Escape into the Downtown Eastside
'If this story applies to you, don't lose hope.'
[Editor's note: Too often, the experiences of Downtown Eastside Vancouver are compressed into sound bites or stark images. This excerpt from a new book offers an opportunity to hear at length, and in complex detail from a once affluent woman who fled an abusive relationship and struggled to survive in BC's poorest neighbourhood.
Edited from interviews conducted in October 2001, March 2002, and November 2003, this is the first chapter of In Plain Sight: Reflections on Life in Downtown Eastside Vancouver, edited by Leslie A. Robertson and Dara Culhane. Culhane will read from the book at Word on the Street at the main branch of Vancouver Public Library on Sunday at 5 p.m., an event sponsored by The Tyee.]
EDITORS' INTRODUCTION
"Back and Forth and Forth and Back" begins with an incident of domestic violence and a woman's relocation to protect herself from further abuse by her partner. Pawz recounts leaving work, family, and familiar surroundings out of fear for her life. She chose not to include information about her early life and carefully edited other details that could identify her to her aggressor, thus showing how his power to intimidate her crosses boundaries of place; he is still able to silence her voice. Her narrative also evokes the question of why it is victims of violence (usually women and children) who are uprooted rather than the perpetrators of violence (usually male partners).
Pawz describes her early impressions of the Downtown Eastside-a place chosen because of its affordable rent and the possibility for anonymity. She speaks about the continuing resonance of violence that she confronted daily, her shock at the openness of drug use, and her negative encounters on the street. As time goes by, and she begins to listen to other people's stories, she identifies herself as a member of that community and seeks to contribute constructively to it. "Back and Forth and Forth and Back" was compiled from two interviews with the Health & Home Research Project and a follow-up interview in November 2003, at Pawz's request. It is the only story in this collection that retains the chronological sequence of the interviews. Perhaps more than any other narrator in this book, Pawz tells how, in their attempt to cope with poverty, people eventually accept conditions that they initially find shocking.
Back and Forth and Forth and Back
People have said to me, "I don't know how you don't have that fashionable white coat!" You know, the ones with the pockets in the back (laughing). It's because of all the things I've been through that have crossed over the line.
I had a child who passed away. I was almost murdered. I was raped. I've had all these bad things happen; yet I don't want to say I'm unhappy to be alive.
The nineties was a bad time for me. That's when my ex tried to kill me. The cop told me, "I have to get you out of town. Today." So they came to my house and we packed up whatever I could, whatever I had, and they snuck me out of town in the trunk of a car. The police relocated me to a safe house and I ended up moving to B.C. because my ex thought I would stay in [a different province].
I was starting over. Fresh.
I was in the safe house for two weeks. You have a certain period to decide where you want to go. I didn't want to stay where I was because he knew everybody that I knew. So I came here and didn't keep in contact with anybody.
I couldn't believe something like this had happened. I'd seen it on TV, but never in my wildest dreams did I actually think it would happen to me! I was in shock. I'd never had any kind of violent experience that I could remember. I had never been actually hit.
To this day, once in a while I'll be somewhere and I'll think that I've seen ---. And that fear comes over me-not fear but anxiety-and my heart starts racing.
I started thinking about things that I never thought about before-like retribution; I was planning it out in my mind. It started to scare me because I had never thought things like this (laughing). I went to a therapist, and she said to me, "What you are thinking is normal." As soon as she said that, I stopped thinking it because I realized that it was part of the process-the healing process. First it's shock, then it's pain, then it's anger, and then it's forgiveness. I found out that it wasn't me. I started thinking that maybe it was my fault, that I provoked it. I couldn't fathom the whole process, and still, to this day, when I think about it, I can't believe this happened to me.
I was in a transition house and one of the workers there, who was a counsellor, said, "You have to pick a job." I had to pick an industry where my ex wouldn't even think to look. I was going to do what I always did, but instead I decided to do something totally different.
I moved to the East End and started working for this auto-body company. I did my practicum and they asked if I would be interested in coming to work for them. I said, "Sure!"
But some weeks I might make major amounts of money and some weeks I might make nothing. I said, "I can't live on this!"
I told them, "I'm sorry, but I have to find another job," and I went to work at another company. It was good, but I have asthma, and being around all the dust and the fumes was giving me so many attacks, even though I wore my respirator religiously. I thought, maybe if I go on a part-time basis... But nobody hires part-time. So now I have to do something else.
It wasn't until I came down here (laughing) that I really had an awakening! Just the idea of Main and Hastings. Main and Hastings, with the cop shop right across the street (laughing). The amount of activity-they're so blatant and bold!
When I came here I was supposed to have a place with a friend, but they had already gotten somebody else, so I had nowhere to live. I needed a place quick and there was a hotel room that I saw. I ended up down at a place on ---. Of all the hotels it seemed like the best one-for a hotel or rooming house it was not bad. Not good, but not bad (laughing). I befriended the manager so that kind of helped a bit because he looked out for me. In the morning he would come and knock on my door and tell me that there's coffee in the office. He'd ask me, "Did you have any problems last night?"
One of the first nights that I was there, there was a knock on my door at eleven o'clock. I said, "Hello! Who is it?"
