Opinion

Cancun, and more Consequential C Words

Considering climate change, Copenhagen, Cochabamba, the coming calamity, and most controversial: capitalism.

By Michael M'Gonigle and Louise Takeda, 29 Nov 2010, TheTyee.ca

The Letter C

There seems to be something about the letter C and climate change.

Last year, it was Copenhagen. This week, it's Cancun. And in between it was Cochabamba. And it's not just the venues, but the outcomes. Copenhagen was all about political confrontation and the collapse of hope. This year we must wrest the conversation from the constrained voices of timid governments and change the terms of discussion. Doing so is vital to our very survival. Here is how that can be done.

Copenhagen

As everyone remembers, last December's climate conference failed to arrive at a binding agreement for atmospheric reductions of carbon emissions. It didn't come close to considering commitments at a level and pace of reduction that might hold global temperature increases within a range that wouldn't "cook the earth" (as Bolivian President Evo Morales put it).

To the demonstrators barricaded outside the negotiations, and delegates from the developing world excluded inside the negotiations, the conference was a catastrophe. The hastily stitched together Copenhagen Accord was an exercise in PR and power politics. But it secured the real goal of the big players, the U.S. and China, to avoid the menace of a really big C: commitment.

Cancun

Now there is another go at it, a conference of the parties to the Kyoto Protocol (COP16) starting this Monday and running for two weeks. Delegates from 194 countries and associated activists and newsies, expected to total around 15,000, will burn tons of jet fuel to join the gathering at the Cancun Messe and Moon Palace Hotel. (With that name, the latter is particularly apt for such a get together. As the old joke goes about a restaurant on the moon -- great food, no atmosphere.)

Unfortunately, there's not much hope for the atmosphere, nor for palatable progress, at Cancun. Not wanting to risk the embarrassment of disappointing outcomes again, the meeting has been massively downplayed. World leaders are staying home, leaving the trip to their ministers.

With Obama unable to move any legislation through a Republican-dominated Congress, and a China in hyper-drive, the two biggest emitters aren't proposing anything new. Even the EU's comparatively tough stance -- a promise to cut emissions by at least 20 per cent of 1990 levels by 2020 -- falls far short of the 45 per cent minimum cut, which the latest science says is needed by 2020 to hold down the planet's rising fever.

The main sticking points are, of course, the economic burdens that such an agreement would impose, and who should pay for them. For the global South, it's the North's fault. They got rich at the earth's expense; now they have to pay for healing it. For the rich North, it's a global problem, and everyone should take the hit -- including rapidly growing southern economies like China, India and Brazil. Rather than cutting their emissions, the industrialized nations talk mostly about turning the exercise into a new investment game of earning carbon 'credits' through dodgy "green" projects in the South.

Cochabamba

Never heard of it? Well, that's no surprise, even though it was probably the largest meeting of the bunch, with 30,000 participants descending on the Bolivian city at the invitation of the country's radical President Evo Morales.* This was not a UN meeting, but a "World's People's Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth" held last May in response to the failure of Copenhagen.

With a conference title like that, you can guess how few world leaders or cabinet ministers turned up. But lots of real people came. This was a reflection of the main difference between the two conferences. Copenhagen was about the effects of climate change; Cochabamba was about the causes. As the placards floating above the sea of demonstrators in Copenhagen had demanded: "System change not climate change."

And Cochabamba didn't mince words, demanding a serious global dialogue about, and action on, the main cause of climate change (another big C word): capitalism.

Oops -- now there's a conversation stopper, even at the best of times. With the world focused on rescuing capitalism from its own unstoppable excesses, no one wants to talk about the global economy's self-destructive contradictions.

Except the delegates at Cochabamba.

"The capitalist system," they stated in their People's Agreement, has imposed on us a logic of competition, progress and limitless growth. This regime of production and consumption seeks profit without limits, separating human beings from nature, and imposing a logic of domination upon nature, transforming everything into commodities...

"Under capitalism, Mother Earth is converted into a source of raw materials, and human beings into consumers and a means of production, into people that are seen as valuable only for what they own, and not for what they are."

