Unreal

I guess the liberals want to get the child abuser vote.

Need a laugh and a cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D59ZeMm2E00

If my link doesn`t work google up

Bully-the movie-anti-campbell animation parody

Secrets.....

There is a deep, dark secret buried between the lines in this story. Anyone care to state it publicly?

sanamark

That the NDP is to blame?

Nope

No, Frank, but I doubt that the NDP will touch this with an 11 foot pole. They may hold power soon and will have similar issues to contend with.

The SECRET

The secret is that once BC is plundered completely, then Gordo will move to Hawaii and laugh his head off at us stupid voters!

SIG

Well, SIG, what else can you expect from a gov't in love with the US style of business?

Just for example, do you think even one of those corrupt US CEOs who've brought the present mess down on us is going to lose his home and savings?

Campbell and his buddies are no different.

The big dark secret I'll bet

The big dark secret I'll bet sanamark is referring to, is that it's likely that most of these cases involve aboriginal families. It is also very possible that the social workers in question work for first nations' agencies. The government is too frightened to intervene in aboriginal control over children's aid issues.

Am I right, sanamark?

sanamark

So your cryptic deep dark secret turned out to be about the NDP after all, how amazing. What's next? A conspiracy theory about why the NDP never discusses why the Canucks always lose?

Frank

Frank, this seems like a very important social issue. I find the NDP's inattention the matter rather strange, especially when issues such as illegal farm workers figure prominently on their website.

Or perhaps they realise that since they may well form the next government, the same thing could happen to them.

Or are all NDP governments inherently perfect?

Makes little sense,except it clears case load and saves money

The part that makes it reek is if--The kids could or should stay there then they must be funded,to me it appears it is business as usual for Campbell, every chance not to pay out money,what else is new.
Just like the insulin pumps for kids with diabetes,Campbell REALLY despises spending any money on social or "life saving" measures.
Chritisian is really a sorry exscuse for a human being,talking to him is like talking to a toaster! Who`s worse him or IAN BLACK!

I picture in my mind those two clowns locked up in jail WHINING FOR THEIR MOMMIES AND THEIR BLANKEES OR FOR CAMPBELLS BOOT POLISH !!!

sanamark

Sure, by all means blame the NDP. I know you'd never say a word against the Liberals who happen to be in power right now and failed to do what they themselves promised to do in regards to the Hughes Report. If it feels better to instead blame the opposition, go for it.

pure evil

i forgot that quote,what is it ?

"for evil to prevail,good men need do nothing"

children of any race or religion that need our help should get our help.

after all,isn't that why we are in AFGHANISTAN?

so little girls can grow to be TEACHERS?

what lies these evil doers spread with their big smiles and empty rhetoric.

what evil do these highly paid sultans of business invoke at the cost of childrens lives.

what evil will make you stand and say ENOUGH!

I said that ENOUGH back when MATTHEW VAUDRILLE DIED!

apparently, no one heard...

Re inconvenient facts

Sanamark, there's none so blind as those who will not see, and that is perfectly obvious with some bleeding-heart Lefties on this site.

They are as quick to let ideological preference over-ride reason and inconvenient fact as are the Right wingers.

The sad thing about this is while the neocons have concerns other than for the individual, so to do the Lefties, in the guise of such things as "preserving the culture".

They're going to have to figure it out for themselves, and that will require taking off the blinders, which they are not yet prepared to do.

matters not

it does not matter the politics of who is in charge.

it only matters that INNOCENTS DIE because some one does not care enough.SOCIETY DOES NOT CARE ENOUGH.

PERIOD

never mind left , right , mind the children .

sanamark: I did contribute

sanamark:
I did contribute something to this discussion!
Not my fault that you do not see what is coming.
again here it is:
"The secret is that once BC is plundered completely, then Gordo will move to Hawaii and laugh his head off at us stupid voters!"
Perhaps you need a lengthy explanation as to how this government has screwed up? I doubt you would grasp it!
What is clear is that Gordo has a hardon for Hawaii, and have no feelings for BC.
My prediction is that he will quietly retire as soon as he gets defeated, leaving us (and his wife) to pick up the pieces of the wreckage!
Is that clear enough?

