the spring runoff occurs, is of almost no use domestically and must be exported"
Rafe, this statement is nonsense. The power generated but RoR is MORE in spring. If there is flow, there is generation.It allows dams to be filled and then the power from the dams sold to the USA in the summer. This is the kind of stuff that pays for education and health. What in God's name is wrong with exporting power to the USA and what could possibly be wrong with the carbon credits they will generate under cap and trade? Utter bollocks! We all need to eat, Rafe. No wonder the NDP is seen as hopeless in managing an economy!
When I see misinformation like this, is it any wonder the Liberals won?
North of Hope
3 years ago
"land pimp"
cboo44 called Campbell "Giveaway Gordo." I recently came across an article that called Campbell "land pimp," which I mentioned earlier on this site. This term has a resonance that for me that captures Campbell's "modus operandi."
Kam Lee
3 years ago
gordo
Well the election wasn't lost, it was stolen. The local rags, who do not give us news, but spreads the lies about a drunk, druggie, womanizer, lier, as well as a thief. I have been working against the local rags for nine months now. I have been asking friends, relatives,fellow workers, etc to give up their papers. I can't call the "news" papers, because they are not. So far, I have over 140 canceled subscriptions to the sun / province. They seem to be the spearhead for the lieberals power. I will continue, and respectfully ask others to take the lead, and lets get his propaganda machine knocked down to their knees. Its hard work,but well worth it. Lets work harder to bring gordo down, before he sells the entire province. By the way NW, the big smell is next on my hit list. Keep up the good work Rafe.
Amor de Cosmos
3 years ago
environmental split
In my view,the split in the environmental movement, the low voter turn-out, and the close losses in so many key constituencies are all related.
I also feel that the primary responsibility for the above rests with the current, ahem, leadership of the NDP. This would include James/Farnworth/Dix/BC Fed/Tieleman etc.
Given the failure of STV, I also agree with those above who feel that a major internal change (if not a purge) has to occur within the NDP. Control of the party has to be taken over by a new generation of members and leadership that doesn't buy into the doctrinaire and morally ambiguous approach to politics and society represented by the current bunch.
Left versus right is dead. "Sound-bite" politics is dead. Green versus brown is dead. Union versus non-union is dead. Rural as manipulatable is dead. Power as a legitimate end in itself is dead.
Democracy, by its nature, must be participatory if its gonna work. Enough b*llsh*t already.
biscotti
3 years ago
Who wants to stake a claim?
...for a small, guerrilla style, faux private power project on a creek, say, in Burnaby?
Set up a tiny toy turbine, make an application for an assessment, have a Board of Directors with creative noms de plumes and get the story in the urban MSM's face. Time for some creative, non-violent direct action on this issue.
Lots of excellent comments on this thread.
btw I seem to recall that PM Laurier campaigned FOR reciprocity (aka "Free" Trade a la NAFTA) with the US and lost to Borden. So if his "ghost" thinks Rafe is "at the end of the line", maybe that's a compliment ;-)
For my part, I was very happy to have had the chance to hear you, Rafe, in PG. Thanks for all your work on this. It's by no means over.
VivianLea Doubt
3 years ago
agree/disagree
"Left versus right is dead. "Sound-bite" politics is dead. Green versus brown is dead. Union versus non-union is dead. Rural as manipulatable is dead. Power as a legitimate end in itself is dead."
This is the part I can agree with, Amor de Cosmos. As to the "primary responsibility" for all the problems of the world resting with the current leadership of the NDP, well, let's get a grip, shall we? Voter turnout has, albeit slowly, been declining since the 2nd World War. The split in the environmental movement was orchestrated by a few high profile pseudo-environmentalists for reasons of their own...And the close outcomes in many ridings very likely reflect the low voter turnout.
Yeah, enough bulls**t, already...and enough personal attacks on anybody. We must all do what we can, what we are capable of in whatever fashion we are able, and stop blaming/hating/messaging ad infinitum.
Wilfred Laurier
3 years ago
Blame Game.....
"Well the election wasn't lost, it was stolen."
Blame everybody but yourself. It's easier than taking responsibility for your mistakes.
"We must all do what we can, what we are capable of in whatever fashion we are able, and stop blaming/hating/messaging ad infinitum."
Well said. It isn't called the "loony left" for no reason.
Van Isle
3 years ago
I hear you Kam Lee, from now
I hear you Kam Lee, from now on I'm going to try to boycot all CKNW advertisers. (It's kinda hard to boycot BC Hydro) As far as the Province and Sun newspapers, I haven't read them in years.
VivianLea Doubt
3 years ago
hate messaging
"It isn't called the "loony left" for no reason."
I'll back my credentials against yours anytime, dear one.
VivianLea Doubt
3 years ago
biscotti
I like that idea.
Roisin Dubh
3 years ago
Media Bias
A Chilliwack:John Les, Liberal candidate,now re - elected, placed an advertisement in the two local papers "The Chilliwack Times"(CanWest) and "Chilliwack Progress"(Black Press) on May 1.This ad used the logo of the University of the Fraser Valley and material realating to UFV to suggest most strongly that that institution had endorsed him.I know that a publicly funded institution can "endorse"neither candidate nor party.I phoned office of president of UFV to enquire if somehow UFV had indeed "endorsed"Les. NO, they had not and on May 4 had sent a letter to both editors as denial ; however neither paper printed that letter.The Times did print a letter from a private person, who obviously had inside knowledge and took exception to the ad.I then wrote a "letter the editor" of both papers,maintaining that suppression of the official denial was wrong and showed bias towards Les. Only the Times replied, saying that the letter from the private person explained the situation and CHASTISED LES FOR HIS DISHONESTY!The official UFV letter was never intended for publication but merely for the private instruction of the editors of both papers!If this does not display bis and intellectual dishonesty I am a hottentot!
seth
3 years ago
Wilfred's School of Neocon Economics
or Buy High Sell Low
Wilf tells us that that Pirate power allows dams to be filled and then the power from the dams sold to the USA in the summer
By way of contradiction this from BC Hydro's 2008 annual report "....By the second quarter,however, persistent high inflows into the large basins resulted in high volumes of energy sales to avoid the need to spill."
BCHydro too gets 60% of its flow during the freshet. Early summer power consumption is very low so BC Hydro quickly fills its' dams and is exporting like crazy during the freshet. All pirate power during this time period would have to be exported.
BCHydro will be buying the bulk of its pirate power at rates between 9.5 and 12 cents a kwh in 40 year contracts. The current spot price is around 2.5 cents a kwh and solar and nuclear power developments show that price holding over the near to mid term then dropping precipitously in the long term.
Yes, we all need to eat and unfortunately Gordo is seeing to it that we don't. No wonder the NDP is seen as hopeless in managing an economy by Neocons who think buying at 12 cents a kwh and selling at 2 cents is a good deal.
wiley
3 years ago
self-defeatism?