Eschewing capitalist values, the Cochamba Agreement drew on the indigenous concept of "Buen Vivir" or "living well." In contrast to Western notions of progress, it stresses the satisfaction of needs rather than luxury, community health rather than private accumulation, and harmonious relations with our surroundings rather than development and modernization.

The Cochabamba Agreement was loaded with specific proposals: an international climate tribunal to prosecute those that pollute and provoke climate change, full recognition of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, amendment of the Kyoto Protocol to require developed countries to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions to 50 per cent of 1990 levels by 2020, and rejection of "false market solutions" such as carbon trading and offset mechanisms that allow industrialized countries to keep polluting while investing in environmentally and socially-damaging projects in the South.

Cochamba spoke to new, more diverse, and more localized economies as well as the need for a profound shift to sustainable models of agriculture. And the potential in just this one sector is arguably huge. Research suggests that a global shift to organic agriculture on the earth's 3.5 billion acres of tillable land could reduce current carbon emissions by nearly 40 per cent.

At the insistence of southern countries like Bolivia and Venezuela, many of these proposals actually made it into the massive working text in Cancun. But good luck trying to get them past the lobbyists from agribusiness, multinational forestry, global finance...

Collision

Ecuador, Bolivia and many other small countries vocally opposed the injustices of the Copenhagen Accord. In reaction, the great orator of social Change and political Can-do, President Barack Obama, promptly cut aid funds that had previously been allocated to those countries. Morales responded to his country's loss of $2.5 million by offering Obama $2.5 million if the U.S. would sign the 20-year-old Kyoto Accord.

With such bitter divisions, we can't expect much from Cancun. A leaked memo from the White House revealed that the U.S. won't drop the political protection of the Copenhagen Accord. Even the Copenhagen commitment to provide $30 billion in adaptation funding to poor countries between 2010-12 isn't being met. Only 10 per cent has been expended so far, much of this on boondoggles that the developed countries unilaterally decided were investment worthy.

As to the effectiveness of voluntary commitments, the European Commission reported in June that voluntary commitments represented a real reduction of carbon emissions of just two per cent based on 1990 levels. And these don't even include the embedded emissions from all the stuff imported from China and other places. Meanwhile, it's been reported that greenhouse gas emissions actually dropped for 2008-09, the year of the "great recession." (Hmm... is there possibly a link here?) But, thankfully, growth and emissions are now back up, the latter expected to reach record levels for 2010. What a relief!

The stage is set for a collision between evidence and ideology, between social justice and economic power, between planetary opportunity and state intransigence. As American cultural theorist Frederic Jameson remarked, it is easier to envision the end of the planet than the end of capitalism. We are suffering from a deadly lack of imagination.

Most obvious is the obsession with "market mechanisms" that try to price all aspects of nature. High on the priority list is REDD -- Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Degradation. This program may sound good but has been widely condemned as ineffective while encouraging land grabs. Then there are the carbon offsets that keep wealthy fliers guilt-free for $15 a trip, carbon trading schemes that return big profits to Wall Street, and carbon taxes set at politically beneficial, but environmentally meaningless, levels. One of the worst examples is the UN's Clean Development Mechanism which invests offset dollars in such 'green' endeavours as a massive hydro-electric dam complex that will convert one of the world's last great ecosystems, the Mekong, into an 'organic machine.'

As Fritz Schumacher, a pioneer of ecological economics and author of Small is Beautiful, lamented, we tinker endlessly inside the operating system of planetary destruction, but we don't even know how to talk about getting outside of it.

Another C: Columbia

As in British Columbia, or even the District of Columbia. In the South, they are talking about getting outside the old economy, from Cochabamba to Cartagena. But in the North, it's silence and whispers.

That has to change, here and in every northern capital, like Washington D.C. Climate change is not only a physical or even an economic challenge, but a challenge to a democracy that is increasingly notable for what it can't do than what it can.