MAY 5 2008 in the legislature

Chritisian---" Back in the gloom and doom of the nineties when the NDP built useless fast ferries there were similar cases before the minister of children and family services but as for this paticular case I cannot comment because it is currently before the courts!"

thanks, lynn

Thanks for correcting sanamark's glaring error, lynn.

Obviously, the NDP did not need more time to comment upon this sort of thing. They have already raised the issue. Too bad the Libs pared question period down to next to nothing and too bad they refuse to answer so many questions. I guess without holding the fall sitting of the Legislature, the NDP won't even be permitted a few questions. After all, the MSM will probably not follow up on this.

The Campbell government and the MSM continues to be immoral and unethical.

May 5, 2008: The BC Legislature

Big Media too busy reporting on real estate trends to report this:

M. Karagianis: What a complete and abject failure of this government on this file.

The Child in the Home of a Relative program. A child is placed without a review, without a home study, and MCFD simply closes the file. The Minister of Income Assistance opens the file but does nothing in the way of child protection. It is simply a financial arrangement, as the minister has just admitted. This government is placing more and more children into this program, and it is an absolute failure.

Here we have the latest tragedy, which is a child who went from a foster home into the home of a relative, and subsequently a tragedy occurred. I know that when he was questioned about this in estimates by the current critic, he said here that the Child in the Home of a Relative program is actually an income assistance program. It's not a child protection program — washed his hands of it completely.

The Minister of Children and Families has a responsibility. I would like to ask him today: when will this program be transferred into the appropriate hands? To the Minister of Children and Family Development: do the right thing today and transfer this program into your own department, where these children can be protected......

Mr. Speaker: Member has a supplemental.

M. Karagianis: Well, clearly the protections are not in place, and that is the problem here. Protections are not in place. Once these children get moved into the home of a relative, there are no protections and oversight in place.

The Children and Youth Representative, Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond, asked the government back in April of 2007 — over a year ago — for jurisdiction over these children. There are some 4,000 children — perhaps as high as 4,700 — in the home of a relative, and they are not under her jurisdiction.

We have canvassed this repeatedly. I canvassed this with the minister in estimates last year. The question now is whether or not this jurisdiction is going to be extended.

Will the Minister of Children and Families stop dragging his feet on this file, this part of the file, and extend the jurisdiction of the Children and Youth Representative to cover children in the home of a relative?....

May 5, 2008: The BC Legislature

Just another day in the legislature that Big Media failed to report on...all just a Big Yawn to them....they've got better things to do like....what's happening on the the Sea-to-Sky Hwy...Big Important Stuff like that.

A. Dix: Well, the Minister of Employment and Income Assistance is responsible in this House for Child in the Home of a Relative. He's responsible in this House. The number of children in the homes of relatives has increased by a very significant margin — more, actually, than the total number of children who are involved in the kith-and-kin program. There are 600 more children in that program today than there were five years ago.

My question to the minister is this. Why is it that more children are being placed in this program? The number of children in foster care is going down. The number of children in this program is going dramatically up. What are the results of the review? This case happened in 2006. Since then the government has been stonewalling — from the Attorney General to the Minister of Income Assistance to the Minister of Children and Families — from allowing the child representative to take over responsibility.

If it's the case that we've had an increase of 600 children, why is that the case? Is the minister assuring this House today that every single one of those 600 incremental cases has received the proper review?.....

.

Mr. Speaker: The member has a supplemental.

A. Dix: It's very simple. The Minister of Employment and Income Assistance right now is responsible for these children. He is responsible. There's been a dramatic increase in the number of children in this program. If what the minister says is true, that shouldn't be happening — 600 new children incremental, an increase in this program.

My question is very simple to the Minister of Employment and Income Assistance. What is the reason? If they aren't diverting — to save money — children into this program, what is the reason for the dramatic increase in Child in the Home of a Relative in his ministry?....

Lynn

Lynn says:

"Big Media doesn't bother reporting this.... too busy trailing car chases:"

And :[b]

"Just another day in the legislature that Big Media failed to report on...all just a Big Yawn to them....they've got better things to do like....what's happening on the the Sea-to-Sky Hwy...Big Important Stuff like that."

