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Polak: 'I Wanted This Ministry'

Children and Family Minister Mary Polak says she's proud of her record and not looking to change posts any time soon.

By Katie Hyslop, 25 May 2010, TheTyee.ca

Children and Family Minister Mary Polak

Children and Family Minister Mary Polak.

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Mary Polak disputed that the Children and Family Development Ministry she heads is hard-pressed by budget cuts and slow to implement recommendations made by a four-year-old independent investigation into breakdowns in B.C.'s child welfare system.

Polak's wide-ranging defence of her ministry was delivered on May 13 after an article published in The Tyee quoted current and former frontline child protection social workers who said heavy workloads and strained resources made their jobs difficult to do adequately.

Polak also sought to clarify her government's dispute about sharing cabinet documents with Representative For Children and Youth Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond. Her arguments (see sidebar) failed to sway the court, which, the day after Polak spoke with The Tyee, ruled against the BC Liberal government.

Numbers disputed

Polak said she wants frontline child protection workers to know she is fully supportive of their position in the "hardest job in government."

"It's important for me to be defending the work that our frontline people do everyday and make sure they understand that they do have a minister that supports them," she says.

Why then hasn't MCFD hired on more than 17 new frontline worker positions since 2001? And why isn't her ministry replacing workers who retire, quit, or go on leave? Because it's hard to do.

"This is not an easy job, and it takes a very special person to be able to do that job. So when we look at our rural and remote areas, we are doubly challenged because not only is the role challenging, but also it's challenging just to have people who've been to those areas," said Polak.

She added since the Liberals came to power, staffing levels in the North have gone from 55 per cent to 90 per cent -- despite being a rural area -- and the number of kids in care has dropped by 1,600 because of a focus on family mediation and conferences instead of taking children into care.

What about the high caseload of 35 active cases or more for child protection social workers? Polak says the average caseload is a constant 22.

That figure doesn't ring true to Tracey Young, who worked for the MCFD from 2000 to 2008 and was quoted in the previous Tyee article.

POLAK ON CABINET DOCUMENTS TUSSLE

Minister of Children and Family Development Mary Polak said her government's tussle with Representative For Children and Youth Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond over sharing cabinet documents has been misrepresented in The Tyee and elsewhere in the media.

First of all, there is no law that prevents the Turpel-Lafond, the government-appointed independent child welfare watchdog, from accessing confidential cabinet documents -- just a proposed amendment preventing her from releasing them to the public, said Polak.

"[Turpel-Lafond's] view is that her legislation provides her a loophole that other independent officers don't have, which would allow her the discretion to release cabinet documents," said Polak.

"Our view is that that discretion only applies to the confidential material that she could get from our ministry or that she could get from external agencies like the coroners service."

Turpel-Lafond requested cabinet documents to complete on audit on the government's decision to cap the Child in the Home of a Relative program, but government refused to release them unless she signed a protocol government claims all independent officers must sign in order to receive cabinet documents.

Turpel-Lafond refused and took the government to court instead, spurring them to create the amendment, which would be retroactive to Turpel-Lafond's appointment.

Polak is puzzled why Turpel-Lafond would do this -- if she succeeded in court, the government still planned to pass the amendment. Besides, it's not like the Representative ever used cabinet documents for reports before.

"In all the published reports that she has put out since her appointment, she hasn't once requested or relied upon cabinet documents to produce them," said Polak, adding one exception is a report based on old documents no longer relevant.

But Turpel-Lafond, retired judge Ted Hughes, and Supreme Court of B.C. Justice Susan Griffin, all agreed that Polak and the government are wrong.

Turpel-Lafond said the protocol she was asked to sign entitles the government to veto any information she requested that they didn't want to release. Justice Griffin found this was contrary to the Representative for Children and Youth Act -- and the law -- and on May 14 ordered the government to hand the documents over to Turpel-Lafond, and pay her legal fees.

This isn't the first time Turpel-Lafond has tried to access cabinet documents to complete a report, either.

"I've seen cabinet documents on many, many occasions before," she said, adding she's had trouble accessing documents, but never had to go to court before.

