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Everyone's a Looter in the London Riots
Whether driven by criminality or something more, we'll all take what we want from this riot.
London riot: simply a path to success for the impoverished? Photo by hozinja via Creative Commons.
The London riots should be no surprise. Nor should the reaction. The threat of popular uprising has worried ruling classes for thousands of years, and increasingly so in recent centuries.
After all, ancient Byzantium was periodically shaken by battles of the fans of the Red and Green chariot-racing teams. That tradition of sports-inspired violence runs unbroken, right up to the June 15 Vancouver riot.
Baron Haussmann, when he redesigned Paris around 1870, knocked down blocks of tenements to make his magnificent avenues. Those avenues were to ease traffic and to give the army a clear field of fire against its own citizens. It was too easy, after all, to barricade narrow alleys in the slums.
The same idea was behind the armories of New York City and other American cities. After the horrendous Civil War riots in New York, the state government built urban castles as the headquarters for National Guard units. But they would also be refuges for the rich if and when the underclasses rose again.
But race, not wealth, has provoked most North American riots. Detroit saw a ghastly race riot in 1943 that lasted three days before federal troops ended it. I well recall the Los Angeles Watts riots in the summer of 1965, which were put down by National Guardsmen. And I also recall the summer of 1963, when as a young member of the Congress of Racial Equality, I heard a black colleague tell a TV news reporter that Watts had a riot every weekend that the media never mentioned.
We in B.C. have seen our own riots: Vancouver in 1907 watched the Asiatic Exclusion League wrecking Chinatown, only to run into violently effective resistance from the Japanese on Powell Street. We have just passed the 40th anniversary of the Gastown riots of Aug. 7, 1971, which was really a police riot.
Fighting for a good TV
When the hashtag #londonriots suddenly began to trend on Twitter, one of the most common re-tweets was the observation that while Arabs were rioting for freedom, Londoners were rioting for an HD-ready 42-inch plasma TV. And before long, the media were pointing to social exclusion as the underlying cause of the riots.
No doubt that's true to an extent, though in June we saw at least one affluent young man trying to set fire to a police car. It may be that young men of a certain age are genetically programmed to sack cities -- if an enemy's city isn't available, their own will do.
But modern riots seem to reflect a given society's definition of its lowest and highest members. In the Arab nations, only the highest have had any power. Everyone else had to vote in rigged elections and keep their mouths shut the rest of the time. The Arab spring reflects the desire of the poor and middle-class for the power of the political elite -- the power of the citizen.
In the western nations, we emphasize the consumer over the citizen. Success, after all, is little more than having the money to buy lots of very good stuff. We make celebrities out of billionaires. We define a movie's success by the millions it brings to its actors and directors. We base our hopes for the Canucks on the millions we see spent on its players.
Yes, it's too bad that folks don't turn out to vote. But it's really terrible when they don't turn out to buy. The current financial crisis boils down to the failure of the masses to buy stuff.
'We can do what we want'
But this is not from lack of desire, only lack of money. If success is defined as a 42-inch plasma TV, then a riot is simply a path to success for the impoverished. As an op-ed writer in The Guardian observed, the London riot has taken place in "a country in which the richest 10 per cent are now 100 times better off than the poorest... social mobility is worse than any other developed country." And a BBC News item taped two young women, drinking looted rosé wine, who said they were "showing the rich we can do what we want."
What they really want, of course, is to feel themselves the equals of their fellow-citizens. Better said, their fellow-consumers of wine and electronics. They accept the status quo, except that they're not getting their share of it.
London Mayor Boris Johnson has explicitly rejected this thesis, preferring to find the riots' cause in mere criminality. Others will blame the rioters' blackness, or foreignness, or class. In short, like looters, we will all take what we want from the riots.
And when the fires are finally out, some of us will sit down to watch bad programs on our new TVs, and some of us will justify the hiring of more police, or pass new anti-immigrant laws, or march in the streets in support of equality. Life will go on, and so will the riots. ![]()




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Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
Wealth can not be created,
Wealth can not be created, only taken, and this has always been the reason for all riots, crimes and wars in history.
When we've lived in England from 1948 to 55 such events and horror stories were unimaginable, because people had some purpose to live and be productive.
Not "productive" in the present, false economic sense, "making money", but in trades, professions and occupations where they could see themselves as having been born with certain talents and being able to use them as human beings, not as machines and slaves..
Automation and the loss of the production potentials of peoples, with the destruction of trades and agriculture, have robbed people of becoming and living like human beings, born with and for some purposes.
The presently ruling economic theory has caused an incredible list of illnesses that have never existed before to any great extent, and the loss of human rights for the development and expression of life purposes, that could ultimately destroy civilization and the human race, falling into perennial wars and brutal dictatorships.
Economies based on false monetary values and at the mercy of market gamblers are the best recipe for self destruction.
And if we think that the British riots are bad, wait when the USA breaks out in riots and civil wars, with guns all over and in everybody's hands.
And, unfortunately, this is inevitable, unless the world wakes up and stops the crime wave by the present, international ruling class and its priesthood of so called "economists" giving them false rights, based on fraudulent, pseudo religious theories to legalize their crimes against logic and humanity.
Ed Deak.
Van Isle
41 weeks ago
2 Points; While driving
2 Points; While driving around yesterday I heard Michael Campbell blathering on and comparing the Vancouver Stanley Cup riots to what is happening now in GB. What a bunch of Cods Wallop. I have been reading for about the last 30 years how the young males in the UK are being disenfranchised because there are no traditional jobs that they can get into like their fathers did. Those "traditional" jobs have been exported. Every item that I read over the years on the subject had the same ending; look out the shit is going to hit the fan.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
This is what happens when
This is what happens when faith based, artificial, imaginary values replace realities. As always have in history, destroying civilizations,
Happened in Rome. Not to the same extent with imports, as we have now, but with the importation of slaves, today's automation and "free trade", who have replaced the productive instincts and potentials of citizens, by "panem et circenses" "bread and circuses" we now have in the forms of fast foods and video games, etc. to take people's attention away from realities.
We're paying a heavy price already and the worst is still to come, unless humanity wakes up and start asking questions.
Any hope ? I don't know, but sure hope there's no such thing as reincarnation.
Ed Deak.
alive
41 weeks ago
broken promises!
When automation began, we were assurred that this would free up mankind from tedious, repetitive jobs and allows us all more sparetime to enjoy life.