Consider the constricted discourse that prevents any real discussion on the trap of (shhh... capitalist) dependence on growth and commodification. A few brave souls tip-toe around the word with more palatable terms like 'de-growth'. However expressed, the reality is that there is no hope of escape from our planetary momentum without a whole bunch of folks willing to confront the evidence, and the power of denial, and admit that the emperor has no clothes.

In fact, the whole imperial court is due for a refitting. And it will demand smart tailoring as we are all part of that court. It's not hard to see. Want a nice retirement? Then you expect nice returns on the capital invested in your pension funds. That's growth, and it has to come from somewhere.

Our democratic deficit is most damaging in the timid monopoly of 'liberal' discourse. Protecting itself behind the false premise of a more responsive operating system, this discourse legitimizes as reformable an economic growth machine that knows no reforming; in so doing, it inherently delegitimizes those who do speak to the evidence, and the alternatives. In trying to get some control of over this machine, the South needs allies in the North who can change the conversation from this side.

One of the most powerful movements at Cancun is the peasant-based Via Campesina. Its alternative conference at Cancun, The Global Forum for Life and Environmental and Social Justice, will focus on small-scale and diverse solutions in contrast to the unremitting march of carbon-emitting, neoliberal globalization. As you read this, a farmers' march is converging on Cancun.

But what they also want, now and in the days and months ahead, is for "thousands of Cancuns" the world over to explain the false solutions that dominate acceptable discourse in the North, and promote "thousands of people's solutions to climate change."

And this call is being taken up. In Vancouver, a mass direct action is planned at the Waterfront Skytrain Station to protest the forces that cling to profits from the fossil fuel economy and support the building of freeways instead of public transit.

The voices of Cochabamba and the South need to be heard and articulated here, in B.C. and D.C. But what that conversation will really demand is the most important C word of all.

Courage.

*Story updated at 12:10, Nov. 30, 2010.  [Tyee]

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  • Urbanismo

    1 year ago

    Cancun has been chosen

    Cancun has been chosen because it is a great place to relax in the Sun at our expense.
    This AGW non-debate is becoming tiresome. Why are you so tirelessly promoting it? We are turning into Collodi's donkeys.
    "Cochabamba. Never heard of it?" Well . . . errrr . . . yes I have. I have been there: pretty little mountain town but it is not Bolivia's capitol! La Paz is!
    And most everything else in this diatribe is wrong!
    "The voices of Cochabamba and the South need to be heard and articulated here, in B.C. and D.C. But what that conversation will really demand is the most important C word of all. Courage."
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17826
    Indeed more and different voices need to be heard for maybe the C word is Con job!

    [COCHABAMBA IS NOT THE CAPITAL OF BOLIVIA. IT IS THE CAPITAL OF THE COCHABAMBA DEPARTMENT OF BOLIVIA. NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT THE AUTHOR INTENDED BUT WE'VE CHANGED THAT LINE FOR ACCURACY. THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP. -MODERATOR.]

  • mopled

    1 year ago

    Chemtrails aka Persistant Contrails, begin with C too!

    "Going under a variety of names – atmospheric geoengineering, weather modification, solar radiation management, chemical buffering, cloud seeding, weather force multiplication – toxic aerial spraying is popularly known as chemtrails. However, this is merely one technique employed to modify weather. The practice of environmental modification is vast and well funded."
    http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/case-orange-60-years-of-geoengineering-goes-into-hyperdrive-as-‘plan-b’/

    Tell me how dangerous CO2, the plant food is, compared to aluminum, barium and silica deliberately spewed from military transports
    poisoning earth, air and water.

  • Jeffrey J.

    1 year ago

    Welcome Back Prof. M'Gonigle!

    I am overjoyed to see Prof. M'Gonigle's essays in the Tyee. Like so many progressive authors, most British Columbians are unaware of M'Gonigle's pedigree. From his early legal work with Greenpeace co-founders, to his inspirational teachings at U.Vic, to his stunning book Planet U. All demonstrate courage and intelligence.

    Like Prof. Gutstein (Not A Conspiracy Theory), Prof. Chris Shaw (2010 Olympics: 5 Ring Circus), UBC Prof. Joel Bakan (The Corporation), Andrew Nikiforuk (Tarsands), the good old MSM, led by "fearless" CanWestGlobal and David Black, systematically boycotted these scholars for years.