Former judge Ted Hughes, whose 2006 independent investigation into B.C.'s child welfare system resulted in the creation of the representative's position, wrote a letter to Premier Gordon Campbell following Justice Griffin's decision, asking the premier not to cancel the amendment.

Instead, Hughes suggested mediation between the offices of the Deputy Minister of MCFD and the Representative, and on May 18, the government shelved the amendment and appointed Hughes as mediator, giving him three weeks to reach an agreement between the two parties.

— K.H.

"Caseloads far exceed 22 in most areas of practice in MCFD. That might be some numbers for intake teams, which should be even lower as this is very high-crisis and high-need intervention work with families," Young told The Tyee in an email after hearing Polak's statements.

"It would have truly been a dream to have a caseload of 22 when I worked in MCFD, it was always around 30 cases, with emergency coverage of other workers caseloads as necessary."

Cuts or scratches?

While some reports, including the government's own Budget 2010 Fiscal Plan, say the MCFD budget is frozen until 2012/2013, Polak asserts this isn't so. In fact, the budget increased by $12 million last year, and by $9.5 million this year.

Some of the increases include an increased amount of money in contracts, grants, and payments to families, and Polak adds they avoided cuts to frontline services.

However, ministry operating costs, salaries and benefits have been cut since last year, and $5 million will also be cut from contract services -- which is only one per cent of their previous $825 million budget, but a budget that provides the bulk of outreach and prevention work in the ministry. Another $5 million will be redirected to aboriginal services from non-aboriginal services, as the majority of children in the system are First Nations.

Hands Tied: Child Protection Workers Talk About Working In, and Leaving, B.C.'s Child Welfare System, a report issued by Pivot Legal Society last year, counted 185 full-time equivalency positions cut by Polak's ministry in 2009. Polak said that number represents not frontline child protection workers, but administrative positions.

Yet those are the very positions that help ease a social worker's caseload, points out Young.

"When we had social work assistants, they were able to do particular aspects of the work that would take away some of the administrative burdens, such as doing referrals for things, setting up visits. But when you don't have that kind of support, then all of that is on you," said Young.

Recommendations completed?

Polak stands by her previous assertions that all 62 of the Hughes recommendations have been implemented -- with a few exceptions.

"Things that are no longer on the table [are], for example Aboriginal agencies, that we all know was something that fell apart because the First Nations were not willing to go forward with it," she says.

"Also there are other recommendations that are ongoing and will continue to be ongoing, such as quality assurance initiatives."

But Turpel-Lafond says that's not the case. The representative is currently in the process of producing a report on the status of the recommendations, which was due last year but delayed due to "similar issues" that led to the recent court order.

"I think I can just be very clear to say the work is not completed," says Turpel-Lafond.

Polak believes this disagreement is down to a difference of interpretation of implemented, and a lack of information on the representative's part.

"It's based on information that she was able to put together and we believe that she didn't consider much of the information we provided to her," says Polak.

Capped, not cancelled

Polak stressed that The Child in the Home of a Relative Program, which The Tyee reported had been scrapped, has only been capped. And she emphasized that the 4,400 children currently enrolled are not the responsibility of MCFD -- her ministry just pays for them.

"[They're under the ministry of] Housing and Social Development because it is an income assistance program, it's not a child welfare program," says Polak.

"We believe quite strongly, based on the evidence, that there are far greater needs represented in those cases than simply a financial need. So those folks have the opportunity if they wish to seek other supports from [MCFD] without jeopardizing their current status [with Housing]."

While families currently enrolled won't lose their place in the program, it's no longer available to new families, who will instead be enrolled in the new Extended Family Program.

Aboriginal plan late but coming

Polak acknowledged that her ministry is running late in framing a plan to better deal with child protection issues in Aboriginal communities. Though the Indigenous Child at the Centre Action Plan, slated to replace Aboriginal agencies, is a year behind schedule in finalizing the document, let alone implementation, Polak said she isn't worried.

She said she is more concerned with making changes that will stick, not ones that happen quickly -- an idea she takes from social workers she meets across the province.

And while Ministry turnover at the top level has been high, with three ministers since 2006, she said that stops with her.

"I know there's a reputation for ministers not wanting to be in this spot, but when the premier asked what I was interested in, I told him I wanted this ministry and I was very pleased when he decided to take me up on that," she said.