Lynn, Big Media journalism could make plenty of hay with this one, esp the Province with its tabloid style, but even they won't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

Guess why.

the real secret

And no, I'm not a member of the NDP....

Just one question: The party in power in BC presently is the BC Liberals, isn't it?

So if that is the case, how it's 'posed to work, logically: is that, they, the BCLiberals are both responsible and accountable in this case.

Accordingly, they should not be (as some would like to have it) beyond public scrutiny, despite Big Media's finest efforts to protect them from just that.

No, this is the Campbell government's policy - and this is both their action (and their inaction ) in regard to this tragedy.

This happened on their watch.

No one else's.

And if the tragedy of this situation is to be addressed it is they who must do just that. For they are the only ones with the power to do so. So quit deflecting blame. ....and yes, all political parties should be held accountable for the results of their policies.

I think Maurine Karagianis's quote below, reveals the real secret embedded in this tragedy... the one motive that governs all BC Liberal "so-called" social policy:

It's very late

Sorry, ME2, I didn't see your post before I posted my last comment above. I was just making a general comment to who(m)ever was still out there.;-)

As I say above, this government's motive was not guided by any genuine concern for the welfare of aboriginal or non-aboriginal children.... it centered around "financial arrangements"....their usual prime quest of how not to have to fund the social safety net.

That's the faulty and coy flimsiness this structure was based on. Nothing of real strength or accountability built in...so it's too easy to blame those caught in this whole charade of a process.

The blame belongs with the government.

Oh, and sanamark

If you needed any further refutation of your claim(s) yesterday after Lynn more or less completely routed them, you can refer to this article on the Hook:
http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/BC-Politics/2008/09/19/UnsafeHomesJames/

G West

G West has added the exclamation point to a series of posts by several Tyee regulars. sanamark and his ilk have been provided with examples that date back to 1994 to today's Carole James statement. The postings prove the NDP to be consistent in doing their best to provide for the welfare of children - doubly so for children whose lives are at risk.

Whether in government or in the opposition, the NDP has always been on the side of children. The Campbell government has again proven to be inept.

I notice that the Liberal media monitors, here, at the Tyee, seemed to have backed away from this issue. I think they want the awfulness of their actions/inactions to quietly go away. I thank sanamark for his uninformed and biased remarks. They have allowed this comparison of the NDP and the Liberals.

In regard to Christiansen, no matter what portfolio he gets, nothing seems to happen - but he generally looks good in the photo ops. Like his leader, all package, little substance.

erratum

that date back to 1994 to today's Carole James statement

that date back from 1994 to today's Carole James statement

psychopaths have no conscience

and they are what the politicians are made up of in our governments.

they talk of the sacrifices of THE FEW , so that THE PEOPLE may ENDURE.

same crap i heard when I was in the military

you give your pathetic little life , so I may eat like a pig and live like a king.

it is in our way of life and none of you are going to change it.

you live by those sickening guidelines every day of your lives,

you bleat all day long , til you get to the slaughterhouse and then ,it is your turn to sacrifice your life for the good of the others.

you got a job ? you got a house ? you got a car ? what have you got ?

what have you got that has not come at the expense of another human being ?

we are all COMPLICIT in the deaths of these children.

and what is even more sickening is the fact that the FINGER POINTING NEVER STOPS.

the word REVOLUTION and incendiary language on pages like this have been banned , by people more interested in making money and staying alive.so no one can really do anything .

so bleat and point fingers , you time is coming.

soon , you will be the sacrifice.

and who will bleat 4 U ?

