C'mon Canwest...

...this should warrent a short paragraph on page B10 of the Sun.

Lack of Ethics

The lack of ethics is the primary deficiency of the Campbell regime.

I would like to see if some of that goo could be linked more significantly to Mr. Dobell. His well known guidance to bureacrats was to avoid any chance of FOI requests. His strategy for staff was not to take notes during meetings or destroying them before they could be used.

Communication Bubble

And its all Hot Air down at the Liberal Camp as Campbell gives the Liberal Gang the Low Down at the Legislature. And Its like we live in a Hot Air Ballon that is about to Burst as no one knows for Sure What Is as its a Secret for sure? As if your living the Liberal Secret then your also living the Liberal Lie.

NOTICE

This is a formal Criminal Complaint against Gordon Campbell for breach of trust by a public official under Section 122 of the Criminal. Sworn this the third(3rd) day of March in the year 2009 by RICHARD GUY WITALA in right of Her Majesty.

Any RCMP who are still willing to uphold the Criminal Code please do your duty.

Don't count on the RCMP on

Don't count on the RCMP on doing anything; there too busy trying to weasel out of any wrong doing with the Dziekanski affair. We sure have a sorry state of affairs for our Governments and agencies. Hey but don't worry; they're tough on crime.

SEIZE THE ASSETS OF EVERY BC LIBERAL

MLA until the difference between the bid given to their friends and the most expensive bid has been returned to the taxpayer. Hey, luke what's your spin on this one, or are you packing your bags for a midnight flight to Brazil???

When the government is...........

.....totaly corrupt; the courts are totally corrupt; the police are totally corrupt, who protects the people?

No one in BC, no one in Canada. We are on our own folks, cast adrift by the elites who are too busy bankrupting the province.

Bid-rigging is a crime under the Competition Act

and I think Premier Gamble would be setting a worthy example of good citizenship if he would simply come clean about all this. And start over. That is, with him back in Africa. With Nancy.

Consider his Extreme Media Monitoring bureau operating 24/7 in the bowels of the BC Legislature in what must surely be viewed as political campaigning ... at public expense ... what kind of a mind thinks up this stuff? [Details in Mark Hume's column at The Globe and Mail today.)

Michael Smyth ......

His take on what StoneWally`s answers....

A quote from Wally Oppall....

"We usually follow the law"

Let Michael Smyth tell the story

http://www2.canada.com/theprovince/columnists/story.html?id=ffe0f853-0052-4889-add5-38a1249b8117

A Sad gloomy looking bunch of Liberals in the BC legislature today,they must have seen some more internal polls,they all looked like they were ready to cry.

No need to buy it back

If it was obtained fraudulently, the acquisition would be illegal in the first place.

Put the bunch of them, including the CEO in the crowbar hotel - maybe we could get them to put them in cells in Florida, next to Connie Black's cell, so they could teach each other a thing or two.

Forget Luke....

He`s spinning again,it getting difficult for Wally Oppal not to respond to questions on documents in the Public Domain........

Not only was the process corrupt,but Campbell`s fairness(independent watchdog group)committee,who reported that the deal was above board,it was revealed today in the legislature that Campbell`s beaurcrats interfered in the report and altered the findings with white-out and direct political interference.

So the watchdog group reporting on the ethics of the deal was corrupted,interfered with,and manipulated....

No answers were forthcoming in question period,but the LOOKS on the LIBERALS faces spoke volumes,they looked like a cat burgular getting caught red-handed with a sack of loot!

This story will get out,I will make sure of that.

Good work Bill T--BC MARY--G WEST and all the rest of you,too many to mention all by name......

My hats off to all of you.

Cheers

Quarry bay

Sig..........

I get the impression you are about to snap,relax my freind,all is good,the lid is ready to pop on Campbell`s party,the Liberal defeat in may is not in doubt,it`s just a matter of how bug will the blood letting be!

Your not alone with your disgust of Campbell, 60% of the voters feel the same way.
It is going to be monumental,there will be no more Campbell parties all over the province on May13th.

NDP Election Plank? Probably not.

This material would make a great election plank for the NDP, the lack of honesty and even minimal business ethics on the part of Premier Gordon M. Campbell's Govt. It's the kind of thing a good advertiser could turn into a damning negative TV ad, with B@W pictures of Campbell and Falcon, ominous music, photos of headlines, etc., etc.

But it won't happen. NDP ad campaigns are invariably a case of milque toast material that's designed not to offend anyone. I have seen it happen too many times at both the federal and provincial levels, where the party didn't simply miss the shot, they refused to even take it!

Why? Well, ... maybe Bill Tieleman can answer that one.

And here's the link that tells the story of the....

'Hunt for Red Octobe....errrrrr....the Fairness Report".

.

...snapping continued

If I were going to snap, I would have snapped when these lying, thieving bastards got elected for a second time.

Gordon's golden parachute and the pay raises to himself and his senior staff members still have me shaking. The thought that this mockery of a democracy could be headed by these liars a third time has me quaking. I will do everything in my shaking, quaking power to see this incompetent and malicious Gordon Campbell government expunged from my children's land. They are innocent beings, and they deserve far better than to grow up with Gordon Campbell at the helm.

Sig........

Since you put it that way,maybe I am ready to snap,yikes,I need a tylenol after that blood letting.

I am not on you Sig,I agree, Campbell will rot in hell,his CRIMES will be written in the history books;

But were gonna have one helluva party on MAY 12th through to the removal of Campbell out of the legislature.

The sun will shine again sig,it is schedualed to rise once again in BC on may 13th/2009

I love your passion,don`t ever lose it,it looks good on you.

Cheers

Quarry bay

On the topic of ethics

How ethical is it to have the Campbell government, during the period of greatest expansion of world demand for BC's natural resources, oversee the huge rises in
child poverty,
alcohol sales and consumption,
gambling and gambling houses,
soup kitchens and food banks,
illicit drug sales and consumption, and
general crime and violence in our beautiful province?

How moral/ethical is it for that government to be broke after all the cutbacks and all misery they have provided.

Campbell

Please excuse my ignorance, but should Campbell be arrested for this breach of public trust.
I prey we can get rid of this liar and somehow get BC Hydro back in public hands.