It would seem that promise has been conveniently forgotten, and instead the saved wages goes directly into the pockets of a few rich people.
Meanwhile the rest of us have to pay more taxes to help support all the people who now are without work as a result of this automation.
Yes, we have bread and circuses!
And we have voters who are so brainwashed they think the country is in a crisis, when all that is happening is that the rich are figthing over who shall be the richest!
Jerry Munro
41 weeks ago
The Meek Do Not Inherit The Earth...
One man's profit is another's looting. In class warfare the same principle applies: No respect for the working class and its poor begets no respect for the ruling class and those who serve and otherwise get a bigger share from its rule.
Some will rob you, out of rage and desperation, as on the streets of England and all Europe right now, while others in higher and wealthier places rob the lower orders with their pc's and ballpoint pens. Disrespect and treating with contempt begets the same... sooner or later, as is now occurring on these mean streets of England. No peace for the working class and its poor begets class warfare, and no peace for the ruling class and their friends.
You can put your money down on that sure bet.
We are in a new stage of capitalism everywhere globally, ushered in by the neo-liberal economics and political extremist conservatism of the ruling class and its minions since the late 1970's. Suck it up. As ye sow, now shall ye reap.
A new direction to society and the economy, and our notions of "democracy", what it really is and is not, is desperately needed. And rather than more political elites through new vanguard parties, what is needed is... the power of the people to be organized and set in motion, and self directed to rooting the ruling class out of their positions of privilege. And as part of that, the laying down as we go of a new, more co-operative, equal, and truly democratic order of things within the economy and across all the levels of human societies.
What is has returned to this same place one too many times across its history, since its 18th century founding. And it won't go easily, without a little heavy lifting, pushing and shoving by the masses. :-) The meek do not inherit the earth, they get used as doormats by the ruling class. :-)
snert
41 weeks ago
This isn't a popular uprising.
It's just something to do between soccer matches.
Skywalker
41 weeks ago
Good One Crawford.
It was dead on and provocative.
cboo44
41 weeks ago
Judging Character
I've always found that people's characters can be judged by their actions while unencumbered by any restrictions. Certainly not by the lame excuses for unacceptable behavior that is trundled out by do-gooders. Just how "mis-treated and mis-understood" can a rioter/looter/thief/violent assault perputrator be?
OhCanada
41 weeks ago
And the consequences are...
cb044 your comment is just lame and sounds character judging. You should really think before you speak.
Behind every action there is history.
People don't become looters, rioters and thieves by birth. Many of them are desperate and they expressing themselves the way they learned it from their drugged, alcoholic parents. Society gives little thoughts to those lesser fortunate. And is also quick to pass judgement.
Society will reap what they sow.
Baby bommers wanted freedom - now their kids have it - they are the ones rioting on the streets of Europe and North America. These kids learned a lot about self-esteem - they are full of it - and learned nothing about respect, moral and ethics. What society did is raised a bunch of narcissistic young adults - the worts kind really. Inequality has grown exponentially, hope for a better future, better lives for many is simply out of reach.
This is something that the older generation has created for the younger generation. Society is slowly dismantling itself unless people wake up and demand equal rights, clean up the criminals from parliament and brings back democracy. A society of very rich and very poor with no middle class will only create revolution. It is just a matter of time.
Deep inequality is brewing in England for years. Along with inefficient government policies and immigration that seems is without any plans whatsoever. But there is a Queen - living in luxury while the rest suffers.
The riot should be no surprise to anyone really.
carfreecity
41 weeks ago
a working class hero is something to be
i am ok with burning automobiles, i hate these things
class warfare has been save happenin for eons
advertisers create the need for all the loot
god save the Queen
lynn
41 weeks ago
Unacceptable Behavior Incorporated
Quote:
"Just how "mis-treated and mis-understood" can a rioter/looter/thief/violent assault perputrator be?" ~cboo44
Why, cboo44, surely you know, looting, thievery, violent assault has been made legal through corporate-biased legislation all over the world? The historical territory of kings, queens and the powerful elite has just been modernized and updated, that's all. When the elite riot now, they use public relations firms. It's all done on the grandest hush-hush scale, conducted as surreptitiously as possible, so that the thief and the assaulter are not easily identified.
Their riots are made of sneaky, deregulated stuff ...and "unencumbered by any restrictions" these elitist corporate cat burglars - quietly, quietly, nicely, nicely, screw us all. Sometimes not so nicely. In those cases not wanting to get their suits wrinkled, they contract out the dirty stuff, the really violent physical thuggery to police, military and mercenary forces alike.
We live in a a global corporate culture of legalized unacceptable/corrupt behavior - legalized theft, legalized thuggery, legalized murder.
The banality and invisibility of this kind of real evil leaves the disenfranchised nothing to openly fight against day after day.
It's deeply felt but it can't be clearly seen or identified.
Until one day something breaks the phantom fortress open.....
Darcus Howes take on the UK riots (and a disrespectful BBC newscaster is put in her place):
http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/video/metrotube/939452--one-man-s-take-on-the-u-k-riots
mopled
41 weeks ago
Rioting for ‘justice’ in London
From Al Jazeera:
"Broken windows and looted stores across London after a police killing became a tipping point for disenfranchised youth.
On Saturday, hundreds of people gathered outside the Tottenham police station, peacefully calling for “justice” for Mark Duggan, a man killed by officers three days prior.
Police stood in formation, separating the community members from the station they were guarding, until a 16-year-old woman reportedly approached an officer to find out what was going on.
According to a witness account, some officers pushed the young woman and drew their batons.
“And that’s when the people started to retaliate. Now I think in all circumstances, having seen that, most people retaliate,” said the witness.
The “retaliation”, from peaceful chants of “justice” in front of the police station, have since turned into massive groups of Londoners in numerous parts of the city who seem unafraid of breaking windows, looting stores, and burning buildings, doubtless causing millions of pounds’ worth of damage."
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/08/10/guardian-aljazeera-set-straight-corporate-media-lies-london-riots-53711/
So, the riots were sparked by a police murder of an unarmed Black man and the brutalization of a white female sixteen year old protester.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/08/08/scrubbed-explosive-bbc-london-riots-interview-violence-sparked-by-police-beating-girl-52682/
Jerry Munro
41 weeks ago
"So, the riots were sparked
"So, the riots were sparked by a police murder of an unarmed Black man and the brutalization of a white female sixteen year old protester." mopled.