    Such is how a once great democracy is converted into a monopoly capitalist gulag, good only for resource extraction, condo building, oil and gas drilling, with beads and trinkets doled out to the likes of Gordon Campbell and his LIberal ilk as a reward for delivering the goods.

    Just when we thought the corporate takeover was a fait accompli, enter David Beers and the Tyee. And Public Eye. And Rafe Mair. And Rabble.ca.

    Democracy is now bubbling up everywhere. And citizens are finally getting to read these great scholars.

    It can't happen soon enough, as time is indeed running out.

    Great coverage!

  • boondoggle

    1 year ago

    Total economic collapse our only hope

    Almost all democratic countries worldwide have been replaced with plutocracies and very few people have even noticed or care. Our only hope for change is massive resistance and that will only take place with organized, worldwide revolt in the face of our extinction. As the scientists point out, the longer we wait, the less likely we will be able to stop it. The inevitable total economic collapse is the only hope I see to wake the masses from their slumber and provide an opportunity to build a viable global solution. All who care should be doing everything within their power to bring the collapse on as soon as possible. It is a matter of our survival.

  • RickW

    1 year ago

  • mopled

    1 year ago

    C is also for CRAZY

    "Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world.
    Global warming is now such a serious threat to mankind that climate change experts are calling for Second World War-style rationing in rich countries to bring down carbon emissions", raves the headline in today's London Telegraph
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/ultra-elitist-environmental-group-halt-economic-growth-institute-rationing.html

    Of course it is all based on computer models shown to be nonsense by the the fact that in spite of a continuous rise in CO2, there has been no warming since 1998. Check the graph then read the article.

    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/11/kyoto-protocol-scorecard-cost-868.html

    Yes, thanks to internet journalism, like the Corbett Report, Democracy might be restored.
    Listen to really great scholar,Atmospheric physicist, MIT Professor of Meteorology and former IPCC lead author Richard S. Lindzen discuss the state of the climate change debate, the lack of evidence for catastrophic warming and what the science really tells us.
    http://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/2010-11-22 Richard Lindzen.mp3

  • Blake

    1 year ago

    Fools

    We are future thieves: robbing from the Earth, society, and the economy to feed an epidemic of narcissism and obesity which breeds anti-social behavior and will eventually bankrupt us all.

    So is it ridiculous to ask: will there be a future for our children? And, do we have the right to take away that future?

    --------------------------------------

    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    W.B. Yeats

    Human beings have so much knowledge it renders them fools.

    Ignorance and Want have drowned Reason and bullied Hope.

  • KWD

    1 year ago

    more C words

    “The main sticking points are, of course, the economic burdens that such an agreement would impose, and who should pay for them.”

    Any constraint or curtailment of capitalist coercion would certainly produce chaos. But the containment of capitalist casualties would not be consensual. The conspicuously wealthy are unwilling to confront and curtail the canons that control entitlement. That’s the conundrum.

    “The voices of Cochabamba and the South [that] need to be heard and articulated here, in B.C. and D.C.” will need more than courage. They will need to convince crusaders that the reformation will amount to more than a retooling of economic and political concerns and a shift of wealth.

    A “green’ approach to business as usual may reduce carbon’s impact on climate change, but that’s little consolation for the ongoing and conspicuous loss of social prosperity that occurs when too many try to share too little.

  • sunnyokanagan

    1 year ago

    capitalism

    I am not certain there is anything wrong with capitalism per se; it is its perversion into Corporatism that is the largest flaw.

    Likewise with democracy: without some form of proportional representation, democracy is a farce.

    But yes, we are too far along the Corporatist track to fix it within the "system". That means... well... revolution.

    Unfortunately, the revolution will not come from within the "first world", where we have subjugated our comfortable lives to the Corporatist paradigm. The revolution must initially come from the "developing world" or the "third world", where suffering is greatest and the people have less to lose.

