I wrote this email today to

:

dear Translink board:

I wish to express my opposition to the planned paving and division of the blueberry nursery for a transit connecting road in Maple Ridge. Any reduction in good farmland is bad, considering how much has already been transformed into parking lots, malls and so on in the Fraser delta. Additionally, there is the polluting of the crop by the vehicles using the road, both airborne and from road runoff, which will have a deleterious effect on the crop. Why must you ramrod this road through, in this alignment? It speaks of an organization that is not responsive to people but to number crunchers, of an organization that puts roads ahead of quality of life.

Michael Cox
Vancouver

Earth calling Corky. where ere you guys when Clark and McPhail pushed through the Millennium Line after many years of planning for LRT? Guess what, it was your supporters who wanted light rail, but you guys did what you damn will pleased! Clark and McPhail got bought off by the SkyTrain lobby Corky and you never said a thing. Guess what Corky, next election you guys got 2 seats!

Good bye Corky, We don't lsten to you any more.

That the messenger of this story is Corky Evans is irrelevant...as for myself I am thankful that he wrote this up and the Tyee saw fit to post it up for us all to read - as, and this is the main point, it illustrates a 'huge injustice", a considerable 'falterating of the democratic process", and "unjustifiable and unnecessary 'taking' of productive farm land and ..when 130 feet away...is Crown land though which the road could be built.

As for myself, I focused on this paragraph:

"he TransLink board, apparently, desires to devolve their mandate to their staff and will not use their decision-making power and responsibility to make decisions of any kind. When governing bodies do not exercise their capacity to govern, but instead devolve decision-making authority to operational staff, terrible things happen. This is not something we are experienced with in Canada. This tends to be the method of governance we expect from false democracies and tyrannical systems in other parts of the world. "

This failure or refusal of the Translink Board to use their decision-making power, for fear no doubt that their decision will be appealed, is in my opnion an error of law, it is a failure to exercise their lawful jurisdiction, it is a failure to consider the totality of the evidence before them, it is a capricious, even perverse decision, it is patently unreasonable....all of which, in my legalistic minds ought to be grounds to have the Translink administrative decision reviewed judicially.

I have not made the effort to legally research what avenues or appeal or judicial review are available, but surely, such a decision is - or ought to be justicible. Maybe Corky needs to talk to Mr. Krog, the NDP's AG critic, whilst the owners of the farm ought to retain legal counsel post-haste.

Peter
Don't hold your breath. On another, I'd say equally important, file Leonard Krog appears happy and satisfied to get his news from the daily papers.

Send me an email at

if you want details.

This is just another step in the process of the people losing OUR democratic rights to these vermin Malcolm Brodie, the chair of TransLink and the mayor of Richmond.
Who pays these jerks, WE do, the taxpayers!
These so-called scorage are supposed to be there for the public's rights! Whose properties will be next?
The people of this OUR province had better take a stand against this evil that is taking over OUR province!
The farse of the BC Legislature Raids posponed again etc.

The NDP should do this and that?
Have you not noticed that the fall-sitting barely happened for only 3 days?
Have you seen the media help NDP spread its message?
Thanks to the Media and Gordo, it is very limited what NDP can do.
You on the other hand could do plenty by not electing Gordo and his kind again!

Baloney.

They could at least give the appearance of trying and not being little more than 2 dozen individuals fielding phone calls in their constituency offices.

The whole party has become as timorous as a mouse. More concerned with disclaimers than declarations; following rather than leading; debating rather than acting; observing rather than researching.

The press is bad, no question, no doubt they’ll report the fact that the Green party outpolled the NDP candidate as it did yesterday in London. Moreover, that’s the federal party, where the leader still has a pulse.

Geez Corky...

There are far cheaper ways to get blueberries...maybe even try buying them. (I know the term "cost effective" isn't in the NDP nomenclature).

Aren't you the same NDP MLA Corky Evans that ackowledged that many of your OWN constituents are quasi- cult members to the environmental movement, who are increasingly joining the Green Party , of which you advised your own NDP party they should play footsie with this same Green party ....however without advising your own party leader C.J. ?

Really, what's this blueberry issue all about...looking to do a Larry Campbell and get a Senate seat ?

The story of the farm was brought up in the hose yesterday. along with a number of other issues affecting us all. The government ignored all of them. why would a government which already owns land 130 feet away, expropriate land from a individual and ruin their farm. They do it because they can, and because they aren't about to admit they were being stupid. The Campbell government are pretty arrogant and really really don't want to admit they are wrong. They got caught on the CVhildren and Family fiasco and had to eat it. But not Gordon, he didn't show up,

Dear Corky:

I know this is typical of Dr. Frankensteins...and their black sheep offspring they don't wish to either (i) acknowledge or (ii) be reminded of....but TransLink was set up in 1998, by the THEN Gov't in power (Hint...Current B.C. Gov't was elected in the early 2000's).