A guy says, "Oh, it's me. Open the door." I said, "Who is it?"
He goes, "You know-me," and he said his name. 23
I said, "I'm sorry, you've mistaken me for someone else."
He goes, "Just open the door!"
I said, "Come back in the daylight."
He said, "Just open the door."
I said, "Get the fuck away from my door!"
I didn't have a phone. I couldn't phone the police or anything, so I put chairs against the door. But it's not like in the movies where the chair props the door closed and it stays closed. The doorknob was here (gesturing high), and the chair's down here (gesturing low). It was just something to make me feel safe.
I told him, "I'm not opening the door. Get the fuck away!"
It went quiet for about fifteen minutes. Then all of a sudden-I don't know what happened; there was all this banging and yelling and you could hear wrestling, and then it went quiet. About half an hour later I opened my door and peeked out and there was blood everywhere. I don't mean like just little drops, blood everywhere! I shut my door and I just sat against it all night long because I couldn't sleep.
In the morning, as soon as it started getting daylight and I could hear the birds start chirping, one of my neighbours was out there with a mop, just starting to clean. I said, "Don't! I want the manager to see this." I went and knocked on the manager's door. So he came up. He wasn't too happy about me waking him up that early, but when he came out he says, "Who was it?"
"I don't know," I said.
There was blood from the bathroom, all the way out the hallway, down the stairs and out the door. We don't know who it was, still to this day. I said to the manager, "I can't live in a place like this!" So they changed the locks on the front door and everybody had to start buzzing the manager to get in from then on.
But there was still the state of the hallway. You had to tiptoe through the syringes to get to the bathroom. I told the woman who owned the hotel and she said, "Ah, the manager-he'll take care of you. He'll take care."
Well, he took all the rent money and split that night (laughing). Some people didn't get a receipt. They said, "Oh, I'll pick the receipt up tomorrow." All those people lost out on their rent because they didn't get a receipt there and then. They had to pay again. I had mine paid directly from social services, so they couldn't say anything. Thank God for that!
In that hotel there were too many drunks and they started getting violent. There was one guy that was getting violent with his girlfriend, and it was really affecting me-and not just on a conscious level; I was dreaming about it. I'd see a girl with black eyes, and she'd say, "That's it! He's outta here!" The next day she's making up with him. I thought, "It's a vicious circle."
I only went through it once. You know, my parents have been married for a long time and my dad never hit my mom. You just don't hit somebody. And, if somebody hits you, you don't go back for seconds! I believe that. You don't deserve that; nobody deserves that!
And to see somebody say, "Oh, he loves me. I did it. It's my fault." (Shaking her head)
I don't believe in that. I don't believe that to love somebody you have to hit them.
So I would say, "You don't have to tolerate it."
And other people in the hotel were, like, "Oh, mind your own business!"
"Well, you're fighting and you're arguing in the middle of the night waking everybody up. It becomes everybody's business!"
I said to the manager, "Something's got to be done about this!"
I was supposed to take over the manager's job, but I started volunteering down here. When I told the landlord that I was working, she thought that I had a job, so she gave the manager's job to somebody else. That would have been a great job, being the hotel manager. Free rent, free phone; you work nine to five. All you do is clean up and collect the rent. Well, I was cleaning up anyways because I can't stand the dirt. It worked out to twelve hundred bucks a month and I worked out my food to two hundred bucks a month, so a thousand bucks cash in the bank! Every month! That's twelve grand a year, and the job was given to somebody else!
I stayed at that hotel for five months, something like that, but I was homeless for six months after. I found out about this new place they were building. I was volunteering, and a housing advocate told me about it. I ended up living on people's floors because the housing project said that they were going to be completed and then they kept prolonging it and prolonging it. First it was an earthquake, then it was budgeting, and they kept saying, "Oh, next month," so I couldn't really get a place (sighing).
My friend said, "Okay, you can sleep at my place on the floor."
I was between three friends, two days at one place, two days at another place, two days at another place. I was living out of a suitcase. My friends were starting to get ... they'd say, "You said only a month!"
Two, three, four months go by and I was cleaning up everybody's place. I was buying my own food because I didn't have to pay rent, but my worker knew that I was only supposed to get support money. So I was cleaning three houses because everywhere I went I had to clean (laughing). Everywhere! My hands were getting sore, and where I was volunteering I was also cleaning, doing the floor. I was constantly on the go and I was losing all this weight. People were saying, "How come you're losing so much weight?"
"Well, I'm running around from place to place to place!" And I couldn't sleep-in anywhere! If I wasn't tired I had to just lay there because my friends had to sleep (laughing). It was chaotic. When I finally did get in to the new place, all I wanted to do was sleep, and do you think I could? I couldn't sleep! I couldn't sleep! I was so used to that routine. The new place, there was a lot of drugs in there, and a lot of prostitutes.
One day I'm standing outside. I was expecting a friend to come over but I forgot to give them my buzzer number. I'm waiting downstairs, and I didn't know which way they were going to come from. So I was turning- I was looking both ways-and this girl comes down and she says, "Are you buying one?" I forget the actual words, "Are you putting out a buy?"
I said, "Excuse me?"
"Are you putting out a buy?"
I was, like, "What are you talking about?"
