Opinion

Kids, the Issue that Never Played

No party hurried to make a bold stand on childcare. But stakes are high.

By Charles Campbell, 12 May 2009, TheTyee.ca

Carole James and Gordon Campbell kissing babies

Leaders Campbell and James in tot photo-ops.

In the 2008 Throne Speech, the BC Liberals proposed a huge shift in early childhood education that would involve spending more than half a billion dollars a year. Hardly anyone in the media noticed. In April, the Ministry of Education released a key report affirming that initiative. Pretty much no one in the media bothered to mention it.

Both the NDP and the BC Liberals have significant planks in their platforms on childcare and early childhood education, but those planks haven't been used to start many fires on the campaign trail. Only the Georgia Straight covered the issues in any depth, asking why the NDP has backed away from previous childcare commitments.

What will it take for B.C. to move forward with a shared sense of purpose and excitement on childcare and early childhood education? These two ostensibly separate but inextricably linked matters are hugely important to our short- and long-term future.

Wonder why B.C. ranks last among Canadian provinces in a key measure of children's economic health? Insufficient and expensive childcare is a big part of the problem.

Want to reduce the high-school dropout rate and improve adult language skills? Those long-term learning outcomes are hugely influenced by what we do with the plastic minds of pre-school children.

Hush now everyone

A little excitement and interest in the media about such things would be nice, but my colleagues hardly deserve all the blame. Last month, when the government released its overdue report Expanding Early Learning in British Columbia for Children Aged Three to Five, the Ministry of Education didn't even bother to issue a news release. And why would they? Make a childcare promise and the odds are you'll soon be backing down, and not just because of cost. There are so many overlapping jurisdictions. And there is so much attitudinal baggage.

We are still deeply conflicted about how to raise our children, and as a result we have failed to take the steps required to help parents balance work, family and childhood education needs.

In Canada, we're well behind many Western European countries, New Zealand, and even U.S. states such as Oklahoma and Georgia, where universal half- or full-time programs for four-year-olds and sometimes three-year-olds are completely free, or nearly so. And that's according to the BC Liberals' own consultation paper. UBC early learning researcher Lynell Anderson says Canada has the poorest access to childcare in the industrialized world, and among the highest fees. In 2008, B.C. ranked dead last among Canadian provinces in an analysis of child-care delivery by the Canadian Labour Congress.

Yet amid the current economic chaos, there's hope of a sort. At some indeterminate time in the future, B.C. might do something about our laggard ways. Although they won't say when, both the NDP and the BC Liberals say they will introduce full-day kindergarten for all students. The Liberals are also looking at optional kindergarten for three- and four-year-olds. The NDP has promised to expand child-care. The difference between the two positions is in some ways merely semantic. The generous view of the Liberal plan is that they're getting around society's reticence about childcare by calling it "early childhood education." NDPers are not so averse to "childcare," but they too are steering toward the language of education and investing in children.

Whatever helps us get past our misapprehension that childcare means we're not raising our children right is fine by me. Because we need to get past it.

We're not living in the 1950s

Our society has experienced some fundamental changes in family organization and economic need -- an early childhood paradigm shift in the words of the academics. Yet despite all the givens -- that two-income families have become a necessary norm, that many parents don't have the family support they had a generation ago, that high-quality child care contributes to the social and intellectual development of our children -- old attitudes persist. Last year, a mother looking for action on childcare at a Vancouver school board meeting was met by a trustee with the words "free babysitting."

Not free, actually. The basic provincial operating subsidy for a spot in "out-of-school" care is just $1.40 a day. The mother simply wanted to know why the school board wouldn't provide surplus space for a service she was willing to pay for.

The cost of all forms of childcare in B.C. is prohibitive for many families. Sure, the BC Liberals substantially increased the income threshold for childcare subsidies a couple of years back, after cutting it early in their first term. But while two working parents jointly earning $48,000 after tax can get a 40-per cent income-based fee subsidy, they still have to spend roughly a quarter of their net income to keep two pre-school kids in typical licensed group care.

In 2006, 16 per cent of B.C. children lived below Statistic Canada's "low income cut-off," the highest rate in Canada. While Premier Gordon Campbell may dispute whether the cut-off constitutes child poverty, there's no denying the financial challenges faced by that $48,000 family.

Never mind that the family simply might not be able to get a high-quality daycare spot when they need it.

