In British Columbia the government could pay for television commercials featuring a quartet loudly singing a song titled “Vote Liberal, A Coalition of Community Minded, Caring, Concerned Politicians Who Will Give You Everything While Lowering Taxes, Oh And By the Way Ignore Those Axes, They’re For The Seniors, The Children, The Women and, Lest We Forget, The Working Poor.”

I must be careful with my comments about Campbell, as Beers deleted the last one I posted, saying it was libelous.

I think Campbell is a dangerous man. I think Campbell is working for interests other than those for BC. I think Campbell plays fast and lose with the truth, for the pure joy of it. So many questions the mainstream papers will not ask.

The only reason that Campbell's polling results are better than the NDP's is that Carole James is so, so, so bad. She's terrible; a wet noodle could do better and why the NDP do not dump her is a mystery.

The NDP have a long history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, With James, that will not happen as it will be a pleasure just not voting for her!

How we have come to this evil end in BC, demomstrates how non-involved our citizens are about politics here. God help us, our ignorance (unwilling to accept the truth) on all issues, are leading us down a dark path. As it stands now, most would vote for Adolf Hitler, if he were to run for the Liberals!

I will be voting Green in the next election, simply as a protest against two political parties that I just can not support. The only other solution is an armed rebellion and hang the lot of them.

Deleted for possible libel. Tyee editor

It scares me to agree with Grumpy. But agree I must. on the one hand we have Gordo mean spirited and not afraid to victimize any segment of society. On the left we have Carol James who spends more time with her head in the sand that an Ostrich. We have the tweedle dee and tweedle dumpling scenario. As a result we are almost guaranteed Campbell by default. Compared to James even Bob Skelly looks good by comparison. The NDP either needs to make some changes soon or decide it has no desire to be opposition let alone government again and move over for a new Left of Center alternative

This one could kill Campbell politcally. The company that owns the Martin Mars water bomber is selling them and the province has no interest in keeping them.

Though old, they are superbly built and are the largesat water bomber in the world. Campbell did not want to pay for them to operate in the disaterous Kelowna fires, yet it was a perfect setting. Large lake for water pick up and the ability to dump large amounts of water on local areas.

In the Kelowna area many people still regard the non-use of the Martins as a criminal act.

Now fast forward to Delta; with global warming, the largely peat and pine Burns bog ignites in the summer. The last big fire required the Martins to drop large amount of water to prevent a major catastrophe. The smaller bombers just cannot dot the job as a peat fire burns underground and a large dump of water is needed to flood the area.

Summer 2009. It is hot and muggy and a lightning strike ignites burns bog. Within hours the tinder dry bog explodes into a inferno. A strong Westerly pushes the fire up into North Delta and with no large water bombers to help, large parts of north Delta go up into flames with hot ashe ignating grass and homes as far away as Cloverdale.

5 days, 20 deaths & 800 homes destroyed later Gordon Campbell still rejects the notion that only if we still had the 'Martins', this nightmare would not have happened.

The damage has put 2010 in jeopardy as refugees swell olympic sites. The provincial government is trying to make the rebuilding project a massive P-3 and the premier, sneaks away to his beloved Hawaii, commenting., "at least I built you RAV!"

Can't happen here? Well they said that in Kelowna.

Damn I need glasses and to improve my typing! Sorry for all those typo's!

Aw Grumpy! No problem for an operator like the Premier.
He's got more than 180 full time spin doctors of one kind or another on the case. They'll make it look like the Liberals were doing Richmond a favour.
See OIC # 656 Sept 12 2006

Grumpy, that was an interesting article you provided the link to. It really does make you wonder why no one has touched him...yet. As for Schreck's article here, it's always good to have someone else dig into the details for you! Of course the devil's in the details - everyone tries to put a positive spin on everything they do. Why point out the negative stuff that we do? Keep up the good work, Tyee, I enjoy reading the articles!

There is such a thing as transitional leadership...a somewhat neutral "buffer" while things re-group and a more firmed up direction taken, and with that goes a more definable leader.

However, I don't think the NDP is that smart, never was, and hence its downfall and irrelevancy.

People will gravitate to those who are more decisive, show leadership,etc. vs Mr. or Ms. Dithers. Put another way, an adult even with a "DUI" YET with experience still appeals more to the general public VERSUS someone barely with the equivalent of a new drivers' license, aka the devil you know vs the one you really don't.

P.S. Is the Adrian Dix wearing a Carol James suit...or is it vice versa. Anyone got a photo of them together at the same time?

Voting green is suicide, attending NDP meetings and speaking up would make more sense.
Armed rebellion seem the best solution, but most voters would not understand why, as they are lulled to sleep by the media.

and the alternative to Premier Campbell is what ??

The NDP is clueless when it comes to managing the economy and is just the sock puppet of the BC Fed.

Letting the Fed get control of this province again would result in another 10 years of dismal economic performance, massive increase in the size and intensity of the public service and the ruination of the economy.

No thanks, been there, done that.

Go Gord go, the people of the Province are with you.

When V.D.(aka Voting Day) happens...

One enters the Polling Station, at times staffed with more paid P/T personnel than Voters...

We walk up to the cardboard booth...folded 3 - ways for so-called privacy.

We look at the candidates names and their parties.

The moment of truth has arrived...

Fill the slate...OR choose only a few,..vote for "X" or vote against"Y" ? ...OR spoil the ballot ?

Memories linger...some Devil's you still don't know were ACTUALLY given a chance....a cold sweat breaks out...

Then mark the " X " .

Repeat every election...sometimes it gets easier each time.

Who's this Schreck guy who wrote this article???....the Green Ogre in the computer - animated movie by the same name...or an Ex NDP B.C. MLA ???.

P.S. Anyone know as to how you tell the difference ?

Alive, until the NDP mind set changes, I will never attend a NDP meeting. Voting Green is not suicide, though they may not win any seats, they are still a viable alternative.

As for the 'no choice' but Gordo, the Germans thought that about good old Adolf. Better to vote for the devil you know, than the devil you do not no.

I come from a familly with a long history in BC and Canadian politics and what I can not print about Gordo and his pals, could fill a book.

This guy is a true flim-flam artist, where todays political position, is not the position he had yesterday.

He truely hates the poor and BC shows this. I can not say more or Beers will delete the posting.

I hate to disagree with one of your posteres such as Grunply,on this story, but I will. The Martin Mars is a pretty large aircraft for sure. It does have a few issues. It needs a heck of a long lake to pick up from.Doesn't operate from land, and yes it's old but that's not really a factor. and yes it carries a pretty big load. But slow.