Translink replaced BC Transit, in order to take over the transportation responsibilities that were previously the responsibility of THE PROVINCIAL GOV'T .

If you didn't set up a "leash" for TransLink, or limit its powers, they are only doing what that UNnamed BC Gov't in 1998 allowed them to do...correct? That same UNnamed 1998 BC Gov't simply downloaded the responsibility to another civic body, hence the power...now the cows are coming home and the chickens also roosting...so quit bleating on the soap box.

The "hypocrisy -meets -ignorance" is mind- numbing..which is why your party will have a long term social contract to stay in Opposition...vs a license towards any more social engineering...if it even lasts that long. TIP: Remember blueberries should be frozen...best if done individually...they only last about a week otherwise. Enjoy!

maestro - hardly.

Each administration and corporate body rests on its own record. You sound like Campbell/Tayor and Co. I guess they're the ones who cut your cheques. Have your friends helped you with that little ALR problem yet? Keep pulling hard on the right oar, you'll be spinning around in circles anon.

Alci:

That offshore/sweatshop built personal satellite is obviously working...though a bit slow on the uptake. I'm sure the bugs will get worked out so we can get back to the regular "Alci- P-R-O-G-R-A-M-M-I-N-G ".

You still don't get it ,...do you ???, and here I thought as a last resort a bit of repetition of the obvious would drill a hole and make "some" impact in that ol' Roamin'-Greco cranium.

One oar is better than one, though most of us use an outboard. You are simply floating(barely)and without a paddle.

If you actually knew what you were talking about, this story, the issue, and Corky's thinly - veiled RED HERRING lament wouldn't even exist. You and Corky should share the same boat.

Sorry bud, won't work. Once outed, a liar has lost his credibility. And, given what you posted on the 'chiefs' thread, that seems to be what you are.

Maestro your God Gordo and his criminal bunch of cowardly Yes men have sold their souls for their Gods, money and power!
All lies kinda sounds like you!
The only minister in his whole cartel who had the nads, was his minister of health I think her name was Bellamy she couldn't take the way Gordo was bastardizing OUR Public health-care system

add on last blog
and she quit as I believe she had a Conscience

Guys, follow the money, who benefits from expropriation, who benefits from the demise of Formosa Farms. Lot's of old Socred, now Liberal, names there. FOLLOW THE MONEY!

As for the TransLink Board - [I]a ship of fools![I]

I was incorrect when I said the blueberry farm was mentioned in the long day in the house yesterday. I read Hansard up until it stopped at 5AM. At least two different MLA's raised the issue. Corky wasn't one of them. he had some other issues to raise. I understand Bill Vanderzam was supporting the idea and he was in the crowd down at the farm. Bill may have been a socred but he was a farmer. WAC once said folks shouldn't worry about growing land being turned into parking lots as we could always buy it cheaper from California. The folks on the right always figure it's the best way to do things. wonder why so many locals line up at farm markets to buy local just picked produce.

I wonder if George Pewal is still on the transit board? Probably paid as a consultant.
We all know how dirty politics is but why does it have to be that way?
We need a working mans watchdog over these "self rightious characters"

Malcolm Brodie, the chair of TransLink and the mayor of Richmond - Corky Evans

That connects enough dots for me. If this numbnutter is too docile to get it through his thick dense skull that the road could be moved a mere 130 feet away on crown land and is still to arrogant to change his mind simply because old Malcolm happens to be the chair of Translink AND the mayor of Richmond at the same time... its a clear abuse of power, and quite right of Corky to bring it to the publics attention, regardless of Corky's own hazy past. We aren't living in a banana republic, here.

This story has many holes.

Check out this link:

http://www.translink.bc.ca.goldenearsbridge/current_topics.asp

It discusses this project and the Formosa Farm issue in detail which Corky seems to conveniently not include.

(Disclaimer: peckerheads like Alci and his brother BC "Duh"de will likely claim its a neo con site full of George Bush encryption).

The REST of you with at least something resembling an open mind may find it interesting...especially if you have any idea of how the ALC works, as they approved this project in Jan. 2005.

Sorry..I erred on the link. Correction below:

http://www.translink.bc.ca/goldenearsbridge/current_topics.asp

Nope its not me...THE TYEE is screwing up...type in FORMOSA Farms in the search engine...look for the Translink link

Given the ALC has made their ruling almost 2 years ago...this story seems to boil down to the matter of compensation.

When property is expropriated, or Crown acquisition simply negotiated, various compensation mechanisms come into play. some of them can be rather generous, especially if one(seller) plays one's cards right.

(I could cite ACTUAL examples in my own neighbourhood, but " delusional censor Alci " and his henchperson B.C. Dude wouldn't want you to be lied to, though it may be useful to anyone ELSE who is interested).

