Wimps

I agree, all we hear is "gimme"!

Small kids are like that too, they want everything, but are not ready to share or contribute.

As I see it people who do not pay taxes are sucking on "our" society and should quit while the going is good.

Past injustices should be investigated and if possible rectified, but that does not mean that the next generation should wind up born into some advantages.

It is bad enough that certain families can pass on ill-gotten gains to the next generation through inheritance, but at least that is taxed!

We are a nation of wimps! we are so cowed that we buckle under for anything that might smack of political incorrectness, without daring to question it.

I'm sorry alive, you are misinformed

Your statement, quoted above, is simply untrue.

It is untrue because Canada (sadly) does not have an inheritance tax:

It is bad enough that certain families can pass on ill-gotten gains to the next generation through inheritance, but at least that is taxed!

Please note the following:

any GST/HST credit or Canada Child Tax Benefit payments, as well as those from related provincial and territorial programs;
child assistance payments and the supplement for handicapped children paid by the province of Quebec;
compensation received from a province or territory if you were a victim of a criminal act or a motor vehicle accident;
lottery winnings;
most gifts and inheritances;
amounts paid by Canada or an ally (if the amount is not taxable in that country) for disability or death due to war service;
most amounts received from a life insurance policy following someone's death; and
most payments of the type commonly referred to as "strike pay" you received from your union, even if you perform picketing duties as a requirement of membership.
Note
Income earned on any of the above amounts (such as interest you earn when you invest lottery winnings) is taxable.

If you doubt this, please confirm here:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/topics/income-tax/return/completing/reporting-income/nottaxed-e.html

[COMMENT OFFENSIVE TO OTHERS REMOVED. -EDITOR]!

So now I'll tell you the truth.

Carbon credits have no value. It was invented by the usual suspects who happen to have fantastically high IQs, but no morals. David Suzuki claimed that carbon dioxide is the most serious 'greenhouse gas.' He's wrong. Water vapour is the most serious greenhouse gas. Carbon dioxide is entirely incidental to any decrease or increase in the temperature of our atmosphere.

Carbon dioxide is not capable of absorbing rebounding infrared radiation to the degree that it has any effect on the temperature of the atmosphere.

Even if carbon dioxide was culpable, on a global scale, if Canada disappeared from the map the amount we produce or don't produce would have exactly ZERO effect on the overall production of global anthropogenic carbon dioxide heating. (If such a thing actually existed--which it doesn't)

The entire carbon credit scam is brought to you by the same global wizards who brought you the Aidist hoax, the pretense that fuel hydrocarbons are 'fossil fuels,' the hoax that we're running out of fuel hydrocarbons as in the "Peak Oil" hoax; the people who brought you "Global Warming." Not to mention the global snakes who engineered the major wars in order to keep the cash rolling into their coffers.

Not to mention the so-called 'Federal Reserve,' which is actually a consortium of privately owned banks. (By my estimate the second greatest hoax of all time, with 'Global Warming' taking the number one spot.

And last, but not least, the folks who brought you 911.

No use in my saying: "Come on, people, smarten up."

[OFFENSIVE COMMENT REMOVED. -EDITOR.]

But thanks to Tyee for your all-time most ridiculous and hilarious article.

I hope the native people get their share of this hoax money. Maybe it'll make up for the sale of Manhattan.

I agree, editor. The remarks which you

have removed were indeed 'offensive,' not to mention insulting.

My remarks concerned the degree of intelligence possessed by anyone who would believe such nonsense as 'anthropogenic carbon dioxide heating' and have faith that the carbon credit scam will increase the livability of our planet.

What if only people who aren't so smart would believe these things?

Should my comments be removed if I am offensive, but unfortunately correct?

To clarify and remind...

The Tyee has the most basic rules of civility on its comments threads. Take issue with the articles, argue, debate, but refrain from racist, sexist, defamatory or personally insulting statements. In the comment that I edited, notice that I removed only the sentence that insulted the rest of the commenters on the site. Your argument remains. I urge you to refrain from questioning the intelligence of those who disagree and focus instead on their arguments.