She goes, "You know ... are you looking for a date?"
I said, "No. A friend's coming over."
She goes, "You're a prostitute right?" (Laughing)
I was, like, "Excuse me! I don't think so!"
She goes, "So you're putting out a buy then?"
I said, "What part of 'I'm not a prostitute' don't you understand?"
She just looked at me and she started laughing. I'm thinking, "They're going to think I'm one!"
The first day I was in my new place, I had just had a piece of foam dropped off for a bed and an ambulance pulled up; a guy OD'd in the stairway. Well, you're right downtown and it's so convenient, when they want to get high they just go two blocks. I just wasn't anticipating that! I'm not totally ignorant, but I was ignorant of the lifestyle down here and how accepting it is.
I've had people come up to me and say, "Do you have water?"
At first I had no idea what water meant. "What do you mean water?" [Water is used to prepare heroin or cocaine for injecting].
There's little blue things on the street and I wondered what they were. At first I thought somebody had lost something. Then I thought it was 26 2.. perfume. Then it just clicked in; that's water isn't it? I wasn't going to stop and ask somebody.
You can't say hi to anybody here because the first thing they say is, "What do you want from me?" I lived in a small town, everybody says hi to everybody, and good morning. Out here, they close up, "What do you want?"
I've kind of got my guard up now. It's been a wake-up call.
The whole coming-to-B.C. thing has changed me.
Living here, I think you become cynical and maybe desensitized? Have I said that correctly? Cold. I was never like that before. People would say, "Could I get a smoke off you, please?"
Now, I'm totally broke and I ask somebody, and they go, "No!"
Well, I've learned how to say no lately, and sometimes not by choice, just because I don't have. Even if I do, I've found myself saying no and it's kind of cold. It is.
I don't have money. I'm stressed. Because of my budget I don't have the right kind of nutrients, I can't buy fresh fruits and vegetables all the time. Welfare doesn't give you a lot of money! They only give you a hundred and seventy-five dollars to live on, and that's to pay all your bills too.
I got scammed down here. This chick-like, I don't get much money- and this chick came into the bar and she was bawling her eyes out. "I just got robbed! I have no money to get home!"
So I reached in my pocket and I gave her some money. That was a Thursday night, and I saw her on Sunday about one o'clock in the afternoon walking down the street crying, talking to this old guy. So I said to her, "Hi. Do you remember me? You just got robbed Thursday?"
She goes, "No! It just happened now!" The guy was handing her twenty bucks, and I'm, like, "Oh man! I got scammed!" She followed me up the street and had the nerve to ask me for more money. I was just livid! I just wonder how many people have dealt with that. How many people have been sucked into it? That's sad.
You know, you only have to go two blocks away and you can buy something for $10,000. If you come two blocks this way you can sell that thing for twenty bucks!
I'm learning a lot down here.
I think that women's most important health concern is physical abuse by men. Okay, let me rephrase that, by partners, by men and women. I think that's one of the biggest health concerns because I'm hearing it! I'm living right here on a daily basis and hearing it. Second, I would say, is stress, mental stress; and third, I would say is drugs-those three, maybe not in that order. Right now I don't have any health problems except for asthma and lack of sleep.
Almost everybody I know has hep C. Thank God I don't have it. I even went to the doctor's because-remember I was saying that I was homeless?-When I was staying at my friends' places, a couple of them had hep C. I was staying with three people, and two out of the three had hep C. I didn't know how it was passed on. Here I am, I'm drinking out of their cup, "Oh, there's a cigarette. Can I have a drag? Oh, can I have a sip of pop?" Same straw.
So I went to the doctor. I was really concerned. They tested me and, thank God, nothing.
I had the A and B vaccination (showing a large scar on her arm). Harsh, eh? I went once, then thirty days later a second time, and then six months later a third. That third one, I had nothing for a week and then it kind of bubbled up. They said, "Oh, it's just a reaction, it's fine."
I'm not a hypochondriac but I panic (laughing).
After my accident I started taking painkillers because of my back. The doctor said to me, "You know, there must be a lot of pain in people's lives."
I said, "What?"
He said, "For people to be taking drugs, any type of drugs. You must have some serious pain in your life to be taking these painkillers."
I started thinking about it. You can think of it metaphorically, whether or not you've had pain, whether it means, like, a broken heart or a broken bone. To be taking painkillers you must have had some serious pain. I can't say that I haven't tried drugs.
But do I go and buy them? No.
In the seventies when I was going to school, I tried marijuana and all that. I've tried heroin, coke, crack, Ecstasy, MDA, and alcohol, of course. But I don't do needles or anything like that. Heroin and coke-I tried these in the last little while, the last year. I tried crack. You know, I don't live my life around it like some people who want it all the time. I prefer to have food and make-up and nail polish and, when I'm working, a lunch. I never do drugs on the street, always at a friend's house, and it's just because everyone else is doing it, kind of thing. I saw this thing on TV about being an addict-addictive. They had rats. I don't know if it was rats or mice, but they give them a hit of cocaine or whatever it is, and these animals who don't know the difference, they want it! I was in awe.