And thus it is, that a social firestorm is so easily lit, when the fuel is already well present and the sparking event is struck.
Get ready for it all around the world, throughout capitalism. .. the creation of such coming events. Though each will, of course, have its own specifics. It has all been being prepared by developments within capitalism since Margie Thatcher, Reagan, Bill Bennet and Mike Harris.
Now, it is time to reap the whirlwind.
The tension fuel is there and being added to constantly in these days throughout the social order. It's bursting into flame, here and then there, and is virtually unavoidable. The "excuses" will be legion, as the system seeks to shift the blame from itself to its victims.
But the ruling classes of England, all Europe, and in good time here, are all now beginning to sound like the despots of the Middle East attacking their own. We will all be just criminals and thugs in our rage... to them.
The sad part of it is... while I understand its roots, it is not enough to burn and loot. Though it seems that this is a stage it will all have to pass through, more or less. But in the end, "the people", and it seems particularly "their young", will have to organize their own power and direct it against ruling power structures and their institutions/enterprises, in a way that transforms, democratizes and rebuilds anew, rather than merely destroys. A "negative" that stays simply so overlong, burns itself out too, or is extinguished by even more brutal oppression. It takes a negative linked with a positive for a more creative energy charge to send through society and its economy. (It is NOT "their" economy. They, the ruling class, would only have you think that it is.) This is the next stage of it all... the people organizing their power "positively".
Meanwhile, this is simply unavoidable for now. Positive only in the sense that it is the beginning, foretelling what is coming.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
All ruling classes in
All ruling classes in history received their stealing and mass murdering rights from religious, ideological and economic theories, licencing their criminal actions.
All on record, but conveniently forgotten by following generations and their priesthoods, incl. now the Priesthood of the Almighty Money God, who exists in and gives His orders in computer figures, licencing the biggest crime wave in history.
What the reports never mention is that many billionaires and the corporate mafia have been and are causing far more destruction of properties, lives every day, than the hooligans shown on TV.
That's because our great "conservative" economic accounting system has no debit, only benefit columns and so the public is being led by the nose to follow them to hell.
Ed Deak.
morechatter
41 weeks ago
Will Canadians take to the streets?
There is plenty of changes coming Canadians way as the times are going to be harder than every before. Harper's got hard times in the works.
Someone has to pay the price and of course it is those who can least afford to pay at all.
As Flathead messes with the books.
morechatter
41 weeks ago
Yes, hard times are a coming
Especially for those out of work. And if your counting on big corporations to come along and hire you all back to work you are sure to be disappointed after the fall.
Bailey
41 weeks ago
Similar fractures
I really don't think there is very much difference between the different riots we are seeing proliferate across the globe. Mr. Deak describes the process of ruining a currency, Jerry Munroe describes a likely result
In Africa, deeply entrenched cultural corruption, baksheesh and it's equivalent have become so well concentrated in the hands of the puppets, that little of the fruits of the corporatized industries that have created that concentration remains in circulation.
The money there is, and there is a lot of it, sticks to the hands of high officials, fails to create new industry accessible to ordinary families, who find themselves completely unable to build improving lives with hope and decency and a secure future for coming generations.
The hopeless, see clearly exactly where their hope is going, and feel quite justified to take unruly action at will.
The British riots seem to have exactly the same origin. Thatcher gave away the public infrastructure the society depended upon to bind the people together in common causes. The 'political donation' type of bribe, which permits the wholesale looting, the economic "bailouts" intednded to replace the looted funds are themselves looted in their turn. Deeply corrupt public servants who leave office much richer than they entered it,
Meanwhile thousands and thousands live without the hope all that concentrated currency might have funded, if it hadn't moved to Switzerland or Barbados and taken up residence there under assumed names.
Even the American rioting in the 60s was only about race because the disenfranchised here were largely of one race. A coincidence of history. Any group left so completely out of the hopeful future in a time of truly Nixonian corruption would have behaved exactly the same.
The British events of the last week seem to prove the point.
OwlRol
41 weeks ago
History repeats with tweaks (maybe tweets)
Somehow "Class" & associated conflicts disappeared from the common dialogue, especially in the mainstream media & the education system, over the past 40 years. Just politically incorrect & swept under the rug..
(Fortunately people like Jerry & Ed, or if you prefer, Naomi K. & the folks at Canadian Dimension, among others, have kept the term alive for the betterment of social analysis & progress.)
At the same time as class dialogue vanished, the disparity between the uber wealthy & the working poor expanded to near intolerable levels.
Bread & Circuses - Fast food & TV Sports - keep most of the "rabble" content, for a while, maybe years or even decades, but not very long.
So then the police & ultimately the military, Praetorian Guard or Gestapo & SS, move in, covertly or in full force, to "disappear" or make examples of the boldest opponents & terrorize the rest.
Even the French Revolution was not just made up of workers, but also lower ranking nobility & bourgeoisie, even as today's discontented include some analytic financiers & small business owners opposed to big corporate activities.
The British outburst is not just racial, religious or class driven, but unemployment & a general malaise, whether driven by false entitlement or a hopelessness of future prospects, stirs, mostly young people, to lash out periodically for change.
Suppressed rebellion or uncertain revolution, both hurt badly in the short term, some create improvements over time, while others create a backlash that make things worse.
Perhaps the wildcard is the rapidly changing technology. Flash mobs on various media make policing near impossible without the use of Orwellian tactics.
But even more significant, as people see how others live, is the need & desire for egalitarian justice.
Some starve while others live in obscene opulence, and as Lynn pointed out, football hooligans, drug users and petty criminals go to prison for a long time, while much very harmful corporate malfeasance goes undetected, unchecked or even cheered on.
Riots grow out of essentially unfocused frustration and discontent, alcohol or testosterone catalyzed or not, and tougher laws or sentences do little except to postpone solving the essential problems.
But they look good to audiences that want simple & quick fixes, like so many dead gladiators.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
The wild card is bank
The wild card is bank deregulation that permits banks to "create" money from the air, licencing colonization, extortion, grossly overcapitalizing the economy, depriving people from making decent living, plus , at the same time, get into deep debt.
The credit limits on credit cards increase every year, without any attempt to find out whether they can pay?
Overcapitalization was strongly warned against in old economics textbooks, when we still had some form of democracy, and the general advice was 1 wage year investment in a job. Today we have, even in the forest industry, 70-80 wage years invested in a job, necessitating huge resource waste to pay for it.
