Jean, you are just a fool with blinders on, plundering down a road, repeating lies and mistruths told by the neo-cons. You have no credibility just as Gordon Campbell has no credibility. Go ahead, just keep making stuff up to support your position, I'm sure, just like in Nazi Germany, you will be able to convince many while you plot to fleece the public once again. (btw, how much of that debt increase is interest on what the Socreds/Liberals had already borrowed?)..

Is it a surprise that neocons lie? Lying is the very essense of their practice.

Now the biggest hurdle is to get the truth out in the mainstream printed and TV media.

It seems all they are capable of doing is regurgitating lies.

First off, I am a bit surprised that Will McMartin, or anyone for that matter, was able to obtain these Cabinet briefing binders through FOI. I thought that Cabinet documents were exempt from FOI requests, but perhaps I am confusing the provincial and federal access laws.

BC's revenues have a large cyclical component in the resources field, principally stumpage and oil and gas sales. In some ways, that makes us similar to Alberta, and especially now that oil and gas are contributing far more to the provincial treasury than forestry.

The surpluses that the NDP during its last two years in office were discounted by the Premier Campbell's BC Progress Board because they were largely dependent on cyclical energy revenues, a fair enough critique for some purposes. However, I do not recall hearing any similar warnings coming from that same Progress Board regarding BC's presents surplus of $1.9 billion ($220M official surplus, plus a one time debt paydown of $1.7B, which is really one of the most pricey political showcase jestures of all time, showing just how perfectly silly this government of Westside, "creme de la creme", professionals can be). That surplus is also largely a result of windfall oil and gas sales, to say nothing of windfall federal equalization payments.

The truth is that deception and intellectual dishonesty are part and parcel of BC financial doctrine since the days of WAC Bennett, who "burned the debt" and falsely proclaimed the province debt-free. It was successful electoral politics, but deceitful public policy, for which WAC is still revered, a sacrosanct figure whose legacy cannot be criticized. With this kind of institutionalized denial going on among millions of voters, is it any wonder that each new generation of Premiers and Finance Ministers comes to the conclusion that honesty is not the best policy?

I think this is a great story, Will.

So, what was the NDP reaction to Campbell's misleading summary of the provincial finances? Did they actually run on their fiscal record, and did they defend it in Opposition? (Not that they are actually Opposition, but, y'know.)

Excuse me Jean, the provincial debt in 2001 was 33.6 billion, not "40 odd" (the only thing odd is your math skills). Furthermore, the Liberals increased the provincial debt by $3,700 000 000.00 (that's 3.7 BILLION), despite increased provincial sales tax, and an increase in fees everywhere, and now spending like mad. Clear facts that we can now pin "tax and spend" on the Liberals.

This is not news to me. While I'm not really great on a computer, I, with a little trying found out the same info. Of course you have to want to know the truth and not want to have some lying politician spoon feed you shit. Of course the mainstream media is not likely to print the truth 'cause it wouldn't do their party of choice any good. Although I have gotten some good info out in their soundoffs. Somebody out their tell me why, we the people of this province can't can't sue and fire these shysters like we could as individuals for their calculated and distructive stewardship.

...congrats Will on an excellent article...further evidence the Fiberals cannot in any way be trusted...and that they have mismanaged the provinces finances....increasing the long-term debt substantially.

As to the 'legal question' of the last writer...there is common law on "abuse of power' and several good cases to boot as well. Section 3 of the Charter speaks of citizens 'democratic rights' which are minimumly elaborated, one could also try to rely on s. 26. Citizens, need to begin the process of constitutionally defining a more explansive set of democratic rights via the Charter....BUT ...the courts may or may not be sympathetic to that idea...???

...time for all of us to work to identify supporters and get the vote out to defeat the Fiberals.

Jean Binette writes: What a bunch of reader crap Will. (with the exception of the first commentor of course)

Shades of the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction that were not there, and the Iraqi connection to the Sept 11 attacks that did not exist. If you combine political dishonesty, and a complicit press, many citizens actually believe things to be true that are not true. After all, Lincoln did concede that although you can't fool all of the people all of the time, you could fool most of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time. Those are pretty good odds for winning an election, especially if the press is your lap dog.

There is no better time then now...to go after Campbell & the Fiberal claims that they provide "Real Leadership". There campaign struts around the province asserting that it is as a consequence of their governance that the economy is doing well.

Asking others on this forum to help me out here by providing examples of " Blundering, Dithering Leadership"

* provincial debt has increased $ ?? and now stands at $??

* due to privatization, sell-off, lease, disposal of Crown Corporations has reduced the value of public assets $ billions.

* failure to enforce the contract with Alcan has resulted in $ millions of foregone revenues to the Crown;

* announcing the twinning of the Port Mann bridge and widening of Highway No 1, estimated to cost between $2-$3 billion, without a transparent costing and environmental/social evaluation of that project or options - possibly resulting in another mega-project disaster -

etc...others .??...

Jean Binette writes: 'GO-Get-em' Peter

Great story, why is it here in views and not over in the news section?
FOI acquired budget binders deserve a news story... is there one on this site?
As a journalist,editor and publisher, I don't publish editorials containing damning information until we have done a fulsome story on it ourselves, which at minimum provide an opportunity for the accused to speak. This should be done.
Spinning means winning, but people need the truth!