I used to drive water bombers in this province and Alberta 35 years ago. The Mars sat on Sprout lake, in case the lunmber companies needed them. We flew Canso's which could do a pick up and drop in as little as 6 minutes. Two man crew and a heck of a lot less maintenance and of course could do water landings, or from airports. Smaller but much more versatile. Try finding real big lakes in parts of Alberta. My gosh we used to use lakes like Shanigan Lake here in the Victoria area. We also used ex Maritme bombers called P2V'7. Land only. More power than the Mars quicker in and out and could climb out of places a Mars couldn't even dream of going into. The government of the day paid for the contracts while in use, the rest of the year they were in the hanger for overhauls. The Mars is big aircraft and some folks figure the present governemnt should buy them. But why? BC has no government owned water bombers, or flying service. Other provinces have. It's an expensive fleet. I basically loath Cambpell as a lot of folks here seem to do, but buying the Mars would serve no great purpose for the taxpayer dollar. By the way, most of our fleet still does fire supression out of the country. Another bomber is the Canadair amphibian. Real expensive. The choice of the federal government. we could and did out fly them and carried larger loads. I like to see the old Mars lumbering along a long stretch of water and it does carry a large load. never did bother to go find out if it used gelguard, phoscheck , or any other chemical If they don't the load looks impressive but not nearly as good as the ones with chemicals included. Let's not dismiss the present opposition leader. she started with 3 MLA's and now has a pretty effective caucus. Too bad Gordo doesn't like to show up in the house with his assorted visions . Each time he comes up with a new vision, somebody gets hurt.

So maestro, what do you like about Gordon Campbell's government?

Are you fond of what he's done relative to BC resources and assets?

Do you think employing almost 200 people in the news and news spinning business - none of whom have been through a normal open hiring process - is something you want your tax dollars spent on?

Do you like the idea of selling out the generating capacity of our rivers?

Do you think the ship-building industry is growing and increasing it's capacity when BC Ferries gets its ships from Europe?

Do you like paying import taxes on those ferries?

Do you think we should lock step our economy and social programs with Alberta's?

Do you have any idea what foolishness the idea of opening medical schools light in Victoria and Prince George is turning into? And what the additional costs those little boondoggles have created for medical education in this province?

Do you know how many of Gordon's friends are benefiting from his government?

Do you know who makes the decisions for the whole of that government?

Do you think you’re getting value for money?

Are you actually awake?

I've run out of time, someone else can take this up and help you explore things like the treaty negotiations, land settlements, the ALR, highway construction, the Olympics...... the sordid history of P3s,

The biggest laugh was when Campbell told Baldry that he'd like to go back to Africa to help people.

I didn't know that our multinational corporations have their boards of directors sitting in Africa?

Campbell will have a whole slew of directorships and appointed Fellow of The Fraser Institute, joining his idol Weenie Manning.

I don't think the guy is bad, but a total moron, operated by the same boards he'll be sitting on one day.

Ed Deak.

The following link is not directly related to Campbell, but I thought the flavor of behavior it depicts on the part of "Canada's New Government" is enlightening for those interested in the neo-conservative mindset. It of course raises further questions why the mainstream media here in Canada is uninterested in covering deplorable behavior on the part of "Canada's New Government".
http://www.harpers.org/OurHomeAndNativeBrand.html

As a little background, it is an email exchange between a deputy minister and a government scientist on the use of political language in public service correspondence.

same old garbage from bill schreck, or is it david tieleman? bash the leader of the party who has managed this beautiful province masterfully and who almost wiped their pathetic little union hacks off the face of the earth, and will do so again in '09 and '13. but hey, they're out to save the 'little guy', right? that's why glennie clark was so popular.

.... Campbell's got scandal swirling all over him. [... Deleted for possible libel (tyee editor)...] the BC rail scandal, the want to sell off BC Ferries with no one in the public knowing, the sale of BC gas to Terasen which is now Morgan Kindle's, owned privately by Goldman Sachs and Carlyle... folks, it took several decades to build up these crowns which you all used to own... until Campbell came along. Now, BC gas is owned by a U.S. multinational monopoly. My, how far we've come with Cambpell.

And why does the media not say a peep? Because 28% of its market share is owned by Canwest for starters and all Canwest does is do the bidding of the empire. The Liberals can do no wrong as long as they continue to sell out to U.S. multinationals. Can't wait for Harpers proposal of the sale of the CBC to Canwest if Harper wins again. The truth once that happens, will never see the light of day. And Canwest can and will do it, folks, they are freshly sitting on 1.1 billion in cash from the sale of an Austrailian TV station.

And Grumpy, I could not agree with you more with your stated cliche. Offer a case against Bush, and the Republicans say the same thing. "Better to deal with the devil you know, instead of the devil you don't." Man, is that kind of thinking looney tunes. And where the hell is Carole James in all this? ... Its all to hard watch. I'm going to shovel snow or something. Thinking of crooks like Campbell is starting to put me in a bad mood... need some fresh air.

wonderful job predicting the fire future of british columbia grumpy. that was very special indeed!

Hardly an unbiased scource David Schreck is as he is an NDP bagman as much as the other NDP mouthpiece, Tieleman, if not more so.

That Dastardly Campbell!!

The end of the world is coming!

How is it he keeps getting elected?

IT MUST BE SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT!!!!!

you said it working. these guys are very sad indeed.

Same old garbage from elliot.

Just give the sports report and fade into the distance dude, you're outta your depth - it's policy to keep the kiddies in the shallow end.

I'll wager your hero Campbell read the Cole's Notes version of Adam Smith. He doesn't seem to know the differenc between self-interest and greed.

You're writing about bias Working man?

That really is funny. Not surprised the two of you would embrace.

Come on this site Elliot to run people down as usual? If anyone is sad on this site, its idiots like yourself. Don't mind me. Just calling a spade a spade.

Like your saying what? That laws are never broken, that people don't screw up for their own selfish wants and ego trips? Better think twice, pal. Often it really is someone elses fault, including anyone who voted for this the second time round, never mind the first.

When the next recession hits and the red ink bleeds and the cuts are severe and the corporate tax rates get jacked up and the royalties are increased, you'll blame it all on the party that has to inherit the hangover, of course, turning a blind eye to the golden opportunities missed to pay down debt and save up for the bad times with corporate tax rates that should have been higher in these boon times, along with the royalties and such. And guys like yourself will sit around, watching the next political party inherit the hangover of corruption, making all the tough choices that please no one, all the while blaming the next party for the next recession and spending cuts and raised taxes, saying it was "all their fault" like the hypocrites usually do. Am I far off from this? Sad part is, since I sometimes I agree with you, instead of the idiot Elliots I have absolutely no common ground with whatsover, that I'm likely right. Please make some kind of case that shows me I'm wrong cause guess what, working man. A recession is coming and hard choices will have to be made. What will you be then? The polite ideological flipflopper, or the hypocrite?

