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Young Lawyers with Hearts
With legal aid offices slashed, UBC students take up some slack.
UBC’s young legal eagles; photo by Josh Devins
Alan Ip has represented clients in dozens of criminal and small claims trials -- all before receiving his law degree.
Ip is one of more than 200 students from the UBC Faculty of Law who volunteer with the Law Students’ Legal Advice Program, one of the largest providers of legal aid in British Columbia.
The non-profit society, operated and staffed largely by students, runs clinics in the Lower Mainland and opens its summer clinics today. The program, which also runs during the school year, offers free legal advice and representation to low-income clients with issues ranging from welfare appeals to social assistance to civil liberties to citizenship.
“A lot of things that we do are about helping people at the most stressful point in their lives,” says Ip, a former executive director of the program who has just completed his third and final year of law school.
“The 18-year old kid who, during the worst five minutes of their life, made a dumb mistake and now is charged with a crime. Their future shouldn’t be destroyed because of one dumb mistake in youth. So a lot of it is helping people get through a very stressful time in their life and I think it is a privilege to be able to help people through that.”
‘Always unease’
At the colourfully painted Kitsilano Neighbourhood House, a handful of students are sitting on mismatched chairs around a coffee table in the converted living room. Clients trickle in and head upstairs for meetings. They can expect to be “very well served” by students who “work really hard and are very well prepared,” says Ip. All of the students’ work is checked by Brian Higgins, the lawyer who has supervised the program since 1988.
“But there is always the unease that something might slip through the cracks,” Ip admits. “Clients could be better served if they’ve got experienced lawyers.”
“Even though it’s great for us and it gave me the experience to know what I want to do, I think it’s a very sad statement on the legal aid system when law students are the place where people who have no criminal record – first offenders – go.”
In the past few years Higgins has watched the Law Students’ Legal Advice Program become the largest provider of legal advice in the province after the government shut down legal aid offices.
“It makes it easier for the government to cut services when there are organizations like ours. Cynics have said that [our program] masks the serious problems that exist in the system,” Higgins says.
The program is funded by the Law Foundation of British Columbia, the Government of Canada's Summer Career Placement Program, the Province of British Columbia's Student Summer Works Program, the City of Vancouver, the District of North Vancouver and private donors. Higgins and the program’s legal secretary Trina Barnes are employed by the Community Legal Assistance Society.
Biggest of its kind
Other Canadian law schools operate similar programs, but UBC’s student-operated legal advice program is unique because of its size and scope.
“No one does it at the level we do it, no one does it at the size we do it, no one has approximately 4,500 clients a year like we do,” says Higgins.
Even with the recent announcement that the Liberals have earmarked $4.6 million for the Legal Services Society, which also provides legal aid, the student-operated program will remain one of the largest providers of legal advice in the province.
While the students get valuable legal training, clients get the help that they are not able to afford.
“I think we are really appreciated in the legal community for what we do in the provincial courts, in the criminal courts,” says Higgins. “The small claims courts appreciate us being there. The CPP, EI, welfare [boards] all welcome our students because it makes their jobs easier when you have an articulated legal position being advanced, as opposed to a layperson who feels very strongly about their case but cannot communicate what is necessary.”
Trial by fire
Ip represented his first client in court two and a half months into law school. He was petrified.
“I didn’t quite throw up, but I was really close,” he says.
“I’ve gotten so used to being scared that my recreation now involves being scared,” says Ip, who took up white water kayaking last summer. “The need to stay alive completely takes my mind off law.”
“I also tried rock climbing,” he adds. “There’s similar strategy in rock climbing, kayaking and law where you try to pick the high-risk/high-reward routes or the safe routes.”
Ip’s career goals have evolved as well. He used to dream of “a corner office in a big firm” but now is interested in criminal law. Working in the legal advice program, Ip says, “helped me learn where my beliefs are in terms of human dignity and freedom and justice.”
The program assists clients who meet certain financial criteria and are able to attend a clinic. The program does not, however, serve clients in areas such as family law, personal injury law suits, probate or administrative matters over $15,000, criminal offences which are indictable, and matters requiring appearances in or applications to a Superior level court (the BC Supreme Court, the BC Court of Appeal, and the Supreme Court of Canada). Other than draft wills for people of a low income, the students do very little solicitor work.
Harcourt a graduate
The student-operated legal advice program was started 38 years ago by a group of enterprising law students. Among them was Mike Harcourt, who went on to become the program’s first supervising lawyer – and eventually Mayor of Vancouver and then Premier of British Columbia.
Through working in the legal advice program, says Harcourt, “I knew intimately the problems that low income people were facing.”
“It gave me a tremendous sense of what the challenges were for people who lived on what was called skid road in those days,” he says.
Harcourt believes it is beneficial for students to experience the legal system from the perspective of the debtor because in practice they may see it from the perspective of the creditor.
“To get into the soft underbelly of the legal system and see what people face is important,” he says.
Court of last resort
“Most people come to us and say they’ve tried everyone and no one has been able to help them,” says Jordan Copeland, director of operations of the legal advice program.