What the "ruling class"- yes there is one and always has been- controlling the media and governments never mention is that all forms of investments are debts and liabilities the public has to pay back and foreign investment is a foreign debt, depriving people from legitimate earnings.
The $1.3 trillion private debt reported in Canada should also be accounted into the national debt, because on the long run we all have to pay for it in various forms.
Everybody pays for everybody else on the long run. There are no such persons as the "users", as claimed by ideologues and miseducated economists.
Also, the gap between the highest and lowest paid has been debated for thousands of years, even by Plato, and usually set at 10 times, which was, more or less the norm also here in Canada until the 70s, but now has become an obscenity, ignored and even supported by so called "economists", who should know a bit about history and the inevitable, often repeated consequences, including the French and Russian revolutions, that caused great damage and bloodshed , but solved nothing.
"Cogito ergo sum" "I think therefore I am", as stated by Descartes almost 400 years ago, but still has to be comprehended by our politicians and economists, licking the feet of criminal "ruling classes", regardless of the colour of the flags they happen to be waving as matters of convenience.
And I have lived under all of them and spent a lifetime recognizing them for the predators they are.
Give them the licence offered by any ideology, and the same people will come up to the top every time, which is simple psychology and nothing else.
Ed Deak.
Jerry Munro
41 weeks ago
Democracy I
"Riots grow out of essentially unfocused frustration and discontent, alcohol or testosterone catalyzed or not, and tougher laws or sentences do little except to postpone solving the essential problems.
But they look good to audiences that want simple & quick fixes, like so many dead gladiators." Owlrol
First, excellent analyses by Owlrol, Bailey and Ed Deak. But it is a very important issue raised by Ed that I most want to address... this issue of "the same people rising to the top", historically certainly true under every class social form known to me... Which includes the old Soviet and current Red Chinese regime models no less.
Though because Ed is correct, and this has been true, I am not convinced that it follows necessarily as inevitable. At least I disagree that this "need" be true in its "out of control" form, as has indeed been the case in all hitherto "class based" socio-economic models, including current capitalism.
While it may seem painfully slow to some of us, the fact is, "the working masses" do learn, both in technical and labour proficiency terms , and in their understanding of society and their particular condition within it. (Though we in our greater numbers doubtless do feel some hopelessness around what can be really done about it.) About which it is also necessary to keep in mind, that the ruling class, through its control over all the material and "ideas" elements of our lives, works mightily and with fear driven dedication, to ensure that the "average" level of understanding remains low, in terms of the issues of philosophy, economics and power. At the same time, keeping us most focused on issues of obedience, reading, writing and arithmetic at strict levels that best serve "specifically" the needs of the work place or capitalist enterprise. We of the working class are treated as and encourage to remain simply a "tool", an arms, legs and brain processor extension of the production and services needs of the ruling class controlled economy.
But which need not necessarily remain so, in my view, given true democracy within the economy and the political structures of society. organized specifically to include us, of the Great Unwashed. And it is such a democracy, that everywhere and at each stage includes a veto power to the people, the right to elect and recall our own at majority levels, and decide all the "major" issues of the economy and society, that is the best guarantee that these "same types" as do indeed keep tending to rise to the top, will be firmly controlled. Which must include serious means of popular control over them, and speedy removal where required.
Continued next post...
Jerry Munro
41 weeks ago
Again Democracy...
Continuing from previous post...
In any case, "risk" is and will likely ever remain with us, no matter what. Aberrant behaviour is a fact of life, hopefully diminished over what is now. People will need ever to remain vigilant against them, there is no way around it, and have the democratic means to speedily and firmly deal with them, as they become exposed. There are no "absolute" guarantees in life however. It is mostly a matter of raising our working class level of understanding enough, that we can be our own ruling class.
Intelligent and strong people are likely needed in the economy and other levels of society... allowing that the firm means and structures are in place for quickly dealing with them, when, if and as they get off the rails, and over serving their own interests.
In any case, a real and seriously widespread and "all inclusive" democracy, including we of the working class as its pivotal authority and power, is the key to such a "different" future, from all that has gone before. Which must be rooted both within all the enterprises of the economy, and the other political superstructure elements. Without which, Ed is indeed right, about the hopelessness of real change. Though about which, I disagree with him. It need not be as bleak as he portrays... in my view.
Democracy. Again, democracy is the key.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
Jerry... I grew up as an
Jerry... I grew up as an ultra conservative fascist, so I know how and what they think and work, but woke up to the crime waves of history, when I was lying in bed for 3 months as an 18 year old wounded "veteran", and then stood by an operating table, holding the legs of about 100 victims, as they were amputated and reamputated, often covered with blood from head to toe.
Never stopped since then to fight against all forms of dictatorships and all would be ruling classes.
The only way democracy and global cooperation, not competition, can work is by a knowledgeable public, interested in maintaining their independence and against all forms of oppression. Especially economic.
The purpose of "competitiveness" is the legalization of colonization, enslavement and destruction, rewarding the winners.
The degree of ignorance within our society is not only astonishing, but frightening, because people like dictators as they free them from thinking a decision making, leaving them time for "having fun".
At the same time, I also happen to be a perennial optimist, not only hoping, but absolutely certain of a worldwide awakening.
It may happen tomorrow, or 10 years down the line, the timetable of such events is unpredictable.
A friend just sent me the enclosed, showing which way the world is heading, all over, on every continent. Of course Europe has little or none democratic traditions, but what is the excuse in Canada ? Just watch what Harper has in mind.
Ed Deak.
Subject: Authoritarian regime takes shape in Hungary
The ideological basis for these reactionary measures can be found in the new constitution, which Parliament adopted in April. God, Christianity, king, crown and pride in the thousand years of Hungarian history are all rooted in its legally binding statutes.
The text refers to the “historic” heritage of Hungary. This “historical” heritage clearly refers to the dictatorship of Regent Miklos Horthy from 1920 to 1945. In a speech to the nation, Orban declared that the new constitution would end the period in which “Hungarians were systematically oppressed”.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/hung-a11.shtml
lynn
41 weeks ago
Real Life
"But in the end, "the people", and it seems particularly "their young", will have to organize their own power and direct it against ruling power structures and their institutions/enterprises, in a way that transforms, democratizes and rebuilds anew, rather than merely destroys. A "negative" that stays simply so overlong, burns itself out too, or is extinguished by even more brutal oppression. It takes a negative linked with a positive for a more creative energy charge to send through society and its economy. " ~ Jerry Munro
An important point. Certainly no positive 'solutions' will be found in capitalism where self-interest consistently trumps community.