To see these people, they'll walk around with no shoes on their feet and totally dirty. They've given up! They've lost hope! What amazes me-or what I think about is-I look around and I wonder what's happened in their lives to make them get to that point. What has happened in their life? I look at drugs as a painkiller, and, basically, what they're doing is numbing themselves to the pain. Well, what was so bad that they have to keep themselves numb? Maybe I've got a few wires that aren't connecting, but you know, I look around and I think, "How can these people give up hope?" (Pausing)
I figure people are going to do drugs. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it; they're going to do it.
I think it's a good idea that they have a safe injection site, not to promote drug use, but the fact is, people are going to do it. Now, at least you have the people there and you can say, "Look, this is what's available for treatment and recovery." At least then you've got their attention-even if it's only for a minute or two-instead of them just reading on a board, "If you need help call this number." They want help but they don't know where to go and what to do. This way at least you're giving them an avenue. I think probably everybody who's doing drugs will use [the safe injection site]. I think people are going to be curious. I mean, I'm curious and I don't even do needles.
I noticed that on all the four corners down here they have the different churches. One church gives out candy, bags of candy, and inside the bag they have literature from each church. You know, "Seek the Lord." So eating their candy is an incentive to get you to read their literature. Half of them don't even do that. They just take their candy and throw the literature away.
I think, legalize drugs. If they do legalize drugs-and over in Europe they have-I think within six months our deficit would be taken care of. Crime would go down to nothing because the criminals, I mean, what are they doing now? They're doing all this stealing and all for what?
For money to get drugs. If it's legal there wouldn't have to be all this crime, there wouldn't have to be the fencing.
Once in a while the police do a sweep but they've got to do something other than just that. They do it when something's going on-say, for the Molson Indy-then they do a big sweep so that the visitors don't see it. But as soon as the project is over it goes right back. Have more police officers doing the beat. Have something!
I get asked about drugs all the time, "Up? Down? Up? Down?"
All I do is, "No. No. No. No." You don't make eye contact.
I take the bus now. When I first moved down here I used to walk from the Sky Train, from Main Street down to Georgia. Now I'll take the bus. Just because of all the people out there that are not so nice. I get hassled on the street.
"How much? You need a ride. Get in! Come on, I'll give you a ride."
"No, thank you."
"Oh, come on! I'll give you a ride!"
"No, thank you."
"Oh, come on, I'll give you a ride. I'll give you a ride!"
If there was a cop I would have said, "Do something."
I've literally kicked a car. "I said no! What part of no." I was even going to put down on the back of my jacket, "I'm not a prostitute. Don't ask. Just don't talk to me."
Isn't that bad? Every night!
Just being down here-how can you say everyone down here is a drug addict? Or any woman down here is a prostitute? I tell you, I get so hungry some nights! I've thought about doing it! I thought about it, but I can't bring myself to do it. I can't. For women to be prostituting themselves, they've obviously got no respect for themselves. Or they don't care anymore. Maybe they do but they don't, maybe they have more respect for the drug. They'll do anything to get the drug, and I see that! It's like I'm looking into a fish bowl and I'm watching the fish swim around and I'm wondering why they keep on. Do they not realize? I don't know. But some people, that's all they've known in their life.
I got a letter from the government telling me to go to work or I'll get cut off social assistance. I believe it. It states that welfare's only temporary and that there are jobs available. Look! My hand is itchy. Money's coming! Oh, wait, that's the left hand. It's right receives, left leaves.
I liked working because I had something to do; I had somewhere to go. I was a productive person in society. I had money, and right now it's day to day, it's unknown. I'm still looking for work.
I have a friend and sometimes he needs help after he's completed a job, someone to go in and clean up the place. He'll throw me a pack of smokes or, if I need some cat food or something, he'll throw me something like that. A little bit of coin, not enough to-"Whoa! Let's go party tonight! Beer's on me"-but enough that I have smokes and that. I phone once in a while to see if he's got anything, but he got his truck stolen with all his tools so now he can't even work!
I don't have a phone so it's kind of a Catch-22. You're looking for work but they have no way of getting hold of you. Well, you could keep phoning them, but you haven't got the money to use a pay phone. Some free phones are only open from ten in the morning till five at night, and they've got a waiting list. So when you do get in on a place they say, "Well, could you come in and drop off a resume?" Well, that's fine, but then you have to pay for the bus fare and they've upped that. So that's four bucks a day just going from here to there.
I don't want a lot of money, just enough that the bills are paid so that when I lay down I don't have to worry about the phone ringing and it's a bill collector.
My perfect future? My perfect future, to be happy and healthy. Just to be happy and healthy, to have a job, and I'd like to have a house. I really want to mow a lawn and plant a garden. I'd like to have, not a big house, just a little house somewhere near water. And I want a dog.
3 months later ...
I take a lot of Tylenol 3s, codeine. I hate to say it; it's embarrassing for me. I was addicted.
I tried to quit and then that's when I found that the pain was so unbearable. I tried a couple of times; I just didn't want to have them control my life. Taking the painkillers didn't work; I mean you'd need more and more and more and more.
With Tylenol 3s, it's not like there was a high; it was just a painkiller. It's kind of a trick thing. These other drugs I've tried were in a social environment, whereas this was painkillers, it was prescribed by doctors. I've been taking them since 1993. Long time! Some days my stomach would be just burned from the painkillers. They caused stress, sometimes sleepless nights. I still struggle through that.