Hey Rafe, what's this self-defeatism about a "massive Campbell win, ratifying his plans to ravage our seas and rivers?"
Looks to me like the NDP pretty much won all the coast ridings where tarsands pipeline ports, festering fish farms and mega-RoR plans are located, so the Liberators haven't won much at all.
Let's hear it for socialism and solidarity! We'll still be here when the capitalists fall on their swords after losing the limelite of the Olympix.
Just because our pathetic, undemocratic and moribund electoral system still gives a weak minority govt. dictatorial powers, it doesn't give these kleptomaniac bastards the social license to keep ripping us off.
Kam Lee
3 years ago
Blame everybody but yourself.
How dare you wilfie! It was stolen. You don't know me at all. I worked for my local candidate, I phoned, I walked, I talked. Your answer is to, "Let it be", "Right is might" Righties like Hitler, G Khan, Napoleon, gordo, all criminals. The sad truth is that the papers, the radios, the TV bobble- heads were told, get him in. Don't worry about the forests, the water, the air. As that asshole from the Fraser institute said, "Everything should have a price on it". "Everything". Remember that wilfie, when you can't get a hospital bed, or the
water is soiled from exploitation. I have a list of most of the advertisers on NW, they are my target.. Get to the top by chipping away at the bottom. They hate confrontation. As well as lost income.
Skywalker
3 years ago
If Wilfie had lost because...
...the media was a left wing organ, he'd be singing a different tune. Goebels was considered a great guy if you were a Nazi. All the rest were just sore losers and playing the blame game. If you are on the winning side, the end justifies the means. There are still people who believe Pinochet was a great leader. There are still about 45 % of 53 % along with the corporate media who think Gordon is just fine. For Wilf Laurier that is all that counts.
edward01ca
3 years ago
Media Bias In Election
I presume that everyone knows that both CTV and the Canwest Global are both neoconservative and hence support Gordon Campbell and Stephen Harper in everything they do. As a person who is intrigued by conspiracy theories, how about this one: The permanent election date was set to be in the middle of the hockey playoffs guaranteeing that the CBC would present a very poor coverage of the election because of hockey game committments. This would leave all media coverage to supports of the neocons. Think about it.
lynn
3 years ago
Thanks
Great post, Kam Lee....I believe in boycotts as well....because they work.
Rafe,
Thanks for all your hard work on behalf of the wild salmon and rivers.
You made a real difference by turning up, body and soul, to rally support for the above in so many towns across BC. It is much appreciated.
As Wiley reveals, the coast ridings and Vancouver Island pretty much rejected the BC Liberals, despite the mainstream media's relentless cheerleading of the Campbell forces and despite, as you aptly note, their shameful negligence of their "moral duty" as journalists "to inform the public".
We forge on.
Thanks again.
seth
3 years ago
Kim Lee - list of advertisers
Send it along we'd all like to see it. Jim Sinclair from the BC Fed could maybe get out a warm edict asking members to not buy from these odious organizations.
And those of you who still watch the TV Canwest Global is off your channel list, as well as the Province and Sun newspapers.
dave49
3 years ago
Question, then answer.... ...?
Rafe,
Thank you for all your efforts on behalf of what you think is right. You are a fine citizen.
As for "Where Was the Media?", perhaps it is time to accept that your tactics don't work any more. You're being shunned and will continue to be shunned. Time to re-boot or perhaps retire.
Martin Campbell
3 years ago
Where I get my news.
If anyone cares...
I don't read the newspapers unless I'm stuck somewhere waiting - then I try to do the puzzles. I grew up on the Globe and Mail, and will read that over most if I have an option. That media monopolies that have been allowed to flourish caused me to back away from print and broadcast news.
I simply DO.NOT.BELIEVE. what is put out by the mass media. I can't read or view their information without questioning everything. Frankly it becomes tiresome and predictable - one sided viewpoints, half a story, skewed facts etc. Not to mention the advertising!!!
I get my news from talking with others, doing my own research, the internet and asking questions. Same thing with the last 'election'. I read the literature, spoke to the candidates and formed my own opinion. Mind you the liberal candidates office wasn't accessible to people with disabilities so I'll never know what he had to say aside from a big FU to the disabled.
Can anyone nominate a reporter or broadcaster that is respected, unbiased and trusted? I can't. I'd love to hear some names!
the bon
3 years ago
Democracy is gone in BC
The government controls the press, and it seems the courts as well(Basi/Virk - obstruction of justice??) Democracy has been highjacked and no one cares. When I saw the media put the "family man" Campbell and his wife on TV for their "Mothers Day" meal and then showed them voting like they are one big, happy family, with everyone knowing about Gord and Lara- they were showing a LIE and passing it off as truth (I personally don't care about private lives, but they RUINED Gordon Wilson & Judi Tyabji's careers and the hypocracy of the media makes me want to throw up) that is when I realized how far the media will go - they will outright lie for their objective. We are supposed to have a free press, but it is only as free as the big bosses will let it be. I belive the PAB is working in partnership with the MSM so this drivel they are printing is (I will bet) being paid with our tax dollars!! Palmer, Smyth, etal, they are only puppets, not journalists, but unfortunately they have much influence with people. I think this is sooo dangerous I cannot believe most people can't see it. Can this be considered a crime, for the media to (IMO) elect a premier??
Martin Campbell
3 years ago
The media won't listen
I heard this from the NDP. I asked them about their low FOI request numbers and why I never heard about them (and why their web site was so low on data and facts). I swear to god the response from the head campaign manager was a shrug and 'well what can we do if they don't publish our stories'?
The NDP gets a massive FAIL in communications.
And why worry so much about the media? They have almost no credibility anymore. You want them to pay attention - get the news out in other ways.
At no time during any of the elections in the last 8 years has a candidate knocked on my door, stood outside on the street ... NOTHING! They have been invisible. That's one main reason why I've started going to them (with the exception of the Liberals due to their offices not being physically accessible). Even a priest/minister type was outside a church recently with two chairs and a card table with a sign 'the pastor is in'. Too bad our candidates aren't as personable.
Voter apathy starts with candidate apathy.
lynn
3 years ago
Strange logic
dave 49,
Rafe may have been shunned by the co-opted media but not by those who count.
And when the final votes were counted on the coast and Vancouver Island, it was the BC Liberals who were shunned.
I think you reached the wrong conclusion.
My logic, quirky as it is, tells me it's the negligent mainstream media that should "re-boot or retire". And that's putting it nicely.
We'll keep Rafe, thank you very much.
And our wild salmon and wild rivers, too.
dorothy
3 years ago
There's an idea!
"Until there is a shift from tertiary information (eg. the big media) to firsthand information (eg. ordinary people out in the field), the public will be prone to misinformation and propaganda. I'm hoping the Internet will allow those firsthand stories to be told, to be read, and to be recorded when they're ignored."