However, my understanding of the ALC and its empowering legislation is that the actual owner of the land must make the application for the land to be excluded from the ALR.

Furthemore, the ALC tends to look towards net benefit provisions...and top of the "net benefit" list is the expropriated ALR land be replaced with other similar lands...or covenanted , etc.

Seems to me, and given the above, including the link, this is a done deal and the current Formosa Farms cause celebre' is being used as bargaining leverage for the farm owners and Corky is simply filling Svends' old " swan " shoes and simply making political hay.

It created by your government, Corky. It a bad idea then and is a bad idea now. The last thing we needed was yet antother body with the authority to regulate and tax.

It was largely created so Mao Tse Glenn could ram through the the new Skytrain line, which ran exclusively through NDP ridings with NDP mayors.

Now it is so polticially dysfunctional it should simply be abolished. The old system worked better because as long as old Derrick Corrigan is there, anything that involves the government in Victoria will result in a log jam.

Another NDP regulatory success.

This, from the Translink site, sounds highly questionable and conjectural to me. Under the cirumstances, given the dismissive character of the last sentence, I won't be holding my breath for reconsideration.

Pretty clear now WHO you work for maestro. It would be interesting to have some more information about who owns the other properties potentially affected and what agricultural uses they are being put to.

Not to mention why Maple Ridge council feels the way it does.

I looked at the map and I can't see any reason the road shouldn't be moved. Certainly it wouldn't cause the road to wind as much as the "S" curve in the Richmond connector and that road was aligned to fit into the surrounding fields. Translinks arguement that it'll cost 5 - 10 million more to move the road is convenient but if correct we should be asking why didn't they use their existing right of way from the beginning? It makes me wonder if Malcolm Brodie is using his "Richmond oval" engineers to come up with these cost estimates.

ALC-i

You are simply delusional and add A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y nothing to the debate.

Re read my Dr. Frankenstein and its creation. If the UNnamed political party in power in 1998 had not created the TransLink beast...I can see the issue being dealt with in a much different fashion. I mean really, given the way the GVRD operates...was Translink going to be much different ???...an unaccountable quasi- Gov't body ??? Some things are best left to Local Gov't, others best left with higher levels of Gov't. This issue should not have involved a NON -Provincial body. Too Late.

If you even knew sweet "F" all about the ALC Act, expropriation powers etc. etc...and the integrated legal dynamics between them ,... then you would maybe see the bigger picture. The given Local Gov'ts had a lot of say in this...and legally they had to have a say...which is deftly avoided by Corky.

Corky is simply grandstanding, and in my view is mounting a coup on Carol James...rally the old guard.....read into this and the other smoke signal and drum pounding by the Corkster.

If you want to debate ALC-i fine....otherwise, quit ranting , misdirecting ....and maybe run for the NDP so we can either vote you in , let you hang yourself when the pedal hits the metal (real world)so as to kick your sorry ass out later ...or perhaps we can send an even BETTER message the first go around.

This is more evidence as to why the NDP is becoming irrelevant.... the blind leading the even blinder, which is fine till they actually become Gov't...and the blindness and denial becomes even more entrenched.

This has nothing to do with who created Translink. Just like the ALR today has very little to do with who created IT – remember?

It has everything to do with whether or not the decision making process in respect of Formosa farms and this particular road has been done in an appropriate way. It may well be that Translink is correct - it may equally be the case that they aren't.

What we are really talking about is an abuse of process.

I don't have the information to make that judgment, and apparently, Maple Ridge couldn't care less.

Sometimes it's necessary to do something a little more sophisticated than a straight-line cost benefit analysis; but, I see no evidence from the the data YOU pointed to that this has been done.

What Translink wants Formosa Farms to do is take the money and shut up. Sounds like just the kind of thing that would buy you off too maestro - relative to your own personal ALR problem.

I see no empirical evidence that the local governments have done anything but turn thumbs down and the Translink board has tried to skate over this issue and hope it goes away. Is that enough blindness and denial for you.

I freely admit I don't know the situation on the ground. However, you've posted, as is your usual practice, not a single thing to indicate you're interested in anything other than mud-slinging.

I've watched you and read you often enough now to understand exactly what you're all about.

As to ranting, I'll let the other readers decide who has a Phd in that.

Hey TYEE is this working or another technical problem.

Unless I am mistaken, Corky is not your stockbroker, nor my barber.

HOWEVER, unlike us lower citizen voter/peons, Corky is , IN FACT, an MLA , an elected representative, with years of so -called experience in Gov't , and morseo while once in power as THE Provincial Gov't. He has the resources, even in Opposition, to get his information correct and plead his case, which I think is shallow at best.

Corky was a member of the very BC Gov't administration that created TransLink. If he and his ilk are that clueless so as not to have the vision to foresee all sorts of big picture consequences after giving birth to something like Translink, no wonder they are in Opposition. The Public inevitably sees through it,...no matter how muddy the camouflage is,...it goes with the package and the territory.