I don't know whether to trust the conclusions of the writer regarding the state of the books when the BC Liberals took over from the NDP Party of BC . But assuming this information is correct, so what ?. You either belive one side or the other. All I know is that Carol James costed out platform is already in trouble regarding shifting dollars to education for hiring 1500 teachers. Where she said this money would come from so horrifies some voters that she has already changed it and is going to rob the money from some kind of contingincy fund. The NDP have not even been elected yet and they have already screwed up their own election budget. Obviously I don't trust them to run the finances of any Province or country. ( Or universe )

Jean Binette writes; I (might) trust them to clean Jimmy's toilet.

briank2, What was the debt before the NDP got in power? What was the debt when they left? You'll find that the NDP built up about 16 billion in debt with no real investment in the infrastructure of our province. Most of that debt came from operating deficit. Otherwise known as serious fiscal mismanagement. Consider the fact that the NDP had HUGE surpluses in their final two years they were running up the deficit at nearly 2 billion a year for a decade, solid. The only years they managed to get out of debt was during the peak of the tech boom, even then our economy was underperforming compared to everywhere else. If you constantly credit the Liberals success to low interest rates and high commodity prices you would have to credit the NDP’s only success to a low Canadian dollar and the largest economic boom in recent history.

I see a lot of praise about the NDP’s magnificent record during the 90's. If their record of a booming economy and prudent fiscal management is true. Why don’t the NDP run on their pristine record? Why are they trying to distance themselves from their record?

So, Peter, what you're saying is that if these people were to shaft a company or individual the courts have firm directives in recourse but if it's a politician(s)lying about something they have minimal directives and seem to prefer to sidestep it like a steaming pile of shit. Yes?

Ron Erwin writes: "But assuming this information is correct, so what ?. You either belive one side or the other." Perhaps this is the BC version of faith based politics. You just plain get down on your knees and trust someone, you don't get uppity and ask for some kind of verification.

Perhaps this explains why deception has such an enduring hold on BC politics whenever the discussion turns to the provincial finances. The faithful need to be lied to, because that is the tradition in which they have placed their faith, and woe is he would interfere with that faith.

Jean Binette writes: Precisely toothless Blonde Pitbull, and that's why BC voters will once again sidestep the (stinky) NDP.

The right-wing knuckle draggers were really bothered by this article. We cannot trust anything that the BC Liberals say including all of the Campbell supporters who are posting their lies here.

Jean Binette writes: Hi there Sue - bothered by free speech?

I'm continuously amazed that the objective journalists from any CrapWest rag won't follow up on this.

I was amused to hear that Gordon has communications staffers following the Carole James bus around town heckling her at every stop. For a Fiberal campaign that promised "no personal attacks", "an honest campaign of facts" and "a campaign based on our economic progress" - isn't that a broken promise?

Carole James also said that she wouldn't go into personal attacks and she sent a heckler to Gordon Campbell’s campaign speech. Her first broken promise, one of many to come. It's amazing thetyee.ca didn't pick up on this.

Those communications staffers heckling are largely BC Young Liberals, one the former president of the BC Young Liberals.( Same crew involved in that sleazy membership drive in Kelowna). Must be part of their apprentice training program, so that when they graduate up to be an Old BC Liberal they're well-prepared to deal in the art of lies and deception that Martin's article exposes.

When will people realize that not only are the provincial liberals fiscally incompetent but they are simply self-serving corrupt liars?
Like their evil counterparts in america our version of republicans, the provincial liberals and federal conservative parties, are comprised of individuals who possess the very worst qualities mankind has to offer. They will punish and steal from the weakest members of society to benefit themselves and their wealthy puppet-masters. They will lie at the first opportunity to deceive the gullible, without hesitation or remorse. They will instigate conflict knowing full-well that it will not be their own children who will suffer the consequences. They flout their self righteous piety while partaking in the most aggregious of perversions. They quote the bible but their actions are blasphemous.
Their way is the way of mankinds self-delusion and ultimately, if we do not defeat them, our self-destruction.

Jim , wrong again, that heckler was running as an independent candidate himself. He said it was the only way to ask a question of Mr. Campbell because the premier neither takes or answers questions from the public.

Jean Binette, did you know that a pitbull, even toothless, could break your bones? Now, back to your reference to the NDP smelling you're not really trying to say that the Liberals don't?

Here's another point I would like to make. The BC Liberals have pretty much inherited the mantle of the former BC Socred organization. Part of that is having at one's disposal some very aggressive and well-equiped crews of young men who go around smashing opponents signs.

To the naive public, it looks like random vandalism, but in fact it's a well-run attempt to cost one's opponent time and money.

Jean Binette writes: I didn't know that toothless blonde pitbull. Yes, in regard to NDP smelling, the only difference is the Liberal sweet smell of success, (compared to.)

It is interesting, jesterjogger, to look at this in the light of that huge tax cut given to the wealthy few, a totally incompetent fiscal decision as Martin suggests, a reckless mis-calculation by the Campbell government that his government hid and cowardly refused to take blame for. Instead, these con artists blamed it on the NDP and even worse made the citizens of this province suffer through the loss of vital services and the loss of jobs because of the government's complete ineptitude and refusal to take responsibility for their own actions. It is, however, not surprising, just their usual standard mode of operation. Further evidence of their swindling of OUR province of BC.