Thanks.

Egads!

Dr Mr. Green.... Prove that oil is abiotic. Please, oh please just once and for all, cut the suspense and put us all out of our misery, and enlighten us as to the origin of all oil. Of course you'll also have the decency to explain why both the sciences of geology and biology are both in on the conspiracy. I can't speak for the rest of society, but count me in on what ever you're smoking.

On second though, I withdraw the question on the slim chance you might actually try to answer the question....

Hoaxes

Green: What about the JFK conspiracy? Or Area 51? What about the conspiracy the US government is deploying that stops anyone from taking you seriously?

Some advice on debate: don't call AIDS a hoax even if you believe it is, when arguing about environmental issues. It really makes it hard for people to take you seriously, the same way as it makes it hard for you to take me seriously if I tell you I'm writing this from the psychiatric ward of a hospital. Picture it. I've lost credibility haven't I? Or maybe, in your eyes, I've GAINED?

I actually don't mind paying

some kind of Restitution To Aboriginal People Tax, but I'd rather it come from house and land taxes. and assigned a mil rate.

But another energy tax, no way.

Even if the whole man-made global warming weren't an outrageous hoax, it's the land we occupied, not the energy we consume that is the basic bone of contention between Europeans and the First Nations.

The hoax is accomplished by ignoring or discounting very basic evidence, each of which is capable of blowing apart the construct.
1 switching cause and effect,( first it warms then CO2 levels rise, taking from 800-1900 years to do it)
2 totally ignoring the fact that the whole solar system is warming
3 water vapour is 95% of the "Greenhouse Effect" and is a self regulating system...it rains!
4 CO2 is a trace gas present only at 380 ppm or .038% of the total atmosphere. Our contribution is 2-5% of .038%.

There's even more evidence as to why CO2 isn't capable of changing climate.

I sure do understand Truman's feeling of frustration, but I know how quirky perception and belief and trust are.

clubo, you can easily prove that

oil is not a 'fossil fuel' yourself.

Start your search by googling the word 'abiotic.' There's 3 million 70,000 entries available.

Then take a look at the photos beamed back to earth from the Cassini-Huygens spacecraft of, guess what?--oily lakes on Titan. No life on Titan and never has been!

I've posted the links several times on this forum.

Next think about the fact that it has been exhaustively verified in the lab that oil can be produced abiotically--without dead animals and plants.

Then think about the fact that there's no science behind the fossil fuel theory--only a declaration of origin.

If fuel hydrocarbons were biotically derived we'd have run out of the stuff many years ago, because only a tiny percentage of the fossils would have been available for the exact pressurization and heating that can yield fuel hydrocarbons.

Start here, clubo, (Abiotic oil) but keep an open mind, eh.

The 'fossil fuel' idea is the buttress for scarcity economics, along with its ugly twin sister, Peak Oil.

Among many of the 'funny things' associated with the controversy is that there is no science to back up the fossil fuel theory.

Nasa's got some good photos of Titan's oily lakes. Take a look, clubo.

But to be honest I sincerely believe that you already know that the fossil fuel theory is little more than a joke.

Rhea, now you've got it... it's a ponzi

scheme--carbon credits, that is. I'm just hoping the Mad Magazine tv show will take it up. Afterall it's the funniest hoax ever to hit planet earth.

Oh, and Shabbaranks, seeing as how you've given me advice on being taken seriously regarding calling Aidism a 'hoax,' google this:

"Aids cases drop dramatically, but mostly due to bad data."

The International Herald Tribune article is as good as any. It's all about the Aidists exaggerating the number of Aids victims in order to keep the gravey train rolling.

Aids is a 'false flag' scheme, wherin Hiv, a completely harmless retrovirus particle is claimed to be the cause of a deadly immunosuppression. Hiv takes the blame, while the real culprit 'mycoplasma' also genetically engineered from a regular mycoplasma to attack the human immune system IS THE REAL CULPRIT.