Often , many of these sorts of projects have been on the books for years, public knowledge, it's simply a matter of "when".

Corky's 11 th hour epiphany is waste of time. If he hadn't acknowledged TYEE authorship, I would have thought it was written by some ill-informed idealistic High School student. It's almost embarassing to read, as I actually didn't think Corky was bad guy who at times possessed a bit of common sense. I guess potentially seeking the N*P leadership makes that the first thing to be jettisoned .

They go after people who create toxic waste...years after the fact,don't they???... thus, don't play that silly delusional game that ignores the FACT that they, the UNnamed previous BC Gov't created the beast/s. If the given beast wasn't created then the beast wouldn't even be able to create a problem...correct...???

This TYEE topic is about Corky trying to rally support.Sorry Corky..reminds me of the person who murdered their parents and seeks mercy due to their (self - induced)orphan status.

However, you ALCi (the PhD in ranting) are embarassing even to the UNnamed BC Opposition party. Your comments add more thread to the rope.

Alcibiades I personally agree with you on hundred percent and anything that Maestro/nutcase puts into blogs adds nothing to the blog/conversation except as you say mudslinger! As I've said in other blog's "I wonder who's paying his remittance to detract"

Anything the regional the provincial Gordo, or the federal S. Harper governments say is good for the people, I look at with a very critical in-depth word for word Scrutiny, as I wouldn't trust any politician in these days of corporate influence, greed and power

So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men: Voltaire. François Marie Arouet (1694-1778)

Yep...I guess the phone line is working eh BC Duh'de...while ya sit on ALCi's lap.

Alci: QUOTE
" I freely admit I don't know the situation on the ground " .

Then Alci must be going Waaaaaaaaaaay Baaaaaaaccckkkkk an extrapolating some possible connection by me to this.

Huh?

QUOTE: "I've watched you and read you often enough now to understand exactly what you're all about."

OOOOOhhhh psycho cyber stalker..."EXACTLY" ....??? "ALL ABOUT"??? Sorry, Dude...ya walk on water too?

And he accuses "moi" of mudslinging ????

Please....share your conclusions with the world. What 3rd world correspeondence school did ya get yer Dyplomas?

ALCi must be related to Corky...he admits he knows squat but then comments about it. Maybe ALCi should challenge Corky for the N*P nomination in Corky's riding. If ALCi did know something...he wouldn't engage in that which he accuses other of. More rope dudes...can ya still breathe?

Now go back to holding hands...(though I loved your brother act in "STUCK ON YOU").

No! You wouldn't have an axe to grind would you maestro. Remember this:

Rafe states that the Socreds fixed the problem of the abundant amount of non- agricultural land caught up in the ALR through fine -tuning. However, there is still a huge amount of NON agricultural land trapped in this 1972 NDP Gov't ALR Frankenstein.

I know ....because myself and my neighbours own small mostly 1/2 acre residential properties that for 70 years were NOT in the ALR, were never farmed...but somehow in 1972 our properties were somehow placed in the ALR, and it has been a total liability for us to be included within the ALR.

maestro

It seems to me that you went way back more than five+ years when you quoted the NDP rein.
Maestro you still mudslinging!
And to answer your imbecilic question "No I Don't Walk On Water, I Leave That to Jesus"!

How old are you any way Maestro?
You act like a spoiled brat!

I finished reading Hansard for the overnight session. Corky Evans did speak about the farm. I said earlier he had not. Mind you the blues were a little late getting on the net. he said he and others have made mistakes, the purpose of the house was to discuss things and come to reasonable solutions. The Gordo gang weren't about to do any such thing. The leader of the pack never showed up.

There are those who say that this is just a small farm; that the owners have been compensated or will be compensated either with cash or a land swap so what’s the big deal, what’s the problem? Why should this little piece of land stand in the way of such a grand and important project such as the Golden Ears Bridge and its approach roads?

This land, while it may seem small compared to all that has already been lost to development, it is very important. This land is in fact more important than the bridge, in fact more important than the whole Gateway project itself.

This little farm is now a symbol. A symbol of a society in flux where clashing beliefs between an old paradigm of constant increasing economic growth with attendant increase in road construction and fuel consumption meet the modern reality of a finite world with finite resources.

What will guarantee our food security when the massively increased
costs of petrochemical based fertilizers, oil based transportation from
California's artificially-irrigated industrial farms jack up the prices
of our imported food? Why still this preoccupation with road expansion when our focus should be on the need to build compact cities and the protection and enhancement of agricultural land.

We are going to need radical conservation policies tailored to deal with the seas rise and the threat to our local low-lying communities and our arable soils.