ULTIMATUM TO CANADIAN PUBLIC SERVANTS

End the coverup of crimes committed against my child and family! Horrendous lies and their cover up systematically ruined our child’s health and life. Liars with their protectors have been spending enormous efforts, resources, time and money to coverup very serious crimes, but only our Family Doctor and our children’s teachers have ever tried to reduce the unspeakable injustice, abuse and inhuman cruelty superimposed upon our family. Canadians and the rest of the world are craftily deceived that Canada is governed by the rule of law, that everyone is equal before and under the law, that Canadian officials must obey the law, or receive correctional services like everyone else. Grossly illegal and cruel treatment of our family, perpetrators' absolute impunity and ongoing coverup represent undeniable evidence of the opposite. Rather than admit any wrongdoing, officials condemned us (“he will try to take someone with him”) to violent deaths, as predicted in the “Threat Assessment”. All informed accept all possible variables of that “someone“ - tens to hundreds of dead and injured people, nobody accepted any peaceful solution we sought. It is in the public interest to know the factual, utterly corrupt and disastrous state of Canadian public service and justice and radically improve them. Until then, countless lives of other powerless children and families will be ruined or terminated courtesy of their government. Perpetrators are confident that you all will indefinitely coverup their crimes and calmly, day after day, wait for the predicted loss of many lives, instead of trying to save them. Any reasonable person capable of discriminating between right and wrong would not hesitate for a second before making the right choice. What about YOU? Let justice be done though the heavens fall! Or, the predicted massacre and murders must happen. HONOR YOUR OATH. Or RESIGN.
more at http://fcase.blogharbor.com/blog

it's clear to me....

that there are people here who KNOW what it is like to work inside of the child protection system....and those who clearly do not. Sanamark is 100% correct in citing the policy. And there are more First Nations children in government care in BC than children who are not First Nations. Why? THAT is a history lesson that everyone in Canada should be well aware of, (but many are not). Social workers do the best they can with 50+ investigations on their caseloads. Does anyone really and truly comprehend the level of responsibility on the shoulders of a protection worker? We don't do the job for fame, (as is clearly demonstrated by Skywalker) and we don't do the job for the $$ (there isn't much!) We do it because we care about children and do the best we can with government cuts, little funding and a mandate to keep children with family members rather than foster care. Don't even get me started on the lack of foster homes! Until SOCIETY starts valuing our most vulnerable children, appropriate funding is not going to be given to the front-line workers who are struggling to manage incredible risk to those children. It's a much bigger picture than just blaming the front-line workers, people!!!

tired in bc - I'm confused?

Hi tired...,

I admire the work you do. I am not in child protection, but I do work closely with many people from various ministries. I have had to make calls to "colleagues" in MCFD to have abused children removed for their own protection. I have worked in a professional capacity with women and children who have been abused; and I have also done some extremely difficult and seemingly successful work with abusers of every stripe. I'm confused by one of your comments. Will you please tell me what is the policy that you believe sanamark to be 100% correct in citing? I have reread his posts; and I fail to see any government policy that he is 100% correct in citing. As far as I can tell, he bashes the NDP at every opportunity, but never correctly. Sanamark (as Frank and Lynn have pointed out) even tries to turn this Liberal crisis in child protection into an NDP issue.

I don`t hear anyone blaming front line workers

Tired in BC

Only morons would blame front line workers!

Every(intelligent)poster on this site blame Campbell and his cronies.

The part you mention about first nations is true and you ask why?

I will probably get lambasted for this comment but here goes.

The reserve system doesn`t work,for decades now the money sent to Indian affairs works out to about 100.000 per native Indian per year.
The cheifs have learned well from whitey goverment,most money doesn`t get past the cheifs as illistrated earlier this year when the squamish band held a sit in demanding money from the head honchos.

It serves the cheifs well to keep their people poor!
Squeaky wheels get grease,there was a cheif from north eastern Canada who was interviewed last year about alcoholism and suicide rates in their band,the cheif went on to say that the biggest problem his band had was money,the fact that everyone gets a cheque each month no one will work,he went on to say that until the free flow of money stops it will never improve!

Yes sins were committed against first nations for far to long but until first nations intigrate into modern society nothing will change.

Seems to me other groups have integrated quite well--Japanese,Chinese,the Irish,the Polish(my background)the hindu,Pakastani,Dutch,and others,sure they were here first but minority groups have lands, money,woman and just about everything else stolen from them over the years and life goes on.

My grandfather,a polish immagrant was treated like shit in Winnipeg,he did all the work for the company he worked for and never got credit or promoted and when he got to old and tired to work he was fired with no pention no nothing,fortunately he saved almost every penny he made and he got by, with NO GOVERMENT PENSION OR HANDOUTS!
There are many wealthy Indian bands on the sunshine coast and the lower mainland.