Kindergarten lessons

And when their children enter kindergarten, it's that old déjà vu all over again. Kindergarten after-care waiting lists often far exceed the size of the programs, and you won't have to look far down your own street to find a mother who has given up work to get her family through that year. Even Minister of State for Child Care Linda Reid allowed, in an interview with me last summer, that it's a problem. "What families say to me is that the kindergarten year is the hardest year to obtain childcare."

It's at the kindergarten level that many failures in B.C.'s childcare and education policies converge. B.C. provides full-day K for aboriginal and special needs students and those who speak English as a second language. At Vancouver's Cunningham Elementary a couple of years back, there were only five students who didn't meet that definition, so the school sent them away at lunchtime. School boards rightly recognize that this is an extremely stupid policy, and most of the time they find ways to avoid it, yet it still happens. One veteran childcare administrator described the practice to me bluntly. "It's segregation."

The need to give ESL kids preferential kindergarten rights has roots in poor access to preschool care. Many working immigrant parents of modest means have older relatives care for their young kids, and they arrive at school without strong English skills. While any Canadian parent obviously wants their children to speak English well, two-tier kindergarten provides a short-term reward for failure -- a coveted free full-day kindergarten spot. Elementary teachers have even told me they believe some poor parents ask their children to pretend they don't speak English during language assessments so they can access full-day kindergarten. These are exceptional examples, of course, but they are serious and avoidable ones.

Navigating a balkanized system

Current kindergarten policies also contribute to the balkanization of our school system, particularly in multicultural urban areas. Some parents see the remedial role public-school kindergarten plays for ESL children as a reason to place their own kids elsewhere. I'd venture it's one of the underlying causes of the recent boom in French immersion programs. Three families I know simply walked away from kindergarten's complex challenges by enrolling their children in private school. They get full-day K, lower student-teacher ratios, and guaranteed in-school after care.

After I enrolled my daughter in half-day kindergarten at a Vancouver public school, I was told she would almost certainly not get a spot in the after-care program serving the school. I'm a private boys' school survivor who strongly believes in the public system, yet I still put down $650 in private school deposit fees to ensure that I could keep working in the fall. (My daughter got the spot she needed, but only because of an administrative mistake.)

Since 2001, private school enrolment has risen by 15 percent while public school enrolment has declined by seven per cent. I asked minister Reid if she thinks half-day K and poor after-school care access contribute to higher private school enrolment. "You're absolutely right," she said. "The sadness is that public schools haven't seen that relationship."

Some school and childcare administrators make a good case that complex provincial capital funding policies have impeded their progress. While a few districts use that as an excuse, others, such as West Vancouver and Victoria, have tried to meet the challenge independently. But their solutions can be fraught. West Van makes full-day K available at most schools to parents who can pay for it, raising the question of whether the program amounts to private schooling in the public system. Victoria school superintendent John Gaiptman doesn't think that's right. "Never should a child have an advantage because of monetary issues." Yet the Victoria district's own fee-for-service after-care programs also raise issues of social equity.

Pledge of full-day K, undelivered

We need a more consistent approach, and it's against this backdrop that the NDP and BC Liberals have developed their child-care and early-childhood-education policies.

A short history of those policies begins with the 2001 election. At the time, the NDP was starting to implement a strategy developed by Carole James, who was then the government's director of child-care policy. The first stage provided universal on-site before- and after-school care for $7 a day. During the election, the BC Liberals promised to follow through on that program. Afterward they reneged.

When more than half a billion in promised federal funding for child-care expansion disappeared under the Conservatives in 2004, the BC Liberals continued with their band-aid policy of incremental expansion of existing programs. Over eight years, they increased the number of licensed spots by about seven percent to 90,000. Yet in 2005, there were 233,000 children in B.C. under six, and more than 138,000 had a mother in the paid labour force. Another 223,000 children age six to 12 with a mother in workforce are potentially in need of after-school care.

Federal money is important, but in its absence provincial governments must still show leadership. Quebec, of course, has led the pack by offering universal child care for $7 a day. Manitoba isn't far behind. Ontario and Alberta are also well ahead of B.C.

Last year, though, the B.C. government has had an epiphany of sorts. They said they'd provide full-day kindergarten for all students in 2009, and examine the feasibility of optional kindergarten for three- and four-year-olds. They stopped forcing school districts to divest themselves of excess space they might use for expanding community programs. And they started talking about schools as community hubs.