Maybe the new guy Sean Holman at the Vancouver Sun will cover this story in the Sun. Are you reading Sean?

Jean Binette writes: I don't agree with that line Budd, after all why on earth would any Socred baby want to remove an NDP sign that reminds everyone who not! to vote for?

Jean Binette , Ron Erwin, and JIm obviously fall in the "Some of the people all of the time" category.

Jean Binette, you've spent too much time in the garden if you think that smell is success...

Personally, I agree with Blonde Pitbull that those who have lost jobs and services because of this deception should bring a class action suit against this government. Peter Dimitrov makes an excellent point that as citizens we should work to include our democratic rights via the Charter in a more clearly defined way in order to hold governments more accountable to the people.

The Liberals cannot release their travel schedule due to the fact that groups, most likely unions, will organize protests against them to disrupt their campaign. I love the hypocrisy from you guys. Someone heckles the NDP, they're scum and it's the end of the world, yet when someone does the same towards the Liberals it's justified.

All of the people in the private sector who lost jobs, income and businesses should file a class action suit. They could be joined by all British Columbians who are paying for the increased cost of debt servicing from the NDP's fiscal incompetence. Oh will the class action suits be flying. Great idea.

Interesting article, but unfortunately, it is based on a partisan document. The document released by the FOI request was written by the NDP administration. Since public accounts are communicated in manner that puts the best spin on the current administration, these figures are politicized. This allows NDPers to not believe Liberal finances, and Liberal supporters to not believe NDP financial claims. It makes us all vulnerable to political rhetoric and forces us to waste time arguing without being able to agree on basic facts.

Without even trying to defend or apologize for the BC Liberals' fiscal policies, I hope that it will be easier to compare financial claims in the future, since the province recently adopted generally accepted accounting principles (the only jurisdiction in Canada, I think).

From the November 2004 newsletter of BC's Auditor:

In sum, it is difficult to compare the financial claims of different administrations until they all use generally accepted accounting principles. Hopefully this will be easier to do in the future. Until then, whom to believe will be tainted by partisan preference.

Actually, Jim I think heckling pretty well comes with the political territory. What I think is interesting is the "well-organized" heckling by the BC Young Liberals ...who is authorizing that?

Jim, read the FOI, The BC Liberals were handed a gigantic surplus by the NDP. Four years later, we have a province economically dependent on equalization payments.

JIm:

Can you explain the $8 billion dollar increase in the provincial debt since 2001? Why does CrapWest only focus on the surplus (generated by fed transfer payments) and not the excalating debt?

How can the Fibs take credit when this happened on their watch? How can they pat themselves on the back?

It's like your average joe (working class scum to the Liberals) taking out a home equity loan to buy a new car and a cruise. Is he really better off?

it only took a few days to figure this site out. about a dozen lefty wingnuts blaming all of their mundane problems on the government. what else is new? as soon as someone tries to counter their opinion they're branded a neocon fascist brownshirt canwest blah blah blah blah blah...
will mcmartin sounds very confused. he calls himself a conservative but criticizes the liberals every chance he gets, in any way he can. last night on michael smith's show him and bill tieleman were pathetic, and this article is terribly misleading. the fact that he has focussed on the outgoing surplus w/o considering the massive debt the NDP racked up is delinquent. the ndp were a complete disaster, and they haven't yet proven to me that they should be trusted with our dollars. can anyone remember mike harcourt holding up the penny in the 91 debate and promising not to borrow and spend? poor guy believed it until the public sector unions and the special interest groups got a hold of him. sorry guys, you're out to lunch, and you want it to be free. try again next time.

According to a CBC Press Release dated April 14, 2005, the City of Kitimat has launched a legal suit against the Province alleging that the Fiberal " government overstepped its authority in issuing ministerial orders that allow Alcan to ignore its obligations in the original contract that gave Alcan access to the Nechako-Kemano water resources"...said Rick Wozney, Kitimat's mayor.

"Wozney said the selloff of BC water resources is costing industry about $168 million a year".

...Please explain all you Fiberal Supporters that this is Evidence of "Real Leadership" by the Fiberals. Think for one moment, of all the good public uses those foregone monies could have been used for?

...I know this question will irk you Jean and the Ron Erwin, ..and that it may be quite a challenge to answer this without resorting to ad hominium personal attacks which regretably distract from the points you try to make on this forum..but this is a legitimate question ...begging for an intelligent answer...and if there is such an intelligent answer...perhaps voters can get a glimpse of why the Fiberals use the slogan "Real Leadership". ...and if no such answer can be provided by Campbell, of the former BC Energy Minister---then why has Alcan been allowed to get away with this --the Province has a contract with Alcan--why not enforce it, why not join Kitimat against Alcan in getting this contract enforced?????? ...

.The rebuttable presumption exists in the minds of many voters that the BC Liberals may have somehow benefited from the benefits that Alcan has made by selling electrical power from the Nechako-Kemano watershed???

I don't know the origins of the sobriquet Jean Binnette, but I wonder if it has something to do with double standards?

As for systematically wrecking an opponents signs it can impose substantial costs on a rival's campaign, especially where one has some tacit support from law enforcement in terms of a blind eye here, an open eye there. Which would depend on which party's candidates has the most police connections. Sound familiar?