Worrywart...

It doesn't matter if it's the Libs or the NDP. When they get into power they all feed on the public trough along with their cohorts.

A litany of similar alleged NDP offenses occurred during the 1990's.

For example, former NDP cabinet minister Bob Williams was also apparently caught in the act in the 1990's regarding insider information, as head of the Crown Corporations Secretariat, when he purchased land along the future Hwy 19 extension/Duke Point Ferry terminal.

The BC Office of the Comptroller General investigated:

http://www.llbccat.leg.bc.ca/ipac20/ipac.jsp?index=BIB&term=235987#focus

Lottsa similar examples like that.

Lukie

Keep your eye on the ball Lukie,another distraction,someone buying a lot against a illegal rail sale/a multi billion dollar asset given away for a few million dollars,BC Rail was making over a hunderd million per year profits and was given away for nothing......

A broken campaign promise,no, an outright lie from the drunken driver.

But in Lukes world it is okay to be a theif,a liar,a law breaker,why,according to Luke everybody is a theif,liar,swindler,ya that`s luke`s world,we certainly know you are a welsher of bets.
Perhaps that should be Campbell`s campaign motto, " we will lie,cheat and steal,because others in the past did it"

I keep saying this Luke but I will say it again,YOU HAVE REACHED ANOTHER ALL TIME LOW in the world of debate.

I guess your saying it is okay for Campbell to use gas chambers on people he doesn`t like because it was done in the past!
LLLLLOOOOOSSSSSEEEEEERRRRR

Weepin' Jesus ...

and there it starts ... "a litany of similar alleged NDP offenses" is hauled out. A "litany of one".

Oh, the NDP was just as bad ...

The NDP did something wicked in the 90s, or was it the 80s ...

Worst ever NDP ...

Bad, bad, NDP

Oh yes, Me Good, You Bad.

Godamighty, does the level of discourse with BC Socred/Reform political circles ever rise above that?

Fool.

It's true, BC Rail does not

It's true, BC Rail does not have to be bought back. The transaction was illegal from the start but as I recall Campbell insisted that they didn't break their promise not to sell BC Rail because they didn't sell BC Rail, they merely leased it for 999 years. The public retained full ownership of the railbed.

Looks pretty clearcut but there is a large corporate backdoor opening, a farewell kiss to their many supporters and easily the swindle of the century. The Liberals have stated they are going to recognize aboriginal rights and title to BC's public lands and resources before they leave office. They said as much during the budget speech.

While Ms Berman is marching on Washington, Forest Ethics webpages soldier on here at home. Wouldn't you know? They support BC First Nations in their struggle to regain "sovereignty (def: undisputed political power) over their lands" too. Note: "their lands" not "their traditional territories."

It was certainly my experience working on the Cloudworks Kwalsa/Upper Stave IPP that the corporations are acting as if First Nations already own entire BC watersheds. Do you think they know something we don't?

So government, enviros, First Nations and corporations all aboard on the same train. Is that a concensus?

So what is going to happen when First Nations own the railbed?

BC Mary...

So what are ya saying...

"My skunk doesn't stink, but your does?" :)

No kidding. As you have professed, many BC'ers are a gullible lot.

BTW, a politician, of any political stripe, is like a pig. Put lipstick on it, it's still a pig.

But your pig is prettier, ain't it? :)

Luke

There are plain pigs: sows and boars, and there are boors. Guess to which category I place you.

BC Mary is gold, Luke. She is a saint who works 8-12 hours per day for free to make sure that the truth gets out. She is not a paid government hack.

You better stick to your regular obfuscation/not dealing with the issues and your faulty reviews of ancient history, BC Mary is way out of your league. BC Mary deserves the Order of BC.

SIG..

I can smell a left-wing ideological hack a mile away. Doesn't come close to the true centrum of BC politics.

I know, I know the NDP are saints and we don't want to hear about any NDP shenanigans here on the Tyee.

But the electorate centrum doesn't buy it and never will.

Bad, bad BC Liberals. BAD! :)

Bravo,bravo, bravo...

Luke, there may still be time to catch that midnight flight to Brazil...

Luke S. - What conclusion did it come to?

luke Skywalker
http://www.llbccat.leg.bc.ca/ipac20/ipac.jsp?index=BIB&term=235987#focus

Lottsa similar examples like that.

The link is to a library listing, not the publication itself. What conclusion did it come to?

Luke S. - Up too late? Drinking?

Luke Skywalker
I can smell a left-wing ideological hack a mile away. Doesn't come close to the true centrum of BC politics.

...
Bad, bad BC Liberals. BAD! :)

Luke, maybe you've been up too late without enough sleep, maybe you've been drinking, but this post has a disturbing, flakey quality to it. I mean more so that usual.

For example, the use of the non-word "centrum", coming right after the beer parlour boast that you can smell them a mile away. And then there's the little child-like chant at the end. I wonder if you need to take a break from the boiler room lifestyle and work on your health?

frenchy

Yeah, he may need to take a flight, we don't own the railway anymore, so we can't put him on the midnight train to Georgia.

Rod Smelser...

Hmmmmm... your above posts come across as a Seinfeld episode... which is...

About Nothing. :)

centrum

Centrum: Isn't that a vitamin that old BC Liberal hacks swear will help them when their Reform Leaders get caught squirming to new lows, and they just don't have the gonads to deal with the truth.

What was it that the Liberal directive said, "Attack!"? Bullies often use attacks when they have no defense for the truth. This liberal government has no true defense, just obfuscation, innuendo and faulty ancient history that they try to tell as though it has anything to do with the present.

A speedboat to the Bermuda triangle,

or a leaky rowboat to the Marianis trench would be my personal fave, sharing is good,or perhaps luke could take one of german built ferries, that cause landslides, have props half out of the water, and gulp fuel like a fifties muscle car. Perhaps luke could ride on of those to never-never land for, like Peter Pan and the premier, luke never-never quite grew up...and no, luke, this the three stooges starring you, the premier and the fraser institute ...the fraser institute is Moe, and you and Gord are larry and curly...woo, woo woo, my that moe sure does bitch slap the two of you a lot...but never-never mind, I'm sure they'll be a job for you and Gord, after May 12, scrubbing the fraser institute's toilets...