I have seen the cheifs up here many times on the ferries and usually they are heading to the casinos in richmond with pockets stuffed full of cash!

I worked(in construction) with a native man that told me he could not stand to be on the reserve anymore,too many drugs alcohol,too much soap opera,too much lazy entitlement.
Sadly todays politicians use native affairs as a political football and none of them can speak the truth out of political correctness.

So until we face facts that reality will persist.

In no means does that give Campbell a pass,by far Gordon Campbell is the worst premier in BC history and his crimes will be written in the history books!

The Truth about MCFD

It must be publically stated there is MUCH the public and even the child welfare community do not know about what happens inside of MCFD, how bad, risky decisions are made and why social workers are ALWAYS the ones scapegoated and thrown on the pyre. The wholesale destruction of an occupational group, that is largely female is a fact that is being covered up and denied.

Sean Holman released these numbers, which are no coincidence:
In 2001/02 MCFD employees took sick leaves at 10.97 days per employee. The numbers for the 2007/08 fiscal year, MCFD employees took $7.3 million in sick leave, which is equal to 47,313 sick days, or an average of 12.39 days per employee - significantly more than the 8.55 day average across government.

What is also very important to highlight is that all Ministries under the Campbell government are failing children and youth in BC. Go to the BC Coroners Service website. You will find that the BCCS & the Child Death Review Unit have not made public the numbers of children & youth who have died (and the causes) since 2004. As mentioned on our blog below, the current director of the Child Death Review Unit is a former Director of Child Protection from the Northern region, where you may recall, the Representative recently released a report admonishing MCFD yet again for failing to improve practice and conditions that her office concluded were implicated in the deaths of four children.

Amanda, Savannah, Rowen and Serena: From loss to learning (2.3 Mb)

http://www.rcybc.ca/Content/Publications/Reports.asp

It is crucial to recognize that Aboriginal children and youth are dramatically over-represented in these CIHR cases, in child & youth deaths and in foster care when considering their total population in BC. The work Lesley Du Toit is here to do for Campbell and his minions (and overlords) is to dismantle the child welfare system and devolve everything from direct government to communities and regions. As many have vigorously noted, Community Living BC is the best example of that work and failure and the impacts and consequences devolution has on children, youth and adults and their families. As a society we all MUST do better for our vulnerable children & youth. Read more here:

Human Rights, Justice & Dignity for BC's Children NOW!

It is time for some serious discussions to take place about the administration, competence and accountability of the leadership of the Ministry of Children & Family Development.

http://bcliberalssuck.blogspot.com/

And here is a promise. When the NDP get in as a majority government in BC, if they have an interest in that, be very clear that your government will also become the target of the wrath of the people if you do not act with integrity, ethics and in the public interest for the children, youth and families of BC. It is one the commitments you are making to the people of BC if they should decide to place you in power in the People's House.

What is the real issue here?

Having known a number of social workers over my lifetime, and having discussed with them the many dilemmas they encounter daily in the practice of their jobs, every time the topic is discussed I recall Nancy Wilson (?) singing "And so another social worker burns out".

They too see undeserving people play the system while deserving people who are trying are denied. They too see rules that defy common sense, and bureaucracies which see people only as statistics, and so seek to turn social workers into rule-following automatons.

So you can see why I utterly despise those neocone who slag social workers, esp since doing so is simply a pro forma regurgitation of their unreasoning attacks upon ALL government workers.These are truly despicable people, IMO.

I have little more respect for those Lefties on this site who, in deliberately avoiding the specifics of this discussion, seek to turn it into a political football with which they can play their propagandistic games.

Their crocodile tears contribute absolutely nothing towards solving the problems at hand. In fact they serve only to muddy the waters by intoducing Provincial politics, since it appears FN politics are playing the major role here.