You see, it's just classic scapegoatism--create two engineered pathogens, one from SIV40 or SIV (possibly vishna virus). One of them will be completely harmless, the other deadly and almost impossible to detect by antibody-antigen testing. Create a pathetically ridiculous virological paradigm whereby a healthy immune system is diagnosed as malfunctioning by virtue of the fact that it produces non-specific antibodies to a non-specific antigen. Then ignore the fact that the production of antibodies means that the immune system is actually perfectly healthy. Then collect your hundred of billions in funding to develope a vaccine which will be verified only by usage of surrogate markers such as viral load, CD4 count and antibody response, ignoring completely the presence or absence of clinical illness--which should be the deciding marker for pathenogenesis of any virus. If your hiv-positive patient doesn't real get sick, pretend that it takes 20 years. Feed him deadly chemotherapies known as antiretrovirals to make sure he gets sick, meanwhile.

Aidism is not only a hoax. It's a frightenly transparent hoax.

Oil on Titan

This kind of "evidence" Truman?

http://www.titanoilandgas.com/

or this kind?

Until recently, many scientists expected the methane in Titan's atmosphere to come from seas, or even an ocean, of liquid hydrocarbons on the moon. And when NASA's Cassini spacecraft arrived at Titan earlier this year and released the Huygens probe, many were hoping for a splashdown. Instead, Huygens landed on solid ground, and Cassini failed to spot the kind of reflections expected of a liquid surface as it flew by the moon.

or maybe this one:

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2004/10/11/daily23.html

I also found this - along with a whole lot of other references - among the 547,000 google hits:

petroleum geology is an empirical field which has evolved largely by trial and error. Petroleum geologists have learned the hard way where to drill (and where not to drill); in the process they have developed a theoretical model that WORKS. It is somewhat difficult to believe that generations of smart petroleum geologists missed huge amounts of oil. Gold tried to demonstrate just that, and all that he managed to do was to recover 80 barrels of oil in total, oil that was later shown to be most likely the result of contamination of the drilling mud. Nothing prevents others from trying again, but so far the results are not encouraging.

So, the abiotic oil theory is irrelevant to the debate about peak oil and it would not be worth discussing were it not for its political aspects. If people start with the intention of demonstrating that the concept of "peak oil" was created by a "Zionist conspiracy" or something like that, anything goes. In this case, however, the debate is no longer a scientific one. Fortunately, as Colin Campbell said, "Oil is ultimately controlled by events in the geological past which are immune to politics."

Whaddaya suppose that means?

Doing your job, still, eh G.West. So Gold's

little experiment only got 80 barrels. The entire Russian oil exploration industry is based on the abiotic theory of fuel hydrocarbon origin.

After you're finished reading the 'abiotic' sites, Clubo, think about the Cassini-Huygens photos of oily lakes on Titan, then wonder why this discovery is all but ignored on the television news and gossip programs. Why? It tends to put the 'scarcity economics' of Peak Oil into disrepute. And, of course, the entire oil and gas industry (and largely unnearned profits) is based on 'scarcity economics."

G.West pretends that because Cassini-Huygens didn't actually land IN an oily lake that oily lakes don't exist of Titan.

Anyone who take G.West seriously is advised to merely google: "Photos of oily Lakes on Titan."

Weird how you can't get any of the Peak Oilists to comment as prolifically as they were a few years ago.

Maybe the serious-minded among us have realized that if "Peak Oil" is true, we certainly don't have to worry about the carbon dioxifiction of our atmosphere. If we're really running out of the stuff (fuel hydrocarbons) the problem will take care of itself. And so Peak Oil, and the global warming hoax are not compatible--which would explain the sudden hibernation of the Peak Oil theorists.