SIG..

Centrum... the centre of the political electorate. The moderate, pragmatic, reasonable part of the electorate.

Something that you are wayyyyy tooooo far on the ideological left-wing to see.

And what does that marginal ideological left-wing of the electorate do?

Obfuscate, lie, deceive, re-invent history. You name it. They do it. Also part of the in-house NDP strategy at NDP headquarters directing their hacks.

And they believe that the centrum are dumb enough to fall for it.

But nobody does and nobody ever will. And that's why, according to many other political analysts, we will see a likely ~60 - 25 seat Liberal election victory on May 12.

Lottsa fun. :)

centurm: Can anyone find this word anywhere?

Luke Skywalker
Centrum... the centre of the political electorate.

I have checked three dictionaries, a Webster's, a Winston Canadian, and an Oxford Illustrated and I can find no reference to this word, which I believe is a non-existent term dreamed up by Luke S.

Rod Smelser...

Centrum = Centre in Latin.

http://www.online-dictionary.biz/latin/english/vocabulary/reference/centrum.asp

Speaking of dream worlds, did you read Vaughn Palmer's column today? :)

Apparently the BC NDP is gonna budget for $billions$ more in annual deficits, which is certainly not a politically populist position.

[EDITED. OFFENSIVE. -MODERATOR.] does the BC NDP have a political death wish? Seriously.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/budgetary+talk+points+bigger+longer+deficits/1351901/story.html

Frank..........

How is it Oppal and Von Dongen and Campbell can talk about gansters before the court? The Liberals MLAs and cabinet looked like they were ready to cry in the legislature yesterday! lol lol-----

Luke,have you not figured it out,and I let Vaughn know today,........

Campbell has so thoroughly fucked BCs finances there is no solution, no lemonade to be made from these lemons,.........

Basically Vaughn says, with Campbell the debt is 150 billion dollars,with James the debt is 151 billion dollars!

Luke S. - Latin? As in Roman?

Luke Skywalker
Centrum = Centre in Latin.

Latin. Why Latin? Isn't that what the Romans spoke during the days of Empire?

I assumed it was just some silly bugger buzzword you had made up, but now I have to wonder if its ancient roots aren't some kind of mysterious attaction for you.

Whatever the case me be, I do think you need to review the depth of your committment to the life of the boileroom. I am sure the PAB overseers will understand.

quarry bay...

Vaughn Palmer:

If you have any, and I mean any, financial sense and read Vaughn's column with comprehension, the BC NDP's election budget will put BC $billions$ annually further into the red and for a longer period of time.

I'm sure that the Liberals will provide election advertising to further explain that situation. ;)

That might be fine for the NDP's core base of ~30% but soft/marginal voters will either drift away to other parties or won't vote at all.

The current NDP standing of 33% - 36% will likely begin to shrink, which an objective observer would be able to see, but you don't seem to have the political smarts. ;)

http://media.nowpublic.net/images//4b/0/4b021f614127520ac2ec1c4f0477a4c5.jpg

Canwest........

Yesterday and today,but mainly yesterday ......

The entire Canwest teams orchestrated spin for Campbell....Lets run through the "Staged news"

"Rich Coleman named housing CZAR" Have you noticed lately no goverment is serious on any issue until someone is named CZAR!

"Housing sales,big improvement"

Well I guess if 10 homes are sold in december and 20 are sold in january that`s a increase of 100%---But sales are still in THE DUMPS

Now the big one,the big news for public consumption which I complained to Canwest about............

Every Canwest paper through out BC---Headlines.......

extra extra read all about it .....

" Task force makes huge break through on gang war fare"

"Gang milestones,5 arrests, major king-pin arrested"

"Major Gangsters arrested"

Well well well, the academy award for fiction goes to Canwest,---First off,they have no eveidence,testimony from someone in the car/the woman/as to who took a shot at one of the Bacon brother associates,they missed,drove away,the police have no weapons/no prints/no independent eye witnesses/nothing.......

But it sure made headlines,the case will be tossed,this whole news cycle was orchestrated,from morning to night, including the press confrences,everything staged!
Staged for public consumption by Campbell and Canwest/ See,were getting results/it`s working..........

Ahh,but know is where it gets interesting,this public play,the charade,this farce,all orchestrated,all planned,but all did not go well, for the day this stage play was "running",........

The gangs shot 3 people/2 dead...in three parts of metro Vancouver, so the entire Campbell/canwest/gang task force, for public consumption CON JOB......

was blsted away when the shooting gallery lit up the lower mainland again!

Nice try Gordon Campbell,another strike!

cheers

Quarry bay

Rod Smelser...

Hmmmmm.... I guess you're not aware that Latin terminology is utilized within the legal community? Didn't think so. :)

You're also not very coherent. What's up?

Sounds like you've been drinking too many Buddweisers. You should lay off the stuff. ;)

I will waste but only a.........

few minutes on you Luke...

The staged news is there today as well, and Campbell in 10 years (if he won,but he won`t)would be 6 deficits in 10 years.....

including the 3 single largest deficits in BC history!

And under Campbell BCs debt rose from 32 billion to 54 billion dollars,an increase of .....
22 billion dollars in 10 years,where the NDP grew the debt from 20 billion dollars to 32 billion.....

An increase of 12 billion,.....

yet if we add in the P3s and energy purchase agreements to private(for private profits) power IPPs---Campbell has added 94 billion dollars to BCs debt......

Yes Gordon Campbell has added 94 BILLION DOLLARS to BCs DEBT, oops,I forgot about BC ferries,add another 2 billion to that total......

Gordon Campbell a PROVEN LIAR and PROVEN LAW BREAKER and BCs BIGGEST DEBTOR Goverment in BCs HISTORY......

No other goverment in BC has ADDED this much DEBT to BCs FUTURE CITIZENS......

And Campbell`s CRIMES against BCers will be WRITTEN in the HISTORY BOOKS!

Fake news headlines...

" Task force makes huge break through on gang war fare"
"Gang milestones,5 arrests, major king-pin arrested"
"Major Gangsters arrested"

One of the five "major gangsters" was a young woman from West Van with no criminal record who is being charged with riding in a car that she knew had a gun in it, and who is an ex live-in to a Hells Angel.