Prof. Thomas Homer-Dixon, U of T:
"Our food system depends upon steady streams of tractor-trailers bringing fresh vegetables from Florida
and California. As we pave over our agricultural land and build subdivisions, we are progressively losing our food-system resilience.

"Our communities need to have the capacity to produce more of what we need locally. That has to be a matter of government concern. What happens if the Canadian border is shut, and not just for a couple of days as it was after 9-11, but for an extended period of time? What kind of capacity do we have to maintain an agricultural system in the eventuality of much higher energy prices, say five times higher than they are right now?

"We're making assumptions that the parameters in which we live are going to stay roughly the same, in terms of energy prices, in terms of political and social stability, and we have to spend some time thinking about what would happen if the world were radically different. Food security is part of that. Our tightly networked and highly specialized food system is vulnerable to cascading failures. I think we're too far in the direction of too much connectivity and specialization.
"Things like [British Columbia's Agricultural Land Reserve] are an important part of maintaining that resilience. There may be a point somewhere in the future where we'll need all that agricultural land. I think plans to protect agricultural land should be interpreted not in aesthetic terms -- that's important -- but in terms of long-term economic resilience for society."

Translink and the GVRD in general need to understand that

The highest use possible for this land is as farmland.

We need to save this piece and the next and the next. After that we need to cross to the south side of the river and save the hundreds of hectares slated to be destroyed in our crazy provincial government’s desire to become the Loading dock of North America.

Atta boy Alci....

Exactly as predicted...profiling works both ways...not at all surprised.

BC Dude....

Sorry, I wasn't talking to YOU about walking on water. You remind me of something else.

What you seem to miss (and I don't even remotely imply " dumb like a fox " mode ) is the seeds are set and the accountability is pointed directly at the sower. When the shite hits the fan the Lefties simply try to play "dumb like a fox"...and are very bad at it. They try to bounce back the core of the issue, which simply indicts them further...and get Grade stamped as cult- like ideologues and zealots, which ironically even Corky admits is more prevalent amongst the Left.

TransLink was created in 1998. Not by Gordo. ALR was created in 1972. Not by Gordo, nor Zalm, nor Rita, nor Bill. Now these two creations intermingle in THIS case.

If one actually KNEW about the ALR and ALC...which some of us ACTUALLY have...nomenclature ALC words like " net benefit " . etc. would twig. Also try and access the ALC Staff report. The ALC commissioners will likley not re- view the site because it serves no purpose...they tend to view sites only under application. It's been decided, doesn't Corky know this?

This Formosa Farms story is almost 2 years old, given the ALC decision rendered in early 2005. Corky seesm to imply this is fresh , happening via starting NOW, and yet he's now playing Superman? !

Now Corky and Co. are toying with the public...its now a side show...emotion, ideology...blah blah ...where were they 2 years ago being pro-active and " nipping it in the bud " ??? Oh yeah..reduced to only 2 N*P ers...Joy and Jenny? Corky had even more time THEN.

Of course the issue is packaged as such...I myself will review the info provided and make my own call. If the given is a road will happen, and it has to pass somewhere in the area...the cost of the status quo(current) option VERSUS even more public money to move it a few feet over and so -called "save a farm" or reduce its impact.

The irony is the ALR designation has kept the land value LOW, the ALC Act, never ever disallowed expropriation. Conclusion: park the idealism,...instead do the Math.

If they change the current plans , it appears this would cost more, hence set a precedent. I am not saying I don't have sympathy for the Farm owners, but if one has a handle on how the system works, the best they can do is play hardball with compensation..which is why I think this issue is PUBLIC now, 2 years later..the "Public Sympathy"strategy so that their silence can be bought off.

Oh well, if Corky can get Alci and BC Dude to squeeze onto his bandwagon I guess it ain't any more a lost cause that when he started. The fact you two just don't get it is not my concern, ....and even more when you two join forces to waste time displacing objective debate with knee-jerk ideology and rhetoric, and spread even more clueless BS than a F/T farm manure spreader .

Baloney, maestro and you know it. The socialist hordes (pace WAC Bennett) have been in power for 13 years, give or take, in the last 106. Most of what's wrong with this place has absolutely nothing to do with them and if you were an honest man you'd admit it.

You're not. You have a secret agenda and you make statements you can’t back up or you knew were untrue when you made them.

Anyone who pays any further attention to you is wasting his or her time and effort.

You came here 'cause you had a particular personal bone stuck in your craw and you've hung around playing silly buggers ever since. Every thing you write is just more evidence of same.

You're the only one playing on a bandwagon.

Well ALCi...you obviously didn't read Rafe's article waaaaaaayyyyy baaaaaaaccccck in its proper context.

Gov't is simply a continuum, whereby the given current administration is often beholden, if not handcuffed, by the collective-ness of past administrations and their legislation etc..

The fact the past and present Gov't administrations may be 180 degree opposed or poles apart in philosophy/ideology is irrelevant.