How about prevailing on those TEACHERS who so like to present themselves as progressive and all about sustainability and social righteousness, to take their disciples out into the places where it all happens, where the rubber meets the road and the shovel meets the dirt, so the next generation will not be so woefully devoid of that vital understanding?
Worrywart
3 years ago
Thank you
Thanks Raif, you work hard and it is greatly appreciated.
Moonbug
3 years ago
Carole did a spectacular job yammer
Anyone who calls for the resignation of the leader of the BCNDP is calling for yet another electoral failure in 2013.
Which leads me to suspect they are not NDP supporters and have no business dictating who those of us who support the ndp with our life our love and our blood have as our leader.
Fish-counter
3 years ago
So BC politics is totally screwed up.....
What is new?
About 50% of the electorate voted. We got a Teflon premier who is as fake as a three-dollar bill. It is business-as-usual. The crime spree will continue. The environment was put on the back burner.
Is there anywhere on earth where the environment is actually a priority? If there is, I would like to go there. I emigrated to Canada in 1974 and I would like to go back there but the place doesn't exist. They trashed it.
Fish-counter
3 years ago
So BC politics is totally screwed up.....
What is new?
About 50% of the electorate voted. We got a Teflon premier who is as fake as a three-dollar bill. It is business-as-usual. The crime spree will continue. The environment was put on the back burner.
Is there anywhere on earth where the environment is actually a priority? If there is, I would like to go there. I emigrated to Canada in 1974 and I would like to go back there but the place doesn't exist. They trashed it.
Gidget
3 years ago
Is Rafe mentally well?
"Yet, to offer one example of the frustrations I faced as I travelled around the province speaking on this issue, I was consistently denied the opportunity to appear on the Fanny Kiefer Show on Shaw Cable.
I began to wonder if this was because Shaw Cable is the major shareholder of Corus Entertainment, the owners of CKNW, who fired me in 2003 and have airbrushed me from their history and to this date deny me access to the 20th and 21st floor of the TD building."
So, Rafe, this whole escapade is nothing but about you, isn't it?
I think that you've become less stable since you got let go by Corus a few years ago. It's nothing more than sweet revenge that you've got against Corus, isn't it.
I feel really sorry for you; you once had a brilliant mind. But, since you railed against the Charlottetown Accord back in 1992, you lost my support.
When you started supporting the Greens a few years back, I thought that you became unstable; but the NDP, a party that you helped defeat back in 1975! How dare you sell out.
Do you not think, in my humble opinion, that you should retire and let someone fresh and exciting take over the job? Paranoia isn't helping.
The fact that free enterprise, and not socialist hordes, won the May 2009 election would make WAC Bennett extremely proud of BC. Your treasonous acts would make him deeply ashamed of you.
Your former boss, William Richards "Bill" Bennett proudly supported Mr. Campbell's reelection.
Fess up Rafe, the free enterprise coalition won in 2009, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Stop your fear mongering. The worst that will happen, is that BC Hydro get privatized and broken up, and our electric bills would receive a slight increase.
...Oh yes, fish farms are a federal responsibility, not provincial. As s former member of the Executive Council, you should have known that.
I wish you all the best Rafe, and hope that you consider retiring, and getting help for your paranoia. It's much the same way that the average commie felt in the United States in the early 1950s.
As of me, I am damn proud of the BC Liberals, and I am very proud of our slogan, "THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH".
Greenies and commies hate that slogan, as they are not loyal to this province to begin with. They are opposed to pride in BC, the environment, and the overall well being of our economic peace and prosperity for the next decade and beyond.
shotspur
3 years ago
BC electorate
Joe lunch box was bought off by the carbon tax, which eased his conscience and allowed him to vote for jobs, jobs, jobs (at any cost) Campbell. James fell for it and dutifully opposed, as Campbell hoped she might, the carbon tax, helping to alienate her own base. Jesus, all so obvious. But it worked!
I've had it with BC's environmental movement, BC politics, and BC voters. From this point on, I don't give a shit what happens. Imagine the worst, and its bound to come to pass.
Now out of my way! I'm going out to buy a gas guzzler and some farmed salmon.
Garry Eaton
TYRONE
3 years ago
YOU CALL THIS FARCE AN ELECTION???
Thank you, Rafe, for your valiant efforts to make a difference and you certainly have, as far as I was concerned! All the things you have said made a whole lot of sense to me, and while I was not happy with the NDP in the past, I did support you by voting for them.
I was really saddened by the NDP's actions. It is said, that there are two ways to have the tallest building in town- one is, to tear all the other taller ones down. The NDP fell into this trap for the 'umpteenth' time by stooping lower than a snakes belly and 'featuring' the illustrious Gordo in their campaign ads.
If only they had listened to you, Rafe, and run some really poignant ads like:
LOOK HERE FOLKS, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO YOUR PROVINCE WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!!
Now THAT would be a novel concept, nes pas?
spvarga29
3 years ago
Self-serving
Oh, Rafe, your time has come . . . and it has gone. With all due respect to a long an illustrious career, I sincerely hope this was your last kick at trying to prove yourself a political force in this province. As for your rantings (and subsequent posts) about the media, well, it just sounds like a conspiracy theory and we all know how real those tend not to be.
Good luck in your future endeavours. I hope your next venture succeeds and if it doesn't you don't blame everyone else for what went wrong.
switek
3 years ago
I don’t mean to sound
I don’t mean to sound disrespectful but I agree that it may be time for Rafe Mair to move on. I attended one of Mr. Mair “Save Our River” presentations and thought it was well done. I left angry and promptly marched down to my MLA office the very next day.
Suffice to say I quickly discovered and much to my own personal embarrassment that many of the things that Mr. Mair had told us were either untrue or were grossly misrepresented by Mr Mair.
I still disagree with these projects but I also disagree with the dishonest tactics used by Mr.Mair to express his own views. Clearly a former politician can be every bit as rhetorical as a current one, maybe even worse.
I think it is time for a new person to take over the role of Mr. Mair; one who will make a presentation with greater integrity and less ranting rhetoric.
seth
3 years ago
switek and gidget - Oh do tell
You mean your Liberal MLA contradicted Rafe?
And a slight increase in power bill's when BCHydro's purchase cost triples?
Please enlighten us with the truth/sources!!!!
Otherwise you are just more Neocon hacks spewing noxious gas.
alpenglowpro
3 years ago
Old Media
Fewer journalists are working for old media now.
Change is slowly happening.
New forums are being created.
Sadly in smaller towns smaller newspapers editorial comment is often stifled re: comment on offensive to Alcan in Prince Rupert.
BC is a special .. world special lets continue to inform the masses alpenglowpro.wordpress.com
G West
3 years ago
Moderators
Could I suggest you have a look at Gidget's posts?