"[Former minister] Tom Christensen was a long serving minister, I hope I am."  [Tyee]

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  • Willy P

    2 years ago

    Incompetent, Arrogant and Full Of

    Hot air. Anyone who takes on this post needs to put kids first, not 'The Party". Polak stinks at her job. That is all.

    Mary Polak accused the BC Association of Social Workers of being "uninformed and inaccurate." This, in response to a social workers' news release criticizing the government for introducing legislation that will ensure the children and youth representative doesn't have an unrestricted right to cabinet documents.
    Mary Polak called the children and youth representative's court action to get confidential cabinet documents a "waste of scarce resources."

    That's really rich considering how much money the former trustee wasted...

  • CHAOTICORDER

    2 years ago

    I am utterly revolted with

    I am utterly revolted with how the Liberal caucus has continued to put a price tag on the most at risk and potentially future criminal children. I can say this too, I was one, I was in care from 1990 until 1999. I saw the bottom drop out when the government shifted from the NDP to the liberal majority, I saw how little they cared for these kids and due in part because I feel the Libs could care less for the ones that rarely become an outstanding member of society. I witnessed the end of the Age of Majority programs which had promised these kids a better standard of living and 2 years of education after they were summarily dumped out of foster homes and group homes at the ripe old age of 19. Imagine that blow for a second to the psyche of these kids that had already suffered horrors that most of any of you could ever imagine, another in a long series of broken dreams and a kick in the nuts by the Libs "Sorry kids, that promise that was made to you ain't gonna happen, we care about you though, here's the welfare line".

    I am a little bit lucky, my parents wanted to rebuild a relationship with me after I left care and it has been a long struggle to get to the point were I can say it is a healthy relationship. Most of these kids, however, do not get that opportunity, either their parents are dead or on their way there, recovering addicts, jailbirds, unfit unable and/or uncaring, these are the traits of most of the parents that these at risk children epitomize.

    I just helped a friend through a long storied fight with MCFD to get his son returned to him. He broke up with his ex and the ministry apprehended their child as he was found on a kitchen chair covered in a rash in his own filth surrounded by garbage. The mother has also just had another child apprehended, that makes it 3 for her. Not one single efort was made to contact the father, my friend who had built a stable home and was more than willing to look after his son (the mother had refused to provide any contact). The Ministry in it's infinite inability to demonstrate any effective administration didn't even bother to try to find him, instead the child was placed in care out in Maple Ridge. My friend fought for almost 2 years after the mother finally relented and admitted what had happened and was awarded with custody.

    Why wasn't he informed in the first place, why wasn't he considered as an alternative to messing this kid up by removing him from his family entirely? This is how effective MCFD is. Not at all.

    This is just an example and frankly cases like this are far too common within this ministry.

    They are creating tommorrows criminals today and are doing it by apprehending the wrong children in an effort to bolster their budget. Add one more and maybe they can add a bonus on to the top officials. Way to go Polak, you really care and it doesn't show.

  • Willy P

    2 years ago

    In Gordon Campbell's twisted little world

    Everything has a price, everything is for sale. I'm sure the "Rockette" cheerleader will appear soon, claiming she's the best thing since Ronco's spray on hair or a bread slicer. It always amazes me how anyone takes a position to look out for our most vulnerable and puts the party ahead of everything.

  • Grania

    2 years ago

    Polak continues to balance the books...

    This is another self serving hypocrite. She wanted MCFD but that Ministry does not want or need her! This is a ministery that only wants the appearance of protecting children...and has no intention of actually doing that...because it would cost money ear marked to pay for the damned Olympics. Both Polak and duToit are an embarrassment to intelligent women everywhere...and unworthy to sit at the same table with the clients struggling to survive in this fascist province.

  • jim1966

    2 years ago

    Sorry but I did not and could not vote for these folks.....