So for whom do you hold your concern folks, your dislike of the Campbell gov't - which I share - or the kids being victimized by adult games?

point 2 me2

another questioning the issue here...

good on you me2

what are CONCERNED CITEZENS TO DO FOR THE CHILDREN ?

what can we REALLY do?

do we shake our head and hide in nihilism ?

blame others for our inactions ?

we seem to give raises to these front line workers every time they bitch and kvetch ,like a bribe to shut them up , yet some don't , some are the governments worst enemies , some ,the govts best friends.

gee , we could debate who ,what ,when ,where , why , all effin debate long and still ,where are the children ?

what disgusting, filthy,circumstances have to be shoved in your face before any action takes place.

and god forbid if it is a child dear to you,what you gonna do then ?

lord help me,if it is my blood,there will be no place to hide for anyone .

so what is to be done so circumstances do not get TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL ?

or is it too late ?

Garth_Harris

Garth, I have no idea where you're coming from or what you're talking about, and what's more, I don't think I care.

"So for whom do you hold

"So for whom do you hold your concern folks, your dislike of the Campbell gov't - which I share - or the kids being victimized by adult games?"

this is either caring or confusion .

after reading your postings,i don't think you are a confused person.

but this is saturday morning and still early .so maybe last nights BUZZ hasn't worn off yet !

regardless,i am still going to mark you down as a DEFENDER of the INNOCENTS.

that is ,until you prove me wrong .

anyways,hope the fog clears me2

dude

How's your brother doing? I've missed him...and you.

false dichotomy

"So for whom do you hold your concern folks, your dislike of the Campbell gov't - which I share - or the kids being victimized by adult games?"

One is not exclusive of the other. It is not an either/or situation.

I don't believe that enlightened BC citizens can truly care about kids being victimized without having disdain for the games that Campbell government plays.

SIG

in the guise of....

I agree, Sharing.

ME2,

One of the reasons the abuse of children, both aboriginal and non-aboriginal, is not being addressed is the way this whole mess was basically an arrow haphazardly shot into the air by the Campbell government..... it, (the government), not caring how or where it landed.

Just as long as they could check names off their funding list.

No one is defending abuse taking place within First Nations or without. The thing is this could have been a program that proceeded in a series of steps, a transitional monitored process that would support First Nations social workers and with built in safeguards.

It wasn't - because one of the main aims of this government has been to remove funding previously targeted to address social problems....and do it as quickly and as surreptitiously as possible. Funding they can then re-direct to more important projects eg. to their corporate buddies in the form of subsidization of those P3's...where the public pays and the privateers rake in the profits using our tax dollars.

We as people with all our messy social and human problems are in the way of this inhuman government. All of us.

Children. Seniors. First Nations. The Disabled. The Homeless.

So they create programs that make it look like they care...when really it's just another guise to cut funding (funding we provided from our tax dollars)... so they can slam the door on the people of this province.... in order to fund and open all the doors for their special friends.

That's pretty well what happened here.

My guesses

Lynn, take off the blinders. Both the Fed and Prov gov'ts have turned over the bulk of their services to the Bands to administer. They pay for the services and pay FNs to provide them. Since they must still oversee the programs, I suspect this is costing them more not less, to do so.

The biggest squawk the Bands have had was regarding placement of foster children off-reserve, with militants charging our gov'ts with "cultural genocide" for doing so. So the Prov gov't now funds the Bands to find on-reserve placements, which they've claimed could be easily done.

My guess is that the Bands are faced with the same problem as faced "white" social workers, in that the responsible grandparents who have traditionally cared for these children, already have their hands more than full.

This puts the militants in a bind, doesn't it? So my further guess is that they have been less than careful in their placements than they should be.

IMO, since Campbell had a situation impossible to solve as long as he owned this hot potato, he did a smart thing by letting the Bands juggle it for a while.

Please take note that I titled this as "My guess", which is all it is. If anyone has the facts and figures, it's high time we stopped beating around the bush.

Smart Thing?

When you know that a system is broken and you have hired an expert to help you come up with sollutions, is it a "smart thing" to let the Bands "handle it" while innocent children continue being abused and killed? Though I understand the conundrum, to my way of thinking, this is when the greatest leadership is needed - not buck-passing. It was, after all, Campbell's down-sizing and buck-passing without due oversight that made the situation far worse than when the Liberals assumed power. And let's not forget that both, Campbell and the Feds, are at fault here.