Rafe made that clear, or implied it..and anyone MORE familar with what he wrote would know EXACTLY that. The fact you can't even pass this simple acid test shows me you are simply nothing more than a robo cult- member of a thankfully dying breed.

Keep it coming ALCi....I will keep it for future reference AS WELL. You fit to "T" the pseudo - intellectual whose warmed over ideology and dogma is simply in denial of the facts and the bigger realities.

Time to call BC Dude isn't it....woof woof. You n' dude both put the MAO in ROTFLMAO.

Government, sadly, is what the people make of it. You're apparently just along for the ride. The fact that one happens to comment on Rafe Mair's articles implies in no sense that I see him as any kind of a radical or revolutionary avatar. Given that, he does see things much more clearly than you do.

I always find the most interesting aspect of your time here is the simple and often remarked fact that you are always reduced to a sputtering incoherence characterized by childish name calling. As indicated just above.

In the end, hardly a centimeter from the kind of thing Ron Erwin writes.

Here we go again...

The condescending rope-a-dope of ALCi

M-O-R-E Generalities...tired old party line....can't look at the details...tail between legs...yii yii yiii.

You can't even take a simple spoon -fed reference to Rafe and digest it properly. Where in the hell did I say or imply Rafe was a radical or an avatar ?

Here ONE more chance ALCi, if we agree that any given Gov't can , in theory , either annul or amend ANY or ALL previous Gov't administrations legislation...why has the ALR stayed in place?

Take some time ALCi....but not too much.

Now...its time to put up...

......OR SHUT UP !!!!!

MY God, a article about expropriating land from the land reserve ends up as a slanging match between a couple of guys. One tells us he will review the events and make his decision. well sports fans, we elect MLA's to sort things out. If they aren't in the house to do just that things happen that may or may not be a bit shady. Why would the team refuse to move a road 130 feet or so onto crown Land so the cost would be less than taking some families land and livelihood away from them is beyond me.Maybe it's because they were too dumb to figure it out, or maybe it's because they intend to trash a lot more ALR land. It's being tried in other places and the developers don't take no for a answer very well. I also believe that its sort of crude to tell another poster to shut up. Getting upset as someone else tries to press a point of view is no reason to insult them and telling them to put up or shut up.

Thanks DPL. Even the 'semblance' of some measure of reasonable deliberation and actual due process on behalf of the Translink board would have been something.

The utter arrogance and dismissiveness of the way they washed their hands of the issue says a great deal about the way 'business' is now done in this province.

I happened to exchange emails with a Vancouver pollster the other day and was quite surprised to learn that his polling indicates frustration with the GVRD and its constituent members is extremely high. Almost as high he says is the growing resentment of the general public as to the way the Campbell government is currently behaving.

Not that one would ever notice it from the pages of any of the local papers - alas.

Unfortunately, I’m frequently mindful of a quote from Malcolm Muggeridge at times like these: “People do not believe lies because they have to, but because they want to.”

DPL....

It is part of a bigger picture and it serves no one any good to natter on like ALCi does. Much like your dialogue on the First Nations issue which is still posted..., which is good and informative all by itself...you and I can discuss and debate and mutually inform one another on something like that.

ALCi and his type , however, has their mind made up about myself and a few token others since I began posting on the TYEE mid 2006. There is much more evidence of who or what ALCi represents as what he continually accuses myself of.

If you want to take the time and forensically look back, I tend to present a point, then one will notice, the evidence above, that ALCi jumps in and says and I QUOTE : " You sound like Campbell and Taylor. I guess they are the ones who cut your cheques " . PROOF???

Further down ALCi calls me a liar ie " once outed, a liar has lost his credibility" etc etc. PROOF???

Then BC Dude seems to imply "My God Gordo"...
(???)

Not even remotely asking you to pick sides DPL, but careful who one quasi-defends...I won't ask you your age, but these types like ALCi many of us have seen before...poke sticks, contribute nothing and cry wah wah when challenged ...while the rest of us respond accordingly. I would much rather discuss the " devil in the details " of any topic than have to continually deal with the psycho petty trolls under the bridge.

PS Even you, DPL, admitted an error on this topic. Perhaps review the sequence of posts and you'll see my aforementioned points.

maestro
You posted, and I reposted the claim if you want to check it, that you had a 'specific' court case in mind, remember?

When I asked you for that specific case citation you could not come up with it.

That may not meet your criteria for being untruthful; it does mine.

I prefer to deal with facts and people who aren't afraid of them and I don't call people names or behave like a 12 year old.

By all means continue as you were.

As to crying anything, that's your department too, apparently.

Nice try...ALCi

Can't get much clearer...

Time to move on.

Oh, it can get clearer all right!

Here's exactly what you wrote:

Well, the inpiration for much of what I said is actually what I have heard before.