    It will therefor be spun by the Corporti and their political minions as a North v. South, or Communists v. Captalists battle, instead of the People v Corp's that it actually is.

    What are the odds that the sheeple in the West will come to their senses before the killing starts? With politicians like Campbell and Harper eviscerating education, keeping children in poverty, and governing virtually by fiat, pretty long odds, I'd say.

  • KWD

    1 year ago

    sunnyokanagan

    Capitalism didn't morph into corporatism.

    That's like claiming a chair turned into a table. In both cases the human component is the agent of perversion.

    Revolution? No doubt.

  • morechatter

    1 year ago

    Sask resident your are wrong.

    http://chinaelectionsblog.net/?p=7362

    I was thinking maybe British Columbians need to start burning coal rather than causing all the further harm to the planet by shipping it to China so Chinese can do the harm when it is all going to work out the same for the environment no matter where your burning the coal.

  • freebear

    1 year ago

    I agree with Boondoggle and Blake

    "Total economic collapse our only hope"

    and

    "Human beings have so much knowledge it renders them fools.

    Ignorance and Want have drowned Reason and bullied Hope."

  • Peter Dimitrov

    1 year ago

    info relevant to d-making

    Looks like hot times ahead, more dilly dallying and growth economics as usual. Consider this chart and price of various energy options and make your own mind up on pathways ahead.

    http://bravenewclimate.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/egy3181-fig-3-color.jpg

    What we are doing and not doing in BC and Canada is shameful given what is coming around the corner - and Harpo's control of the Senate killed Canada's CC legislation and the obligation of the Feds to regulate. Its BA

  • Peter Dimitrov

    1 year ago

    not BA but -BAU= Business as Usual

    Business as Usual -Politics as Usual-

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    The Fine Tuning...

    Well, the total economic collapse may just be coming... though I really wouldn't wish that on anyone.

    (I've been having too much fun watching the writhing indignation of Amerika all day, exposed in its crimes in Yemen and even the UN, and elsewhere around the world, as the "enemy of the people" it is, by the Wikileaks. Delightful! As it has long been claimed to be... confirmed.)

    Anyway, suddenly here, from Michael M'Gonigle and Louise Takeda, I am starting to feel exceptionally late in life, to here having been pretty much a pariah everywhere I chose to light, with bridges burning behind me still glowing on the distant landscape, like maybe, just maybe, I may be about to come into some relevance in another time. :-D lol. Clearly, I am soon destined to die. (more laughing)

    But seriously, it is interesting, if not gratifying, to suddenly discover that at least some "elements" of the radical environmental movement have come to conclude with me, a late bloomer coming out of the radical working class movement, that "Capitalism" is the issue and the fundamental problem. And that without addressing this fundamental problem, there is NO solution to either the class issues of society, which includes poverty, OR of the destruction of the natural world, without addressing and overcoming the capitalist socio-economic order of society.

    What goes around, comes around, indeed. What gets off track and is not appropriately dealt with in one time and by one generation, if it is real and unavoidable, must be finally dealt with in and by another. Which is where we are... again.

    There is no getting at and finally resolving anything, by way of the major issues of equality, democracy and the planet upon which we live and depend... without dealing finally and conclusively with this issue of Capitalism.

    The fine tuning comes after.

  • edoherty

    1 year ago

    People's Assemblies on Climate Justice

    Great to see some coverage the kind of changes we need to make. If you want to do something more that read, check out the People's Assemblies on Climate Justice planned for across Canada during (and after) the Cancun talks:

    Vancouver - Assembly Dec 7, Action Dec 11.
    http://www.gatewaysucks.org/assembly-and-action

    Rest of Canada (e.g. Dec 8 Victoria) - http://canadians.org/energy/issues/climatejustice/assembly.html

  • mopled

    1 year ago

    I get the feeling you don't want the good news

    Here we are with the earth cooling just as it always does and for some odd reason you all dismiss the irrefutable facts. The oldest temperature record 1659-2009 shows a temperature trend of only 0.26 C PER CENTURY
    http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a7c87805970b-pi

    "Unprecedented warming did not occur in central England during the first decade of the 21st century, nor during the last decade of the 20th century. As the CET dataset is considered a decent proxy for Northern Hemisphere temperatures, and since global temperature trends follow a similar pattern to Northern Hemisphere temps, then the same conclusion about recent warming can potentially be inferred globally. Based on the CET dataset, the global warming scare has been totally blown out of proportion by those who can benefit from the fear."

    http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/01/cet-temperatures.html

    "Climate justice" indeed. Now I understand why I've always resisted joining the Council of Canadians.