The full-day K idea was welcome, but the idea of school-based programs for younger kids opened Pandora's box on teacher qualifications, education standards and impact on existing programs. Licensed group daycares pride themselves in delivering a high standard of early childhood education.

Following province-wide consultations, however, the government pretty much stayed the course, except that everything will be delayed by the economy and logistics. While the BC Liberals promise big changes, they're not budgeting for them in the next three years.

NDP and Liberal platform promises

The kindergarten changes are an achievable short-term goal. The province's April report estimates additional space would cost $20 million, an additional 1,000 teachers could be found soon, and the annual cost would be $130 million.

The optional programs for younger kids, however, would add between $395 million and $470 million to the bill. The implications for existing daycares is huge, and it's clear that any move on the initiatives for younger kids is years away.

The BC Liberals' platform echoes the report's ambitions, but without any dates attached, and without making any connection between its early-childhood education plans and acute daycare needs.

The NDP platform promises, as finances permit, full-day K with the accompanying after-school care, which it figures will free up 10,000 childcare spaces. The party also undertakes to establish timelines for expansion of daycare and improve training and retention in the child-care field. The NDP also says it would increase operating funding by $125 million and cap fees, without getting into any of the finer points of such a complicated policy. These are modest promises for James, who had more ambitious plans almost a decade ago. It's unsurprising that she pointed the finger at Gordon Campbell last fall on the issue, saying he "squandered the good times."

The NDP and BC Liberal platforms both have real shortcomings. While the parties measure the impact of delivering childcare on the government's bottom lines, no one seems to be measuring the impact of the cost and availability of childcare on families during an economic downturn. What's more, at a time when economic stimulus is all the rage, it's worth noting that investing in new educational programs puts a much greater percentage of the government's money into local economies than building roads and bridges.

The government's own report also makes it clear that expanding early learning and childcare, or whatever you might care to call it, produces big future economic benefits, including reduced social service costs and increased productivity. Improved funding and delivery of those services also increases job opportunities and disposable income for poorer families at a time when that really matters.

The NDP at least promises "wraparound" childcare for school-age children so both parents can work. They make the connection between childcare and employment opportunities. They're not afraid to use the word childcare to describe daycare-based pre-school learning opportunities.

Despite the BC Liberals' ambitious early learning plans, they don't seem to be able to fit the pieces of this complex puzzle together.

Childcare is central to child well-being

When CTV reporter Mi-Jung Lee repeatedly pressed Gordon Campbell in April on what his government is doing to address child poverty, childcare was never part of his answer.

When I asked Shirley Bond last year if her government considered the shortage of after-school care an urgent issue, she said "No." She rejected the idea that it is the province's duty to ensure parents have the daycare and after-school care they need, and put the onus on the complex patchwork of agencies that deliver the service: "I think it has to be community-based."

In 2007, the BC Liberals cut $800,000 in funding to the West Coast Child Care Resource Centre, which helps community agencies coordinate childcare programs. Yet Linda Reid told me she hears few complaints about provincial funding from organizations that provide daycare services. "Most organizations are absolutely thrilled."

Sure, the puzzle is complicated. To solve it, you have to reconcile its complexities and show a little visionary leadership. One of Gordon Campbell's vaguely Maoist sounding Great Goals is for B.C. "to become the best educated most literate jurisdiction on the continent." It looks like we've got a lot of catching up to do.

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  • seth

    2 years ago

    Message for BCLiberal's or

    Message for BCLiberal's or Green voters with a conscience.

    "The salmon will not survive another Liberal term" Alexandra Morton

    Apparently a lot children will not either!!!

    Check out BC for Sale by Twyla Roscovich (Don't Cry for Me BC)

    http://www.vimeo.com/4403328

    This 5 min video graphically shows why green voters need to vote NDP at least this time.

    A reminder of how damaging Greenies can be in a first past the post election. In 2000, this centuries greatest Greenie, Nobel price winner, Al Gore lost because Green Party Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader siphoned off 5% of the progressive vote. The result was million dead Iraqis', a fatal 10 year hiatus in the global warming war and the worst global recession in 80 years. Since then American progressives launched a massive campaign and have all but wiped out the American Green party.