Wow! We can all sleep better now.

NDP budget?

In comparison the Ontario Liberals will be running a deficit of somewhere in the neighbourhood of $18 billion.

And of course the federal Conservative-Liberal coalition is running a huge deficit that is not helping the people that need help.

And finally everyone knows the BC Liberals will come down with a much bigger deficit OR big spending cuts after the May election.

The proposals from the NDP as to what areas they will spend money sound like steps in the right direction.

May I take your new world order?

I heard it on CBC - the Liberals analyzed why they lost the election to the Glen Clark NDP and discovered that their election platform to sell/privatize BC Rail cost them seats throughout central and northern BC. So that is why they reversed that promise and lo! won the next one.

The first BC Rail thing they did was to put an end to passenger rail service, also a fraudulent violation of their campaign platform. The way they did it was especially offensive.

I grew up in rural communities along the PGE line where the passenger train was the only transportation in and out. The Budd cars were immediately sold off to American collectors before the deal was even announced to the public. The Budd cars are part of my personal history and a vital part of the history of the whole province. Why not sell the Liberty Bell or Big Ben?

The real story on that was in The Republic, an article called Who's Your (Sugar) Daddy and this is how it goes.

Campbell's son Nicholas in/was an employee of the Rocky Mountaineer, itching to expand their business. Problem was a luxury train called the Whistler Northwind had already attempted (by Jack Munro among others) the stunning BC Rail line but went bankrupt because they had to compete with the much more reasonably priced passenger rail.

In fact (I worked for Tourism BC) the international ad campaigns for the Northwind had served to boost the Budd car ridership. It was a good thing that all that public money had Just been spent to replace some of its aging stations by the NDP for the Northwind, my home town's included. But at least the public still owned it.

So thanks to the [EDITED FOR LEGAL CONCERNS] the Campbell Liberal reign, BC has been trussed up like a prize ham, served up on a platter to discerning international buyers and sold out from under us.

This is something I care about very much.

Luke S. - A lawyer???

[THESE ATTACKS ARE AS BORING AS THEY ARE DESTRUCTIVE TO THIS THREAD. PLEASE TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. -MODERATOR.]

This prison is for you Luke.......

It seems like thousands of chinese have signed the latest petition against the prison in Burnaby.....

Gordon Campbell has lost all 4 ridings in Burnaby,lol,Nuraney pleads for Campbell to throw him and fellow Liberals a lifeline.(none forthcoming)Read it here.....

http://www2.canada.com/burnabynow/news/story.html?id=1f2d7ea9-c770-4cd2-8df5-ea953c462f9c

and another letter.......

http://www2.canada.com/burnabynow/news/opinion/story.html?id=2bee0aee-1f65-4894-9f87-65a1997588fa

But for some srange reason Lukie thinks the Liberals are going to win all the Burnaby ridings.LOl......

As someone who lived in Burnaby for 30 years,has family there,freinds,associates,Campbell is done,Campbell could cancel the prison in Burnaby but it will do him no good because.....

Gordon Campbell is a PROVEN LIAR and a PROVEN LAWBREAKER, his word or promises are worth shit on a stick.....

Lukie,do you get the picture yet,more Campbell on purpose blunders,haven`t you and your fellow workers at the PAB figured it out yet?

Cheers

Janie Jones

Excellent post.

Vaughn palmer column

Palmer's column conveniently leaves out highly pertinent facts. The NDP inherited enormous deficits from the right-wing Van der Zalm government. It took time to turn around from this, but the ndp did it. By contrast the liberals inherited a large surplus and then squandered it, on an unannouced till the day after the election 25% taxcut for the rich. Slavishly copying Bush-style disaster capitalism they used the resulting record deficits to excuse selling off assetts like BC Rail, shutting down courts and access to justice leading to our current crime crisis, and in every single way they could, attacking the most vulnerable members of society including disabled children and developmentally disabled adults, a process STILL ongoing.

During the last 4 or 5 years despite record revenues from high commodity prices and large income from housing bubble taxes, THE BC LIBERALS ARE NOW BROKE! Despite not funding social programs and record transfer payments from Ottawa, the bc liberals are broke...Campbell should be sitting on a $3 billion dollar surplus AT LEAST, instead he is so busted his budget contains not even emergency contingecy money.

Campbell says he admires obama, but the record shows in every way that his real hero is Bush whose policies, of deregulation, cutting consumer protection and selling of public goods like BC Rail campbell has slavishly copied.

But this is hardly the worst of it. Campbell used the unnannounced until the day after the 2001 election 25% taxcut for the rich as an excuse to sell off assetts, to shut down courts and access to justice and tom assault the most vulnerable. We now suffer from the highest crime rate, the highest child poverty, the most rapidly declining economy and some of the worst environmental laws in Canada. The further damage that Campbell will do to the public using the same pathetic excuses he used in his first term are unimaginable. We will suffer not only grave economic deficits from his proven disatrous economic management, but also, the worst social deficits ever, from which we may never recover, all from a premier who has proven again and again be is both incompetent and untrustworty.

Another Vaughn Palmer Column...

... Regarding Bernard Schulmann and his BC Iconoclast site a week back, dealt with transposed BC riding results.

We all know that Mustel currently shows a 16% spread in favour of the Liberals.

The larger the spread, the more magnified the seat count is for the victor on election day under our FPTP system.

Now forget about the 16% Mustel spread.

Let's make it closer - ~10% - and here are the overall provincial results and riding specific results.

Interesting stuff.

http://bciconcoclast.blogspot.com/2009/03/playing-around-with-some-numbers-here.html

Can you imagine........

Can you imagine the Liberals being reduced to 25 seats,YES I CAN,Lukie, Palmer has already debunked Schulman.
Who the fluck is schulman,what is his track record on past elections,ZIP/ZILCH/NADA--Let us examine your track record Luke.............

I have no idea if you were around in 2005/you were probably locked up in some boiler room somewhere,but back to your track record.......

You predicted Peter Ladner to win the Vancouver municipal elections,Ladner and his team of Campbellites got wiped off the map,with the exception of Susan Anton,a soul survivor.