Seems to me they contain serial violations of the Tyee's code of conduct.
If one can't criticize an author without suggesting they're insane the maybe that poster deserves to take an extended holiday.
I've been blocked for a handful of days for suggesting that there might be something a little "off" relative to the size of the pay packet of a virtually invisible member of the Premier's staff - yet gidget is permitted to keep casting aspersions at one of your regular columnists without even a minor edit.
How come?
BrianWhite
3 years ago
Run of river and carbon tax
I voted for the greens. All I wanted from the ndp was agreement to the carbon tax (until they impliment their cap and trade) and that they would bring in stv if it got a majority.
Bringing in stv if it got a majority is the correct thing to do in a democracy and the carbon tax is the only measure to slow down carbon use that we currently have.
Carole james KNEW that she would get major opposition from environmentalists when she did axe the tax. She chose to lose.
It would have shown integrity if she had said stv if it gets 50% and she would have got quite a few of the green votes. (And I suspect some of the ndp and liberals who stayed away might have voted too). Integrity counts and there is a huge deficit on both sides.
Rafe does know that environmental groups can lose their charity status if they endorse a political party? They asked James to reconcider axe the tax.
She didnt and killed her chances.
Brian
G West
3 years ago
Brian
Guess you missed Paul Krugman yesterday:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=3
Russ Searle
3 years ago
co-opted media
Freedom of speech in Canada is closely related to, although is not identical to, journalistic freedom. If anyone wants to know the real state of journalistic freedom in Canada they should read Marc Edge’s book, Asper Nation. It’s also a good idea, though not essential, to read Peter Newman’s biography of Izzy Asper first. It provides a sense of perspective about the Asper family and their business dealings.
Freedom of expression is the most important freedom of all because it makes all other freedoms possible; without it, all others are in jeopardy. Given this importance, we are all responsible for ensuring that freedom of speech remains a cornerstone of our society.
When one prints a letter to the editor in any newspaper, the paper requires a name. The reason for this is to hold the person who wrote the letter responsible for its contents. This is a good thing since it negates senseless rants and holds misinformation up to the light of public ridicule. Unfortunately, internet journals/e-zines such as the Tyee don’t have this requirement. Some people, such as Rafe, use their own names, and I laud them for it, but too many do not. This results in the general public judging much of the information accessible on the internet with scepticism. Since the major media is closed to all but conservative pundits in B.C., what is needed is an internet site with journalistic integrity.
Unless we hold ourselves responsible for what we say, we can hardly expect the same of our governments (although they are supposed to be held to a higher standard). As usual, it is the public which must lead the way, not the politicians with their next-election-horizons.
Russ
DavidN
3 years ago
media
OMIGOD
I haven't heard this much whining since James last speech. In fact now instead of focusing on what a blunder it was, that a party so vulnerable as the liberals couldn't be defeated, the NDP faithful blame the media, blame "Gordo" and his "whores" and "thugs". The lingo is brutal and low grade, like the NDP campaign.
Blame James and the NDP party for being so uncompelling that people chose to avoid the booth rather than vote. She was AWFUL.
HUGE issues that people care about were completely ignored by JAMES and the NDP, all she did was talk about Campbell who just played the trap and sat back, avoided contentious issues and won. Simple. Easy, when your competition is bankrupt of intelligence.
But when this is fact the readers choose to say 1/2 of BC voters are illiterate $%%#%$#s? Look within for fault, what a huge blunder. If this government is going to destroy the province as 1/2 the writers here claim, then look to James' for being incapable of anything but backstabbing. Be angry, but focus it.
If the readers will direct their anger toward the NDP planning commitee or whomsoever came up with this low grade attack strategy maybe they can save the world next time around. But are they any better? Actually, with the NDP swing to the Right and the Libs swing to the Left I am having trouble telling them apart. James got her butt kicked when she should have won, then the unions...who need BIG BUSINESS to survive, could have had another turn raping the environment.
refedmel
3 years ago
where is the press? Answer; exactly where they always are!
"I began to wonder if this was because Shaw Cable is the major shareholder of Corus Entertainment, the owners of CKNW, who fired me in 2003 and have airbrushed me from their history and to this date deny me access to the 20th and 21st floor of the TD building."
DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL RAFE....those media you mention in this article are all in bed with the status quo....your biggest mistake was playing footsy with the status quo NDP thus "shooting yourself in the foot".....if you want change, you should have supported the likes of The BC Refederation Party .....real change,real guarantees to return the Province back to the people.
freebear
3 years ago
Whay another Photo of the Self Absorbed Berman Rafe?
Why promote the self absorbed Berman with a photo 9again Tyee?)?
Hasn't anyone have a picture of her gassing up a Hummer or clubbing a baby seal?
touchwood
3 years ago
Tzepzuki IPP booster hit team
The Tzepzuki drive by boosting of the BC Liberals relied on strategic funding from US interests positioned to benefit enormously from processes begun with the IPP's.
The collapsing value of US mortgage default swaps demands replacement with more credible mortgageable assets and the BC Liberals have offered BC Hydro and our remaining hydro potential to inject new value into the fake asset base underwriting current US control of the global economy.
Bailing out the US economy will require leveraged securitization of BC public assets and hydro resource infrastructure. Enroneous creative accounting can take the book value of our privatized public assets from the hundreds of billions to support new and old debt in the trillions.
These new public asset based mortgages will provide expansion headroom allowing financial crash stranded equity capital to be replaced with debt throughout the disintegrating US financial system.
The Tzepzuki spin & hit team ask no questions, they just do what their handlers tell them. They are manufactured celebrities used to manipulate messaging ostensibly from environmentalism but they have shamelessly exposed themselves as PR fakes in the employ of neocon tacticians.
Almost all of the "environmentalism" with regular access to the BC mainstream media is now fake environmentalism. There is an honest environmental movement but it was buried during the last 15 years under tons of astroturf courtesy of US foundations whose imperial neoconization and framework for globalized economic growth provides legitimacy only for environmentalism that does not hinder economic expansion and monetization of resources and the environment.
Tzepzuki as a PR driven salient has provided critical support for IPP controlled government in BC whether that government is the current BC Liberals or the future result of Hollyhock led Renewal in the NDP.
If you think the current NDP is principled but stupid, we need to discuss the factors positioning to fund a privatization friendly, pragmatic and unprincipled DNC like marketing program for the new NDP.
Michael\\
southdeltawalker
3 years ago
I agree Freebear
No more photos of Berman or Suzuki either. Their smugness is just too much.
They are publicity hounds and The Tyee, no matter the context, is just promoting them by continuing to feature their photos.
Also the comment heading by "Gidget" questioning Rafe's mental health is a personal slur is it not?