    Okay, why is this woman being interviewed, She is not part of any solution but more of the same. Cutting supports to BC's most needy kids is not a victory to bring in the budget but a disgrace and the BC Liberals should be cowering in shame. I don't think that anything that this government does from here forward will be considered bright, new or different. That we might expect with another party in power. As noted in other articles the BC Liberals have lost touch with the average British Columbian, Sad really. And most people including myself just don't believe these folks. Why should we?, They constantly lie and steal and cover up. So there you go BC you get what you vote for. Regretfully though, this government just does not care enough about real social issues. Have we all been paying attention, this government has slowly being removing social supports since they were elected. Sad because this will cost everyone more. The BC Liberals seem to think that without these programs or supports that British Columbians can simply got an ER or whatever, after all, almost half of every tax dollar goes to health care right?, Maybe if you believe anything these folks say, which I don't. Truth is money was wasted when real needy people and kids needed help, what did they get?, More Cuts, another slap in the face. It's this governments idealogy an agenda it's way too right wing. If you like Mary Polak than good for you, I don't she just cannot be trusted.

    cheers
    jim1966

  • Realist

    2 years ago

    Afront to every woman

    This woman should be considered as an insult to the traditional female attributes of caring for those most in need. What is going wrong with our society where it produces such women?

  • Skywalker

    2 years ago

    She would have wanted any post.

    Any post would suffice. It's the extra minister's pay folks and for that she'd do whatever her leader wanted.

  • freebear

    2 years ago

    Looking for Polkalite commentor.....

    What no posting yet!

  • freebear

    2 years ago

    What is going wrong with our society where it produces such wome

    Gender equality includes ice holes too!

  • DPL

    2 years ago

    You got to admit that after

    You got to admit that after Gordo speaks she claps really well. What other qualifications does she have?

  • samuidave (not verified)

    2 years ago

    spin!

    "frontline child protection workers to know she is fully supportive of their position in the "hardest job in government."

    Too bad they aren't paid even remotely proportional to their efforts. But I am sure the Liberals think these words offer comfort enough.

  • morechatter

    2 years ago

    I Hope I Am

    Says Mary as Minister reponsiable for the Misery of Family and Children talks about being a long serving Minister like the former Minister in her own special selfserving way. As you just gotta know for kids hit hardest in the land this Ministry is no different than any other Campbell Ministry as it to resorts to dirty tricks that many in the industry speak of as children don't count. Nice job Mary but don't get to comfortable ensuring BC Kids go without as you just never know what may unfold as citizens aren't going along for the ride.

  • BC Boy

    2 years ago

    This is enough to make a person barf

    So she wanted this Ministry does she? It's enough to make a person barf. She's obviously within a comfort zone and desperately needs a change.

    If I heard that and had the power to do it, I would say to her

    "Ms. Polak. You came to this office as Minister of
    Children and Families. You will leave it as Minister of Environment."

  • circle A

    2 years ago

    These callous thugs...

    that can`t even pretend to care about children and families,unless of course you`d be wealthy and live on the west side of vancouver, don`t deserve the fig leaf that ted hughes is providing them with.anyone that does not see these fakes for what they are is either stupid or brainwashed.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    Why would ANYONE 'want' this ministry?

    It has been nothing but dustbin material from the earliest days of the Campbell regime.

    The following is taken from Hansard (afternoon sitting, Wed. Feb 9 2005)....it deals with two important issues that anyone who wants to understand the MCFD mess and the operations of the public affairs bureau under the Campbell government. The words are Joy McPhail's.

    J. MacPhail : "I wonder what insider is going to deliver on that strategy today. On Gordon Campbell's first day…. That was just the most recent political insider appointment by the Premier. But on the Premier's first day in office, he appointed the president of the B.C. Liberal Party to the non-partisan position of Deputy Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs. The president of the Liberal Party went from that position to a deputy minister position in this government. Oh. No experience whatsoever in the public service — none. He was given a salary of almost $200,000 of taxpayer money.

    Then the Premier fired 270 government communications staff, who were public professional servants, and then hired replacements appointed by cabinet, making government communications staff political appointees.
    ...