How anyone can support Campbell or his windbag brother boggles the imagination. The P-3 issue alone should be enough to convince the public that these guys are kooks, but individuals such as Elliot and Working Man seem to ignore all the disinformation/propoganda. I guess they feel the selloff of BC's rivers etc. is a good thing. While many of us see it as a crime.

the brain
Do you have any hard published info on Campbell's personal life other than the stuff from Potvin's article?

Campbell keeps getting re-elected because the "average voter" doesn't have a clue of the issues and makes up his or her mind on the way to the polling station.

If Hitler had been running in the first elections in Germany and Austria after WW2, he would have been re-elected without any question, by starving people creeping out of holes in flattened cities and millions dead.

We had a deadbeat BC Lib MLA, John Wilson here in Cariboo North, elected twice. The first time with a 200 majority, the second with 5,000. The guy disappeared and went to sleeep the minute he was elected and nobody saw him again, apart from the inner circle faithful, for 9 years.

Our former Reform MP, Phillip Mayfield was elected 3 times, I believe, the last time with 52 %. His nickname was the "invisible MP". Nobody ever heard of anything he may have done, or said, for about 12 years.

Now we have another warmed up deadbeat Reform fossil by the name of Dick Marris, elected umpteen times in union towns, sitting on his ass and taking orders for Harpo, without the slightest idea what's going on.

Yes, Campbell does indeed have a good chance for re-election in a BC sold off to and controlled by foreign owners.

Ed Deak.

You said it in a nutshell: bitch and complain, but outright refuse to speak up the only place where it counts!
Perhaps you do not realize that posting here will not change anything except waste everybody's time?
Well boy you are a waste of time, so I guess that makes sense.

About the Martin Mars. Of course they needed a long lake because of the vast volume of water they could carry. This is the point, when water is needed, it is needed in vast volumes.

The 'Mars' always had two camps, those for and those against. Now, as the elderly heritage aircraft are being sent out of the province, (a seperate debate)let us hope we do not need them, as we do not have any of their like.

I think history will look very poorly on Campbell for the loss of such unique aircraft.

The Russians are waking up to the need of large water bombers and have some interesting aircraft. But I think Campbell's opinion is: "If it is not in my backyard, let it burn and to hell with the lot of you!"

Alive: Sunshine, let me tell you a little story. During the millennium Line debate, where Clark and McPhail did their own version of a RAV bait and switch, I was asked to speak at a NDP meeting. As soon as I said that the Millennium Line deal was wrong and that Clark, et al, were wrong, I was booed, heckled and jeered. The people who invited me were threatened and one had his membership in the NDP revoked because he tried to stand up to the Clark and McPhail thugs.

You see, I wasn't surprised that in the next election the NDP won only 2 seats, no not at all!

So old chum, with the NDP, which I voted for since 1975, I will never vote for again, until they change and with Carole (wet noodle) James at the helm, I see no change at all.

Oh by the way, unlike the NDP who use thugs to control unrulely members, the Liberals just threaten you with a lawsuit, it's called libel chill.

This is the Real Truth site!
January 2, 2007
http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/
Gordon Campbell and his Liberals and CanWest are traitors to the People of BC!
Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may: Mark Twain

Like G West, I'd like to read where it's been published that "...his wife has reportedly separated from him and has reverted to using her maiden name. Campbell now lives alone..." (quote from the linked May 2005 Republic article"

The link in the Republic is over 1/1/2 years old and Campbell has not sued! Of course the defense against libel is tuth!

I guess CanWest can't print the truth!

Grumpy:
It wasn't actually the content of Potvin's article I was concerned about --- it was the additional material that the brain posted. Have you seen that in print anywhere?

I know it's widely rumoured, but I'd like some kind of confirmation that what the brain wrote is actually 'true'.

Deleted for possible libel. Tyee editor

These rumous have been going on for years, even during his terms as a mayor, without any proofs or substantiations.

Ed Deak.

I'm under the impression that Campbell and the Liberals are screwing most everybody. Their cronies get a kiss and some lube first, the rest of us... not so much.

This is like taking a bath or brushing my teeth: I have to force myself to login. Hate that!

Everyone here is much more informed than I am about Gordon Campbell. I simply find him repulsive, don't sympathize with anything he (rarely) says and expect that some of the cheer leaders for him above are correct: BC voters will very likely re "elect" him and the rest of the toadies because the voter is not paying attention.

I hope I'm wrong! I used to vote NDP but they dissapointed a lot of us too. Reform (my sister in Alta touts them) were a waste of attention and turned up Harper.

Who ya gonna call?

Grumpy
posted: 4 Hours Ago

Speaking of Liberal tactics, this might be an opportune time to point out a few of those tactics in action.

Since Christmas Day I've been monitoring what's been happening on a couple of pages at Wikipedia. What started as a nominally fair-minded posting of information about Erik Bornmann and his role in the BCRail trial upcoming has turned into a white wash of Erik Bornmann the tyro lawyer and Canadian hero.

Not only has this happened with respect to the Erik Bornmann page at Wikipedia but also at the BC Legislature Raids. A number of ‘contributors’ who’ve never posted a single article or commented on anything of interest, one way or the other, have been busy cutting, deleting, and white washing anything on these pages that doesn’t conform to their version of the truth and labeling the author of those articles (and anyone else they don’t agree with) as indulging in libel and slander. In fact, they’ve gone almost to the point of threatening Wikipedia with legal action. Talk about libel chill, Grumpy – it’s there in spades. And most of it directed at Skookum1 whom all of you know from his many excellent discussions on a wide range of subjects here at Tyee.

If you want further evidence of this please follow this link and explore the edits and the ‘dialogue’ yourselves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Erik_Bornmannand

It’s very interesting and quite revelatory about the kind of people who brought you Gordon Campbell and company.

Wrong link - that one won't get you there, this should do the trick:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Erik_Bornmann

Okay, that does it. Seems to work and takes you to the right place - sorry about the earlier dud. You can follow up any of the contributors by clicking on their names that will take you to their individual Wiki pages. At that point, you'll see why they are single-issue contributors: SPA's in Wiki jargon - who are weighing in with just one purpose in mind and that's not openness and providing the reader with all the information available.

Note especially Omar Jack's comments at the bottom of the page.

What was Maggie's quote at the beginning of the "HandMaid's Tale"?
"Don't let the Bastards Grind you down!"
In latin

G West:

Well for starters, I did make a rare mistake when this article was posted on the TYEE.

I then read the comments...then figured it was authored by the usual TYEE suspect contributors. Then I went back and read it was authored by David Schreck...OK as usual...his bio will be posted at the end. However, the sin of ommission was the non - admission of Ex B.C. NDP MLA. ( I mean, I can appreciate the shame, but at least be upfront and honest).