    In Canada, the Green Party siphoned off enough votes to reelect Mr Brown, Gordon Campbell in 2005 and will be solely responsible for the subsequent environment destruction if he is reelected this time. They elected Stephen “Kyoto” Harper twice.

    The Greenies do not care about our kids, our salmon, or our environment. They are solely concerned with getting their political message out regardless of the cost to the rest of us.

    On the economic side we have the Gordo as the most fiscally incompetent politician in Canadian history.

    1) 100 billion in off the books PPP debt,

    2) 60 billion dollars in power that shows up in the springtime and has to be sold for 15% of what he paid for it. Power purchases from friends and insiders at twice what it would cost for BCHydro to build new dams and 10 times the cost our competitors on the prairies and the Pacific Northwest will be paying for nuclear power. Hydro rates that will double and triple over the next 3 or 4 years to pay for his dogmatic stupidity and greed. 2 billion dollars in committed taxpayer losses every year for the next 40 years.

    For more see

    http://publicpowerissues.blogspot.com

  • Wilfred Laurier

    2 years ago

    Too Late, Seth

    As Premier Campbell heads to his third successive majority, Seth, you really have to ask yourself if your one plank platform really worked. You really didn't have a platform other than calling your opponent names and stroking the fires of fear. That played will with the people who already believed you but it didn't sway a single voter who didn't. That's because we've heard it all before. Don't tell me how the other guy is the Devil. We've all heard it forever. Tell me you can do to make things better than the other guy.

    The plain answer is that you didn't do that.

    You really have to ask yourself do the majority of the people of BC want to turn the clock back 10 or even 40 years.

    Even if they could, they don't want to.

    Your fear tactics hit new levels this time, to levels of shrillness that we have never seen before. However, like the boy who cried wolf too many times, we saw through it. It was all about power and being beholden to big labour. Voters didn't buy it just like they didn't buy in in 2005.

    And you won't learn a thing from it which I suppose is a good thing for the Liberal Party in 2013.

    And a final footnote. The Democrats leadned from their defeats in 2000 and 2004. The NDP learned nothing in 2005 and will learn nothing in 2009.

  • seth

    2 years ago

    wilf ole pal

    Hopefully I won't have to but if you are right I'll be sending you my power bill.

  • dave49

    2 years ago

    Wilf

    When I read story after story like this one, I get mad at how the Libs propagandize us with our own tax dollars. Best place on Earth (tm)? By spin, of course. In reality, NO!

    All talk, no action, but they get away with it.

  • Wilfred Laurier

    2 years ago

    Dave.....

    "All talk, no action, but they get away with it."

    Dave, it is therefore up to your party to change it's message and platform so that it can actually deliver what it wants to. I have often wondered why this is such an intellectual jump for the Faithful. The simple fact of the matter is you are giving the Liberals a free ride and running your campaigns on emotion rather than fact. The majority of voters see through it and you lose elections.

    Is it time for a change in the NDP party? Well, given the three election defeats in a row, all fought the same way, (ie no platfrom, only character assassination)I would think it is time for your party to grow up and change they way things are done.

    I don't think it is possible, however. There are too many haters on your side and they rule the roost. The evidence is all over this board and is impossible to ignore.

    And the Liberals continue to win. They know your methods don't work and that attack campaigns do not work in Canada. All they had to do was avoid making a major mistake (which they did) and the government was theirs. You played right into their hands.

  • freebear

    2 years ago

    So go vote then!

    If you can mark an 'X' you are my kind of people! (from This Hour Has 22 MInutes!)

  • dbh

    2 years ago

    Wilf

    I could not agree more. I have been so thoroughly turned off by the party's approach for the past few years that I don't really know what I'm going to do today when I get to the polling station.

    There has been a serious lack of policy ideas coming out of the NDP for some time now. James is a disaster as a leader and the communications weasels that she has surrounded herself with have turned the party of alternatives into the party of cheap-shots, personal invective and lowbrow populism - all expressed through bumper sticker sloganeering.

    One the one hand, I realize very well that five more years of this government is going to involve a great deal of environmental destruction and suffering for people.

    On the other hand, if the NDP assume control of the government, it is unclear how much better things will be. The NDP under James clearly has no plan to deal with the huge mess that they will be handed; they will be handed a massive bill for the Olympics, a very difficult round of public sector bargaining, and a global economic crisis. Right now, it does not look like they will do anything other than screw up. This will hand the next election back to the Liberals and, I think, see the NDP shut out of government for a very long time.