I vividly recall a First Nations leader discussing the traditional ways ...but then seguaying into "if you think I don't like central heating and think I want to go back living in a teepee....think again etc etc." aka the BEST of both worlds.

I truly believe we are ALL EQUAL ...and consistent with that belief is the good, the bad and the ugly has NO monopoly within any given group.

My own concern is the " future shock " I see coming...our political leaders seem to be placing themselves into a vulnerable position to create the latest hip/fashionable political legacy, and cut deals with First Nations groups and create a litany of compounding precedents which may end up "de facto" giving the province back to First Nations...to the exclusion of all/most others, and unfortuantely many can't seem to grasp this.

This could be far WORSE than any/all alleged neo-con sell out many TYEE poster continually claim. In fact, many deals in the future may simply be joint First Nations /"Neo-con" ventures..where ONE side masks the OTHER "partner". I'd bet most Lefties would back off any criticism of any deal if it involved First Nations.

PS I am NOT talking in theory...I have court documents to show it via a very specific case.

The emphasis is just for you.
Now it's time to move on.

The problem with you ALCi...is even if one hand- delivered the case documents to you and one was willing to discuss their contents and then engage in discussion, you obviously would engage in the "ALCi usual".

You carry over one TYEE topic into another...this one is about a Blueberry farm and Corky's arguments, NOT First Nations.

One thing that is obvious to me is your mind is closed, you squat in the crevices of the big picture and you resort to a more than predictable ALCi modus - operandi. You never took the less -than -subtle hints on where to look....one of which was that if you ACTUALLY did and performed the numbingly -easy " due dilgence " it would be very easy to find. This is based on there aren't that many of them...hence the "search engine" search would take very little time. There are only a few levels of Court...etc. etc.

The sad fact our politicians and bureaucrats present a face to the issue which is a major deception and unfortunately is more the reality, and this case shows it.

Should I feel obligated to provide it? I may have, but unfortunately I am no longer interested, because I see the issue as a waste of time on discussing with certain TYEE types...of which you ALCi are the top of the list. However, if you insist on calling me a liar...or whatever...who cares??? ...water off a ducks back.

Knowledge is power, but its clear the fine print states knowledge always comes with a warning label...and in hands like yours its really not in the publics best interests to broadcast it.

I think you know exactly WHICH case I am talking about,ALCi, you can't be that ignorant, but you are simply trying to play ignorant...and again I have seen this side -show trick before.

Oh well..too bad, as in my view this case has major implications. In hindsight ...probably best I never mentioned it.

Baloney.

As always, a lot of bun and no meat. I'm not your gopher. If you have a point then make it - otherwise stop pretending.

The Formosa Farm is a lost backroom deal, Who's next?
Finally people are waking up Re: False Creek pp3 bs!
coyot
Suggests to start a "New Movement" and not a political party.
Why is it that WE the People have to be dictated to by a bunch of Corporations first Corrupt greedy big money boys and gals?
I guess what the NDP and Carol James are saying is that if you can't beat them join them. shhh don’t rock the boat or Canadian Steamship Lines!

All we have to do is look of the BC Legislature scandal as it's taken three years plus to bring Campbell and his criminal cartel to ???? WHY? Corruption in the highest ranks of our democratic halls of justice!
Until we get rid these vermin, as there isn't one party out of all these Liberals Conservatives Greens NDP they're all the same, in there for the buck.
But the liberals have got the crown as they have sold out the citizens of BC and for what?

CantWest where are you?

http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060916233655368

Finally people are waking up Re: False Creek pp3 bs!
coyot
Suggests to start a "New Movement" and not a political party.
Why is it that WE the People have to be dictated to by a bunch of Corporations first Corrupt greedy big money boys and gals?
I guess what the NDP and Carol James are saying is that if you can't beat them join them shhh don’t rock the boat or Canadian Steamship Lines!
All we have to do is look at the BC Legislature scandal as it's taken three years plus to bring Campbell and his criminal cartel to another stall date???? WHY?
Corruption in the highest ranks of our democratic halls of justice!
Until we get rid these vermin, parasites as there isn't one party out of all these Liberals, Conservatives, Greens, NDP they're all the same, in there for the buck.
But the fascist Campbell liberals and his band of "Ya Boss" have got the crown, as they have sold out the citizens US taxpayers of BC and for what?
Maybe a seat in/on the senate?
Lies on TV ads re: OUR HYDRO

http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060916233655368

Damn again dduubb

Ah well "ALCi the flea" trying to pole vault so as to reach up to bite the ankle..

" FLICK " .

You don't get it....WHO cares what you think?....its irrelevant what you think...... you have worked the miraculous logic of proof (?) I am a liar even if you admit you know dick/ squat. Drum roll please...

Makes sense to everyone...somewhere.