Like Tieleman, Schreck is simply brown-nosing and clinging on till " the next big gNu- Demagogic Parody victory "..... LOLOLOLOL ....and then sharpen their elbows to dive into the Public Trough with more consultancy fees, advise on how to top the Fast Ferries, ..... you know the programmed program G West.

doggone
I think Maggie put it this way:
"Nolite te bastardes carborundorum"

Which is a little better than the usual:

"Illegitimi Non Carborundum"

I'm not actually aware of a Classical Latin precedent and Eugene Ehrlich has no equivalent at all in his Amo, Amas, Amat and More

hi Grumpy:
Guess you are able to make enemies even in person, eh?
The trick is to build up an argument and find people who might second your motions or opinons, but that takes people skills.
If you are as abrasive at a meeting as you are on these posts, then I can understand you get booed.

It strikes me as odd that you would assume socialists (ostensibly dedicated to making things better for everyone) are driven by greed, but fail to make the same connection with neo-conservatives who have consistently demonstrated that self-interest IS at the top of their list of priorities.

If you were a tenth as critical of the current gov't as you are of previous NDP administrations you'd have a lot more credibility. Instead you just come off like your barracking for one side and don't have any real interest in what truly is rather than what you think you see.

alive:

Ha ha! So true. Perhaps we could have had light rail rather than RAV right now but for Grumpy's diplomacy.

Nah! Just kidding Grumpy, you're great!

Thanks again G West.

The other night (new years eve) I was involved with another B-I-Law regarding the roots of the word: "rational". Some present said that the root was more or less the same as that for "ration" which I have zero connotative connection for.
What d'ya think?

There's no difference between the public and the private troughs. The PPPs are also a fraud, because they all come out of the same pockets.

Even the just reported $38,000 per day salaries of the CEOs are not paid by the corporations, but charged to the public by the corporations.

In the case of the PPPs the projects are also all paid for by the public and at much higher prices and costs than if they'd been tax funded projects.

When will our brainwashed public realize that they're taken to the cleaners with fraudulent words ?

Ed Deak.

There was an interesting post on Teacher's.Net last Fall on a live chat that seemed to have some relationship to the Potvan article. Interesting.

doggone:
I believe it comes from the root RATIO COGNOSCENDI - that in virtue of which knowledge of something is possible; another possibility, not mutually exclusive, could be RATIO ESSENDI or EXISTENDI - that is in virtue of which something exists.

Oxford says this:
Rational: 1. Having the faculty of reasoning; endowed with reason; Historically it designated any of an ancient class of physicians, who deducted their treatment of cases from general principles; also using the faculty of reasoning; having sound judgment; sensible; sane.

Darn! How does one find the archives of a 'chat room' anyway? The comment in question re Gordon Campbell was found during a search of the proceeding for the Sue Halstead trial.

Burgess - dunno if it'll work for Chat Rooms, but if you have the URL and the date you could try the 'way back machine' or engine(?) or whatever it's called. I've had mixed results.

Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Good luck.

Stump:

Re: your " 10% comment " etc.

We TYEE posters can " editorialize " on the editorials/articles the TYEE posts. My take on this one was what was the author saying and what was his background.

Conclusion: Oh ....another ex NDP Kling-On hack...gee how UN-biased.

Credibility ? what are YOU implying? How do you define credibility...someone that rebarfs this raggin' and slaggin' hang/shoot/nuke the Gov't rhetoric is deemed credible, those that don't , or debate/rebut , aren't ? Geez, save time and simply " cut and paste" the same old Leftie rhetoric for similar TYEE stories.

Credibility by certain TYEE posters is often stamped "VOID" ....they can't discern between subjectivity and objectivity.

QUOTE: " ....socialists ( ostensibly dedicated to making things better for everyone ) " .

Dedicated ??? LOL ... dedicated is volunteering and doing it for free... not rolling up to the often -PUBLIC -Trough to the benefit of a select few and playing drunken sailor when in power.

Sorry Stump....I guess the ones you know versus the ones I've seen in action are poles apart. I like Grumpy's take about how he got shite on after the NDP invitation . They often cannabalize their own.

Sometimes one is left to wonder if the TYEE editors place bets with some of these articles and "how much" of the same- old same -old FROM the usual TYEE suspects.

Just because one side of the political spectrum failed to be a viable entity to create balance is not something many of us should shed a tear over. No sense myself or anyone adding to the Leftie chorus or the Leftie choir...one would get lost in the off -key disharmony as the volume of the rhetoric increases.

If one wants to turn the TYEE into a Guyana Kool - Aid party, do what most socialists did to Grumpy,ie vote " socialist - deemed non credible dissenters" off the Red Island , and then go bore- each -other- to- death while you comrades all fight for the soapbox.

Many of us are all ears if there is actually something NEW to add to many of these discussions versus this ad -nauseum socialist quasi-cathartic borderline- anarchy venting.

Just some friendly advice.

G West:
At the risk of wandering off the topic above I appreciate your information. In fact looking back at some of the discussions here it is my opinion that clear accepted definitions are essential to any discussion.

I come from a family tradition of discussion and argument. Often the debators seem to be saying exactly the same thing but dissagreeing violently. Been there myself in the "heat".

Could the problem be in the language we use? English is fairly versitile but sort of a "One size fits all" condom

No, G, just the first time I've heard of it (actually had me scratching my head for a moment wondering what David Beers deleted, its so fresh). Come to think of it, I think that's the first time I've had something deleted. :-)

I'll go with Grumpy on that one as well with the year and a half old story link Grumpy provided not receiving any law suits. That's rather telling in itself.
Lets just say that time will tell the tale for all to see. If its a lookalike boy... features should be developed soon enough by election time to tell the story if it is a boy.

Funny thing with our wonderful provincial liberals who recently tried to rewrite the freedom of information act. The Saskatchewan Devine Conservatives tried the same thing less than a year before the Cons lost their last election they'll ever run in that province. 14 Divine MLA's got charged and seven served time. One never made it. He blew his brains out with a gun after being caught with pilfering nearly 25 million, as I recollect back in the day. Or was it 50 mil? Anyways, history repeats itself.

Cheers, man.

the brain:
You know what was deleted then; but it was just a rumour, right? I wasn’t trying to get you in trouble. I've heard the same rumour myself for some time and various opinions about whether or not there is any truth to it. If there’s any question, we can always take this to the other place to discuss it.

Do you remember where you heard it? It would be kind of interesting to track it down to its source.

I think it is possible that the party in question is Lara Dauphinee, Deputy Chief of Staff and Executive Assistant to the Premier. Public information, of course.

Talking about feeding off the public trough..... These are the people Campbell admires and works for

Ed Deak.
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Last Updated: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 | 4:27 PM ET

CBC News

The head of Home Depot Inc. left the home improvement chain on Wednesday in a mutual agreement, taking with him a severance package worth about $210 million US.