Was I on the methadone program the last time we talked?
I'm on meth now, from the painkillers. I've been on it down here for three months. When you hear about people being on methadone you always think of them as the kind of people that were doing needles and all that. I mean that was my impression.
I'm ignorant.
I take thirty-two milligrams a day, but I'm going down. I started noticing that if you don't get your methadone you feel really sick. Have you gotten any hot flashes? That's what it feels like, but it goes for hours, it's constant, it's not like it just shows up and then goes away. I'm not worried about getting addicted to methadone because I'm working down. The program was designed to get you off one substance, like to be on one substance and to work your way down. That's the way that the program was designed. I'm weaning myself off.
I feel lucky now. In the last six months I've seen a lot, a lot to make me be thankful.
I really didn't have it that bad. I hear some stories that I can't fathom!
I'm relating to the Downtown Eastside now, I'm starting to see they're real people! Everyone's got a story, some of them horrific. There's people I look at today and I just wonder how they can even smile. There are a lot of people down here trying to help, but it's a challenging battle. People need compassion. But from where? Nowadays everybody's so busy.
I've been to so many memorials.
My life is in this community now. I have some short-term goals that I'm going to work towards. I want to get work counselling or doing something downtown here, working with people.
One year, eight months later ...
I slipped on the methadone program. My pain came back.
While I was on the program I noticed that people who have an injury and take meth are treated differently. People judge you whether the pain is real or valid and they disregard your need for pain medication. That's what happened to me. I was injured and they wouldn't even give me a Tylenol because I was on methadone. So I did heroin for a little bit and it eased the pain temporarily, but it was expensive, and I slipped back into that vicious circle. As of November 2003, I'm back on the methadone, weaning myself off again.
I'm trying to find a painkiller that isn't addictive.
In November 2003, Pawz wrote the following paragraph to conclude her story.
Moving to B.C. was the best thing I could have done for myself.
Why? You ask. A place away from place where I had time and peace of mind to regain the self within.
Soul searching.
A realization of life's shortcomings and justice to be served. Time will tell.
NARRATOR'S AFTERWORD
November 2003
Leslie: Why do you want to make your story public?
Pawz: If my story affects anybody starting over anywhere in the world, they may get a different perspective on how they want to do it. I had to go into a transition house and totally start over again with employment, housing, relocating. I'd say to people, "Rethink starting over." Hopefully, the people who have to start over can have some sort of insight if they end up coming to the Downtown Eastside. They'll have some kind of insight into what could, but hopefully will not, happen to them. If I knew then what I know now-I would have been on guard. There's a lot of things that are overlooked when you first come down here, and you can be easily deceived, conned, scammed. If you do come to Vancouver, don't stay in the Downtown Eastside. Once you get down here it's hard to walk away from it. This is one of the reasons for publishing my story in this book.
And if I can give just a little bit of insight that might lead to government funding for safe houses and shelters ...
This story is a reminder of what the real world is. It's not just your little job and your home and your family; there's a lot more to the world. Getting my story out there will give people some insight into that.
Who do you want to read this?
I want someone with curiosity to read this, hopefully somebody who's never been through this and never will go through it. But if they do have to, then maybe they will remember that I survived so they can, too ... I got introduced to pain medication after an accident. When I came here, I was introduced to something that was "pain enlightening" and I ended up getting caught in it.
I could never foresee any of this happening to me. Speaking as someone who's now lived both sides of the coin-rich and poor, wearing both shoes-you are treated so differently when you have no money. God forbid you ever have to walk on the other side. A lot of people, when they get down here, they start thinking suicide. I wouldn't cop out that easily. I thought about it a couple of times, but I knew I was better off to fight than to give in. I think I've withstood the test of time (laughing).
Being here has made me stronger, and it's made me more in touch with myself, more aware of other people and their plight. I'm not the only one in this position, and I won't sit in a corner going, "Poor me, this shit happened to me." Down here a lot of crap happens to a lot of people, it's not just me. If this story applies to you, don't lose hope.
Excerpted with permission from: In Plain Sight: Reflections on Life in Downtown Eastside Vancouver, Edited by Leslie A. Robertson and Dara Culhane, copyright 2005, Talonbooks, Vancouver.
Dara Culhane will be presenting at The Word on the Street book and magazine festival on Sunday September 25th at 5pm at Library Square, Hamilton Street side. ![]()



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Question #2-For which political party did you cast your ballot in the last provincial general election? (a) Gordon Campbell and BC Liberal party (45%); (b) Carole James and New Democrats (44%); Adriane Carr and Green Party- (10%); Other-01%.
Question #3-With six months to go until the next general federal election must be called, for which political leader and party would you be most inclined to cast your vote if a snap election were called for one month from today? (a) Stephen Harper and federal Conservative party (18%); (b) Jim Harris and federal Green Party (06%); (c) Jack Layton and New Democratic Party (34%); Paul Martin and federal Liberal Party (39%); Undecided- (03%).