No Sugar, I can't explain a 8 billion dollar increase in the provincial debt due to the fact that the Liberals have increased the debt by about 4 billion.

Also have you ever wondered why BC is all of a sudden getting more money from the Feds. Could it be that we have a respected leader who works well with other provinces and the Federal government in order to get the best possible deal for BC. That's in sharp contrast to the childish behavior of the NDP governments. The NDP put more stock into grandstanding than getting actual results and BC paid for. Increased transfer payments are a benefit of the Liberal government and to say otherwise would be wrong. Or is getting more of our money back through cooperation bad?

If these tax reductions are so bad and such an attack on the poor. Why won’t the NDP pledge to raise taxes to 2000 levels? After all higher taxes stimulate economic growth. It seems like a no brainer to me. You can increase government revenues instantly while attracting and retaining businesses that flock to high tax havens.

Moderate Man, while you're right in that the orginal paperwork is/was done by politicians and cronies this info is VERIFIED by the Auditor General an INDEPENDANT office. The thing about the change to generally accepted accounting principles was brought in by the NDP on October 31 2000; however the liberals stalled its' implemation 'til this year.

Let's not forget the fact that two different accounting systems were being used under the NDP and Libs. The Libs have moved a lot of stuff off the books that previously contrbuted to a "deficit". Spin it if you want to, you can deny it gets dark at night but it does.

Uh Jim, if NDP premiers were so bad at getting along with federal Liberals, how come they hired two of them? Your point starts and stops with Clark.

As for the tax cuts, it was actually a tax shifting as Campbell quickly realized he couldn't afford it and raised every tax except income.

Jean Binette writes: Yes Peter, "real" Leadership means a Liberal goverment, as opposed to "un-real" leadership under the NDP.

Please, you should "Get real"

Ps, have you seen Dosnanjh at work lately? - Now that's unreal for sure.

...so ponders JIm.

JIm, we got more money from the feds in the form of equalization payments. have you not been following along in other threads? equalization occurs when provinces have a revenue generating capacity below the national average. you got that JIm? We've been receiving these payments pretty much during the entire reign of campbell et al. Based on that alone, it seems to me that the economy isn't booming after all. now another thing about equalization is that it is intended for provinces to use said payments to provide a basic level of services to its citizens. but the liberals instead use it to make false claims about the economy and you guys just lap it up like a dog does toilet water.

Then JIm states (tongue in cheek):

Tell me JIm, what did you do with your tax break? I spent mine on increase MSP premiums, eye exams, and treatments for a bad back.

First off Frank, the Liberals shifted to GAAP, Generally Accepted Accounting Principals. They are accounting for government expenditures in the most widely accepted fashion. Frank, I know you love to disagree with me, but I think we can both agree that's a good thing.

We will never agree on taxation policies, but I do want to know why the NDP aren’t reversing any of the so called draconian moves by the Liberals, like the tax cuts. You would think if the moves by the Liberals are as bad as the NDP says they would have to reverse those decisions. Either they’re playing politics, lying, and will reverse these decisions if they get elected or they feel that the moves the Liberals have made are the right ones for the most part.

And Blonde Pitbull it seems the NDP had lots of "great" ideas they never got around to implementing. Maybe they need to focus less on theory and more on action. They probably had to do 14 environmental assessments on the extra paper needed in changing the Accounting principles before they could actually implement it.

I just read on cbc.ca how gordo is slamming the ndp labour record. I also listened to a program on cbc radio this afternoon about how more and more of us are working harder and harder and yet falling further behind. Well this should come as no suprise to anyone familiar with the fiberals blatantly biased pro-exploitation legislation. If gordo and his cronies suceed all there will be in our province will be millionaires and wall-mart workers. A 21rst century regression to a medaevil serf/overlord economy. Why do the liberals wish to sow the seeds of social upheaval? Because they plan on being the overlords ofcourse. You 46% that are apparently ready to flick the liberal chicken- switch on May 17 would do well to remember this. You would also do well to remember that there ain't no way theres enough room on top of the food chain for 46% of you. Maybe 5% atmost, just like in the good ol days of the dark ages.

JIm, don't take it personally, I love to argue with everyone, regardless of their politics.

The thing is with GAAP, and I support that move (by the NDP), is that long term capital projects are no longer accounted for in the same fashion. I'm not an accountant but I know there's different ways of putting the building of a bridge, which may last 40 years, on the books as opposed to the hiring of a teacher for a year.

As for why the NDP is not promising to roll everything back? Because James is trying to find a middle path. One that governs from the centre, less pendulum swings etc.

Most people on here are either very much for or against the tax cuts. I think Carole is trying to straddle the issue somewhat. Is that playing politics? Sure, somewhat, its what politicians do. But I don't believe Carole James is a liar, she won't pull a Gordon Campbell and reverse herself a week after the election on issues like contracts and BC Rail or tax cuts.

Jean Binette writes: JIm, I can see the headlines now,

"WORLD-FIRST" MARTIAN'S FILE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT CLAIMING the tort "PROMISES KEPT". (statement of claim to follow.)