The surprise departure of Bob Nardelli from the role of chief executive officer after six years came amid investor unhappiness over Home Depot's share price performance. Nardelli also stepped down as chairman of the board.
Home Depot chief executive and chairman Bob Nardelli, pictured here, resigned as chairman and chief executive on Jan. 3. The decision was by mutual agreement, the Atlanta-based company said.
(Ric Feld/Associated Press)

Under Nardelli's employment agreement, he will leave the company with a massive severance deal, including a cash payment of $20 million US, the acceleration of unvested deferred stock awards currently worth about $77 million US, and unvested options with an intrinsic value of about $7 million US.

Nardelli has agreed not to compete with the company for one year, not to solicit employees or customers of Home Depot for four years, and other conditions, the company said in a release.

The departure of Nardelli has come just four months after he told the Associated Press that he had no plans to depart.

Nardelli was replaced immediately by Frank Blake, the company's vice-chairman.
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Yes, if one of us peons is incompetent, we get fired, but a CEO is in competent, he gets not a golden handshake but a golden parachute! Here lies the real problem with our society; the wealthy and powerful, stay wealthy and powerful, no matter how incompetent they are.

Alive, as per the neeting many postings back, no, just the mention of light rail and the millennium line was enough to send the NDP goons balistic. I was invited to talk about LRT, most in the meeting supported LRT, except the Clark and McPhail types.

Hey, I was a favourite with the Libs., in the 90's, digging all sorts of dirt about the NDP/Bombardier/SkyTrain/Millennium Line scandal. Not now, all I get is a 'whiff' of Libel chill, "If I continue to make such accusations about RAV."

Grumpy....this is not a golden handshake, but a criminal obscenity that goes on all over the world, every day, while 25 million per year starve to death.

As far the SLAPP suits and libel threats are concerned, they are part of the privatization racket to escape responsibility governments must maintain.

Part of the planned destruction of democracy and its replacement with fascist market economy without responsibilities.

Ed Deak.

Amen Ed!

The Corporate Communists will rule all soon!

Grumpy:

...keep it coming...I enjoy reading what you submit...ie Public Transit issues. I consider much of it simply VERY informative and a-political.

Re: "libel chill" ... just perhaps use more "coded" language.

The RR-ahh-V/Canaduh/Zky -Trane line reeks of political corruption(ie not in the Citizen -Taxpayers interests) since day one. Uber - political and one of those phenomenons where all political parties in BC use it to their advantage. The interconnected threads metastize like a cancer.

The shite will hit the fan, like the Big Owe in Montreal.

I don't think the public would be well-served by only having politicians who can afford to serve for free. I invite you to consider who our choices would be in such a situation. I think we'd have an even worse case of the old-boys club than we suffer through at present.

Certinaly no argument from me about the need to kill off cronyism and trough-gluttony.

Stump:

( BTW if you are still on-line .... a reply by me on the TYEE " Slow Food " topic)

Well, agreed, we can agree and disagree ....or agree to disagree etc.. At times these issues can evolve into a semantics/hair - splitting exercise.

Editorially speaking, , the " Socialist -as - dedicated to....etc. etc. " comment just provided me a rather wry grin. I have to go with my own experiences with those who are ,or claim to be, " Socialist " and those who are Non - Socialist or never claimed they were.

I myself find the former more inconsistent in the " preach- versus -practice " than the latter. Yours and others experiences may be different. My view is that " pro - socialism " often serves as some kind of therapy/catharsis. Unfortunately engaging in expanded discussions " ie what about this...what about that..." etc. etc. often pisses off the socialist wannabbees.

A recent conversation with someone who was very familiar with some of the " usual B.C Socialist heroes" simply reiterated my wry grin.

No-one , as you state, should be expected to work for free...but their dedication should far outweigh the remuneration. Public office is primarily to serve the entire public, not benefit a select few combined with self -engorgement.

Re: your " choices" comment...I think there should be a limit to the length of time one can hold office. Otherwise it does create professional politicians. (The political pension issue is another topic).

Society is changing rapidly and thus needs continual transfusions of new blood.

I hate to harp on about the selling of the Mars aircraft, but let's be fairly clear. Yes the Mars needs a long lake due to the water volume it picks up. But how many big lakes are next to a fire? That's one reason so many water bombers are capable of land pickups, and some can do land and water pickups. A couple of cansos, can scoop and deliver really quickly from much smaller water surfaces, and of course go back to land each evening for maintenance. CONAIR uses DC6's, Trackers and (possibly still A26) The size of the fire, location, nearness to airfields are all factors.
The Flying Firemen using the P2V&'s could range farther afield and return quicker than any other bomber with a speed of over 300 knts. Companies are using P3s, C130, and even a DC ten for fire surpession right now south of the border.
The BC government never had a fire suppression fleet, but did have a fleet for moving people around. It was scrapped years ago and it wasn't by the Liberals or Socred. It simply wasn't economical.The next government had a heck of a time selling the fancy sled that Bill Vandezam had bought to fly back east now and again. Your tax dollars at work. The Mars isn't economical either. Let them go. The ones who usually want things to stay the same have never even gotten close to one of them. It isn't just Campbell that is saying No.

I read somewhere that they intend to sell one and keep one somewhere as a museum thing, somewhere in the vicinity of Sprout Lake.

I do remember like yesterday the time one of the Mars crews were killed when some one called a "stop drop" people were in the drop zone and a water drop would have killed them all. The crew simply couldn't fly out of the place they had got themselves into. I think the other guys got a lesson from that tragic event. we sure as hell did.
Back to Gordo's Golden year.

Apparently Gordon Campbell didn't get that memo.

G West: The first I ever heard of the "Rumor" was it the Tyee posts under Gordos' DUI in Hawaii. At that time and this I considered it a rumor. Never di check it out.

C'mon G West:

I expect a more piss -and -vinegar comment from ya...my God, don't tell me you are mellowing - out.

Gary
The stuff in Potvin's article certainly dates to that time - or shortly after. But what the brain posted was more specific and it got erased for possible libel. Still, the 'rumour' has been extant in certain echelons of the 'government' for some time. My opinion on Potvin's revelations is the same as Grumpy's btw.

Point being, I'm surprised that:
1. If it's true, it hasn't come out in the press;
2. If it's not true, that some action hasn't been taken against those who've been spreading the rumour.

Functionally, I don't think it matters - I could care less about the Premier's personal life. By the way, I think you need to look very closely at the Tsawwassen deal. My reading is that the lands which are being severed from the ALR and transferred to the band will - over time - come with fee simple title that can be sold to non-natives. I think it's no accident that the treaties which are currently moving toward completion are all in areas where there is a lot of adjacent industrial opportunity or development potential (ref Powell River, Sechelt, etc). This is not a coincidence and I'd be very surprised if such considerations have not played a big part in the selection of those treaty tables which are moving ahead.
We haven't heard the last of this, my view.