  • realisticman

    1 year ago

    The C Cities

    The crazy climate calamitists should carefully consider coming to Canada for their next confab. Churchill, Manitoba has the correct nomenclature and there they can cavort with cuddly polar bears.

  • mopled

    1 year ago

    Speaking of Churchill

    http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/11/empirical-evidence-from-canadas-high-north-medieval-period-summers-robustly-warmer-than-modern-summe.html

    Canada's Hudson Bay: Is Earlier Sea-Ice Breakup In Bay An Indication of AGW? Scientists Say No

    "Over recent decades, it has been noted that Hudson Bay sea ice has been breaking up earlier in the summer season. These are anecdotal recollections/observations that scientists decided to investigate, using an array of advanced technology.

    This new peer-reviewed research regarding the Hudson Bay sea ice issue indicates there is actually no trend of earlier sea ice breakup in the area. The data analysis does show, though, a one-time shift to an earlier breakup date during late 1980's, but no trend prior or post to that event that can be attributed to AGW causes."
    http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/11/canadas-hudson-bay-is-earlier-sea-ice-breakup-in-bay-an-indication-of-agw-scientists-say-no.html

  • Yeoman

    1 year ago

    Urbanismo

    The vast AGW conspiracy is gaining strength and the black helicopters are coming to enslave you. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

    BTW, nice article on "Global Research": Same old tired claims as regurgitated by a 19 year old university student.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Who Will Be The Chosen? I...

    "Unfortunately, the revolution will not come from within the "first world", where we have subjugated our comfortable lives to the Corporatist paradigm. The revolution must initially come from the "developing world" or the "third world", where suffering is greatest and the people have less to lose." sunnyokanagan

    Not just because it was from out of any "great man's" brain, it is automatically irrefutably true, but it was Marx's view in fact, that "the revolution" to what he called "communism" but we can call anything we want, including just a "more advanced social order", would arise out of the first world. Though he called it the "advanced capitalist societies."

    It was, I believe, during Lenin's time, when Russia was still itself a feudal/quasi third world state that this began to be questioned, gathering adherents thereafter on the revolutionary Left of the time, especially as this seemed to be confirmed by the later anti-colonial struggles against the old European/British Empires in India, the Middle East and Africa etc.

    Indeed, all of us during my time in the Communist movement by then accepted it as a given, a proved fact, especially after the victory of the Communists in Vietnam over the then still rising US Empire.

    But the reality has turned out to be quite different, now with the benefit of some historical hindsight. All these anti-feudal revolutions in Russia and China, and in the former colonial powers of SE Asia such as India, throughout the Middle East and Africa have, in fact, led to the next historical modernizing stage of development, in my view... capitalism. Without exception. They are all going through the same motions and essential lines of development that capitalism did in Industrial Revolution England, the French Revolution and across 18th Century Europe.

    continued next post...

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Who Will Be The Chosen ? II

    from previous post...

    I think, again in just my own view, yet to be proved by the real world, that in fact Marx is in the course of being finally demonstrated correct. "The Revolution", if there is to be one, to a new, more advanced form of "classless" and "democratic" society can only arise in the advanced capitalist countries, out of fully mature capitalisms that have finally come to the end of their "progress" potential. More, that it can only be realistically undertaken and led by a modern, if still yet to be entirely "organized" and "relatively" educated and modern economy familiar working class. Indeed, to expect it of still relatively backward and impoverished peasants, unfamiliar through work and living experience with modern economies and systems of organization and communication etc, is likely unrealistic itself. (Which is not to say these are "stupid" people, merely "ill-equipped" presently with the intellectual and technological skills and knowledge to pass over capitalism directly into "a more advanced socio-economic" stage of development even. The evidence "seems" to be... and we may yet see some exceptions to this rule, that all peoples and societies must first pass through capitalism. Which has likely been capitalism's great historic and most useful mission... preparing the organizational and technological way, and "the class" that will lead it, to its own ultimate elimination.