On a similar note, outside of the CBC, I haven't been seeing MSM coverage for victims of The Highway of Tears. The MSM and the Campbell government just don't seem to care.

Slapdash and reckless

This is Campbell's argument on everything that money for programs has increased. But the question is who is getting the money? Management?...because if costs have increased then they obviously are not using it towards providing any kind of effective oversight or planning.

Who is this money going to? My guess is that is not going to fund front line workers...or effective resources.

I can think of a few alternatives that would still allow First Nations children to stay in their own community that would not involve putting them at risk.

Provide the real oversight. Provide the necessary funding. Use some imagination.

I don't see it as smart....I see it as irresponsible - especially the way it has been haphazardly addressed. Read the Auditor's report. It reveals an extremely flawed process - a disconnect between management and social workers. It also confirms that the Ministry does not report on how well aboriginal children or child protection sertvices are being delivered.

According to the report there was a lack of resources, lack of funding, and lack of planning.

It also revealed there was little consultation with First Nations, little consultation on needs, and little measurement for outcomes.

Bottom line: No one in government cared enough...or they cared more about another agenda.

I still say the carelessness and undirected approach evident in this program was a convenient and slapdash "opportunity" for the Campbell government to remove "human costs" from a social safety net they simply do not want to fund.

Lynn

You state :

"I can think of a few alternatives that would still allow First Nations children to stay in their own community that would not involve putting them at risk."

If that is the case, then you should by all means share those ideas with the Bands, since I'm sure they'd welcome almost any solution for this "conundrum" (as SIG aptly called it).

And if you think social programs on the reserves are being underfunded, esp if in the same manner as are services to non-aboriginals, then you are grossly mistaken. You need to do some unbiased research.

Well, this line of discussion is going nowhere, so I think I've said enough.

ethical change

Whenever politicians make changes to the way social programs are implemented, they should expect higher costs. After all, one must keep the original system functioning while the new system is being built up and able to run on its own. Oversight is always needed, even without change; doubly so, with change.

When working with people, one cannot replace educated and seasoned veterans with new people without expecting poorer results. New staff, be they FN or not, need time to be trained and they need a strong support structure. Campbell did not allow for this nor did he provide oversight to make sure the new folks have been being successful.

QUOTE "Whenever politicians

QUOTE "Whenever politicians make changes to the way social programs are implemented, they should expect higher costs. After all, one must keep the original system functioning while the new system is being built up and able to run on its own. Oversight is always needed, even without change; doubly so, with change.

When working with people, one cannot replace educated and seasoned veterans with new people without expecting poorer results. New staff, be they FN or not, need time to be trained and they need a strong support structure. Campbell did not allow for this nor did he provide oversight to make sure the new folks have been being successful." END QUOTE

hey ! these people are " THE BEST OF THE BEST"

thats why all those burecrats got those HUMUNGOUS RAISES and laughed in our faces while they skipped to their banks ,going nah,na,na,nah,na,na ,your a stupid taxpayer ,na,nah,na,nah,na,nah

when you got the best you can get ,you got to pay them to keep them ,na.nah.na,nah,na,nah ,your a stupid taxpayer and you don't know nuthin,you stupid ,you

Lynn

Do we call this guy "Ronnie Retread" ?

ME2

I don't think it's the return of Ronnie, ME2.

I think he's being sarcastic....trying to tell us how those bureaucrats who purport to be "the best of the best" are really just robbing us blind....and "skipping to their banks".

That's the tone I pick up....'course I've been wrong before. :-)

Massive pay raises

Baldrey on global news today stated that the pay raises are smaller than they were originally stated to be and Baldrey stated and I quote "Jessicca Mcdonald will be receiving no wage increase" later on Cknw who put the story on their news cast stated the same thing except they added one item to the news story and I quote "Jessicca Mcdonald who received the largest pay hike will not take the money at this time"

What a joke--Also bobble head Abbott stated on the global news at noon today that his goverment has made it to their committment of 5000 new bed for seniors!

What a joke,everyone knows they committed to 5000 long term care beds--Abbott has lumped thousands of peoples own beds into that mix, what they call assisted living beds,I gather that to mean that perhaps a worker comes by once a week to see if their still breathing!