Realist, I'm developing an appliation form

with which we first nations people can apply for our share of the carbon credit scam big pie, eh. (my ancestors were Crees, Seminoles and African slaves). Surely Canadians owe me a big fat check for their buddies (the Americans) making my great, grea, great grandparents work for free and for stealing all of my Native ancestors' land.

Bring on the Carbon Credit Bucks, eh.

Good on you, brother Porter!

YooHoo CofR....

Do have a look here.
http://www.gasresources.net/

You too Westie, old boy!

Mopled, that's a fantastic site!

Anyone who wants to know anything about the origin of fuel hydrocarbons should go there and read all of the articles.

You'll be surprised to learn that the biggest indication that fuel hydrocarbons are 'fossil fuels' is that they often have biomarkers in them. Which, as one of the authors writes is like saying elephants came from pianos because they both have ivory.

The biomarkers claim has long been proven to be a myth, but you won't be reading about it in 'scarcity-economics'-supported Western media sources.

In fact entire abiotic-biotic controversy
is almost entirely ignored in the West.

So...'fossil fuels' is more than just a silly joke. It's part of the whole 'scarcity-economics' program.

To sum up, if I may.

I rant and rave against science continually, but the truth is that modern science has already solved all of the world's major problems, including energy.

The problem is that the world is controlled by a pack of highly intelligent global snakes who understand that if all of their hoaxes are exposed the people of the world will be able to share the blessings of science in all the major fields of human endeavour, from energy developement to food production.

To protect the cabal of wizards who run the world (even determining who will be a candidate for leadership in democratic countries), there's a cadre of gatekeeping editors (and fake commenters on website forums) whose job it is to continually denigrate attempts by truthseekers to expose their bosses and controllers.

And so the challenge for people of good will and courage in all nations is to expose the lies and hoaxes by which these immoral people become wealthy and powerful, and somehow get them out of positions of power--peacefully.

What a bunch of

You ain't going to save this planet by buying anything. Stop kidding yourself.
Carbon credit purchased= sfa
Nobody owns it and nobody can sell it
If they offer it to you they are full of it
(shakes head)
The canuck dollar is already tied to the usd and both are tanking radically as we write. I would not sell a tree for any number of these fantacy currencies.

Well, you know the Premier

Well, you know the Premier he's not call Gordoccio for nothing.

What is being argued seems quite logical, but then like they say if they share "it takes away from services".

Maybe it's time to raise some taxes.

Abiotic ain't it

Hey Truman:

Call me when there's a refinery on Titan. Heck, call me when a humans can survive long enough on Titan to build a refinery.

You know what? Just call me when we have the technology to go to Titan, capture the raw materials for petroleum type products, bring them home and refine them here.

Heck, I'll buy your abiotic theory. After all me Titan is vastly different from Earth and chemical processes might occur there that are not seen here.

In other words, abiotic oil theories count for nothing at this point.

I find your accusations of giant oil cabals suppressing the very information that would make their multi-billion dollar investments in fossil fuel production still viable when the known reserves run out kind of illogical.

However, that's not too surprising given your admission that you don't put much stock in science.

I have an even better conspiracy theory (It has spies!!!!). KGB puts false abiotic research out there so willing disbelievers are lulled into thinking there's an answer to the impending oil shortage. Said folks fail to adapt, Western economy collapses, Russia assumes rightful place as the pre-eminent trans-continental empire envisioned by Peter the Great.

about wimps

Thanks for the point about inheritance taxes, G West.

Since I have no wealth to pass on, I have not studied this; however I am dismayed to learn that the rich can just pass on their ill-gotten gains in perpetuity.

In any event my point was that "we" allow political correctness to run our lives, and are too scared to question the validity of all these do-gooders and their schemes.

So why not comment on the essence of my post instead of nitpicking?

Stump says:

"I find your accusations of giant oil cabals suppessing the very information that would make their multi-billion dollar investment in fossil fuel production still viable when the known reserves run out kind of illogical."

There are two logical fallacies here. The most obvious is "begging the question."
The second is the "strawman technique."