Question #4-Prime Minister Paul Martin has been criticized by Rock Stars Bono of the band U2 and Bob Geldof organizer of worldwide Rock’n’Roll fundraisers, for not honouring Canada’s commitment to provide debt relief ‘funding’ for third world countries. In your opinion is this criticism fair? (a) Yes- (53%); No- (44%); Undecided- (03%).
Question #5-Is it your opinion that China’s President Hu’s trip to British Columbia and promise of increased business between his country and our province will help what Premier Campbell refers to as “BC’s economic momentum� Yes- (56%); No- (40%); Undecided (04%).
Question #6-In your opinion did Paul Martin do enough to convince President Hu of China to make reforms to Human Rights record? Yes- (39%); No- (54%); Undecided (07%).
Question #7-In your opinion is NPA candidate and Vancouver Mayoralty hopeful Christy Clark? (a) A talented woman who has what it takes to be a good Mayor in Vancouver- (36%); (b) a political personality only who is backed by the federal Liberal party and has no real community roots in Vancouver- (39%); (c) maybe the best thing that has ever happened to Vancouver- (05%); (d) nothing more or less than an out of town carpetbagger- (16%); (e) Undecided- (04%).
Question #8- Premier Gordon Campbell has organized what he says is an independent group of British Columbians known as the BC Competition Council who are tasked with the job of investigating and independently reporting on a number of sectors in British Columbia including forestry, mining, oil and gas, and the environment to name but a few. Some of the people or their businesses in this independent group have either provided donations or have been political supporters of the Premier in the past. In your opinion is Gordon Campbell’s competition council of BC both (a) likely to be independent and (b) a worthwhile political exercise? Yes- (36%); No- (56%); Undecided- (08%).
ROBBINS Sce Research
6 years ago
Part (B) Tyee
Commentary-The relationship between the Prime Minister of Canada, the Premier of the Province of BC, and Christy Clark’s run for Mayor are closely examined in this poll. International, federal and provincial relations as these relate to economic and human rights considerations are featured, to help us understand how federal and provincial voters reflect political (including local-Vancouver) considerations.
Paul Martin’s support is a ‘little soft’ in Vancouver. China’s president Hu’s visit to Canada and B.C. helped Gordon Campbell’s BC Liberals more than it did Paul Martin’s federal Liberals. China currently represents tremendous economic potential in terms of trade for B.C., far more than it does human rights compliance.
The federal government has more responsibility for human rights than the provincial government does. Liberal Senator Mobina Jaffer has significant experience in the Human Rights area. She is a former refugee from Uganda. Why is it we never hear from her except on multicultural channels? Are only women and people of colour entitled to Human Rights protection in Canada?
With Mobina Jaffer and her law partner Justice Patrick Dohm (who presides over the BC Rail affair), Christy Clark, her husband and brother in mind, what of the death of little Sherry Charlie, and the subsequent Children and Families Report covered-up under Christy Clark’s watch (Spring 2004). Are these Liberals really about Human Rights as they claim?
Chris H
6 years ago
LOL, what are you doing Robbins, running push polls?
ROBBINS Sce Research
6 years ago
Chris-you need to read some of Bill Tieleman's work in the Georgia Straight pre-2005 general provincial election to properly understand what a push poll is. It has to be zero sum for someone or something.
dangrice.com
6 years ago
For Immediate Release.
99% of Robbins results are completely out of place on this article.
100% improvement on Robbins not talking in third person like he usually does.
ROBBINS Sce Research
6 years ago
dangrice-this article is perfect for the results, because the story is about the east side and poverty including a question about the Chinese President's visit, human rights, and debt relief to poor nations. The article is about poor in Vancouver, where Christy Clark has aspirations to run against Jim Green.
dangrice.com
6 years ago
hmm. i love the a=b, so therefore a=c conclusions.
scylla
6 years ago
Robbin's posting is totally irrelevant to the message of the article.
Furthermore, even though his info may be useful, his conceit regarding its earth-shaking importance casts some doubt re his perspective.
ROBBINS Sce Research
6 years ago
dangrice-the commutative principle of math cannot be applied to a poll which in part is art. Simplified criticisms are not really a fair response, the poll/survey could fuel discussions about allocation of scarce resources, vis-a-vis money outside Canada to fight poverty, money inside Canada to fight money, and relevant policies of federal parties in a region that could impact on who makes the decisions about those scarce resources.
Scylla-I am not the drama queen in this, I am simply stating a series of reasonable hypothesis, poverty, despair, all of these themes are relevant because they deal with a lack of resources in a society that claims to be compassionate.
Your pre-occupation with my earth-shaking results are actually a reflection of your own conceit (in my opinion).
allan
6 years ago
What a facinating read. I thank everyone who had a hand in ensuring this story gets told so that those who have never ventured beyond the safety of the SUV on a drive-through of the east end get a chance to see the human factor.
Robbins, your comments bring nothing to this article other than shallow cynacism and, frankly, I don't think the author nor Jim Green would see you as any more than an opportunist trying to cash in on the east end's well known difficulties.
rotlin
6 years ago
I knew someone who was homeless for a while -
living in his car and staying in shelters.
However he didn't like the shelters because of getting assaulted. One thing that really helped
him was getting a voice mailbox where he could retrieve messages from potential employers.