Northumberland Park in Tottenham is known to be one of the most deprived areas in all of Europe - and to make it worse under the austerity program their council plans to cut 41 million pounds over the next three years with vast effects on public infrastructure.
In relation to the kind of sense of loss and hopelessness generated by these choices, it is amusing to watch our own media and economic pundits tip-toeing around any discussion of the fall of the stock market - so in fear are they of upsetting their imaginary beast of a god any further and setting their precious stocks and comfortable world tumbling once again. The words coming from their ever sophisticated mouths are "this is scary", "so upsetting", "we don't know what to expect next", "we are living in fear of what tomorrow will bring", "be careful what you say we don't want to start a stampede of withdrawal"
This is all said from their rather cushy seats in the gallery, with little awareness that for the disenfranchised this is daily life as they know it, only ramped up with much more personal danger, and more filled with risk and widespread hopelessness over what tomorrow will bring than any of these people could ever imagine on one of their imaginary stock-market-based 'bad' days.
We need solutions based on real practical life instead of the imaginary/funnymoney created by banks (as Ed Deak astutely comments on above). I couldn't believe it, I heard Allan Greenspan the other day saying again... and with utter confidence that the US's economic solution was an easy one - just create more money! I guess he didn't learn a thing while in exile.....)
Enough of imaginary solutions based on conveniently-imagined worth - we need real housing, real education, real and decent jobs with real benefits - a real sense of community that is there for people, especially in times of need.
Great article and discussion.
firefox007
41 weeks ago
Ed Deak's Spamming of The Tyee.
Ed Deak:
"Jerry... I grew up as an ultra conservative fascist,"
And now you're a spamming Communist; a friend of the Joseph Stalin & Maos of the world who kill anyone they please in the name of Socialism. The LAST thing any real democracy needs is ideologues; if you know what that means, 'cuz you are one.
I see, and everyone sees, we can't look at a comments section of any story @ The Tyee without reading the one-note, incredibly BORING spiel of this Communist, who hates every Government of Canada, and no doubt hates Canada too, unless the Communists & some latter-day Stalin is in charge!
[OFFENSIVE COMMENT REMOVED.]
Jerry Munro
41 weeks ago
Estote Parati!
"The only way democracy and global cooperation, not competition, can work is by a knowledgeable public, interested in maintaining their independence and against all forms of oppression. Especially economic." Ed Deak.
And around this above statement of yours, I am fundamentally agreed with you, Ed. You say it in a nutshell better than I.
I hope Tyee actually has the cajones to keep the piece by firefox007 up, directly above here... unedited. It demonstates the full fascist nature of what we are up against here. Their hate of us. And they will more and more come out of the woodwork, and be more threatening.
You are a good man, Ed. A thoroughly honest and capable one. And Lynn, my sister, also above.
"Enough of imaginary solutions based on conveniently-imagined worth - we need real housing, real education, real and decent jobs with real benefits - a real sense of community that is there for people, especially in times of need."
We are all going to need courage and a growing sense of solidarity going forward here, as the crisis of the ruling order rapidly approaches critical mass. As their system fails, they are going to become scared and filled with a sense of hopelessness themselves... such that even the wealthy will be afraid. Which will tend to make them unbelievably dangerous.
Estote Parati!
RickW
41 weeks ago
The Consequence of technology is unemployment.
Pure and simple. At the base of virtually all the demonstrations and riots is unemployment. What did the Egyptians demand when Hosni Mubarak was sacked? It was jobs. Years earlier, when Hamas was first elected in Gaza, one of the first demonstrations against the new government was the demand for jobs. The riots in England are no different.
Not too long ago, it was possible to make a living with a pick and shovel. Then along came the backhoe, where one person replaced 50 people and more. The pick-and-shovel crowd had to learn to build backhoes if they wanted work. Then the construction of backhoes became largely automated.
And so it goes. And so it will continue to go.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
Fire...I happen to be
Fire...I happen to be British trained and have a 45 year record fighting communism in ways you can't even imagine.
It is typical of the faithful that if anybody is not a so called "conservative", must be a "communist".
There's nothing in between, is there ?
I don't call myself a social democrat, but find it interesting, and significant, that both Stalin's Comintern and the neoclassical, neocon capitalists have declared social democracy as their greatest enemy, with literally millions of them jailed and dying in Stalin's gulags.
How do you like the kissing and bootlicking relationship between the idiot twins of Western capitalism and the communists in China ?
Great isn't it ? Filling our stores with "cheap" products that used to and could easily be made here.
Should the Chinese communists be permitted to come here, bringing our money back to buy up Vancouver, BC, and Canada with ?
Where is the "conservative" Mr. Harper on this racket, except asking for more ?
Ed Deak.
lynn
41 weeks ago
It has always been a
It has always been a privilege to read your comments here, Ed Deak, and to learn from the wisdom of your thoughts.
firefox007 is no doubt threatened by your call for " a knowledgeable public, interested in maintaining their independence and against all forms of oppression. Especially economic."
The world is a better place for you being in it, Ed.
Bailey
41 weeks ago
debate
I am also rather disappointed by the processes of firefox007. It seems a rather childish nom de plume, so perhaps he is a child.
Either way sir, you have made a passionate statement, in opposition to a writer who has presented a well reasoned and argued position. You need to show your work now.
Please tell us the reasoning that brings out this passion. Cite examples, experiences. Give your philosophy, and show how it would apply better to the issue under discussion than your opponents.
A little hint: "get lost you freak" is not an argument, and loses you points. If you want to join in, try a little harder and do better work than that. If you want to be taken seriously, anyway.
Passion is a good thing. It doesn't stand alone though. You need to show people what it's made of.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
Here's a very good example
Here's a very good example of how the public is being hoodwinked by special interest sectors, with governments cooperation, bent on jacking up their profits, without any care of how people may get hurt by their lies.
We have seen the same thing, the string of propaganda and lies under communism, showing how criminal systems work by stealing from the people, legalized by ideologically bent governments.
It makes no difference whether the fraud is being committed by big name corporations, or by ideologically bent crooks when the demand of both sides is for more power, which can be profits, or gulags for the non believers.