The cabals who run not only the "giant oil companies" run not only oil production, but world banking also.

The price of a barrel of oil is continually buttressed by what is known as "scarcity economics."

You might have noticed, Stump, that every commodity on earth is valued by humans depending upon its availability, with the unfortunate exception of illegal drugs, the value of which is maintained by their illegality. Legal prohibition is demanded by the same cabal, by the way. When the Mexican parliament voted by a good majority to legalize possession of drugs in order to combat the vast drug trade, Vincente Fox mysteriously vetoed the new legislation. Google it.

Since l850, each new decade has been claimed to be the one in which oil stocks would become depleted.

Oil is obviously not a fossil fuel. The wells from which conventional supplies are found are just pools near the surface of the earth that have leaked upwards from the main reserves which are deeper and closer to the earth's mantle. Several nations such as Brazil, Russia and Vietnam, which by the way has now become an exporter of oil thanks to its new deep well Tiger Field and others off the coast of Vietnam, understand this and are drilling through crystalline rock to find vast new oil reserves.

Check this out: "Brazil finds vast new oil reserves." There was no hullabaloo about it in the cabal-ran mainstream media OR the gatekeeping online media.

I have not claimed that we will be able to get any oil from Titan. Only that the discovery supports the theory of abiotic origin of oil on our planet--as you well know--thus my claim that you're using the strawman technique.

There is no science to support the silly 'fossil fuel' theory. Only that fossils somehow spontaneously convert to fuel hydrocarbons.

Check it out.

compost

My broccoli stems magically turn into dirt in a split-second in terms of geologic time. I don't have a problem with the idea that organic matter might transform into crude oil over the course of millenia.

Like I say, Titan is a lot different from Earth. Your attempt to say that what happens on Titan thereforesupports a similar thing here on Earth to me suggests you're not employing the 'scientific method' to support your claims.

You deny the science of climate change, and attempt to discredit the scientists who won't buy into the Magic Oil theory. Sorry, but you're just not a credible source for truth.

The Source of Oil Debate is Hilarious!!!!!

The source of oil debate on here is Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You'd think if there was a Cabal controlling everything that they would'nt bother spending millions looking for fossil fool, more millions pumping it out of the ground, more millions refining it and so on if they could just tap the "deep pool" (or whatever shimysham you called it!) source.

And money actually grows on trees too (I have a $20 bill tree in my backyard!)!!!!!

That may be

I did say "if anyone".

To sum up, if I might...

I don't give a rats ass where the oil came from, but I do know people who, look for it, drill for it and extract it. It's quite a process Truman, you should look at it before you judge what is possible and what isn't. As Stump says we're not going to Titan to get oil. We're going to live and die right here on this rock, and if you think we can sustain the oil/energy for wealth cirlce for as long as we want you're way out of line. Forget where the oil came from and explain to me how we'll meet production needs over the next 20 years based on growth and usage. If you understand how oil and gas is actually extracted you might just stop and ponder the question of peak production. Even if the deep holes refill themselves every 100 years, we can't have that kind of interuption in our new global economy. Dang, how can you be as smart as 5 smart guys one minute with your obvious knowledge in viral medicine, but then act like 10 dumb guys because you don't understnd the mechanics of oil and gas extraction? Did you know they pump sea water into the holes in Saudi Arabia for oil extraction? Why do you think that is Truman? I've done enough googling on the abiotic/biotic oil to know that there are gaps in the theories, but so are there in evolution, did you want to debate that too? No, science points to evolution and the more research done into DNA the more it supports it. So they say.... And you, mopled, go to your room... or actually, get out and go sit in a park for a while and observe nature. Anyone deprived of exposure to the natural world will get a false sense of human superiority and start thinking we're entitled to do what ever we want on this planet. Yup, book smart is one thing...

Now that you mention it, clubo, evolution

is my favourite intellectual hobby.

Go here for the final word on the complexity contraindication to Darwinian evolution:

"truman green irreducible complexity."