Back to basics: Since when is Campbell a "highly respected" leader? Drunk driving at.16 alcohol/70 miles per hour? Selling off BC Rail when he said he wouldn`t? 1/3 of BC Hydro controlled by offshore Accenture? Torn up collective agreements? I realize their are those that would agree with that sort of thing, but respect doesn`t seem to describe what these things would earn.
The auditor general of BC did report the NDP left a surplus of 1.5 billion. Was he lying?
Regardless of political leanings, one would still seem to think that "most" don`t want their province sold out to foreign interests, and that is something that needs consideration when casting a ballot. How about the 2 million or so metric tons of raw logs that were exported from BC in 2004- wouldn`t it be better if those logs were milled by BC taxpayers before they were shipped out?
Campbell has been misleading the public for the last 4 years, and it should come as no surprise- the BC Liberals are bought and paid for by large corporations.

Forgot to add this : aren`t the BC Liberals the same as the federal Liberals?

JIm, The NDP's term of office ended May 17/01. It's actually been in the Libs ball game for most of the allotted time.But I think we can agree that it would take a fair amount of time and effort to do so. As for the NDPs' wealth of good ideas inmpleminated or not this was not under NDP control so they are not really relevant.

chuck; is that a serious question?

Good article Will, but come on you have a huge privilege to actually be a small part of the
Mainstream media. Get this message out, why did you not mention this on your Friday debate on CBC radio. A bit off topic but how about the new assessment on the DO Rav Right coalition. Yea they want public input etc , this assessment ends the day before the election. Do they think the people of Vancouver are going to fall for that. Get ready for cut and cover right after the election. Oh and everyone did you hear Kevin Falcon on CBC's BC almanac, he admitted that charging a toll on the Port Mann was a definate option in the future.

Frank, I understand the middle of the road the NDP wants to go on. My point is for 4 year the NDP and their supports have been crying bloody murder about the Liberals. Now they finally have the chance to show what they would do different and frankly it's not much. That would lead me to believe that the Liberals are very much a centrist type government and are not the neo-cons they are so often portrayed as in here, or the NDP are straight up lying to our faces right now.

You may not like what Gordon Campbell has done, but I would have a tough time believing you if you said Carole James would make a better PREMIER than Gordon Campbell (put aside personal feelings). Remember a premiers job isn’t just smiling and sound bites about how bad the other party is doing. It’s about leading a group of people towards a common goal or vision, that means making some people unhappy in order to reach the common good. Carole James seems like a nice lady and sincere, but as a premier of our province, she makes me very, very nervous. She has no experience in running a organization of this scope. From what I have seen she doesn’t seem like a true leader that can galvanize this province. You guys hate GC and it is understandable if he adversely affected you, but you can’t please all 4 million people at once. The NDP has taken the Liberal blueprint and made very minor changes. The NDP’s platform is moderate in a BC Liberal sort of way.

JIm writes:

"It’s about leading a group of people towards a common goal or vision, that means making some people unhappy in order to reach the common good."

The problem JIm, is that the "some people" he had to make unhappy are the poverty stricken and the working class.

Somehow, I think that enabling the BC elite to double their weekly orders of Laurent Perrier Champagne on the backs of the "some people" is not good government. Last I checked, the role of government is to work for all, not the elite.

Afterall, everyone does matter.

Jim, you know very well the Liberals did everything except set fire to themselves on Robson St as they railed against everything the NDP did for 10 years. Happens at every level and in every jurisdiction. I've never complained about the Liberals complaining, that's fair. Same goes for when the NDP does it.

All I've ever complained about is the editorial writers and columnists in the media.

I don't know if Gordon would call himself a neo-con. I assume he would unless he figures the term is too politically loaded now. But its the old walks like a duck, talks like a duck thing.

The Liberals, the Taxpayers Fed, the Fraser Institute, the CD Howe boys etc and the media have moved the centre of debate to the right, no question. I would like to see the pendulum swing back but that requires more than a mere provincial election victory.

Maybe Carol makes a better premier and maybe she doesn't. I don't know for sure. Its hard to separate Campbell from his policies in my head but I can say honestly I think he's a divider, not a uniter. He (and his brother) seems to relish attacking those that disagree with him. His so-called "hard decisions" always seem to fall hardest on those he disagrees with.

So yes, you can't please everybody but I like Carole's style a lot more.

Stuart I think the criticism of McMartin is misplaced. The story that the last NDP budget had a substantial surplus is not breaking news. As you can see, this piece is an adaptation of a chapter in a book that was obviously written well before today. And I am very certain that for many months now McMartin, on CBC radio, has corrected the Liberal spokeperson Kirk, or whatever CBC host, if they repeated the lie that the NDP had left the Liberals with a deficit when they left office. And he usually cited the same Audtor General's and Comptroller General's reports reported in this piece.

Saskatchewan did not have any dept until Grant Devine's Conservatives formed the government. He got a second term only because of the way the first-past-the-post system split the vote. Then it took the NDP government a short period of time to become the first province to balance the books and now Sask has become a "have" province.

The mainstream press ignores this because they didn't do it by giving away Crown Corporations and beating up the less fortunate.

If the press looked at the B.C. Liberals with the same microsope as they look at the NDP they would find lots to go after. But then the tax breaks were for the rich weren't they?

Campbell showed his stripes when he cut services in the Ministry of Children and Families. When one regional director told some school based staff that for children under 5, child protection services would remain intact, but for any child older they would do way less investigating and required a hightened level of abuse to investigate ... well ... that told me all I needed to know. Campbell is much more interested in giving his buddies tax breaks then protecting the most vulnerable citizens we have.