Ed Deak.
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=7EC06D27B1A945BE85E7DA8483025962
mopled
41 weeks ago
There seems to be more to the story
http://www.prisonplanet.com/insurance-giants-will-use-taxpayers-to-bailout-cost-from-uk-riots.html
"So who are the winners? One question one should always ask after any tragedy or event is “Qui bono?”, translated in latin it means, “who benefits” ?
Surprisingly, first in the line of winners will be… the insurance companies. Received wisdom would normally have it the other way around, but in today’s world where financial institutions make their profits private, and their losses public, it appears that once again, elites will receive a profit windfall from the state.
Grahame Trudgill, head of corporate affairs for the British Insurance Brokers’ Association (BIBA), has announced that insurance companies have the right to reclaim any money they have paid out, under the Riot Damages Act of 1886. What this essentially means is that due to the UK Riots, Britain’s police forces will face a bill for potentially hundreds of millions of pounds from the City’s insurance syndicates, because business policy holders’ properties were damaged in the rioting because the “police effectively failed to keep law and order”.
Yes you heard that right. We will be covering their costs."
realisticman
41 weeks ago
Who Pays?
We will be paying no matter what. Many insurance costs are ultimately spread through international syndication.
RickW
41 weeks ago
Ed
Kind of reminds me of Calvin's Chocolate-covered Sugar Bombs:
http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/Chocolate_Frosted_Sugar_Bombs
Fii
41 weeks ago
BUT...
Do people actually think there are real blueberries in those products?? (I hestitate to call them foods). Rule of thumb if you must shop at a grocery store: Do the periphery (produce, milk, eggs, fish, cheese), then get the heck out. The 14 aisles in the middle secion? NOT FOOD!!
ChelseaToronto
41 weeks ago
Stop Making Excuses
I grew up in an impoverished UK housing estate similar to the ones at the centre of the UK riots. The majority of the adults there were on welfare even though they were able-bodied and (at that time) there were many jobs to be had. Both of my parents worked hard, sometimes two jobs, even though many of their neighbours told them they were crazy to go to work when they could just live off the government. That was 30 years ago and while it's convenient to blame cuts, austerity measures, closing of youth centres, manufacturing moving to China, etc. for the current troubles, parents need to take at least some of the blame. My parents taught us that the world doesn't owe us a living, that life will always be unfair, there is no such thing as true equality, there will always be people richer than us, and we need to take responsibility for our own success or failure. Most importantly, they taught us that two wrongs never make a right and even if people are committing crimes all around us, we needed to comport ourselves with integrity and rise above it. Many of the kids who participated in rioting and looting have not been taught any of these lessons. Instead they have been raised in a culture of entitlement with parents who have told them from day one they don't have to take responsibility and it's foolish to work hard for prosperity. They believe that if they see a TV ad for a plasma screen then they deserve to have it by any means necessary. They believe that just because someone else has something, then they deserve it too. It's not that I don't understand their frustration. As a small business owner, I suffered greatly during the recent economic recession and seethed as the Wall Street bankers who caused it received bailouts. But that's life. It doesn't mean I'm going to go to New York and burn a bank or go steal some sweaters from H&M to get my revenge. I've read many interviews with the rioters/looters and not one has taken so much as an ounce of responsibility. Instead they just give a long list of excuses for their behaviour.
realisticman
41 weeks ago
ChelseaToronto
You nailed it mate!
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
There's very little
There's very little difference between the mentalities of the looters and the multinational corporate mafia going around the world, destroying local economies, communities and humanity with their insatiable greed and demands for unlimited power, handed to them by the priesthood of economists and corrupt governments.
When I was carpentering on the building of our local elementary school, in 1988, it was built for about 45 kids. Today it has 20, in danger of being closed down, that may force our local kids to sit in schoolbuses 3 hours a day .
Likely, up the road, used to have a thriving community, with a junior high. Now , I believe, they have 15 kids in the school.
Some 14 schools were closed in the Prince George area last year, for the lack of students, with people being forced out of their homes and into city dumps.
For the controllers of the economy to remain "competitive", of course, which means faster down the garden path to enslavement and self destruction.
What is the difference between professional welfare recipients and stockmarket gamblers "selling short", to steal more from more ?
What's the difference between capitalist "boards of directors" and communist "politbureaus", both set up to control and exploit people's lives ?
Ed Deak.
Ed Deak.
Conductor274
41 weeks ago
Gordon Campbell
The reason they're rioting in the streets is because Harper sent them Gordon Campbell as high commissioner to the UK. ;=)
All kidding aside it won't be long until we see seniors rioting in the streets. They are about to made the scapegoats for all the debt problems. Can you imagine the imagery of young soldiers and riot cops shooting and beating elderly people with guns and batons?
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
Remember when Mulroney
Remember when Mulroney wanted to de-index pensions and an old lady called him a liar in front of the Parliament and TV cameras ?
None of them tried it since then, although Manning wanted to do away with OAPs and replace them with RRSPs where people could put their "savings".
Sure with the public now $1.3 trillion in debt to "keep the economic going".
I wonder what his chief lieutenant Harper has in mind so he can give more money and of the country away to "wealth creating foreign investors"?
Ed Deak.
Jerry Munro
41 weeks ago
Firefox... 007
"A little hint: "get lost you freak" is not an argument, and loses you points. If you want to join in, try a little harder and do better work than that. If you want to be taken seriously, anyway.
Passion is a good thing. It doesn't stand alone though. You need to show people what it's made of." Bailey
Well said, brother Bailey. Well said.
Much of the Right here, I think, modestly contributes to the discussion by at least being useful discussion foils. :-) There are a few, such as realisticman, who even do quite well, presenting the status quo side of the equation.
But unfortunately, firefox007 is the more typical voice of that more extreme, lunatic Right that from time to time attempts, very badly, to score points in here. Theirs is the tar and feather approach to ideas discourse... though most of it merely splatters back over themselves and tars their own irrational views.
I can only assume that the 007 part of his moniker reflects a tendency to see himself as a kind of James Bond figure... fighting communism and evil in all its overt and closet manifestations. Okay, kind of makes sense. Though here, I'm afraid, with this approach, you will not get the beautiful, voluptuous nymphs clawing at your manly, hairless (?) body, and will have to be but content with wanking yourself off.