WEASER
3 years ago
don't give up
We can't afford to give up because Gordo got back in. There is too high a price to pay. Most people I talk with haven't the foggiest idea what run of the rivers is all about. We have to get the word out more and make enough noise that the canwest cannot ignore us. Many people thought it was just another election issue. People tend to pay more attention when they know they are going to be hit in the pocketbook. Raif should not stop touring the province and communities can have information drives and province wide protests.
freebear
3 years ago
'Free Press' with a greasy palm!
"Where Was the Media?"
Too busy thinking of questions to ask the downtown prostitutes after their media training!
Gidget
3 years ago
G West
I didn't mean to startle you with a comment regarding one of your patron saints.
I didn't know that Rafe Mair was beyond criticism.
He is on record as having a very serious mental depression problem. I remember him having a few shows regarding that subject back on Top Dog Radio years ago.
Couple that, with the rambling that he and his Rivers colleagues are doing, and you wonder why I question his health and well being?
Those of the left will continue to find someone, other than themselves, to blame.
BC Liberals brought in a carbon tax, knowing full well that it would badly divide the left and the environmental movement. They succeeded beyond belief.
Now, we just need to keep the left just as divided, and we BC Liberals can continue to govern this province in the god Given mandate that is ours for the taking.
BC never has been, and never will be, a socialist province. The NDP only won two elections outright (1972 & 1991), and one by total accident (1996). Rafe's apostasy and betrayal of his free enterprise background and Christian beliefs are what is very troubling.
Hence, my concerns for a man who once had such a forceful and brilliant mind. I wish that he would clue in to the fact that he is about 77 years of age, and it is time to let some one else take over where he has left off.
We only have to look at how poor Allan Fotheringham became towards his end. I don't want to see that happen to Rafe. As a fact, I am clearly ashamed of the NDP and the rabid Rivers movement, anti-fish farm lobby for using a tired and confused septuagenarian in its efforts. Completely shameful.
As I said it before, I shall say it again: I am very proud of this statement,
"BRITISH COLUMBIA: THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH!"
We've got no-one to thank but the Honourable Gordon Campbell for what we are today. I am proud of him and his record.
freebear
3 years ago
The best place to be a poor child Gidget?
Maybe in comparison to Darfur!
freebear
3 years ago
Builder of Mountain Ranges and coastline!
Sounds like Giget owns stock in Gordon Campbell Inc. (In-cahoots with!)
Frank
3 years ago
DavidN
People should focus their anger that Campbell is destroying the province on the NDP?
Sure, why blame the perpetrator. BC politics as usual I guess.
Frank
3 years ago
Brian White
STV didn't get anywhere near a majority so its dead and whatever James may think or not think of it is a dead issue as well.
"Carole james KNEW that she would get major opposition from environmentalists when she did axe the tax. She chose to lose."
And yet, she didn't. The Green vote feel by 36,000 votes in spite of so many claiming the Greens killed the NDP.
In other words all the claims and threats amounted to nothing more than wishful thinking.
Bill W James
3 years ago
Hot off the press
U.S. Senate Comprehensive Energy Legislation
The only problem? The proposed RES only recognizes a very limited amount of incremental "hydro" as "renewable energy" (ie - most hydro is NOT considered renewable energy under the act) and does not contemplate allowing imported hydro to qualify towards meeting the obligations of utilities under the RES.
Say what “ No US market for Gordon Campbell and his run of river buddies. Guess we'll just have to sell it to BC Hydro and raise Hydro rates .
Kam Lee
3 years ago
gordo, his lil friend gidget (works for him)
Just a thought for our right wing ding friends, Would you vote again for gordo if he is found guilty of involvement in the BC Rail (scandal) sale? A simple question for those simple-minded folks. I guarantee they would blame the NDP for that one also. Give us back our province!
reallife
3 years ago
Help me understand the RoR posts?
In following this thread, I note some conflicting, or at least to me, confusing statements.
- One post says that Bute Inlet power will cost the BC taxpayers $16 billion but another says the project should not be built as all the power will be exported.
- A post notes that independent power sells for $0.12/kwh. In a different post, it is noted that solar power is available in the US for $0.01/kwh. This suggests there cannot be a demand for BC power in the US.
- According to one post, spot power is available in BC for $0.025/kwh. Does this price include firm power (which is what we need for our residential use)?
- One poster suggest nuclear plants at the Burrard gas-fired power plant. Does anyone else agree that the public would accept a nuke in this location?
I am just curious as to why there seems to be so much anger in regard to RoR. Do we know of any fish stocks being wiped out because of a RoR project? I thought most sites were located upstream of the productive anadramous fish habitat (usually because a waterfall blocks passage). I know the kayakers were angry about one project in southwest BC, but that seemed a bit self-serving. I have seen the rigour of the federal environmental review process when applied to other resource projects so surely any concerns will be addressed and impacts mitigated.
I have seen on other websites, the insinuation that the RoR opposition is really a fight by the BC Hydro union to block private power development. Does the BC Hydro union (I do not know which union represents their workers) really sponsor any of the opposition?
Hope you folks can shed some light on this for me.
G West
3 years ago
Gigdet
He's no patron saint of mine - my remarks were directed to the moderators not to you - I've seen them ban folks for questioning the sanity or mental stability of Tyee writers.
The fact they sat on their hands while you violated the commenting code of conduct with impunity was what I was questioning.
For reasons I spelled out pretty clearly in my post.
As for your slurs toward Rafe Mair, he's a big boy, he can look after himself.
Me, I'm pretty sure he isn't too troubled by your dyspepsia. Neither am I.
But I do think the Tyee ought to have a rational and fairly adjudicated policy with regard to what's allowed and what's not.
Frank
3 years ago
reallife
"I have seen the rigour of the federal environmental review process when applied to other resource projects"
I'm not sure what you mean by "rigour". Are you claiming that government has prevented any negative environmental effects from ever happening in Canada?
I doubt many of us share your faith that the government will protect the environment. I just don't see a lot of evidence of that out there.
As for public versus private that is a big issue. I just don't see the long term gain for BCers from the US taking over our rivers and generating power from them. At least with Hydro all the jobs and profits stay in BC.
Bailey
3 years ago
Dear Gidget
I'm ashamed of you. You should be ashamed of yourself for your remarks about other people's health history.
Do you really believe that anyone must be crazy to disagree with you? I must say I would think such a belief indicates a kind of break with the norms of rational thought in itself.
Another cause to question your assumption of your own infallible correctness: your choice of adjective in your closing prayer above here. "The Honourable" indeed.
I would refer you to the interesting history of Mr Campbell's relatives in government service, particularly Doug Walls. If your adjective survives that research, then I wish you good luck with your difficulty.
Gidget
3 years ago
Bailey & Kam Lee
First, as to the so-called BC Rail Scandal.
That issue is before the courts, and it would be wrong for me or anyone to make a comment (good, bad, or indifferent) about the said issue.
No-one has been found guilty of any such incident, and it is likely that no-one will ever be found to be guilty or purported to be guilty or at least partially culpable.