You not only predicted that Gordon Campbell would win both ridings in the BC provincial bi-election,you bet me 10.000.00 $ dollars on that result,I won`t get into the fact that you are a CAD,but you were wrong Luke,Campbell got wiped off the map.......
And you were doing your usual ridings comparisans,your analylitical spin,your riding over laps,in other words you were doing the same old crap your doing now!

I know you will never pay up the bet,your not even classy enough to admit you were wrong,no-one believed you then,no-one belives you now,I made the bet on gut instinct,on the knowledge of the hatred people hadtowards Campbell,I don`t need a Schulman or bateman to think for me,I am quite capable on my own!

Let me explain it to you in terms you might understand Lukie, 80% of the people in BC think Campbell is a untrustworthy,lying,arrogant,outta touch loser,as for the other 20% they don`t speak english,they didn`t understand the question!

So lets look at Lukies track record,wrong on the Vancouver municipal elections--Wrong on the Provincial bi-election and.....
Wrong on the upcoming election, and if your so convinced lukie of the upcoming election, I will forgive the 10.000.00$ bet and make you another bet.

A gentlemens bet,if I win,you will apoligize personally to every poster you have insulted and to will say on the record the Quarry bay is my mental master!

If you win,I will do the same,YA WANNA BET

BC Rail

When the NDP get in they should tax every god damn inch of BC Rail for stealing it in the first place and as warning to the other pigs that were lined at the Liberal/reform trough swilling up our rivers,forests, fisheries, health care facilities,bridges,highways and natual resourses.
It is beyond my comprehension why anyone would stick up for these repulsive theiving neocon creatures.
As they say birds of a feather........??
Eh Luke!

But, Luke...

Nobody BELIEVES Mustel Polls, or arguments derived from them, because they almost always, in statistically UNBELIEVABLE ways differ from other mainstream pollsters by at least 16%, especially when the NDP is involved.

The very idea of trusting a poll, made a company that gets millions of taxpayer dollars a year from the bc liberals to make "best place on earth ads" appeals ONLY to simpletons, AND PAID STOOGES. Hapless Canwest employees, like Vaughn Palmer are simply told it's canwest policy to take these polls at face value...others not in the categories listed above snicker at such polls, luke...and we are of ever-growing numbers.

I'm concerned for you luke, and have begun to wonder if you haven't perhaps contracted a narcotics habit...crack, perhaps, by the way you so obsessively cling to these polls, the brittle, yet swiftly dwindling euphoria you seem to derive...perhaps a treatment program is in order...too bad the premier shut down most of those...

Luke - Quecumque sunt vera

Luke, this is the opening statement of the last site you referred to. Notice the first words, "Playing around with some numbers at the UBC ESM web-site..."
and
"Prediction of the May 12th 2009 Election

Playing around with some numbers at the UBC ESM web-site to see how the election might turn out. In this scenario I assumed voters returning to the Liberals from non-voting, one in 20 NDP voters in the 2005 choosing not to vote, and finally a small portion of NDP vote going to the Greens."

By the way its so nice to see you like Latin, a dead language, but I hope the subject above might move you to more truthful thoughts and some honest and reasoning.
By the way V. Palmer column about Carol James is actually an honest assessment of where the provincial budget will be next year. Even the BC Liberals say it will change as further declines in the market come forth. They plan a new budget for the fall. If they get back in power watch out for a major change in all the plans that are presently being promised.
And Bill thanks for your great work bringing this info to us. No wonder the papers are going broke.

Moderator's Position

Luke S. - A lawyer???
Rod Smelser
7 hours ago
[THESE ATTACKS ARE AS BORING AS THEY ARE DESTRUCTIVE TO THIS THREAD. PLEASE TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. -MODERATOR.]

How is asking someone if they are a lawyer an "attack". Really, I am honestly puzzled about that. How is asking him which law firm an attack?

Desperate People...

... always say desperate things.

I love it! Lottsa fun. :)

Well Lukie?.......

I knew you would chicken out,so much for your prediction or should I say someone else`s prediction.
You never had an original thought.

Desperation

I've seen a lot of that in the legislature this week...and it wasn't emanating from opposition side of the aisle either.

Not a big surprise that BC Liberal boosters, who're never anything but the 'centrum' of their own minds, would be sharing that same emotion....

Latin can be used for all kinds of phony purposes, but those who use it and engage in a certain kind of behaviour ought to remember another phrase in the dead language:

Volenti non fit injuria

CPR's Lawyer says

The Nov. 17, 2003, letter from CPR vice-president of strategy and law Marcella Szel to Dobell says that ...

I guess Marcella Szel was less interested in Latinate terms and wanted an explanation as to how the game was being played, and whether or not his company was being played. What are the chances he will ever get an answer?

Never mind what kind of response CP or BNSF got from the BC Govt, that's kind of predictable. It would have been a PAB type affair, perhaps quoting a Mustel poll or a seat total simulation just to rub in the message that we're in power and there's nothing you can do about it.

I would like to see the replies from CIBC World Markets. Is there a business analyst around who can explain how CIBC benefitted from agreeing to be involved in a conspicuously flawed process? Would this not damage their reputation?

Another G Westism...

BTW ... adversus solem ne loquitor ;)

Luke

Former Supreme Court Justice said, "You must learn to disagree agreeably." That's in plain English for all to see and understand.

It just dawned on me

Luke's purpose may not be to change anyone's minds. His purpose may be to tie up the freethinkers, the nonbelievers of the holy church of Neo Liberalism and its Furher Campbell. In this way, people like myself might be kept engaged in his BS rather than out nocking on doors and talking in coffee shops. Because of that, I'm going to the coffee shops in the morning and at lunch and I'll hit various pubs at night every day until election time.

It's time to kick it up a notch!

errata

anyone's mind
Fuhrer
whoops again!

Falsified job applications

A lot of posters here seem to be connecting false promises made to get elected, and fraud, an indictable offence.

It might take a bit of doing, but what about a grassroots movements to pass a law that would make obtaining a political position under false pretences an actual crime.

If one is found to have falsified one's credentials in any field, one is subject to dismissal when it's found out.