I've got an idea!!! Let's blame the government for our homelessness - despite the fact that there are more (though not as many as promised) social housing units. People need to take responsibility for their own actions...

We had our Company X-Mas party on the 21st of December. After a number of cocktails, I urged a few of my employees to carry the party to Granville street - we had a great time - the Roxy sure hasn't changed since my days!!

I noticed some homeless people, but two things really ticked me off....I heard two raggy looking guys musing about how much warmer Vancouver was in Calgary. One block closer to the Roxy, I heard 3-4 ratty looking kids speaking French.

Not one of these people have contributed a single cent to our province and our community. Yet - they demand we provide them with social housing.

I would like to see some studies done - though I have heard that over 1/2 of the DTES residents aren't even from BC. When you have this happening - of course poverty rates will increase. Most of the poverty occurs with migrants and new immigrants.....if you can't afford to come to Vancouver - please, move somewhere else and allow us to continue to build a great city...

Anyone who makes a purchase in the province is paying provincial sales tax. So there is some small contribution to the gov't coffers going on.

Last I heard, Canada was a free country and proof of wealth wasn't a prerequisite for travel within the country's borders.

It's kind of pathetic to hear someone who's face is covered with icing berating those looking for a few crumbs of cake.

Capitalism/Mabellbc

And you know this how?

After a number of cocktails you think you have the solutions to the problems of the world and an understanding about why some particular people happened to cross your path one afternoon in December on Granville Street.

I think you're into the sauce again tonight!

I had to laugh when the provincial government started to crow about how they had signed all the public service contracts and what great negotiators they were, etc. I was involved, to an extent, in some of those negotiations. We were told by the government reps that if we did not agree to/ ratify our new contract, our jobs would be privatized and we could have them back for 9 bucks an hour and our benefits slashed. Funny how I didn't read any of that in the mainstream media. As for the signing bonuses, most folks I work with used it to pay off (part of) the debt they have amassed as they can't live from pay to pay without credit, despite working full time.

By the way, we are the lowest paid of all the public sector workers, i.e, social service workers. After a three year freeze of our wage (which was already abysmally low, we got a forty cent an hour raise.

As for the issue of First Nations, I feel G West hit the nail on the head with his comments, i.e., it being "no accident that the treaties which are currently moving toward completion are all in areas where there is a lot of adjacent industrial opportunity or development potential". I don't think this is a coincidence either, G West, nor does any intelligent person I know. Just ask yourself, what kind of uproar would there have been if the province had tried to unilaterally remove those lands from the ALR. This way, they can feather the nests of their business associates and tax coffers (businesses/ folks on the removed ALR land will no longer be exempt from paying tax under the treaty) and download responsibility for the land decision onto the natives. Why not, they download responsibility for everything else, don't they?

Incidentally, I sent a letter to the Sun to that effect. I'll leave it up to you as to whether or not you think they published it.

Yep, Mr. Campbell is doing a bang-up job, alright.

It is rather strange that some commentators attack the writer of this article because he worked for the NDP gov't back in the 90"s rather than attacking the statements he made. Mr. Schreck has the knowledge to understand the what is contained in the finiancial statements made by the BC Liberals. He dissects their spin and shows us what the numbers really are. None of his detractors have done so.
During the 90's BC was in tough shape due to the asian meltdown and the lose of transfer payments from Ottawa with Liberals pals in control of the federal purse strings. The NDP did very well to keep the province going and when they left office the province had a surplus of $1.5 billion. This was reported by Will Mc Martian on April 20, 2005 in The Tyee.
Http://thetyee.ca/Views/2005/04/20/CampbellMisledPublic/
BC is doing well now due to demands for our natural resources and a strong housing market. The BC Liberals are doing very little to help the economy. The main things they have done is lower the minimium wage to $6.00, reduce regulations so many jobs are less safe (check deaths in the forestry sector) and decrease environmental regulations so more damage can be done in the extraction of natural resources. Campbell and his gang have little to do with the economic "growth" in the province.
His failures mainly go unreported in the Canwest news outlets. Perhaps when the gov't (i.e. us) buys multiple page ads and supplements in the newspapers, they are reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them. remember that Campbell's first meeting when he became Premier was with the head s of Canwest Global.
I believe Keith Richards was a prophet when he summed up Campbell's performance quite nicely when he said, "You can only take credit for being awake at the time."

just back from two glorious days of skiing at whistler. lots of happy people with lots of money to spend up there, and for some strange reason there doesn't seem to be much crowing about gordo and his libs. nothing about basi and virk or maui; no complaints about tax cuts, economic incentives or the thousands of jobs that are being created monthly in this wonderful province, and no protests about the new highway or the 2010 games. must be a bunch of idiot right wing neo-fascist pigdogs eh guys? enjoy your time in opposition boys, 'cause you're going to be there for a while. maybe you should get glennie to make a comeback. him and moe the liar were incessant pitbulls on the other side of the ledge.

Of course there was no complaining about gordo. Their bread is probably buttered by his policies and they could care less about the woes of the "common folk". I wonder how many of their six dollar an hour employees who are making them their money were up there skiing?

i wonder if anyone's forcing them to take those jobs. by the way, i heard the other day that in several locations macdonald's has been forced to increase their wages b/c of falling supply in the labour market. funny how that works isn't it?

Gee, what are they up to now, 6.50? I'm not talking strictly about McD's anyway. I think you missed my point. Then again, you seem like a "screw you Jack, I'm alright type", so it doesn't surprised me that it went over your head. And by the way, you're not foolin' anybody, Gord.

i understood completely djt. you lefties always have to pin blame on someone and always have to find a victim. it's how you guys operate. in a way i feel sorry for your ilk. life must be one big bitch.

I'm actually not a "leftie". I just happen to care about more than just myself. It's people who don't that I feel sorry for. I guess that's you. End of discussion. Goodnight

I heard two raggy looking guys musing about how much warmer Vancouver was in Calgary. One block closer to the Roxy, I heard 3-4 ratty looking kids speaking French.

Not one of these people have contributed a single cent to our province and our community. Yet - they demand we provide them with social housing.

Similar - in fact, nearly identical - comments were made about Chinese in 19th Century B.C.

Hey those blog buttons work real well, don't they? Whatsa goin' on with the DTP/Forum software here, Mr. Ed?

You're still living in the past Elliot, throwing mud and pretending that the good life in a phony plastic ski resort with the masters of the universe has anything to do with reality. I'm surprised they let a hockey bum like you onto the ski hills.

Didn't you get the memo? Glen has joined the 2% cult now - he's not a wannabe like you anymore. I keep missing your sports reporting though.

Are you sure you're not one of the 185 OIC appointments getting paid to pump the government up? Those kinds of testimonials really are worth a regular salary from the man.