Jean Binette writes Peter, who writes begging for an intelligent answer...

"real leadership" means Liberal, "unreal leadership" means NDP.

Regretfully Peter, There are no real leaders on either side - (at least not yet).

Too burnt, after a long hot bike hump into my favourite home turf playground, to write in any depth, but lots of good reparte with the Lib Goon Squad here. Especially, Sugar; I think she kicks ass. :-)

When the Spinette shows up, he always does so with those he needs to help hold him up, so he can make his one line, mindless grunts and farts.

And Mel from Calgary; always enjoy what you have to say.

Jean Binette writes: Thanks for the kind words Coyote. - I was worried about you because I didn't think we were going to hear from the most stupid animal on the face of the earth again.

Thank you Pope! for returning him, (albeit without a brain.

Hey Mel, didn't all those Devine Conservatives stalwarts end up in prison for some sort of scandal involving golf machines or something?

Except Devine's minister of killing his wife, Colin Thatcher, of course.

I recall Blakeney had a billion dollar heritage fund and after Devine the provincial finances were in total disarray with a big debt hanging over it.

Jean Binette: Frankly Frank I think you must be living in some other dimension. Didn't you know Thatcher's a BC'er?

Something I haven't heard anyone talk about...the NDP changed the accounting to include Crown Corporation debt, something the Social Credit government never did. How many billions did Bill Bennett borrow under crown corporations for northeast coal? How about the Crown corporation created to hide the debt of the skytrain and expo86 and every other mega project they built? Why can't you Fiberals just try honesty? Oh, right, its not who you are or what you do...

You gotta work on your material Jean, its no good if you have to explain your joke or comment or whatever.

coyote; could you please go on long bike rides more often? your short posts are much more enjoyable than those long drawn out ramblers.
you lefties are hilarious, by the way. you act as though there was no poverty before 2001. and since health care is the only chance that the ndp has (even though they elizabeth culled it to death in the early 90's) you pretend that provincial govt's are able to make a substantial difference, which is simply nonsense, since your beloved canada health act is so restrictive that provinces have their hands severely tied. carole james needs to start being more specific if she wants to be taken seriously. her rhetoric is as painful as coyote's ramblers.

Jean Binette is a tiresome troll. Go away troll and circle jerk with your neoconazi buddies.

The historical sirjohna is dead, of course.

This one here is similarly so, between the ears. One of the living dead. He can't discuss at any serious length, because he simply doesn't have either the ideas or word power. Along with the Spinnete, he's just another one line grunter.

Duh, ya! I believe. I do. I believe. I'm okay, man. Fucks does dat can't lick ruling class boots and live on 6 bucks an hour.

Come on, come on, quick! Tell me what else to say, man. I can't thunk o' nuttin' if you guys is gonna be so slow feeding me lines.

Yawwwn. Good night all. Happy fascist hunting. I feel a really long piece about Brownshirts coming on. Stick around Spinny and Pathetic John.

Us old men need our nap, naps. :-)

If I'm such a chick magnet, where are ya all when I really need ya, huh? Huh? :-) To warm my milk and dip my toast and jam? :-)

Zzzzzz. Snooze. Maybe Gordo and I... share that private secretary of his... Hmmmmm, Lynn. Zzzzzz. ;-x

Jean Binette writes: Welcome to the thirteeth floor at Riverview my dear Coyote-Head. You should know that Sir John A's not dead. He's a Senator in Ottawa! - and naturally just looks dead.

hey sir john, what's so constrictive about the Canada Health Act? A lotta people like the Cambie Surgery Centre seem to have no trouble skirting it.

Are you saying you're against it?

You know its relatively new don't you? Are you saying everything was wine and roses in Canada before it was brought in?

Ever talk with a US bankruptcy lawyer? I have, and he tells me most of his cases are caused by medical bills. Tells me that under Bush he's never been busier down there in the deep south.

The Canadian medical system certainly isn't perfect, its open to abuse from politicians for one thing, but I don't see any concrete ideas from you guys on the right as to how to make it better. You seem to just want to tear it down and let the market "work". That's not exactly major league thinking.

But I'm always happy to hear something constructive put forward.

Jean you old red. Obviously you like the NDP idea of abolishing that home for lazy old white men that we call the senate instead of that Triple-E thing the Cons floated a few years back.

Nice to have you aboard.

The financial parts of this argument are secondary; beside the point. Corruption is more a matter of spirit than money.

Lying to people when you owe them loyalty and service is an indication of what you are at your core. Lying repeatedly, as the Liberals did over BC Rail and many other things not only says what you are, but also says a lot about the contempt in which you hold your victims.

Defending the lies and defending the liars clarifies for all who hear what you are yourselves.

Lying is a vice and a sin and a personality flaw. Lying to get a benefit is fraud, a felony.

Doing it or defending it, it's corrupt. A cheat.

What we do need in BC is a premier who is not a liar. That being said, it does eliminate a few from applying for the job. Last evening I caught a part of the documentary "The Corporation". Anyone considering voting for the BC Liberals would be wise to see this- they might get the drift of what some of us are afraid of in BC.

Anarcho: What can I say?

Bailey, being a liar is not easy - put yourself in the Premier's shoes - I'll take the Armani.