I'm not suggesting that changed timelines, or statements of intention be held to this standard, or even inability to achieve goal, where the attempt is sincerely made. But getting a benefit, power, by misleading the owners of it, the electors, then looting the very thing you promised to protect should be held to be what it is. Unlawful conversion.

Actual fraud. A crime.

Bid rigging

Bid Rigging: A Federal Offence

The federal Competition Act establishes a number of “Offences in Relation to Competition” including “bid-rigging” and “conspiracy”. As the federal Competition Bureau states:

“Bid-rigging is a serious crime that undermines competitive markets and has serious negative economic consequences for businesses and for the public, which cost tax payers millions of dollars annually. It is a form of conspiracy that occurs when bidders secretly agree not to compete or to submit bids that have been pre-arranged among themselves. Firms and individuals convicted of bid-rigging face fines at the discretion of the court and imprisonment for up to five years.”

Frenchy...

Hmmmmmmm... So are ya calling the author of this article, Bill Tieleman ...a simpleton and a paid stooge??? :)

Bill Tieleman:

http://thetyee.ca/Views/2008/03/21/NDPAndClass/

That's actually pretty funny

For the single most profligate poster of polls and poll data to try and shift the focus of a discussion to someone else who says VERY little about them and to have done it several more times than once is hilarious.

I'm afraid luke my friend, you're the fella who lives and dies by the polls - of course, only the ONES YOU WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO.

But then, as others have pointed out, that's nothing new.

Well Luke......

Luke has ignored my request for a gentleman`s bet on the up-coming provincial election,Lukie is calling a 60 seat liberal landslide for 25 NDP seats but is refusing a bet on who will win,forget the seat count,a bet on who will win!
That proves that Luke doesn`t even believe the garbage he spews.
Once again you have been exposed for what you are,a spinster,a spinster that doesn`t even believe his own garbage......

I again am proposing a gentlemen`s bet to you Luke,forget the seat count,just a bet on who will will the BC provincial election, If I win,you will personaly apoligize to every poster you have insulted and state on the record that Quarry bay is your intelluctual master,if you win I will formerly apoligize to the handful of posters I have insulted and acknowledge that you are my intellectual master!
I am waiting for your response Luke.

Bill Tieleman...

Certainly talks alot about polls. ;)

http://billtieleman.blogspot.com/2009/02/bc-liberals-internal-polling-shows-them.html

Better take it up with him. :)

Others, well, they just put their finger up their rear end to ascertain public opinion. :)

A thing about Tieleman

At least one poster here has a thing about Bill Tieleman.

I wonder if he's someone who is particularly agitated by Tieleman's dogged coverage of the Basi-Virk case, and of the connections among Liberal players in that case that tend to emanate, weblike, from former BC Regional Minister David Anderson?

Rod...

Outside of political junkie circles, nobody cares. Really. :D

The polls, the seat projections. It's all over. It's now on the verge of boring.

The real question that should be on everybody's mind now is:

Who will replace Carole James?

That's the political scuttlebutt these days.

We "usually don't break the law".

Implies that they frequently break the law.

For once Wally Opal is being totally honest and candid.

Clark killed the NDP, and they have to live with their mistake. Still not cleaned up.Clark is the reason I voted Gordo (mea culpa, mea maxima culpa), hell I was new here, what did I know about the past. Clark had to go, plain and simple, the only option was... So from the frying pan into the fire.

A pox on all their houses. So we have to choose between tweedle dumb, and tweedle dumber. Ok, I guess it's tweedle dumb.

And, it is, about the corruption of the process, not whether we want BC Rail back.

But, I am perfectly confident that the BC voting public will choose...the worst of all possible options.

Actually luke - NO

What the real political debate is about today is whether or not, on Friday - that is tomorrow - there will be a call for an inquiry into the BC Rail case - an inquiry that will have the power to compel testimony from the principals in this case.

And a discussion about how much damage the auditor general's report about the compound failures of CEO government to address homelessness in this province.

I guess the directive about how to spin that black eye hasn't landed in your in-box yet.

I take it you also haven't heard the speculation that Campbell may actually prorogue the house early and call for an election BEFORE May 12. So bruised and battered are his minions these days, there is a strong suspicion that May is far too late and that his chances of re-election are diminishing by the hour.

But, by all means, keep climbing those polls my friend.

I for one want to hear more from Bill..

...and less from the chirping from the sidelines from Luke. In order to get the substance of the commentary following one of his articles one must wade through a lot of unrelated poll results that degenerate the discussion into his comments rather than the original article. I guess that is his intention. Still I go back to Bill's article and He's right on!

G West...

That's gotta be the quote of the day. Too funny.

And where did ya get it from?

quarry bay

Keep up the comedy routine.! :)

Nope

From the halls of the legislature where the serial embarrassment of the CEO's troops is evident to anyone who spends an hour in the building.

You should check out the legislation - believe me, it's being considered.

Michael Smyth today.........

I see you know my name Luke,waiting for your answer,your silence speaks volumes!

Michael Smyth column today isn`t flattering to Campbell.

http://www2.canada.com/theprovince/columnists/story.html?id=d7d46c35-030b-476c-b318-e174a09c33

Michael Smyth.....

http://www2.canada.com/theprovince/columnists/story.html?id=d7d46c35-030b-476c-b318-e174a3a09c33

I am no fan of Les Leyne........

But he wrote a fabulous column today........

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/Spinning+news+taxpayers+expense/1355800/story.html

People disturbed by Bill Tieleman

Why does Bill Tieleman bother some people so much? He seems to have a way of getting under their skin with his detailed stories of Liberal intrigue and connections.

They cannot just scoff "conspiracy theories" because Bill's research is too thorough and he presents his facts too dispassionately for that kind of yahoo brush-off, so often successful, to play where Tieleman's concerned.

Who are the people disturbed by Bill Tieleman? Liberal careerists and patronage recipients, Liberal sycophants and supplicants, Liberal bloggers and pundits, federal and provincial. Those are the people who are really, seriously afraid of Bill to the point of paranoia.

There's a phrase for it Rod

It's called speaking truth to power.