Besides, BC Rail has not been sold. The rail lines are still owned by the people of BC. And, CN North America has done things that BC Rail couldn't. It's in a far better position now.
Also, you and other leftists have proven time-and-time again as to why you should never-ever gain power again. Socialism is dead.
And to Bailey. Yes, I know that our beloved Premier may have some relations in government service. So what? Is it illegal? No? That wasn't an issue last week, nor was BC Rail.
British Columbians, other than the typical commie cry babies, don't care about your bugbears! Become relevant first, than maybe British Columbians will start to pay attention.
Once again, I am forced to defend the actions of BC's most popular Premier of modern times, and defend this great and just province, because it is 'THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH'.
Granted, there may be a problem here and there, such as violent crimes and a higher than usual level of child poverty. But, the markets will correct such issues. The unshackling of poor people from minimum wages will create more employment. The restructuring of our welfare system, by the reduction of benefits and making it more difficult to obtain, will strengthen the economy. We will have to learn to become more competitive, productive, and more willing to be self sufficient. A minimum wage, cushy employment standards, and an easy welfare system just breeds laziness and poverty.
I am looking forward to the day when a $5 an hour job will force a poor person off of their duff and find a better paying job. If they have children, then they should give them up. Shame on them for trying to raise children in a life of poverty.
A competitive workforce, strictly geared for the free enterprise market is the key to prosperity. Regulations only hinder the profit motive.
WEASER
3 years ago
to Gidget
You haven't got a clue about the welfare system. People can't even survive on what it offers and it's very difficult to get on. I am on disability through no choosing of my own. I did not ask to be ill but I have to put up with the likes of you that figure we should just go get a job. There are no jobs. Where I live the mills are all closing down. Grown men are going after McDonald jobs to try and make it. You can't live off of minimum wage. You can't rent anything under $700. It's hard to get work when you haven't eaten for days, haven't had a place to do personal hygiene, afford clothing or have transportation to get to work. You can't even afford the bus, if your community has a bus, when you can't even survive. So just because you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth doesn't give you the right to slander everyone else. Go walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you shoot your mouth off.
OilbertaRedTory
3 years ago
Mair's Media ...
... is now, and always shall be in service to the Trinity of the Market ; delivering Product (readers) to the Purchasers (advertisers) for the Owners.
His heresies notwithstanding, Rafe is a neo-liberal variant on the classic 'useful idiot' unwilling/unable to distinguish the free-enterprise entrepreneur from the capitalist.
The Media was exactly where it was paid to be - ignoring the citizen in preference to the consumer.
And so we've learned to rely on hard-hitting men's fashion magazines to dig out some tidbits of truth :
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_9217
VivianLea Doubt
3 years ago
lovely tidbit,OilbertaRedTory
First Epistle of Peter: “It is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.”
Hardhitting men's fashion magazines...wow! (Admittedly, I did get sidetracked by GQ and all that manly beauty on display...what was my point?)
Oh yes, pithy as usual, you are becoming my hero.
G West
3 years ago
This, Gidget, is complete bullshit
VivianLea Doubt
3 years ago
people like Gidget
make us all ashamed, Weaser. And much more focused - "don't give up", as you said upthread.
Thanks, Bailey.
KWD
3 years ago
Socialism dead? Get a grip.
Communism may be dead – although from a wider, more informed perspective, even that is debatable – but socialism? Hardly. Anyone who has poked their head from the warren and taken the time to peer through the looking glass knows very well that we live in a country that exists because of socialism.
Campbell’s Wonderland is one of the most “socialized” places in the world. All of the infrastructures that allow us to go about our daily business, provide connections to the world around us and enjoy tea with the Queen are there because costs were socialized.
Contrary to what some would like us to believe, the spread of humanity in this country did not happen because private enterprise and the free market – out of the goodness of their hearts and the desire to let the rest of us profit – allowed it to happen. The costs of our roads, railways, ferry systems, hospitals, schools, military, water, power and communication systems are socialized; they are spread across society.
And nobody takes advantage of this fact more than the wealthy. So when it comes right down to it socialism in this country is alive and well. Unfortunately, more often than not, it benefits the well-heeled and excludes the poor. Yes, it’s called socialism for the rich. Socialism is dead … what a joke.
brg61
3 years ago
K.B.O.
Rafe, I recall that Winston Churchill had a motto; KBO or "keep buggering on". He was a stubborn, determined man and we all know he was the only person warning Great Britain and the rest of the world about the nazis/Hitler prior to 1939.
His speeches were heckled in parliament and the media called him a war monger if they didn't ignore him. His own party was set to kick him out.
Churchill was right; and I believe you are getting on some powerful nerves with your own stubborn and persistent criticism of the private power issue.
You have informed me about this and I'm sure many others. So don't give up; keep buggering on!
mcdull
3 years ago
Sold
Its all OK with this prem and the lack of our press holding his feet to the fire BC is finished . Know it is time to carceit up.
G West
3 years ago
KWD
Couldn't agree more - corporate welfare is working just fine.
Crash II
3 years ago
hmmm......
If certain eco-spokespeople and their hyperbole-ridden, tunnel-vision, micro-scale interpretation of what passes as environmentalism these days failed to ignite the rational public, then perhaps a peak in the mirror will offer some insight as to why.
Here's a quick test to determine if you are a real environmentalist...
"Are you adamantly, single-mindedly opposed to a future in which non-carbon energy replaces fossil fuels?"
Hmmmm..... and I thought I used to know what an environmentalist was.
lynn
3 years ago
just want to add.....
OilbertaRedTory:
Yours is a concise and excellent post on the "Trinity of the Market"...and I agree, "the media was exactly where it was paid to be"..... but I think you are being unfair to Rafe:
Quote:
"His heresies notwithstanding, Rafe is a neo-liberal variant on the classic 'useful idiot' unwilling/unable to distinguish the free-enterprise entrepreneur from the capitalist."
First, he who hath no heresies may cast the first stone....second, as to the certainty in your.......well, let's just move on.....
The thing is, Rafe consistently got off his derriere for the right thing, travelled all over this province to inform the public when he probably preferred to be at home, kept the crusade and hard work of Alexandra Morton in the public forefront, and spoke out here on The Tyee and elsewhere at at time when few people are speaking out....at least not "out loud" in public anyway.
Those information meetings changed things...I saw it happen in our own riding...both through information gained and a growing sense of solidarity for a just cause.
That's why Gidget and her coy smearing tactics have "popped" up here....her/his side is threatened by the actions of Mr. Mair...and would greatly prefer he just "retire" and leave what little is left of this province for the ever-voracious privatization forces to further devour, decimate.... or sell-off.
I am tiring of the "revolutionaries" who are sitting there waiting for the revolution to knock on their door....for all the desirable factors to warm to their touch before they dare act.