Frank: Frankly Frank, as long as we're getting rid of useless I'd abolish the NDP as well. My great great great, etc. grandfather, was King of the Franks, (ironically).

Coyote: You should see your doctor right away for a referral (mental assessment) - You need Help! - Fast!

Chuckstraight: the World is a Corporation. Get over it.

Having said that, hopefully the Prime Minister will drive a stake through his own heart tonight.

Punisher, King of the Franks? This isn't one of those Dagobert=Plantard things is it? You're not calling up Thatcher's son to help you with a coup in Paris?

At least the NDP guys in parliament were voted in and have a constituency, the senate wasn't and doesn't.

As for PM the PM, overall, what are the differences between the BC Rail deal and the Sponsorship scandal? Besides that one is being thoroughly investigated in public and the other is being handled quietly behind the scenes?

There. A few zzzs and a new day, a cuppa coffee, and a reivigorated body and mind. I'm up to kick some Brownshirt butt.

Oops. Bread day. We're outta bread. I gotta do a little kneading and punching. It's like working a punching bag-, a good way to work off all that excess aggression. I'll go at it like I'm whacking Brownshirts. :-)

Catch ya's later.

The Punisher? Speaking of referrals and needing help. This guy clearly has a St. Michael The Archangel complex.

Other than that, these guys have got nothing really worth responding to.

There are over 50 million people in the US of A without health care benefits. Aren't market forces great? Steven Harper will get Canada on board with private health care as fast as he can, with the likes of Gordo & Co following him with their tongues hanging out. Campbell is a Conservative not a Liberal. He got money out of Martin due to election grandstanding and vote buying, not due to good repoire as JIm would like to think. Gordo is doing just that now. Don't expect him to keep all of his promises, and don't expect anything in the next three years either. These will be reserved for taking away from all working class and small business owners.

I, for one, blame Gordo for my skyrocketing cynicism. He rates right up there with Mary Hart's voice.

JIm posted something yesterday that I wanted to ask about:

"Also have you ever wondered why BC is all of a sudden getting more money from the Feds. Could it be that we have a respected leader who works well with other provinces and the Federal government in order to get the best possible deal for BC. That's in sharp contrast to the childish behavior of the NDP governments. The NDP put more stock into grandstanding than getting actual results and BC paid for. Increased transfer payments are a benefit of the Liberal government and to say otherwise would be wrong. Or is getting more of our money back through cooperation bad?"

JIm, ... isn't this pitch you're making just one more variation in the Liberal Party's never ending shell game? What you are doing here is claiming that with Liberals in Victoria and Liberals in Ottawa, BC will get a better deal. For example, the Federal Govt will finally come through with funding for an expanded Vancouver Convention Centre after David Anderson spent years refusing to do so as part of his personal war with Glen Clark, ... now the President of the Jim Pattison Group, presumably a much more accurate reflection of Clark's true state of knowledge of business and economics than anything one finds in fake columns by miKCE Palmer or Vaughn Smyth.

So according to you, JIm, BC voters are better off if they vote Liberal provincially because that way BC can successfully "kiss ass" in Ottawa and get some more cash. That is what you're saying, isn't it? But that assumes that there is in fact a close relationship between the BC and Federal Liberal Parties. And I have no problem accepting that pitch so far.

But then the Liberals, both Federal and Provincial, start turning this thing around and denying that there is any relationship at all between the two parties on those matters where it doesn't suit their purposes, like the Sponsorship Scandal for example, which Campbell doesn't want to take any of the fall for, or the BC Govt's Extreme Questionnaires for handicapped welface recipients, which the mighty Federal Liberals and their former NDP star Ujjal Dosanjh don't want to be linked to.

So it seems to depend on whether it's an odd or even numbered day, which Liberal is doing the talking, and what they figure the listener wants to hear. There either is, ... or there is not, ... a close relationship between the BC and Federal Liberals.

Which way do you call it JIm? Is there a close relationship between the BC and Federal Liberals, or not? And if there isn't, why was Dave Basi working so very god damn hard for federal Liberal leadership contender Paul Martin out of his office in the BC Legislative Bldgs while departed Fin Min Gary Collins had him on the provincial payroll, over the vigorous objections of Campbell's inner circle?

No, no you missed the whole point. He wants you to bow before your king, Frank.

Isn't that right, TP?

Now that the Coyote's back on his bicycle. Would someone PLEASE run him over.

Frank, You gotta work on your material Framk, its no good if you have to explain your joke or comment or whatever.

I thought I just badmouthed the Prime Minister.

Budd Campbell:

While it's true that Glen probsbly gets to proudly sit on Jimmy's toilet - it's unclear as to whether or not he has to clean it.

"President of the Jim Pattison Group"? - Hardly.

punisher, I thought you called Colin Thatcher a BC'er? A comment I didn't "get", sorry

Thatcher lives in an institution in Matsqui, I believe. I would like to see Gordo stay there as well.

Actually it's Mission. - and he's probably playing golf today ...

Jean Binette writes: Yay! punisher.

In regards to the article, Will's chapter in Liberalized is 52 pages, so it adds a lot more to what is printed here.

Then again Frank, you might review his not all ridings are created equal piece.

He was completely wrong in that case and proved to be entirely out of step with the times and Canada's Chief Justice Beverly.

So why trust what he has to say? he still hasn't come clean on that misleading (poorly researched) article.