Scroll down read both of my statements. I'm just narcissistic enough to sincerely believe that my statements represent all we humans know about the origin of species--especially our own, and why the confluence of random events--darwinian evolution--just doesn't cut it.

Another First Nations Scam

As predictable as global warming, the First Nations' pundits weighed in for their end of the scam. As if they really own all of BC and deserve yet another handout from the govt and people.

When will they stop making claims and realized like all victims of history that they lost the war to own all of Canada? It's time to move on and better your own people instead of asking for more welfare.

If you care to ask most immigrants they will tell you how little respect they have for the First Nations' sob story.

Hmmm

...and I thought it was collecting spores, molds and fungus...

All we Know!?

You said it, "all we know." All we really need to know should be taught in our first years of development. After that it's all a hobby. The arrogance of humans never ceases to amaze me. I'm sure the Romans thought they had developed to the full potential of society then, just as you allude to the end of knowing anything further about the building blocks of life. Yup we can fold the tents now, no more science left to do lest we discover that ID really is repackaged creationism, and irreducible complexity gets reduced, again... Talk about endangered species...

Reduction = Understanding?

No I don't think so. Just because you don't believe an eye evolved doesn't mean it didn't. Just because you break down the molecule to it's parts doesn't mean you understand how it fits into nature and the big picture of life. You reductionists' like to take things apart and find the smallest peice and then say "look this can't possibly make itself." Perhaps then you should look the other direction. How all the species act together to cooperate to form something as complex as an ecosystem. You see, we don't know how those work either, but I bet we have a better chance for survival with an abundance of diversity. Hey I may not know science but I know what I like. Here's to the Dolphins and pass the mangos and syrup please...

know your history

Some ended up in camps, with no means to prove their identity and nationality,

Pretty much describes the First Nations experience, the Australian aboriginal experience, the African experience, the East Timorese experience....

There ain't a shovel big enough to handle the scorn I heap on your perverted and irresponsible p.o.v. Bobby Peru.

Don't complain when your house gets broken into mmmkay? Life ain't fair after all.

a helping of scorn for alive too

Sorry, I got my racist idjits confused.

First Nations hurt themselves

Heap scorn upon my arguments? Stump, the First Nations have heaped such a guilt trip on White Canada (I might as well bring white people into this so called racist diaogue) that they can make any ridiculous claim they wish. And frame any First Nations' argument and controversy in any way they wish. Indeed, any criticism of the First Nations is automatically labelled as racism. There can never be a full, out and out no holds barred debate about First Nations issues without the racist card being played.

And that is bad for the First Nations.

But, Canada's and especially Vancouver's racial demographics have changed in a way that completely isolates any empathy for First Nations. Just ask any recent or descendant of immigrants in Vancouver. Almost all of them will privately tell you they share no guilt for First Nations. Almost all of them will heap scorn on the welfare state that the First Nations have created for themselves.

Lost your nation? You were once a proud people? Victims of a genocide? Got a raw treaty deal? Got screwed over again and again? Well get in line because I can name any and all races that have been beaten with the ugly stick at some point in time right up til now.

If you don't believe me then why don't you talk to some immigrants? Or are you too scared to hear another version of the truth?

immigrants and First Nations

Clearly they should pursue justice in the jurisdictions in which they were wronged. Coming here and perpetuating the problem seems a bit foolish and selfish.

It's not about empathy. It's about the rule of law. Last I checked theft was still theft in the era of Cook and Vancouver.

Do you condone theft simply because it was done under the flag of Queen and Country?

You don't think its racist. OK, cool. It's not racist to take something from someone without their permission. What is it then?

Might is right? Oh, great, what a way to run a country.

oh btw

I'm not First Nations in origin. I am an immigrant.

guilt???

Very well said, Bobby Peru. But it is a total waste of time telling them. They are not in the least interested in any "truth" but their own.

New Age logic, which employs the "end justifies the means" reasoning, allows Whitey's guilt trip to trump all other argument and to deny any statement