When Rafe first began to write his views on The Tyee, I thought he had come late to the party, so even I am surprised that I am defending him so. But I respect what he has done and he has made a difference.
He spoke out... and more importantly, he acted...and probably with pretty good knowledge of the consequences of doing so in this Public Affairs (Smear) Bureau-controlled province.
His was an act of citizenry, not consumerism.
Give him credit for that.
OilbertaRedTory
3 years ago
Citizen Mair
Shall we render credit unto Rafe ?
Would that be Social Credit ?
lynn
3 years ago
Ba-dum dum!
Ba-dum dum! OilbertaTory.... didn't mean to give you the perfect set-up. ;-)
Actually, come to think of it, it would be credit of a social "nature"....the best kind in my books.
Janie Jones
3 years ago
La plus ca change, la plus ca la meme chose.
With this election Tzeporah Berman has transformed herself from a power-hungry wannabee into a dangerously deluded and utterly hypocritical globalist apparatchik.
Not only is Berman hypocritical enough to campaign against "global warming" while funded by the petroleum industry, at the same time she is delivering lectures on Norman Rothstein Theatre "in celebration of the Jewish holiday of Tu B'Shevat, the 'new year of trees'" on how her "Jewish beliefs have shaped her environmental activism," her co-religionists are literally uprooting the tree of peace (the olive) in occupied Palestine to build illegal walls to protect illegal settlements.
At the same time, she is declaring that British Columbians have "a moral duty" to turn BC into tribal chieftainates where only members have rights, her co-religionists are brutally driving the indigenous people of Palestine from land their ancestors have inhabited for millennia.
At the same time she is labeling those who disagree with her delusional beliefs as "climate change denier trolls" who will be "deleted" because they are "burining our babies," her co-religionists are actually burning children alive with illegal chemical weapons in order to reinforce their illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
At the same time she is lecturing us on the need to create "the future green economy" she is endorsing massively destructive IPPs whose construction will spew volcanic amounts of CO2 emissions into what is now in comparison, pristine wilderness.
At the same time she is decrying the NDP for their opposition for the utterly useless carbon tax, she is endorsing IPP "partnerships" with Indian bands that allow huge multinationals like Kiewit to forgo paying it by locating their headquarters on reserves or after Membership Rights & Titles is passed, any land in BC now deemed public.
With hypocrites like Berman in the driver's seat, prepare for the destruction of everything we knew and loved about our home and native land.
And say goodbye freedom.
Janie Jones
3 years ago
Censorship
You don't get to read it because it was censored.
No doubt due to Berman's new special powers.
G West
3 years ago
Janie
It's still there - just didn't make the 'best comments' list - not yet anyway.
I've kept a copy - just in case
Gidget
3 years ago
The left is divided, and will continue so
I find it so beautiful that the left is so divided, that it is unlikely that it will ever reunite.
That's one reason why I am so proud of the Honourable Gordon Campbell, and the introduction of the carbon tax.
Some lefties are in favour of it, while others are opposed to it.
It's the best way to win and maintain power; the division of one's enemies.
And think: the BC Liberals got a strong endorsement from Dr. David Suzuki! He condemned the NDP.
Besides, too much concern for the environment leads to more regulations, which hurt the economy.
A true free enterprise economy will have as little regulations as possible, and will let the markets dictate environmental regulations, employment standards, working conditions, wages, social services benefits, et cetera.
A truly stable free enterprise system wouldn't tax the incomes of corporations and would bend over backwards to accommodate the needs and interests of those who own the said corporations or the overall wealth base.
A truly free enterprise system would make it virtually impossible for able bodied peoples to qualify for welfare, and would force them into the workforce. Poverty is a great motivator.
I for one, continue to be proud of the Honourable Gordon Campbell, despite what the lefties say, is the most popular Premier of BC in modern times.
BC is truly, THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH.
G West
3 years ago
Campbell
Is without a doubt the worst premier and the only one convicted of an indictable offence in the history of the province.
Not a coincidence I'm afraid.
Corporations are sociopaths - like some people - they need to be heavily medicated and controlled.
lynn
3 years ago
Gidget Goes Ayn Rand
Gidget, I think you've over-dosed on the kool-aid.
OilbertaRedTory
3 years ago
Say Say Say ...
... the Laws of Markets are being repealed after the great Profit announced that the Invisible Hand was misquoted.
Meanwhile, Our Blessed Virtuous Mammon was sighted in envelopes of cash heading for the southern border.
KWD
3 years ago
curious
There’s that word again … “proud”. I’m curious, what message is being conveyed with the use of terms like “proud” and “pride”?
As far as I’m aware “pride” refers to a lion family. But surely that can’t be the case when used in a political context … hmmm … but maybe I’m wrong, maybe it’s actually lyin’ family. Ah, that would make sense. When someone claims to be full of pride it must be that they’re full of lies.
And then there’s “proud”. It’s correctly used when it refers to something that sticks out, gets in the way and is a hindrance, like a knot in a piece of wood or a boulder in the road. But what does it mean when some says they’re “proud”? They’re happy to be a knot or a boulder or a hindrance? I’m truly stumped.
But getting back to the main question, "Where was the media?", it's curious to note that, although MSM had lots to say about the Oliphant inquiry … most but not all sickeningly sympathetic to lyin' Brian … they refused to allow reader commentary. Something about legal concerns. It’s amazing how much fear five high priced lawyers can instill.
David Lewis
3 years ago
come up with a position on climate Rafe
You'd make a more powerful case if you addressed the concern the Suzukis and Bermans of this world say they have, the concern that they say makes them advocate a position different than yours.
You don't seem to believe it is possible that wholesale global climate change could possibly "seriously impact", or even "ruin" our rivers. You make your case as if climate change isn't going to cause any problems anyone has to worry about.
Your passion leads me to think I should investigate the issue further, but the way you write about it leads me to conclude I'm not going to be able to get useful information from you.
Wilfred Laurier
3 years ago
Narcissism
Narcissism at it's best:
"It's still there - just didn't make the 'best comments' list - not yet anyway.
I've kept a copy - just in case"
Saving the world on the Tyee! LOL!
Kam Lee
3 years ago
Wow, I have just arrived
Wow, I have just arrived back in town this am. And oh my god!
Gidget, you have defiantly drank gordo’s kool-aid, or something liquid from him. Even Hitler had groupies, and so does gordo. Maybe it in your job description (one of 223 in his office?)
To your other items you mentioned…
‘I find it so beautiful that the left is so divided, that it is unlikely that it will ever reunite.’
Yes, there are differing points of view on the left, unlike gordo’s empire, where you do as HE says.
“That's one reason why I am so proud of the Honourable Gordon Campbell, and the introduction of the carbon tax.”
Whoops, look like he is reversing his decision on that one. Outa sinc with the rest of the free world.