Without more funding, the program will not be able to increase its services, Higgins says. But he’s not one to gripe.
“It’s very popular for my generation to say the world is going to hell in a hand basket,” Higgins says. “Well, not where I’m sitting. This is a bunch of young people who are phenomenal.”
Kelsey Dundon is on staff of The Tyee. ![]()



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jesterjogger
7 years ago
Comments on "Young Lawyers with Hearts"
Hey, you guys are givin' lawyers a good name!
I'm glad to hear this as I need someone to help me launch a law suit re the blatant corruption going on in Squamish right now related to the BC Rail deal, the municipal government and gordo's greedy developer friends. Throw in the ministry of transportation and the IOC and you've got one hell of a scandal. Then again I guess it's just business as usual in the golden decade.
More to follow.
jesterjogger
7 years ago
I'm sorry.
Let me rephrase my above comment in more laymenesque terms, ahem: "life is good at the top the food chain especially if you can get in on the big circle jerk"
disclaimer: unless you're willing to work completely pro-bono the deals off!!
BC Mary
7 years ago
jesterjogger: My eyes are like Big Circles gangs ... wondering what has surfaced in Squamish.
cydney
7 years ago
This was taken from an earlier article - the Fiberals are making money off of the cuts to people who need it the most. I am so thankful for those law students who will help to support the needy and poverty stricken citizens of BC, no thanks to this Campbell government and especially Geoff Plant
"The interview fails to address — and surely Plant doesn't mention — that Legal Aid in B.C., even before its budget was cut nearly in half by the Gordon Campbell "Liberals" — was entirely funded by the sale tax on lawyers' services imposed by the NDP. When former premier Glen Clark imposed this tax — the only one on professional services in B.C. — he said it would cover legal aid. So the $90 million or so collected more than covered the then $88-million legal-aid budget. (These are rough figures from memory.) Now, the Liberals continue to collect the nearly $100 million in PST on lawyers' fees — which Plant should know comes from the pockets of other British Columbians — but the legal-aid budget is nearer $50 million. That $50-million difference goes straight to the provincial treasury. How fair is it for a government to collect a tax imposed to provide a clear social benefit — legal aid — and then slash the service but not the tax? I find it curious the business community, which must pay a significant percentage of the PST on lawyers' fees has been so mute on this issue. Plant's conduct relating to this issue, his unprofessionalism, is why he was censured by the B.C. Law Society — his own professional body."
jtothemfk
7 years ago
In an earlier thread, like weeks ago, I mentioned a friend who refused to pay income tax until such time he was sure he wasn't being completely ripped off. Not that I agree with him but I could see his point. Now, thanks to this article and cydney's post above, I can see his point much more clearly. Thieves and liars all... and I don't mean lawyers or these fantastic law students.
jesterjogger
7 years ago
Thats what makes me so angry about these crooks. They never pick a fight with anyone who has a chance to fight back. They prey upon the weak, the poor and the disenfranchised. They steal what little they have to give to their wealthy and corrupt friends.
We need another 1000 Harry Rankins!!
And if you dont believe things can get a lot worse here just take look at what the republicans are doing down south. Think how close we came are still are to having stephen harper and his fraser institute lackey's running our country.
Truman Green
7 years ago
Good on the law kids. Looks like a win-win situation. As for pro-bono I always preferred Cher.
redhandjill
6 years ago
today I told someone that lawyers have a birth defect, their asses are on the wrong end. This story redeems them somewhat in my opinion.
Colin
6 years ago
Glad to see people trying to help. You can’t get legal aid for family law cases, I know I tried for a friend a few years ago. Had to represent her in court myself. Although changes in the family courts help quite a bit, I think legal aid for these case will help a lot.
Most of the criminals and ner do wells that I meet seem to have a very good understanding of the revolving door philosophy of our present court system.
The liberals have gutted the entire court system, it was bad enough before they got in, but it is a totally mockery now.
My wife has just started articling at a court downtown. She had 7 years experience as a lawyer in Malaysia. She is amazed and shocked by the way court is run here. People show up stoned and have done nothing to contact a lawyer or even try to get legal aid, so the case is postponed again and again. In Malaysia, showing up stoned would get you arrested and put in rehab. If you came to court and said that you haven’t got a lawyer or taken steps to get legal aid, the judge would try you right there and then.
Frankly I like the Malaysian system, rehab for people on drugs and severe sentencing for drug dealers including the death sentence.
I noticed in quite a few interview with ex-gang members. They all stated that they were forbidden to use drugs when part of the gang, with severe penalties for breaching that rule, hmm guess they know what drugs do to people.
Truman Green
6 years ago
Colin, your wife sure got that right about people showing up late or stoned or not at all. I was once trying to help out a friend who was charged with shoplifting. Her lawyer was all ready to go and she was determined to make everyone wait by hanging around outside after the time her case had started. I apologized to her lawyer but he said not to worry the judge doesn't mind. They'll just postpone the case and set up another date, which they did. Strange!