You are just too unattractive a James Bond action figure... totally. :-)
RickW
41 weeks ago
274
From Soylent Green:
"It's people. Soylent Green is made out of people. They're making our food out of people."
Jerry Munro
41 weeks ago
And then some, Rick and 274
"All kidding aside it won't be long until we see seniors rioting in the streets."
Ehhh, I'm a senior... and then some. And I intend to take part in the first riot I get an opportunity. These fucks have been chipping away at my pension and union negotiated, signed, sealed and delivered retirement benefits, such as health, for years now... and I intend to kick ass the first opportunity I get. And I ain't kidding.
Point me in the direction of the BC Liberal Party folks, or any major corporation of capitalism... and just watch what damage I can do with my cane. :-) And you think I'm joking? Just watch me.
Love, Peace and Revolution.
And I friggin' mean it.
We don't get more conservative as we get older, we get more revolutionary. It's you young whipper-snappers, too many of you anyway, what get sucked into kissing the system's ass. (I see you there in Earl's, sipping your insipid chardonnay.) :-)
Sockeye
41 weeks ago
Violence as the norm
The mainstream press calls the rioters thugs and losers to marginalized them because they dared lash out in violence, don't they know that that's the privilege of the elite? I have question for people on here why should these young people play by the rules? You have an elite that's involved in a immoral corruption scandal from hacking a dead girls phone. You have an elite that has bombed the shit out of two third world countries in the last ten years. You have an elite that is destroying the very fabric of civil society and you want these kids to play nice? WAKE UP!. It's because violence flowed up the hierarchy this time and that enrages the elite, they can't have that. They can't have the poor or the dispossessed flaunting the sanctity of private property rights. It's a sad state when society at large is outraged at the destruction of private property and completely silent when it comes to poverty, it's pathetic really and doesn't
Sockeye
41 weeks ago
give much hope to the future
give much hope to the future of UK society especially when the violence against the poor and dispossessed is normal to the point were people don't even see it anymore.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
Legalized violence and
Legalized violence and destruction has always been the part of "wealth creation" in a million years of human history.
Legalization always happens with religious, ideological and now with economic theories taught in our universities as "sciences".
There's no point in cursing politicians or their big business owners without going after the theories that empower and legalize their crimes.
Like that jerk in Texas, who claimed that it was his religion and God given right to have sex with little girls, or some BC billionaire who doesn't read anything else but the Bible and financial statements controlling the economies and lives of literally millions, obviously claiming divine rights.
What is so sacrosanct about the crap coming out of our universities that nobody dares to question it?
The "freedom of speech" definitely gives the professors the right to teach the garbage, but it also gives others the right to oppose and question it, with all the evidence proving their falsehoods and the destruction they cause with their economic theories at the intellectual levels of Hitler's racial and Stalin's "dialectic" theories.
With our PM's Masters Degree the best example, just signing another "free trade" agreement with sweatshop, no environmental protection Hunduras to please the Canadian manufacturers who run them
I wonder how much "personal donations" they give to the Conservative Party and the local dictator?
Ed Deak.
realisticman
41 weeks ago
Good Clip
Insight:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14516112
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
After all, the attackers
After all, the attackers have the defence that they haven't done anything more wrong than corporations, especially the multinational corporate mafia, are doing to millions, all over the world , every day, killing 30 million by starvation.
There was also the news that a number of workers won the 6/49 just after having been fired, because the plant they've been working in is moving to Mexico. Is this not robbery ?
Not in the "conservative" "competitive" mindset, loving Harper for signing a "free trade" racket with one of the worst sweatshop gangs?
Or as the then Executive VP of the Royal Bank, Edward Neufeld said it in a speech in Singapore on Oct, 18, 1991 :" It is in the national interest and makes sense for Canadian manufacturers to move to Mexico and cheap labour to remain competitive or perish,
and bring back the profits to repay investors".
This is basically the good "conservative" and "competitive" thinking used by the goons who robbed the student, the difference is that our "conservative" economist priesthood hasn't figured it out yet how to legalize the robbing of individuals as opposed to the robbing of the overall public.
Ed Deak.
realisticman
41 weeks ago
Please Convince Them Otherwise.
There are clothes and shoes and many other things still manufactured in Canada. Unfortunately, the majority shop by price.
Fiat lux
41 weeks ago
What do the figures of
What do the figures of artificial, imaginary monetary values represent today ? Realities, honest business practices, or criminal actions by the biggest crooks in history ?
The goons in London, and in Vancouver, broke into stores and stole the goods. The multinational corporate mafia buys the stores and steals the economies, wrecking people's lives. The sacked stores can be restocked, but how do you rebuild wrecked lives and economies, with the legalization
of sick ideologies and economic theories ?
Which is worse in the good "conservative" minds? The punks ob the streets, or the Bilderbergers, the Trilaterals, or the Fraser Institute praising the criminals?
I sold a manufacturing business once to develop our ranch
The good "conservative capitalist" buyer, opened a phony company on paper, bought the products of my business at bankruptcy prices and resold them at profit. Then he threatened that if I push him too hard he'll put my business into bankruptcy and I had to settle for 10 cents on the dollar, putting us into poverty for years.
That was a common theft of 22 years of often brutal work and development, yet, perfectly legal.
This is a common business practice, I didn't know about.
A good friend of mine used to be the warranty manager for Nissan when they were located in New West. He set up a new computerized system, when computers were coming in in the 70s and early 80s, but didn't go East, when the company moved.
He was asked to set up a similar system for a BC billionaire who owns several car agencies and hundreds of other businesses.
When he was finished with the work, the billionaire, he never met before, went to him, grabbed his hand with both of his, with tears in his eyes : "Tony, you don't realize how grateful I am ! Your work is saving me millions !"
Tony was fired the next day and replaced with some insider.
I've spent hundreds of hours in the offices, boardrooms and homes of the biggest business VIPs in Vancouver, in the 60s and 70s, listened and saw how they worked, stole, lied, cheated and ruined the lives of peoples.
Just love it when I hear bought politicians and ignorant, ideologically brainwashed people sing the praises of the biggest criminal wave and system in history, destroying the world with their theoretically licenced greed in the name of " competitiveness" and "conservativism", while condemning the stupid actions of small time hooligans.