And folks like the CEO and his minions don't like it much, especially given the free ride they expect from a bought and paid for press.

quarry bay

I frankly thought the column was rubbish. Leyne does his usual blame Glen Clark routine which destroys any credibility he had. It is all getting a bit much when a present Public Affairs Bureau run amok is blamed on a previous government that had a small version of one and when every government has had some version of one since WAC days. Write a column that tells the story without coming up with excuses for the present ringleaders and I might give it some credence.

cfvua

cfvua,
I am truly saddened to read your account of what has actually happened to northern communities since the sale of BC Rail. Campbell promised not to sell it and then he did, and unethically at that! Thanks for your contribution, and keep writing about BC Rail and sharing it with others please. The people of BC deserve to know the bitter fruit that grows from Campbell's manipulations. If you have not yet been, please visit BC Mary's and Bill Tieleman's blogs, but be prepared to be even more frustrated.

http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/
http://billtieleman.blogspot.com/

Skywalker.......

Yea,Les Leyne tosses some blame at the NDP of the past,but he gives a bunch of blame on the Liberals using tax dollars to manipulate the public.......

It`s better than most of Leyne`s rubbish,anyways,I have some breaking news........

Extra extra read all about it.......

Wally Oppall is officialy a sacrificial Lamb,Wally Oppal set to run in the LOST riding of Delta south......

Kash heed to be parachuted into Fraserview riding to try and salvege the riding.........

Here is the deal,Wally Oppal is a dead loss in Fraserview(polling in the teens)...

No Liberal can win in Delta south (power lines,south fraser perimeter road,Burns bog,port expansion,land out of the agriculural reserve) .....

Campbell pleaded and begged and hoped that Vicki Huntington would run for the Liberals in Delta south,Vicki told Campbell to go fly a kite!........

So the Liberals are dead ducks in Delta south,Wally Oppal is a dead duck in Fraserview,so Campbell.......

Has sacrificed Wally Oppal who was dead anyways,and parachuted kash Heed into Fraserview hoping he can possibly bring that riding back!

Kash Heed will lose Fraserview,he doesn`t live there,he lives in Richmond,you know what people think about candidates being parachuted into ridings they don`t live in........

This is PROOF POSITIVE that Campbell`s Liberals are PLUNGING in the POLLS

Cheers

Meet Vicki Huntington.....

Meet the south Delta candidate that told Campbell "NOT INTERESTED in RUNNING as a BC LIBERAL"

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=95cff157-4d46-40b1-9a75-c569644085ab

More sacrificial lamb.....

http://battlegroundbc.com/2009/02/22/wally-oppal-to-run-in-delta-south/

Chalk up two more ridings in the NDP column

Thanks ...

cfvua:

Many, many thanks for your description of how things have changed in the north because of what happened to BC Rail.

Your words remind me that there's added, loaded meaning when the noun "railroad" is used as a verb. British Columbia got railroaded, all right.

Strange how it hurts, isn't it. On my blog I have some YouTube links for BC Rail. Click on them, to see and hear the way it was with the old BC Rail multiple engines. I love to hear the train whistle echoing off the canyons, wheels squealing on the curves ... sometimes in the evening, I listen to them. Yep, it hurts. But it's a good hurt of fond recognition.

I'd like it if you'd drop in at my blog and tell us more.

http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/

Natives get new rights in BC bill

'Change on a seismic scale' boosts status — and economic benefits . . .

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Natives+rights+bill/1358410/story.html

Why is no-one talking about this?

Janie Jones: How does this bill relate to the Basi-Virk case?

Natives get new rights in BC bill
Janie Jones

I am just wondering how this bill relates to the Basi-Virk case.

It's the bigger picture.

The Basi-Virk case is about the unresolved irregularities surrounding the BC Rail sale er, lease to CN. According to deJong, this bill plans is to "introduce a sweeping bill that would recognize the existence of First Nations as the original inhabitants of B.C., with their own laws, governments, territories and title to land" and that these rights "exist throughout the province without proof of claim."

The underlying issue and the public's only legal interest in the theft of BC Rail is their continuing ownership of the railbed, prior title to which is now being transferred to over 200 different Canadian tax-payer supported "nations." At the same time any right that the rest of native born local people and all other citizens have to influence resource development in their regional districts is being legislated away from them by fascist legislation like Bill 30, a small minority are being legislated virtual ownership to all the publicly owned assests of BC.

Native rights bill ---- NOT

This is the CEO's little pet project Janie - I suspect the 'bill' such as it is, was drafted by outsiders - the suspicion is that former AG Geoff Plant may have been involved.

It stems from a commitment Campbell made a couple of months ago to address the natives/government issue directly and without the work and input of the lawyers and experts who know the files, the constitutional requirements and the history.

Mark Hume covered the story in the Globe on December 17, 2008…I’ll quote just a short passage from his piece, which was entitled: ‘B.C. Premier pledges 'historic' legislation to avert protests’

Mr. Campbell said that Michael de Jong, Minister of Aboriginal Relations and Reconciliation, would lead a small provincial team involving Jessica McDonald and Lorne Brownsey, both deputy ministers. On the native side are chiefs John, Atleo and Phillip.

Mr. Campbell said lawyers from the Ministry of the Attorney-General, who normally would be party to any discussions that could rewrite B.C.'s laws, would be left out of the meetings, and he asked native leaders not to bring their legal advisers either.

In short, Janie, this little wrinkle is about little more than the Premier’s effort to ensure the Olympics are not ‘tarnished’ by any major native protests….and that’s about all.

The other questionable aspect of the so-called 'bill' which, I suspect, will NOT be passed in the current session, is that it does not appear to have had any input from the Federal Crown.

Anyone who knows anything about the conflicting jurisdictional and financial issues surrounding native land claims will recognize thet - absent federal government - this bill will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and will likely be about as useful as the statement of 'principles' that hangs, framed, on the wall of most big businesses.

The First Nations of the Province, and the people, should remember that we're dealing with CEO government - not a democratic operation.

Janie Johnson

Thanks Janie Johnson.

Great post.

I think what we are witnessing is Real Estate BC once again in action...drawing up the future blueprint for the "further" partnering of the friends of the Gordon Campbell government with First Nations in order to access for development what is not accessible by any other means.