    If they loose, the party will be forced to review its leadership (and I don't mean James alone) and the Liberals will have to deal with the mess they have made. So, in the long term, a loss this year may be the NDP's saving grace as a party.

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    dbh

    It reminds me of a phrase on a sign I saw years ago explaining the condition of the road to a lake. "Its bound to be better since it cannot be worse."

  • BC Mary

    2 years ago

    ... one huge victory for Carole, the NDP, and women in general

    Today I'm a steno (just like CanWest) because this comment by Kevin Logan, noted in passing, is just too good to pass up. He wrote:

    .

    " ... we have not once heard that Carole is a Metis Woman ... this coming on the heels of listening to our counterparts in the south choose a president where the debate amongst the Democrats literally revolved around gender and race.

    "I would like to think that here in Canada we have evolved past prejudiscism of this nature, however it is obvious we have not and I am not suggesting the debate should have focused more on racism of sexism, I am saying I am surprised at the silence on this front.

    "Not a word here in BC about the progressive nature a candidate like Carole presents. Very odd indeed. I remember when Ujjal took the leadership of the party and both his leadership bid within the party and his run for premier focused quite a bit of energy on the race issues his candidacy presented.

    "In fact the NDP often works very hard to shine the light on the progressive nature of the candidate it forwards, you need only look at the policy designed to get women and visible minorities in the legislature to see what lengths they go to on this front.

    "So I am just saying that I find it odd we did not hear more about gender and race in this election for a number of reasons one of which is the obvious and distinct difference her candidacy offers voters over the incumbent.

    "Finally when Carole knocked out Campbell live and in the flesh in the television debate there was no David Goliath type framing where gender could have entered the fray.

    "It was no small feat for Carole to not only withstand the patronizing glib of the Premier but to push back and actually defeat him. This was downplayed by the media but when I think of all the debates I have witnessed and I can barely think of another time where one participant so clearly won.

    "It was not that she stood out on policy or capitalized on a wedge issue, it was more a result of the incompetence of the others combined with her confidence and ability, but in the end this was one huge victory for Carole, the NDP and women in general. Yet very little about this in the media except to kindly acknowledge that Carole won.

    "It made me proud to be an NDP. And that doesn't happen very often."

  • SharingIsGood

    2 years ago

    I'm convinced, dbh and wilf

    The mainstream media has done a first class hatchet job on the NDP since just before the arrival of the Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney era. The MSM have become more concentrated.

    The voice of neoliberalism is the voice of American and Canadian TV and print. Greed is Good is the BC Liberal mantra that Campbellites pounded-out on their election eve Blackberries. The MSM have marketed consumerism and greed while addicting and assaulting our night-time senses with violent circuses like CSI and Call of Duty IV. They have sold us on joining a war halfway around the planet to protect us, while at the same time condemming governments that would put the needs of average citizens ahead of the needs of globalization. Sadly, poverty and addiction have taken over to the extent that the enemy is found in the unsafe streets and the dirty hospitals we find in our communities. The mainstream media (like the BC Liberal government) has sold us out to multinational corporations. Now that those corporations own much of what they are after, the print versions of mainstream media are found to be very nearly obsolete. When faced with chosing between eating and buying a daily newspaper, food wins out. When faced with maintaining a personal digital phone and a newspaper, the phone wins out. "The medium is the message"...and corporate newspapers have used up their "15 minutes of fame".

  • SharingIsGood

    2 years ago

    BC Mary

    Excellent observations!

    Interesting (but not unlike them) of the MSM to not mention that Carole James would have an inately clear understanding of aboriginal issues. Instead, the MSM focused on trying to get the aboriginal vote out for Campbell.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    What happened to Axe the Tax?

    What happened to Axe the Tax?

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    realisticman

    What do you mean?

  • morechatter

    2 years ago

    The Chinese Prophet Says

    Take care not to take the wrong path as it could lead you down the road to the Liberals and you could be next. As the first cut is the deepest as children are left to the stroll. I'm not sure I would leave my child in the hands of a man who endorses child abuse as year after year Campbell goes in for the those killer cuts.