    Broken promise No. 5. "Improve services for women and children." That was from 2002. Some of the deepest cuts made by this Liberal government have been to services and programs that most affect women and children. They eliminated the freestanding Ministry of Women's Equality. They slashed the legal aid budget by 40 percent. They shut down legal aid offices across the province. They cut welfare rates for single moms. They forced them to go back to work when their children would turn three. They cut child care programs for the very people that would be forced back. They ended the zero-tolerance policy for spousal violence. They eliminated victims' assistance programs and cut all funding to women's centres. This government targeted the Ministry of Children and Family Development for some of the biggest budget cuts across government, a 23 percent cut to the Ministry of Children and Family Development.

    As a result of those cuts, agencies serving children across the province had their budgets slashed, dozens of programs for high-risk children were eliminated, and front-line social workers serving our most vulnerable children were cut. Yet Doug Walls did okay — Doug Walls, the Liberal insider who finally got fired. Doug Walls, the Liberal insider who was given a budget of $500 million — he did fine by this government because he was a Liberal. He was a good-serving Liberal, a personal friend of the Premier, a family member, very close to the current Minister of Health Services. He did just fine, but it was the children who suffered."

  • John Greg

    2 years ago

    G West ...

    Please excuse the query, but somewhat sloppy use use of quotation marks, and no explanation as to whether the emphasis is yours or MacPhail's, (or whose/what), I am at at quite a loss as to which words were MacPhail's and which were yours. Could you clarify please? Thanks.

  • G West

    2 years ago

    @John Greg

    Everything after the colon to the end is McPhail's...I should have been clearer that the emphasis is mine.

    Sorry.

  • John Greg

    2 years ago

    G West ...

    Thanks. Cheers.

  • Ragin Canajun

    2 years ago

    Ms. POlak

    It may indeed be that Ms. Polak wanted this Ministry but the question should be did it want her?

    As has been said previously it is a disgrace when a Minister chooses to adhere to Party lines rather than provide support for our most important resource, our Children.
    Kids in care are already at a severe disadvantage but under this Government it only gets worse for them.
    MCFD has already been killed and gutted by this Provincial wrecking crew.
    Its time to turn this around.
    Cmon Gordo

  • crankypants

    2 years ago

    Let's face it

    Let's face it, the people this ministry is supposed to serve would not be the type to support the BC Liberal party either financially nor at the ballot box. This party has shown that it is those that pony up get noticed, the rest can pound salt.

  • kidsfirst

    2 years ago

    Poverty

    Substance use disorder is a major contributing factor in children issues. Divorce is a major issue in children issues. Child abuse and neglect as a divorce strategy is a major issue. Good Dads love their kids, let us stop turning them into criminals. Women get rewarded for generating violence, not every man is violent.Some us have been subject to very abusive wifes.
    Stop teaching women that divorce is a gold panning procedure.
    Approach Parliament to address the inequality of the current Child Tax Benefit payouts. Combined income causes a major decrease in Child Tax Benefits and does nothing but create troubles for blended families when this monthly payout is reduced. I know first hand what a nightmare Child Tax Benefit Fraud can be, through no actions of my own.I went through a complete Audit following my divorce that saw my ex file for bankruptcy because of frauds including Child Tax Benefit Fraud.
    The kids suffer, some of this issues can be addressed. Signed, Just a Dad, Graduate of the University of Life.

  • Fish-counter

    2 years ago

    Mary Polak should apply for the $56 million...

    saved when Colin Hansen was denied his HST advertising campaign funds. The people of BC would gladly spend that money on kids rather than guvmint advertising to tell us what to think.

    Duh!

  • mothers_against...

    1 year ago

    of course she wanted this ministry

    She wanted to excise any remaining vestiges of publicly funded programs for children with autism, FASD and other challenges and bring the whole ministry into line with her own small-minded, right-wing ideology. She wanted to contract out as much as possible to the private sector because that's her political creed. And she wanted to quietly stack committees and advisory boards with her friends and political allies. Mary Polak's tenure with MCFD is all for the greater good of Mary Polak and nothing to do with the children she's supposed to be protecting.

  • West Coaster

    1 year ago

    As soneone who is familiar with this ministry...

    ...it has been completely dysfunctional for decades. Putting a bloodless pariah in charge of the ministry will do nothing to foster positive changes. The clientele are already the most vulnerable and marginalized members of society. You need someone with *compassion* and some first-hand knowledge of how the system is lacking, not some overprivileged princess looking to make a political name for herself.

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