Love yer raggin' n' rantin' on the other TYEE topics...geez and I thought I was honoured with your targetted focus...ya psycho troll. Knowledge is power...I guess you'll never know, you may hurt yourself in possession of it anyway , so we'll leave it at tsk tsk.

PS Who ACTUALLY did YOUR homework in school ?

Corky, Corky, Corky, you said: "I have spent five years as a municipal politician and 20 years in various roles in provincial government or Opposition. I have never seen, however, a government of any sort invite presentations in a formal setting and then refuse, in any way, to consider (at least to reject) the validity of the information they received."

I guess your comment that you may be naive shows through in this statement of yours (although I suspect you thought it was more or less a rhetorical statement).

Governments do these kinds of appalling things (i.e., completely ignore, subvert even, the democratic process) when they think they have a vested interest in the outcome they want (and I'll bet you can guess what some of those vested interests may be).

It would probably be useful for someone to find out what that vested interest is, exactly. Then you and the other people may be able to effectively deal with this situation. I sincerely hope you can.

However, governments do this kind of thing all the time. Your story reminds me of precisely the same sort of carrying on by the federal departments of the Environment and DFO, when they bulled through the recent amendments to the Metal Mining Effluent REgulations (a reg under the Fisheries Act, but "managed" by the Environment Department).

For the past number of years, I have been a public member of the various "multistakeholder" processes to revise this regulation. I was under contract to Environment Canada, so this was a publicly sanctioned "review" process. But it failed to acknowledge any of the evidence public members presented.

To cut to the chase, a precedent-setting amendment was made that allows mining companies to use FISH-BEARING waters as tailings impoundment areas. Any lake or other fish-bearing waterbody in Canada can now be re-defined as a mine waste dump and then placed onto schedule 2 of the reg as a legal tailings impoundment area... it's no longer fish habitat. It's magic!

We public members (4 of us from across the country, including a lawyer, a biologist, a social scientist, and a geologist, with nearly 15 years experience in this issue)reviewed hundreds of public and not-so-public documents, hired three eminent aquatics ecosystems [including the Canada REsearch Council Chair for Aquatic Ecosystems, no less!] and fisheries specialists to review the "scientific" evidence accepted by government, all of which was found to be seriously inadequate (one scientist said a grade 10 student would receive a failing grade on the compensation plan accepted by DFO and Environment Canada).

Hundreds of people sent comments to EC and DFO about the change in the regulation, no national aboriginal organisations were consulted adequately, etc. The process ran roughshod over public input and the regulation passed and is now law. None of the information we presented to government was considered in any meaningful way.

So, while I completely sympathise with your disbelief that a government could abrogate its responsibility to its citizens, surely you must have come across this many times in your experience in government and public life. If you haven't, then welcome to the New Age of the Corporate World Giving Governments Their Marching Orders.

So I guess that leaves no other choice but to show these "remora" that without the people they are nothing! WE should just stop buying anything for 3 days and watch who has the power!

Remora
A little eel with a suction cup lined with teeth for a mouth. It latches onto healthy fish and sucks their blood. Perfect metaphor, he says. Anne Cameron says it this way: Remora are those little fish who live their lives following bigger fish, cleaning algae and parasites from their skin and occasionally getting bits and pieces of scraps of the prey the bigger fish catches...some remora actually attach themselves by "suckers" around their mouths and just move over the surface of, usually, sharks, getting their nourishment by eating shed skin cells, sea lice, and algae...remora are one of the least intrusive of the "parasites" in that they never actually harm their host in any way at all...but they live almost exclusively on crumbs and waste material.

Read the latest
http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/

BC Mary has already being warned twice (Why and by whom) because of her Web site and all the investigating that she has done over the years!
I've been an avid reader along with many people and the simple Truth/reason being that she has been the closest thing to the real Truth!
So if WE really have a National police force the RCMP and a real justice system who can't be bought We the People of Canada Will Back Them 100 Percent!
CanWest is one of the biggest conspirators involved in this whole corruption case "no news is good news) and it goes much deeper, as somebody has said "Follow the Money"!

Come on People Wake-Up!

BC Dude:

I'll bite, what buck are the Greens angling for?

peefer
I guess the buck stops there, as I'm very peed off with all political parties.
Why aren't the Greens along with the NDP parties bringing up this major scandal the sell off of our Publicly Owned Corporations in BC?
Where has CanWest been during all this the biggest scandal/story to ever British Columbia?
http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/
That's what was meant.
Why all the silence?

The latest update on this infamous era in the history of British Columbia and WE/US British Columbians !
Scandal after scandal after scandal gordo is a traitor to all people who believe in Democracy OUR children will rightfully blame US for allowing the sellout of their future?

Shame On Us All!

Corky - haven't you retired yet?! I remember meeting you during the dying days of your government while you were Minister of Health. I was in the company of some Native elders from the interior. You could have cared less! The cynicism was palatable.

Now, here you are fighting for what?