    Burp! oh excuse me I had my problems for breakfast and now its the Liberals for lunch. How about you? Don't forget your Tums for the "Out to Lunch" bunch so we can get down to the serious business of dinner on the table. You know of things of yesterday only today is a new day and take care because those Liberals are a tuff lot to digest at anyone time. Burp!

  • morechatter

    2 years ago

    Children cry, "Please Mr. Campbell" No More

    Cuts we can't take it. Please our education, our teachers our futures. Don't be the monkey on our backs.
    The signs where posted on the school yard yesterday and it brought tears to my eyes as there poor little signs where showered on. Just what Mr. Campbell has already done to there dreams as he leaves them with out hope.

  • morechatter

    2 years ago

    And Realistman

    We have moved on rom "Axe the Tax" to "Axe the Liberals" and todays the day to pick up your Axe and have a chop at it. Burp! Oh those liberals.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    WilFRED

    "...emotion rather than fact."

    Please, some facts to support this 'emotional' response.

    What accusation of the NDP in this election, relative to 8 years of malfeasance and lies from the CEO, would you care to address?

    BECAUSE my friend, if you can't put up something more concrete than that you really ought to shut up, don't you think?

    Which members of the 20 - 25 % of the children in British Columbia would you care to address firs?

    Please, interested people would like to know exactly what your point is.

    I don't think you have one.

  • Wilfred Laurier

    2 years ago

    Website Banner, Garth

    "Please, some facts to support this 'emotional' response."

    Look the banner on this website, Garth:

    "Gordon Campbell Hates You."

    Need I say more?

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    Frank

    What I mean is the Axe-the-tax was central to the NDP campaign - last year. Now, it's buried. Check the NDP web site, it's not there. This is one idea that has been laid quiet while the party pleads with environmentalists. At my count they've found four environmentalists to support them and the rest have have turned their backs.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    realisticman

    The "Axe the tax" got a lot of attention in the early part of the campaign and James never backed down on it.

    However the environmentalists became quite subdued when more and more of the people they said they were speaking for turned on them. Even Berman went quiet in the face of pressure from other environmentalists.

    So perhaps you'd have to ask them why they aren't still attacking the NDP and making lots of noise about "Axe the Tax".

  • Rod Smelser

    2 years ago

    "realistic"man: Why do some ENGOs support the Liberals?

    The answer is simple. They need the money. Some ENGOs are feeling the pinch of recession in both donations and commercial fee-for-service consulting work. What happier development could there be for these multi-million dollar organizations in tough times than a happy, intimate and fertile relationship with the Government of British Columbia, its agencies, boards and commissions, universities and colleges, Crown Corporations and Health Agencies?

    The possibilities for lucrative contracting are endless, yielding a sustainable, if not altogether natural source of income for these organizations. The "green" thing these ENGO leaders and the well-paid personnel on their payrolls are concerned about has nothing to do with the great outdoors.

    As an opposition party with no patronage to dispense, neither the Federal or BC NDP could match the Liberals' offer to these organizations.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    Frank & Rod

    I presume that now you are including Marc Lee of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. The group that virtually lives and breathes NDP policy and sentiment.

    As Marc Lee wrote in The Progressive Economics Forum:

    "But you cannot have it both ways. The tax cannot be the horror it is made out to be and also be symbolic. The NDP seems to be conflating arguments that play well as soundbites in focus groups but together do not make sense. As Stephen Gordon remarked (talking about the federal NDP), “The NDP is trying to suck and blow on this issue, but all it’s doing is making unpleasantly incoherent noises.”

    "Even if the carbon tax is symbolic, the symbol is important for our times."

    "Part of my frustration with the NDP’s “axe the tax” campaign is that they actually endorse carbon pricing."

    I can see why the NDP dropped the Axe-The-Tax campaign from its web site and wanted it to just go away.

    I don't think that even Bill Tielman mentions it anymore, even after taking ownership of the Axe The BC Gas Tax blog.

    The NDP really haven't been consistent on this and many other issues. I guess the poling showed that the public was not incensed and they were not going to win on it. The reading of the tea leaves on this, and other issues, are sure to cause some NDP heads to roll. The two NDP factions are going to have a battle royal after it's over.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    realisticman

    I thought you were asking why its no longer a big subject in the media?

    If so, why are you concerned about what Marc Lee said about it?

    If environmentalists considered it a big issue wouldn't it be one?