ROBBINS Sce Research
6 years ago
Alan-I personally have been sober for sixteen years (September 12, 2005). I spent a great deal of time going to meetings throughout the downtown east side where many people struggle to survive one day at a time. Some of these people are new to the east side. A modern haircut, nice pants lousy shirt, some are out of prison, others have come in and out so many times they don't know what day it is. Some looked like life has used their face as a pogo stick on the street.
The suffering is very cynical, of this you can be certain.
But the rooms (of hope) remain full, and people keep trying to help people. The churches and food banks keep trying to feed people. All of these people are our 'brothers and sisters' for whom life took a bad turn, and it can happen in the blink of an eye.
That is really the best everyone can do. But those aren't the actions of cynics. They are the actions of people who know that hope is a valuable 'commodity'.
I have been a rich man and a poor man. You don't know me, and don't know what I know, or how I feel. I have been with people whose names you would likely recognize, wealthy important people who have come out of the hospital green from alcohol and drug abuse. (see: Richard Cory)
I don't think you can speak for Jim Green or anyone else. A poll is a poll, it serves a purpose, it doesn't serve a purpose. When you have nothing who gives a shit. However, Alan, a person must have a damn good sense of cynicism (realism), before they can truly understand what the value of hope is.
I don't know where hope exists in many peoples lives, particularly those who are comfortable, I do know that it is scarce, when money and opportunity are scare, and when hope dissipates and drugs and alcohol prevail, it is a desparate, desparate thing.
People who run for office, need to understand this very deeply, to know it, so that they put a human face to it. I can't provide them with empathy with my polls, I can only hope to point them in the direction.
This really shouldn't bother people that much.
dangrice.com
6 years ago
Rotlin: Yeah its surprising how little things such as voice mail can make a world of difference. There are a lot of little things that need to be rethought in the east side, that could make a world of difference. More skills training programs, perhaps small things like cleaning up some of the graffiti and abandoned properties that make perpetuate the scary feeling. Perhaps a government that would invest in treatment programs rather than losing focus on the other three pillars. More shelters, but ones that serve as both a place to stay and an opportunity to finish high school. Frankly, I'd like to see a program that would take busloads of homeless and deprived people out in to the middle of the wilderness (or at least away from the drug centers) and teach them survival skills and help build their self confidence up.
Robbins: If you insist on expanded criticism, I have no trouble giving it. I actually like polls, including most of yours, but you could post a link rather than the cheesy press releases style of promotion you go for. However, you really screw up by loosing neutrality and drawing conclusions and commentary from your polls result when they don't seem grounded in the polls itself. Rather than analysis, its as if your running into a process of self selection and turning your own polls into rhetoric rather than research. Don't get me wrong, I've actually looked at your opinions, and they stand on their own ground for the most part and are well written and more accurate than not, but I think you're doing a disservice to your own research abilities in the way you tie them together.
Now I don't support Clark, as I figure you should live in the jurisdiction for more than a month and a half, before running to run it, but the way you push your results in regards to her have been less than savory. Such as polls like this: http://thetyee.ca/Views/2005/09/06/IntelligentDesign/.
You conclusions in this last one, are far less than scientific and is not art either. Question 7, when you tie in "backed by the liberals" with "having no community roots", and emphasize the liberal connection, you are making a= b , so another a=c connection. Comparing question 5 and 6, is also misleading, as the connection cannot be firmly made with leading language. Such as "promise of increased" in 5, compared to "do enough" in 6. However, you comments to me on why this article is perfect for this result were what got me on the non sequitur.
scylla
6 years ago
Robbins, none of us (until you forced dangrice to do so) contested the results of your poll.
Our initial comments were related to what we saw as pure opportunism. Then came your justifications based on a contrived relationship to the story, and then failing in that, your reliance upon the irrelevancy that you are a caring man (for noone but Allan accused you otherwise).
I merely pointed out that your boneheaded inability to admit an error (which all of us but the trolls usually find no difficulty in doing) suggests a conceit which impairs judgement.
That said, I support what I take to be your politics, and therefore that you are indeed a caring man.
ROBBINS Sce Research
6 years ago
Thank you for very constructive criticism. Although I may be in part guilty of many of the things that have been suggested, I would plead that it has more to do with working through a niche, than any faustian opportunism.
I am not certain where the 'push' has occurred, if the suggestion is that it is to Christy Clark's benefit, I can't see it. This poll suggests that Christy cannot enjoy the benefit of all federal Liberals and BC Liberals. Former Socred Minister Grace McCarthy just yesterday came out in support of Sam Sullivan. Christy may not have room to grow. This would support the sentiment in the commentary.
Again on push polls, the most rudimentary are those that aren't expected to be published. Thousands of 'respondents' are contacted and 'brainwashed' by partisan questions. The second most rudimentary was one like the recent Mustel poll showing the BC Liberals having more public support (51%?) than they received votes in the last election. This poll was placed squarely in the middle of a two page section in the Province on the teachers strike.
We move in and out of styles (Bob Dylan even tried being a Christian). Sometimes we stick straight to the science, and other times we don't. Part of the commentary depends on how we track each individual respondent. Each caller for instance has phone prefix, male 1, female 2 etc. The questions are designed to give them a nudge here or there to see how they track. That is what Dangrice has picked up.