Step Three: Bye, Bye BC

What if Step One was this:

That "the 990- year sale" of BC Rail wasn't primarily about a rail deal at all? What if it was a land deal that was set up to unfold "sometime" later "down the line"....when people wouldn't be paying quite so close attention.... (they hoped)? What better way to access right of way and rail land that snakes through so much of BC previously inaccessible and prime real estate? (No wonder "six hundred thousand dollars" was spent on "real estate advisors" for this steal of a distracting "rail" deal.)

What if the legislation that Janie Johnson mentioned is Step Two?

(Makes you think of how our inaccessible ALR land became suddenly and conveniently accessible through the use and manipulation of the FN treaty process.)

There is a big picture "under development" here.

Janie is right. We should be paying close attention.

Janie Jones

sorry, Janie...my apologies for getting your surname wrong.

The first nations should

The first nations should remember a lot of things about getting fooled again but I hope you are right GWest that this bill is a just a "little wrinkle" although from what I learned during my involvement with native rights issues in the mid 90s, when push comes to shove, no matter what agreements they have signed with the federal or provincial governments, the chief and councils will not take a stand against radical factions within the band should they wish to protest or blockade in 2010.

Chief Mountain's little publicized victory in court that declared the Nisga'a Treaty to be unconstitutional is what paved the way for the New Relationship:

“I have rights as a Canadian and a Nisga’a which are best protected under the Canadian Constitution, not a constitution passed by a government controlled by family cliques.”
- James Robinson (Chief Mountain)

http://www.canadianconstitutionfoundation.ca/main/page.php?page_id=141

The treaty process is dead. The courts have already declared it to be unconstitutional so that means this bill is equally so. All it needs is for representation of the 95% of British Columbians who would be suddenly be stripped of their birthright by this sleight of hand legislation. No wonder they didn't want any lawyers there.

Thank you Frank & Lynn

It is a fact that the BC Rail line includes some of the most valuable real estate in Canada - West Vancouver & Whistler waterfront - but it is a mere ribbon in comparison to the 75% of BC's landbase that comprises crown land.

It is already happening, this is just some after the fact cake icing legislation. As far as the IPPs go, resource companies have been negotiating directly with Band Corporations that are run by hired hands as if they are the sole "owners" of BC's watesheds for quite some time now.

I think it time for everyone to remember that the Sacred Medicine Wheel, like the current population of BC, contains all four races.

And for the rest of us to start the fight for our native rights.

Exactly, Janie ....Bye Bye Crown Land.....

....if you read between the lines what de Jong is saying here:

"This would recognize that aboriginal rights exist throughout the province without proof of claim," de Jong said. "You should not be required to stand in court and call evidence of your rich history and culture and centuries of presence in this part of the world."

That recognition should speed up treaties and court cases, saving millions of dollars for First Nations.

At the root of the planned legislation is an 1859 declaration by B.C. governor James Douglas that the province's lands were unoccupied and all land in B.C, and minerals beneath the land, belonged to the Crown.

"It's not true. It wasn't true and we need to change that," de Jong said. "I think that opportunity is now, but we have to do it together. We have to lock arms and agree that this is the time, this is the place and this is the measure we can take."

Yes, Minister....all that profitable land and all those profitable "minerals beneath the land"....and all those profitable watersheds just waiting to be released to your drooling corporate friends via that oh-so-clever, catch-22, "partnering" with your new and "most profitable" BFF (best friends forever), First Nations.

May all our elders, First Nations and non- First Nations alike, and all of us that comprise and love the diversity of this province possess the wisdom to see through the folly and the subterfuge of this clever ruse.

This is the legislation that corporations, especially foreign corporations, have been waiting for.

The Scam of the Century

Also bye bye to (according to a legal notice that appeared in the Jan23/09 edition of the Squamish Chief newspaper) "the air space of our mother-earth, surface and sub-surface salt and fresh water, stewardship of all marine life, sea plants, precious metals, precious stones, unrefined-oil, mountains, islands, inlets, creeks, streams, lakes, channels, hot springs, tributaries, estuaries, all raw-resources-surface & subsurface, heavy oil, tar sands, all grades of gravel, all gas, timber, herbs, plants, under story plants, roots, surface and sub-surface water, raw minerals, diamonds, gold, silver, copper, cattle, pot-ash, cattle-range, sheep-range, buffalo range, horse-range, traditional-foods and any and all unmentioned renewable and non-resources."

Anything left out is covered in the unmentioned category.

Levity aside

From a comment on the story about aboriginal school architecture by rangergord:

"Reserves are deeply disfunctional places where the band leaders , parents and children are at one anothers throats, constantly. Throw in the RCMP and social workers and you have one big dysfunctional soup."

Sadly this is the conclusion of many of us who have lived and worked in rural BC most of our lives but I guess this is why the proposed new bill aims to "set out a vision for rebuilding Indigenous Nations and establish a new institution to support and facilitate the process." (from the Hook article on this subject)

A new institution to support and facilitate the process of realizing a vision to rebuild Indigenous Nations. That ought to do it.

More rail deals.... more deja vu

An excerpt from a May, 2005 Tyee Election Central Blog article by Darryl Greer: "Liberal donor won rail service deal".

QUOTE:

"A contract to provide passenger rail service to Whistler was awarded to a longtime BC Liberal supporter, according to a report in Vancouver’s Terminal City newspaper.
The Great Canadian Railtour Company, which also operates Rocky Mountaineer Vacations, was awarded a contract by Canadian National last year to provide passenger rail services along a line from North Vancouver to Whistler.
Canadian Railtour founder Peter Armstrong has donated more than $60,000 to the Liberals, both personally and through his companies, since 2002 according to reports filed with Elections BC.
Armstrong’s former employees include the premier’s son, Nicholas Campbell, as well as CN chairman David McLean’s son, Sacha McLean, according to a recent book by Paul Grescoe, entitled, “Trip of a Lifetime: The Making of the Rocky Mountaineer. The book details Armstrong’s longstanding battle with VIA Rail.
Armstrong’s competitor for the passenger service bid raised questions about the selection process in an interview with Terminal City. “We put in a bid, we were told a lot of things that never happened, and we were told by certain people we had the best bid, said Whistler Railtours CEO John Haibeck. “In my opinion we got screwed."

END OF QUOTE