    My view. Time and history continue to unfold, yet to reveal to what degree I (and others) may be right or entirely wrong. :-) lol

  • KWD

    1 year ago

    a walk through history

    As we are waiting for Godot we see that the soles on our boots are starting to wear thin. And it’s little wonder; they’ve walked, run and stumbled along an endless path of Isms; from tribalism to feudalism to communism, all the way to capitalism.

    And, each time we struggle to shed the old boots in preparation for our trip through the new Ism there’s a period, just as the boot is about to release it’s grip, when it seems the pain will never end. But nonetheless we’re bouyed by the fact we’re getting a new pair of boots. The anticipation of taking great strides and overcoming great challenges in our Brave New World is palpable.

    Godot is coming. Down with capitalism.

    But what a disappointment when we realize that, despite Godot’s arrival and our new boots, overcoming the obstacles we encounter along our journey is more painful than ever. It shouldn’t be much of a surprise: new boots, same old feet.

  • mopled

    1 year ago

    Your new boots are made by the same corrupt cobbler

    It's just the latest Hegelian twist. First they create an imaginary problem, ie AGW and then they sell you the solution. The solution always means you owe them money. That became apparent at last year's fiaso in Copenhagen when the IMF revealed the new plan.

    All nations will pay 2% of GNP to the IMF which will transfer the money to the World Bank (51% US controlled) which will lend the money out,AT INTEREST, to the Third World, to buy "carbon saving" technology.
    "India and Japan clash on the Kyoto swindle: Because it's much more fun *receiving* swindled cash than it is to cough up that cash"
    http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/12/india-and-japan-clash-on-kyoto-swindle.html

    Same old same old, Problem/Reaction/Solution .
    Aren't you tired of the Hegelian Dialectic yet?.
    http://thedailybell.com/619/Hegelian-Dialectic.html

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Elevating to a Real Purpose KWD I...

    KWD sees no real change as possible. He is stuck in the mud, and seeks to "stuck" us there with him . :-)

    A look back across the long history of man/womankind however, demonstrates the extent to which he is wrong, precisely from prehistoric tribalism through slavery, to feudalism and yes, currently capitalism. Of course there is much that is the same. Ditto for all the transitional periods of galactic time to mere earthly evolution from one period to the next. It depends much from what position in time and space one is looking down upon it all.

    But there is also much that is "qualitatively" different within and across species and time etc. And to deny that there has similarly been human social, political and economic progress is to, welll, frankly, be up to one's asshole in one's own navel... looking for internal meaning that is not there in the dark and the dank, save very circumspectly-, but in our relationship with all "the other(s)" outside ourselves.

    KWD is well meaning, in my view, but a hopeless navel gazer, awash in the futility of any and all "engagement", save picking lint from one's own navel, of course, or counting the number of universes on the head of a pin. :-)

    Evolution across time has, from minute to minute, hour to hour, and even across years to centuries, often been slow and tedious to the human observer limited to 60-70, even 100 years... perhaps. )Though not all, I'm damn sure... for if nothing else, our history is colourful and interesting too.) But evolution, and even those rare events of radical and sudden change from one stage of development to another have likewise occurred, in nature and human history.

    Though if one is looking or waiting for the wave of a wand to take us to a sudden perfection, I don't think that is about to happen.

    Still, if it is that one is looking for "perfection" outside one's own navel or intellectual genius, of course it does not exist. Never will, in my view.

    For even the universe and the handiwork of God is flawed, or there would not be disease, death dealing tsunamis, and all the frailties and shortcomings of ALL species and forms. Even He is incapable of perfection it would seem, or one would expect to see some evidence of it in His works. But no, there is only us, the beasts and the volcanoes... struggling on. Seeking to make sense of it and improve upon the fuckups of God.