We still apply averages to each grouping of respondents (like a polling station in an election) to measure the variance. Obviously if only 2 out of 20 in each grouping picks one thing or another, the margin of error is pretty low. This increases the closer to 50/50 naturally.
It is this 'tracking' that we do which is evidently outside the orthodox that provides those undercurrents that a mathematical poll won't provide.
We are working (less directly) with some pretty significant eggheads on other very sophisticated/conventional type formats for determining scientific public opinion, but for are part we are trying from time to time to pick up the meteorology if you will in a political environment. The commentary which may appear very subjective is less so, if you follow the news events preceding or during the polling period. When you flavour the 'relatively objective prose' even a little it can send people off. We know that, but we want to paint a picture for the minds eye of what we think the overall public sentiment is.
I can't draw very well, but perhaps I missed my calling as a political cartoonist.
For what its worth we get a lot of 'hits' from all over the world, but mostly the United States, followed by Canada. We are getting quite a few from the Tyee recently especially the Kinder Morgan and Pine Beetle ones.
If this one gets as many hits I won't be ashamed for my opportunism. Thanks again for the criticisms, I am certain my partners will be calling all day.
Chris H
6 years ago
Robbins, I question the validity of your polls when I see questions like this:
Question #7-In your opinion is NPA candidate and Vancouver Mayoralty hopeful Christy Clark? (a) A talented woman who has what it takes to be a good Mayor in Vancouver- (36%); (b) a political personality only who is backed by the federal Liberal party and has no real community roots in Vancouver- (39%); (c) maybe the best thing that has ever happened to Vancouver- (05%); (d) nothing more or less than an out of town carpetbagger- (16%); (e) Undecided- (04%).
You don't see many pollsters asking questions like this. Care to guess why? You think the choices you are offering (a - e) are fair responses that don't change a person's views? The last thing the person being polled hears about Christy Clark is "carpetbagger".
I have no love of Christy Clark, but while your polls may be amusing, I have little faith that they tell us much of anything. If you publish your sample size and other statistical data, maybe you'll change my mind.
Martin
6 years ago
Here's another amusing question from a recent Robbins survey that demonstrates how flaky his firm really is:
Got that? And Robbins can't add either. I can't fathom any reputable pollster asking something so dense as this.
Martin
6 years ago
Or how about this one that he asked recently:
spedteacher
6 years ago
My younger cousin lives in E. Vancouver .. if you can call it living. She has been down there since she was 16 and is 26 now. She is a heroin and crack addict and a prostitute. She sleeps on foutons (spelling?) under bridges or in underground parking lots. She has these horrible sores all over her body. Even when she's somewhat clean, reality doesn't seem to exist for her. I think she is addicted to life on the streets just as much as she is addicted to the drugs. Her mother (my aunt) passed away in April and we couldn't find her. I have to admit that since the whole Pickton case became so public that I have noticed that the RCMP (as well as other agencies) are far more helpful than they had been before. It was RCMP officers who found my cousin in July for us so that she could at least be told of the death of her mother. My cousin tried very hard to get clean this summer. She stayed with us for 2 weeks and got clean cold turkey. The most frustrating part was that every single service we called (inclduing detox) had a waiting list. When they come off the streets you need to find help for them NOW or they will just go back. After two weeks, my cousin decided it was time to call her "friends" on the streets. I would imagine the "friends" were drug dealers because they called and they called until finally she broke down and went to visit them. She promised she would be back in 2 hrs. That was 2 mths ago and we haven't heard from her since. Having a family member who is addicted to drugs and living on the East Side is horrible. Until you've experienced it, you have no idea how much the worry and the stress can affect you. I have volunteered to talk to high school students about what it's like and what I've seen my cousin go through. While I was reading this article I had tears streaming down my face .. thinking of my pretty little cousin and the hell she lives in. More funding is desperately needed so that these people can get the help when they need it, not when it's their turn on the waiting list. I've started putting my cousin on the waiting list for as many services as possible .. hoping that we will be ready the next time she decides it's time to get clean. Why can't some of that surplus the government keeps bragging about be used to help these people??? It would save money in the long run because maybe these people could get themselves off welfare, have fewer medical costs, etc. Like I said before, Robert Pickton may have been a sick pig but at least he brought more attention to the horrible situation on the East Side. I just keep my fingers and toes crossed that my cousin is able to get herself clean before she's beaten over the head with a hammer by a disgruntled "customer" again.
scylla
6 years ago
I'm sure our resident trolls have an insightful answer for you, spedteacher.
dangrice.com
6 years ago
Spedteacher, thats true the state of treatment funding is horrible, when it seems like the most logical way to solve so many problems.
Addictions, mixed with poverty, has immense impact on all aspects of society. How much do we spend on law enforcement and legal processes? What's the economic cost of property theft? Whats the medical cost of treatment for people who could have been rescued at an earlier stage. Whats the loss on the workforce and labour potential.
1) Double spending of all governmental levels on treatment.
2) Regulate / legalize ALL substances, to end the dependence on criminal aspects that take advantage of them.
3) Legitimize prostitution, to create a safe workplace for marginalized people.