Gee, a vacation resort full of visitors from other places... and they're not discussing B.C. politics. Colour me shocked, shocked I say.

From what I've seen on photos and films when I was a kid, you should have seen Berchtesgaden with Adolf smiling from the top, in 1938.

The Soviet nobility's closed and guarded resorts were also something to see.

Ed Deak.

very relevant comment fiat. back to your little isolated wonderland now eh kid.
gwest; i hang with the local crowd, not the pojama people. the ski bums. the guys that have been a part of the community since the 70's and 80's. in fact several of the runs are named after friends of mine. just so you know g. you seem to assume a lot of personal things about people that disagree with your political philosophy. very weird. very insecure. very small. very difficult to discuss something as noble as sports with someone like that.

What I am saying is the opposition needs to be a better opposition and present alternatives that swing voters will want to vote for. That is how elections are won.

And that point is completely lost on the opposition and its supporters in BC.

Ski bums uninterested in politics? Surely you jest. Has the world gone crazy?

http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/
Is this Democracy? I call it Organized Crime as OUR so called Justice System (Wally Oppal) becomes more and more entwined with politicians http://thetyee.ca/Views/2006/11/20/Oppal/

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/lifestyle/article.jsp?content=20041206_63986_63986
CanWest totally useless as a media for real public knowledge

just ended. 4-2 canada. congratulations to our junior boys! what a gutsy performance by those young lads. and what an amazing coaching job by craig hartsburgh and his staff.

Why do you think I don't have to do anything but post your mindless drivel back at you El?

All your stuff is personal and ad hominem. The only time you ever actually discuss something and throw mud is when you talk sports.

The point is, you behave like a spoiled child - don't be surprised when I treat you that way because it's exactly the way you behave. If you want a serious discussion you'll show it and start behaving appropriately.

I'm not holding my breath. I know a lot of people from that era who used to love Whistler too - they wouldn't be caught dead there now.

Professional sports as noble? Who should I count as my role models? Michael (I'll take that bet) Jordan? Danny "Pass me a beer, it's thirsty work driving" Heatley? One of the cyclists from the Tour De Masking Agents? Ben Jonson?

High level sports is nothing but a circus to take people's minds off the bread being stolen off their plate.

Meant to also say that from what I see, mostsports are a competition to see who can cheat the most and not get caught. I would never encourage my child to take such an attitude or play a game that way.

Elliot:
Post above:
"The only time you ever actually discuss something and throw mud is when you talk sports."

should have been:
'The only time you ever actually discuss something and DON'T throw mud is when you talk sports.'

nice blabber stumpy boy. excuse me while i yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnn....

Keep piling up the evidence El.

I don't have to make personal remarks about you, you just keep drawing pictures of yourself that do it so much more directly and eloquently.

Just tune in to sports talk, put your feet up and shut off your brain - I think you're losing control.

I'm reaaally happy Gordon Campbell has supporters like you.

It makes my job so much easier.

I just have to point to the company he keeps.

Stump

That is so true as we are being Dumbed Down (to late for ellidiot) Why aren't the people of BC US out in the streets and on the lawns of OUR Legislature Buildings demanding an independent investigation into the very long and unreasonable delay/cover-up of and CanWest's conspiracy in this whole sordid mess?
"WE, BRITISH COLUMBIANS ARE BEING ROBBED BLIND BY THESE SO CALLED ELITE"

How can the people of Canada let alone BC realy know the TRUTH?
http://www.ketupa.net/asper1.htm#newspapers

Like G West, I'd like to read where it's been published that "...his wife has reportedly separated from him and has reverted to using her maiden name. Campbell now lives alone..." (quote from the linked May 2005 Republic article"

SLP. I didn't see the link in your posting. Wonder why? I just googled Lara Dauphinee and read the article you referred to. Interesting comments about the "made man" aspect at the end of the article.

I'm a little rusty at posting here. I was able to
include quotes before by hilighting the text and clicking the quote icon as I recall. How is this now accomplished?

Was there an artical in msm about Kitimat?
I'd say that Kitimat should be the Flagship town of the People's Peace Movement!
Kitimat just showed the rest of US that WE as a movement together can take on these Alcan't etal greedy corrupt corporations and Win!
I/WE should be sending the mayor and brave citizens of Kitimat a letter of support as they are not alone in taking on gordo and his cowardly stooges selling US British Columbians out .
Just an idea.
MY grandchildren will remember this turning point in their history!

KitsCommuter
It's not your fault. The software is rusty. You have to type each of the HTML tags in manually. Or cut and paste them around the text you want to emphasize. The current messed up program spits out different, but all unwanted and extraneous messages like the one that surprised you.

The quoted item from Grumpy was from a Kevin Potvin article in the Republic of East Vancouver. The rumour was a riff on that which got mentioned up thread by the brain and was subsequently removed as possible libel. I suspect you can determine why. As I said earlier, I haven't been able to confirm that it is anything but a rumour. The fundamentals about someone who works in the Premier's office and what her title is are all matters of public record.

BC Dude.
I just posted a Paul Willcocks article from the Times Colonist on the Alcan thread. Does that count as mainstream?

LOL

Thanks G West I'd say that's msn as CanWest owns it.
I'll check out Alcan't blog
I'm surprised it's in the Times Colonist
Some of CanWest's Newspaper Companies
* Calgary Herald Group Inc.
* CanWest Publications Inc.
* Edmonton Journal Group Inc.
* Lower Mainland Publishing Group Inc.
* Montreal Gazette Group Inc.
* Nanaimo Daily News Group Inc.
* Ottawa Citizen Group Inc.
* Pacific Newspaper Group Inc.
* Port Alberni Times Group Inc.
* ReachCanada Contact Centre Limited
* Regina Leader Post Group Inc.
* Saskatoon StarPhoenix Group Inc.
* The National Post Company
* Vancouver Island Newspaper Group Inc.
* Victoria Times Colonist Group Inc. * Windsor Star Group Inc.
chuckel

awesome work bcdude. you've got lots more people to blame everything on now. power to the people.

Still playing games I see El. I know who YOU blame for everything.

Gordon Campbell is the greatest Premier since WAC Bennet. God Bless Him.