    That is life and being human... one of the ways in which evolution is manifest.

    continued next post...

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Elevating to a Real Purpose KWD II...

    from previous post...

    No, I will not spend eternity, or even my brief share of it, forever with my head stuck in my navel or up my butt, awaiting the full flowering of some inner human consciousness out of the lint of my navel... Which I think still arises ever imperfectly, but moving towards the unattainability of perfection, out of struggling, warring, fucking, labouring to survive and make a living, and fomenting revolutions to change this wee human corner of the universe. However frustratingly long it takes.

    To do otherwise, would bore me to tears and sticking a pistol in my mouth. Navel gazing preoccupation is the real waste of time and flesh. (Which is NOT to denigrate the value of "thinking" and "human consciousness", but to elevate it to, I think, a real and actual purpose.

    Some... many folks live their lives vicariously through the lives and thoughts of others in... books, for example. Then there are those who actually live. :-) And in the course of living and loving, fighting, winning and losing... discover.

    Take care, my friend. :-)

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    This Disdain for "Ism's"

    I'm always amused by folks with this nose in the air disdain for isms, who themselves, of course, all have their own isms, be it Deism, Narcissm, Individualism, Atheism, New Ageism or what have you... even if they haven't particularly attached a name to it. For the reality is "isms" are the way humans explore the universe, the world and society, and seek to understand and express it. It may be one of the Great organized isms, or it may be one simply, more or less, unique to them.

    For example, Ed, KWD and many, many others all clearly have their own "ideas" or "ideological" perspectives, though they might deny it, and/or not be pleased with it. And our ideologies, whether of the Great or our own personal one, are the isms to which one holds by way of seeking to applying reason and meaning, to explain or work out a solution to etc..

    The observation of the role of isms in the conduct of human affairs and thinking is simply reality, and our attempts to unravel it, understand and apply "meaning" to it.

    Which is about as far into my navel as I will get. For this should be enough of my personal "ideological" navel lint to satisfy one and all. :-)

    Isms, the siamese children joined at the head with ideologies, our "ideas sets", I suspect, are destined to be ever with us, and even under new construction and/or reconstruction, as ever new ones rise and fall with our understanding.

    But I think, contrary to KWD, that we do ever come to better understand the universe, the world, life and ourselves... through our competing ideologies... our isms.

  • KWD

    1 year ago

    Hardly Hegelian

    The metaphor “same old feet” symbolizes all of the institutions, policies and stereotypes in our apolitical lives that guide our decision-making. This is the stuff that forms the framework, remains embedded in, and guides our thinking as we try to make sense of the world we live in. The stories we tell ourselves determine our the socio-political reality and the paths we follow.

    The power these institutions, policies and stereotypes have over our view of reality was recently revealed in a study that found girls as young as three think thin is in.

    As for comments about dredging the depths of ones navel is concerned, there seems to be an avoidance of the fact that the substance of most opinion, here on Tyee and elsewhere, is the product of navel gazing; as opposed to “struggling, warring, fucking, labouring to survive and make a living, and fomenting revolutions to change this wee human corner of the universe”.

    That someone picking lint from the belly of a sheep in Marxist clothing should seriously claim his pile of lint somehow defines our “real purpose”, and elevates him above other navel gazers, is hilarious. Of course, if it’s quantity, rather than quality of lint that is used as a yardstick to define real purpose then there’s no argument.

  • Meme Mine

    1 year ago

    Let's Admit Our Mistake

    It’s embarrassing to admit what we have done. Climate Change was a mistakenly exaggerated error and it showed that we needed to seek much more understanding of climate before declaring the end of the world from unstoppable warming and issuing CO2 death warrants to billions of children worldwide. No, climate change wasn’t pollution, it was a death threat of unstoppable warming and it was an exaggeration from a committed research and political industry that was 24 years old and way too big to fail.
    Remove the CO2 and start environmentalism anew.
    System Change, NOT Climate Change.
    Population Control, NOT Climate Control.

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