    Now if the NDP were polling around 30% I'd say yes, the "Axe the Tax" campaign has hurt them, but they aren't, so it hasn't.

    Look at the Mustel polls over the last 4 years. In all of them the NDP was polling far lower than the results it got in the last election. And that was before Campbell even dreamed of the carbon tax.

    Methinks you're trying to make a point but don't have any data to back it up so you're flailing.

  • vancurber

    2 years ago

    Don't have kids

    Couples who both work and pull down only $48000 shouldn't have kids. Full stop.

  • Frank

    2 years ago

    ??

    I guess that means people shouldn't have kids until they're in their 40s.

  • realisticman

    2 years ago

    Garth

    EDITED FOR PERSONAL SNIPING. -- TYEE MODERATOR

    Frank deserves a beer.

  • Wilfred Laurier

    2 years ago

    Quarryisms

    Aka Secret Cove spouts his wisdom to the great benefit of all the Faithful:

    "The internal polls that Bill Teileman talked about are true,this has confirmed the big spending announcements in those ridings....Nanaimo--Maple ridge--Surrey--The backing off of the prison in Burnaby-....."

    Good one, Teileman ran the NDP campaign in Point Grey and was again flummoxed.

    "Your going to get a big surprise on may 12th"

    Har, har on that one. I predicted 50-35 and I was right on.

    Campbell thinks he can overcome this with billions in spending,it will backfire,
    it won`t lure NDP voters or Green voters,but it will offend conservative voters.

    Just like the bi-elections, 55 NDP seats-1 independent--29 liberal seats

    "Cheer up Frank,this election is in the bag for the NDP."
    LMAFO!

    "You will have to wait a couple of months before stories come out critizing the NDP(after they are goverment)"

    Just when might that be, Quarry? Judging by how bad a campaign you ran, never!

    "Wilfred--The NDP are going to win the election,despite the greens sandbagging,
    despite the media spin,despite the phoney Ipsos and Mustel polls"

    Both these polling organisations were bang on, Quarry

    "He knows the election is over!"

    He does and he knows he won his third term.

    "MY prediction 50 NDP seats
    Liberals 34 seats 1 independent
    Cheers-Eyes Wide Open"

    "NA NA NA NA Na, --Can you understand that?Is that on your level,or should I dumb it down a little bit?"

    No, Quarry, that is dumb enough,

    "The green vote is breaking towards the NDP
    and Wilf Hanni will elect an extra 6 NDP candidates......."

    Doesn't deserve comment, really.

    "80% of ALL VOTERS say that Campbell is NOT HONEST OR TRUSTWORTHY..."

    Well, 46% voter for him. Last time I checked there was no such thing as 126%.

    "My prediction,THE OUTCOME,bet the farm,call it a lock,........Lets just say
    I have seen the internal polls...."

    What kind of poles? Barber polls? Fire polls? They certainly weren't election polls but I guess your delusions suit you.

    "The Campbell polling (ponzi scheme)is all but over........."

    Second term over, third starting.

    Next Angus Reid poll to be released tonight on CTV News (Bill Good hour)at 6.00pm.......

    "Rumour has it.......A 3 point NDP Lead...

    Next time quote some facts.

    "NDP 48 seats--Libs 36--1 independent....."

    The Party Sage has spoken. He is a great representative of all the

  • Fii

    2 years ago

    Wow

    Given how off topic some of the above comments have gone, doesn't surprise me one bit this whole child care thing remains forgotten.
    This province is a joke. Poor kids.

  • Martin Campbell

    2 years ago

    "The numbers are wrong"

    I asked a liberal candidate about the child poverty numbers - and how his party could possible defend BC being the worst province 5 years running for child poverty.

    Sit down for this reponse...

    Are you sitting?

    "The numbers that were reported out were wrong. If you take into account all the tax breaks and programs such as the rent subsidy BC is in a far better place than most provinces"

    My reply: So where does BC place when you factor in those numbers?

    BC Liberal candidate: "I don't have that information handy"

    My reply: How can you not have information at hand that would directly refute one of the most appalling and embarrassing statistics that is constantly being used against you?

    BC Liberal candidate: (blank silent stare)

    note - who knew statistics canada made so many mistakes? *eyeroll*

    note - he didn't get elected.

    Fool didn't even have office space that was accessible for the disabled.

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