A blatant untruth like that needs highlighting and a frame, it's almost on a par with Elliot's usual nonsense.

acadian driftwood. Maybe you should read the article in question yourself. Not hard to find, just follow the same approach I did. One of the main points of the article deals with the manner in which the mainstream media has dealt with this issue. That is to say complete silence. I'm not one to castigate and condem based on inuendo but I feel these rumours, as they are, should be addressed by the media and put to rest, if possible, by the premier's office.

well said acadian. it's only the extreme lefties and the professional protesters/welfare recipients that don't acknowledge how well this province is being run right now. i started following b.c. politics in 1972, when i was young and naive and campaigning for dave barrett's socialist horde. this is the quietest time we've had since then b/c people are satisfied with this gov't and are willing to accept their few gaffs in consideration of their many successes.

acadian driftwood, Ell-idot, you two are so brain dead about what Gordo (is he a made man) is doing to this OUR Province of British Columbia!
He's involved in the biggest dirty scandal ever to hit BC. The BC Legislature Raids 28-12-2003 backed up for three years by CanWest’s conspiracy of silence! How are WE the People of BC able to know what the hell is going on?
Canceling the fall legislature sitting because in his words “It was busy work” who does this guy think he is?
Two days ago in the little town of Kitimat with 11,000 citizens beat Gordo and Alcan with the help of an NGO put there to protect citizens rights.
Way to go Kitimat!
Campbell should be stripped of his PREIMER title and brought up on criminal charges/treason against the people of British Columbia! Alcan and Campbell?
What was gordo promised in exchange?

Still can't manage to post your thoughts and views without stooping to calling people you don't agree with nasty names, I see. The fact you’ve found an friend in Acadian Driftwood is hardly exceptional.

Back to the sports pages El, you're still young and naive. You need to get out more, people are NOT happy with this government. Not that they're pleased with the opposition either for that matter, but that's beside the point.

The Canucks appear to be capable of making the playoffs if present trends continue, wouldn't you agree?

Ellidiot yes this is a very quite time which would make the average person very suspicious!
Like why is can'twest so empty of news about gordos criminal deeds Basi, Verk, Basi Boneman, Christy Clark, etal
Who's got the hammer in BC?
Jan 17 next court date as I'll be there for BC future

The giveaway of BC Ferries to the man an American at that, who put another company into bankruptcy in the United States?
Coverup of the fatal sinking of Queen of the North by Hann and company two people making out, I doubt it.

I wonder what happened to BC Mary's site as the last entry was Jan 02-07?
It was rumored she had been warned twice to cease and desist, by who and what happened to free speech?
http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/

Elliot

It seems the passage of time has negated one of your qualifiers but apparently the other still holds true!

The only way to prevent extreme right wing parties from governing is to bring on a middle of the road party. Gordon Campbell recognized this in the early 90's. This is why he joined the up and coming Liberal party. He was able to turn the party into something farther to the right than the Socreds ever were, and at the same time eliminate any meaningful future opposition. As a result, 60 % of our population is voting for the lesser of two evils. We are paying dearly for his lack of morals.

blame the sinking of the North on the b.c. marine ferry union (or whatever they're called). they let a junior watch officer alone on the bridge with his girlfriend/helmswoman. Blaming Hahn doesn't cut the mustard.

you're about as cliche-riden as they come bc clown. you're also very boring. sounds to me like you're probably one of those professional protesters who think the gov't owe them everything. there's no shortage of aholes like that in this province.
as for you g; you need to get over your obsession with me.

Absolutely right ac. The guilty party is the man responsible for turning the government, and a lot of public institutions, from accountable bodies, into private cults - about which the public and the taxpayer no longer has any right to know.

Just like his government.

Just like Gordon.

as for the sinking of the ferry; blaming it david hahn is hilarious. the two crew members were getting jiggy with it on the bridge, and the coverup is being executed by the ferries union, which, by the way, is probably the most antiquated in the province. or perhaps they're tied for that honour with the bctf.

Arcadian driftwood says the two were left on the bridge alone.If the officer was qualified and the next most senior guy just went for lunch I guess it's up to the Canadian Safty board to decide if that was OK, not arcadian drifwood or any other poster. If the bridge folks were not trained on new equipment that will come ouit as well. But I thought we don't run BC Ferries anymore, so how come the story drifted there if the thread was supposed to the Premier having a bad year? Or are you bored with the story and have decided to slag a few woking people?

More ad hominem insults. You're not growing up very fast El. How old were you in 1972?

Even managed to drag in the BCTF - but I noticed you ignored the fact that this is now a private corporation and the public no longer has any 'right' to know what's actually going on. We may hear something from the safety board; we won't hear anything from the Premier - the Province's self-appointed CEO and we no longer have any right to expect anything but spin from Hahn. That's the way things this 'government' likes it.

It might interfere with their marketing plan. You CAN ask Davey Hahn about that EL.

Back to the Sports Page - you're still spinning your wheels.

Blame Game...Bragging Rights ???

These Kampbell Klowns are sinking ferries,killing off as many homeless as they can and generally SELLING OUT BRITISH COLUMBIA !

So whats new this year ???

THEY GONNA MAKE THE TRAINS RUNN ON TIME LIKE UNCLE ADOLF ?

WHOA!what am i talking about,with derailments every few days !

Geez Gordo can't even fill uncle adolfs shoes !

WONDER WHY???gordo is so admired here ???

OH YEAH,forgot who posts on these pages while...bussing gordos butt.

shame on g campbell

maestro, ellidiot, cappy and the likes read this
In WW1 and WW2 WE were and still are a Proud Sovereign Country! Canada went to war for OUR Democracy and OUR Democratic right to vote and be free of dicktators like WE have in BC!
When a politician runs for any public office or leadership Regional, Provincial or Federal any promises they make and not kept they should be held accountable by the same rules as WE the rightful owners of BRITISH COLUMBIA (in a court they call lying being deceitful Purgery) A Commission WatchDog for the BC People's assets and money like the awesome NGO B.C. Utility Commission Alcan vs Kitimat
Gordo Campbell has so many scandals against him you would think the media would be all over these real scandals, but no WestCan is in a silent conspiracy with the BC Fiberals to keep US the taxpayers who by the way PAY their exorbitant salaries and all perks, car allowances plus fuel and insurance, hotel bills including meals (a lunch bill of over $200 for the only one I’ve ever seen published?
Let’s make 2007 the year WE take back OUR and OUR Kids Present and Future make all crooked politician’s lifes a pure Hell as they have made so many of OUR most vulnerable in society homless, single parents, the disabled mentally or physically! shame on US!

well done bc clown. you've

well done bc clown. you've just proven you know nothing about canadian history, as anyone who did would never say that canada was a sovereign nation during wwI. just as i thought, you wax blather about subjects you have no knowledge of. let me know if you'd like to know what was going on in 1914 and i'll fill you in, free of charge.

Elliot my mistake w/o

Elliot my mistake w/o reading first, my bad.
It was Feb 15 1965 when we took down the Union Jack for the last time and raised the Maple Leaf for the first time and became a Sovereign Nation!
I was stationed in the European Theater at that time.
Now what about the rest of the blog Ell-idiot?

i appreciate and respect

i appreciate and respect someone who can admit when they're wrong. as for the rest of the blog; it's blather. no basis in fact or truth. means absolutely nothing.