“And think: the BC Liberals got a strong endorsement from Dr. David Suzuki! He condemned the NDP.”
Suzuki had been bought off, simple as that. He is due to be put out to pasture soon.
“Besides, too much concern for the environment leads to more regulations, which hurt the economy.”
Yikes, that’s so true, your ilk have no real concern for the environment, that’s obvious.
“A true free enterprise economy will have as little regulations as possible, and will let the markets dictate environmental regulations, employment standards, working conditions, wages, social services benefits, et cetera.”
Oh yes, pay low,($6 –8 an hour) work harder, or get fired. Great strategy
“A truly stable free enterprise system wouldn't tax the incomes of corporations and would bend over backwards to accommodate the needs and interests of those who own the said corporations or the overall wealth base.”
No, tax all the rest (The people) especially the ones that gordo hates the most, women, kids, seniors, handicapped, mentally challenged, etc
“I for one, continue to be proud of the Honourable Gordon Campbell, despite what the lefties say, is the most popular Premier of BC in modern times.”
I’m so happy for you! In love with a dictator. One question please, and only a yes or no answer please.. If gordo is convicted of political interference with the sale of BC Rail. Would you vote for him again?
Sadly, I expect you would.
Gidget
3 years ago
Kam Lee
"I’m so happy for you! In love with a dictator. One question please, and only a yes or no answer please.. If gordo is convicted of political interference with the sale of BC Rail. Would you vote for him again?"
The issue is before the courts, and neither you nor me should say anything about this matter. It may just prejudice the issue.
No-one has been convicted of anything, nor likely will be. The issue is far too complex for the common person to grasp.
BTW, did you hear that our beloved Premier offered an olive branch to Carole James and her band of misfits.
He has forgiven them for their hopelessly negative campaign. It backfired in their socialist faces.
Yes, the left is badly divided, which allows for us on the right to govern BC anyway we see fit; the rightist coalition is absolutely undefeatable.
Well, Kam Lee, I wish you luck on your endeavors. Too bad it can't be politics.
I'm proud to be living in THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH.
Rod Smelser
3 years ago
David Lewis: Do you take all political speeches at face value?
David Lewis
...the concern the Suzukis and Bermans of this world say they have, the concern that they say makes them advocate a position different than yours.
Do you take all political speeches at face value, or only those made by well-financed, well-paid, celebrity-status environmental NGO leaders, the environmental Elmer Gantrys of B.C.?
Your passion leads me to think I should investigate the issue further, but the way you write about it leads me to conclude I'm not going to be able to get useful information from you.
Funny you should say that!
Kam Lee
3 years ago
Gidget drinking, sucking and in love
Gidget:
Don’t be afraid to answer that one question please. Your answer will not sway the decision of the courts. It' the usual thing you do and have done is divert or dismiss. I'm sure you will be able to service gordo when he is in prison. There are lots of other people like him there for you to love also.
Gidget
3 years ago
Kam Lee
Any question regarding the "so-called" BC Rail Scandal is before the courts of law, and it wouldn't be right to make a comment regarding such issue.
If your talking about courts and such, why don't you talk about Glen Clark and the fast ferries?
Why don't you mention anything about the fake budget that Elizabeth Cull introduced before the 1996 election, wasn't passed, and was reintroduced by the new NDP finance minister? A small surplus ended up being a major deficit! The NDP stole the 1996 election under false pretenses.
What about Dave Zirnhelt's comments about the "government can do anything it damn well likes" comment?
What about Gordon Wilson changing parties at least 3 times, before becoming an NDP toadie a decade ago?
What about Moe Sihota and his many scandals?
What about the NDP kniving a well liked leader (Mike Harcourt) and choosing a union thug to replace him (Clark)?
What about the rising debt under the NDP?
What about the fact that the NDP made us a "have not" Province by about 1998?
The Honourable Gordon Campbell is an angel of God in comparison.
How dare anyone consider voting for the NDP, let alone do so, after the mess we were left with.
Face it, Gordon Campbell is BC's Barack Obama. He inherited a bad mess, and it took a while to clean it up.
The NDP should go down in history as bad as George W. Bush has gone down.
Anyone who supports the corrupt and inept NDP, would just as likely support George W. Bush and his government.
If you have anything to say about BC Rail, say it. Also, identify yourself, and that way you can get sued for defamation.
BC truly is THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH.
North of Hope
3 years ago
Gidget
You seem to forget that, in the 90's, the NDP were elected because the BC Liberals (nee Social Credit) were ruining the province. Added to that was the Asian meltdown which hurt the BC economy as well as many other parts of Canada. It was in this decade that Alberta was giving its welfare recipients one way bus tickets to BC. You mention fudget budgets. Look at the last one the BC Liberals brought in. Already it is way off due to miscalculations by the gov't of BC. Wait and see how far out it is when the audit comes down this fall. And watch for an even bigger fudget budget next Spring that won't be audited before the election. How convenient that is for Campbell and his cronies.
As for unions get big raises in the 90's, this is not true. Since the province was having a tough time unions did not request large increases.
I find it difficult to see how the BC Liberals could be thought of as better managers of the BC economy. They have been giving away our industry (BC Rail, BC Hydro) and our natural resources (wood, lumber, oil, gas) and they have not developed a sustainable economy that will serve the residents of BC in the future. It's time for them to go. When the BC Liberals took over they had the largest surplus in BC history and it became the largest deficit after Campbell started playing with the books.
Here is a quote for you about Campbell.
Eisenhower on foolish politicians
“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.” – President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952
Kam Lee
3 years ago
Sue, is that your real name?
"If you have anything to say about BC Rail, say it. Also, identify yourself, and that way you can get sued for defamation."
Look up sunshine, get off your knees. Who's gonna sue me, you? I've been preaching the same thing since the "raid on the ledge", since collins was overheard talking "deals" with one of the competitors, and extra loud because it has been stalled for five years!. Lawyers? They are all busy protecting him and many of his gang. Over 20% of his ilk are
been followed by cops and lawyers. How about using your real name? Is it Ross, or Irving? One of the gang of 223 in his office. You are fooling nobody. You are a shill for gordo. Mis-directed and lonely. Get a life.
sicntired
3 years ago
Too many just don't get out of the city
This government is ruining all that makes this a great place to live.I have watched as the wild salmon were driven to near extinction.The inland fishery is a shadow of what it once was.The Thompson river steel-head are gone.Now they intend to P3 our hospitals in spite of the disastrous effects they had in England.These are the most disingenuous and dishonest thieves we've had since the last Liberal government.My mother used to say that no one in B.C. would ever forget the corruption of the old provincial Liberals.Sorry mom,these people don't care as long as they have gas for their SUV's and an underclass to spit on and ignore.What other government would dare give everyone a tax cut except for the very lowest tax bracket.They got an increase.That is Campbell's government in a nutshell.