Ed Deak.
lynn
41 weeks ago
Using fear as an opportunity to clamp down on human rights
It's interesting, too, how that condemnation of the rioters is being used to ramp up security measures in almost search and destroy tactics against those involved, initiating insane prison terms for the rioters' actions.....how very quickly the powers-that-be act against these retaliations in the streets while they largely ignore or deny their own criminal actions. Canada equally guilty in this regard.
As Ed Deak asks:
"The sacked stores can be restocked, but how do you rebuild wrecked lives and economies, with the legalization of sick ideologies and economic theories ?"
And yet despite the extremely tragic events in Norway their prime minister still managed to call for yet more democracy, re-stating the significance of maintaining and guarding their freedoms.
Which is the truly more civilized response?
lynn
41 weeks ago
Just to add : Not only the more civilized.....
but more brave response.
A response from strength of character, not out of the weakness of the need to control others.
OwlRol
40 weeks ago
Top end thievery mostly legal, not petty thievery
You nailed it Ed. Thievery happens at all class levels. Its just that the elite are better able to escape with it, be it increased profits in hostile corporate takeovers or offshore tax shelters, and the laws they helped to establish let them mostly slip through having to make truly fair contributions to the communities they operate in. Never mind the Rockefeller style tax written off, good neighbour smoke and mirrors.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, most people there wanted a truly egalitarian socialist system.
But what they got was a system where the former senior apparatchiks who controlled the resources became the owners of those same resources in a seriously corrupt capitalist system, where one no longer needed to line up for goods because few people could afford them.
Not so different in our system. Where did those trillions go? Many people, perhaps rightly so, blame the various governments of western nations that they live in, for mismanagement of natural and financial resources, but most of the that wealth disappeared into the private sector.
Interesting how big banks and corporations had to be bailed out, but not the average citizen. Now, a couple of years later, many CEOs are unabashedly reaping it in again while the middle and working classes are being hit with service reductions, added fees and wildly increasing rates on basic and even essential services.
Russian, mafia style money laundering anyone?
realisticman
40 weeks ago
The wise OwlRol
quote
"When the Soviet Union collapsed, most people there wanted a truly egalitarian socialist system."
That was what the Soviet Union promised. It was, after all, the 'Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'.
What they wanted was a CAPITALIST system, the opportunity to take a chance at working for themselves, with the rewards of that work being received by themselves.
Capitalism might be a nasty word in some peoples' eyes but that is what they all wanted; from Russia and on to Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Poland, Belorussia, etc., etc.
Are they going back? Well, the now have democracy and capitalism but not one of these countries; not ONE has voted to go back to socialism!
Fiat lux
40 weeks ago
Communism and capitalism are
Communism and capitalism are twin brothers, both run by the same predator classes .
I said to a stockbroker once in Vancouver that if there had been communism in Canada for the then past 50 years, the same people would be owning the villas in Shaughnessy and sit in the politburreaus.
He never spoke to me again, but now the former communist cadre owns the most villas and yachts on the Mediterranian and the standard of living in the East European countries is still below the Soviet era.
The Eastern countries of the EU are bought up by the West and 5 million farmers are losing their lands in Poland, not even the communists can do.
You see, some of us speak the languages and still have the contacts we used to wreck the Soviets with , so we know the real stories and not the propaganda crap burped up by the controlled media.
Those people didn't want capitalism, but a certain degree of freedom, but are losing it fast to capitalists. The only difference in exploitation are the methods . Instead of bayonets, they're now enslaved by imaginary capital.
On the other hand , what's the use to talk to the brainwashed faithful of any religion or ideology ?
Ed Deak.
Bailey
40 weeks ago
The use of talking to the brainwashed
Beliefs are made out of words. Language is a way of organizing metaphors into sequences that become meanings. Memes. Little discrete packets of idea, or maybe ideology, that act exactly like viruses, infecting everyone they meet through the ears or eyes. Then they live in brains.
They don't have to be direct contacts, it is still possible to be infected by ideas written down thousands of years ago by writers long dead.
This is the whole structure that is so famously acclaimed when we say some idea has 'gone viral' on Youtube or Twitter or something.
When you say something like :
"Communism and capitalism are twin brothers, both run by the same predator classes ."
you are reaching into the brains of thousands of people whose previous ruling ideas have been weakening for decades because of other ideas, the news, history, experience etc.
If your message starts to spread, and it can easily do that when people think and talk and write about it, it can under certain circumstances become an epidemic.
All you really need to do is attach a second tier message that completes the pattern. A truth, for preference. A profound one if possible, that leaves the mind of the vector with an image of a beautiful possibility.
When you speak about your life you do all those things sir. I believe that a whole lot of people are changed by the things you tell them, and I think that over time those small changes may lead to still greater changes in the way we all deal together.
G West
40 weeks ago
What 'they' wanted....?
What the people of the Soviet bloc wanted, and the reason why they permitted the USSR to self-destruct, was to chase the illusory 'image' of a particular 'kind' of corporate socialism which had taken root (and has now flowered and has begun to die) in the United States.
They 'bought' the ideal of a capitalist structure which has never existed - anywhere - for any length of time and which never will exist to benefit anyone but the same sort of Nomenklatura elite that kept the good vodka (and everything else) solely for themselves.
In fact, the disillusionment which today exists across much of what was once the Soviet Union is a direct consequence of the slow realization that idolizing the ‘American’ system was as much a false dogma as the ersatz ‘socialism’ of the Soviet years.
Funnily enough, the same pessimistic cloud is now covering the false promises and unfulfilled hopes of the American dream as well.
There is, however, a small hope for real change from the likes of Warren Buffett who, in an Op-ed in today’s New York Times, isn’t afraid to tell it like it is.
Perhaps, coming from such a source, it will attract some interest in an otherwise purblind audience.
Here's a link to Buffett's thoughts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1&hp
By the way, it's not the thuggish rioters who've been coddled - it is, as Buffett suggests, the rich and folks just like Boris Johnson and David Cameron...to mention just a couple....
Bailey
40 weeks ago
Where L=lamp posts and P=crooked officials
It;s an interesting article by Mr Buffett, but I couldn't help wondering whether his sudden eagerness to pay the taxes and accept the regulations his ilk have corrupted our public service to avoid might not have more to do with an astute analysis of recent events in Africa and the Middle East and a comparison of the relative capacities of different populations to punish corruption when aroused to the point of action.
After the second world war, the harshest treatment of the rich was found in Scandinavia, where wealth pretty much had to be the result of some kind of collaboration with the criminal enemy. They really really did not like millionaires there then.