Jean, trust? You're voting Campbell, a guy who has lied constantly and driven drunk around Maui. A guy who even now claims BC Rail is one of the promises he kept.

McMartin knows the numbers better than pretty much anyone. His chapter is a good read.

As for the bit about ridings, are you claiming that all ridings are equal? They aren't. Population numbers are not constant.

Bailey: I'm sorry I missed you before. I must have forgot to flush.

Jean Binette writes: So how do you know who I'm voting for Frank? - Personally, I get drunk every time I go to Maui.

I thought you had mentioned somewhere you were backing GC

A very silly person calling themselves The punisher said today that:

"While it's true that Glen probsbly gets to proudly sit on Jimmy's toilet - it's unclear as to whether or not he has to clean it.

"President of the Jim Pattison Group"? - Hardly."

Glen Clark is indeed the President of the Jim Pattison Group. Check 24 Hours masthead if you don't believe me, ... after all, why do you think the Liberals are so furious about that publication?

Don't have a cow Budd. Better yet why not check it out directly from the horses mouth.

jimpattison.com/jp_group/jp_corp_pm.htm

He did. I remember him stating it categorically. He's such a no-mind.

Why should we be at all suprised that Campbell spun the true $$$? His entire life is based on deception: Urban Myth - Maui Love Child, Urban Myth - Not the first time "with" Carol Taylor, Urban Myth - Exam marks "adjusted" in high school.

Liberal Math (Arithmetic, according to Bruce) is simple: Screw 49% of the voters, give what you took to the other 51% and wait for the vote!

Gee jwinfrey. By all accounts that would run into deficit which seems more like NDP math.

A silly fellow calling himself The punisher posted this one:

Don't have a cow Budd. Better yet why not check it out directly from the horses mouth.

jimpattison.com/jp_group/jp_corp_pm.htm

I did check out that site and it lists the directors but not the officers. So what is Glen Clark's position if not President as on the 24 Hours masthead???

Well good folks it's been a slice as usual, but I have to leave you for a bit, I have a multi-million dollar luncheon to attend.

TOODALOO,

The Punisher

Just for you Budd. - because obviously you're the only guy in the country who doesn't know what Jimmy looks like, or Glen (he's the one with the big nose).

click on the link my friend.

jimpattison.com/jp_group/jp_corp_pm.htm

regards,

The Punisher

Well Punisher, I have to admit you're right after all. Jim Pattison retains the Presidency of the Jim Pattison Group of Companies.

Meanwhile, former BC Premier Glen Clark is the President of Vancouver 24 Hours

http://www.jimpattison.com/medi/me_24__exec.htm

BTW, Punisher, try not to drink too many Premier sized martinis at your multi-million dollar business lunch, ... and don't charge them all to the Canadian taxpayer either!

Why not? - the Premier's driving!

The punisher: "Why not? - the Premier's driving!"

I see your concern for public safety is exceeded only by your appetite for tax subsidized food and drink.

Over lunch, could you ask the Premier who he has picked to ghost author his memoirs after the election is over? I was wondering if there has been any brainstorming around a working title? Here are a couple of suggestions:

Point Grey Rules - The Gordon Campbell Story

A Privatizer in Hog Heaven - The 77 seat Premiership of Gordon M. Campbell

Hey Budd! Are you kidding? Me of course, and the title will be The 79 seat ....

Ps, supposedly he only does Shirley Temple's these days. (Personally, I think he's a bit of a "girly" man!)

Dearpremier.ca
you have about the same approach as Campbell
and just as sickening.
thanks Big Ed

The main stream media has mandates and is blatant with censorship etc, we all know CKNW and others will never criticize large corporations and will always cheerlead the right wing party. Just look at the last election , how is a porch reno more newsworthy than a convicted Felon premier and a raid at the legislator, its all good news for Gordo.Allot of things are going
On just under the radar, there is a blackout on bad news at least for the next month.

Another example is in New Westminster where they are now bulldozing the beloved St.Mary's Hospital, the local CanWest community paper does not even mention it. WE SHOULD ALL STAND OUT ON QUEEN STREET AND POINT TO THE DESTRUCTION GOING ON.

So my point is this, the mainstream media audience is falling, there is a movement and more folks are coming to independent media . More and more are coming to wonderful news sources like the Tyee for their news and interaction. Some folks are hear for one thing and that is to stifle debate and devalue the media sources, you see when newcomers visit the site and see the kind of back and forth ego crap and cheap shots you devalue the tyee and what it is trying to do.
PLEASE DEBATE FOLKS, BE POLITE AND RESPOND TO ALTERNATIVE Opinions IF YOU LIKE, but at the end of the day you will never get folks to agree on every issue, stop trying to prove your right and let others get you side tracked. Try to get as many on side with you AND MOVE IT FORWARD WITH ACTION. Lets make the tyee a toolkit for change not a backroom ally where we hide in the shadows and call each other names.
Do you want the tyee to be a big tent with divers opinions or a outhouse full of graffiti and
Other things.
Now call to action-- This election can be won by the left if we get busy.
Some ideas, 1) simply put up a sign, a huge one , talk to friends and neighbors.
There is a army of folks on the ground for the NDP compared to the Fiberals.
2) Put up some cash, a little if you can.
3) Go to rallies etc,
4) Disrupt Gordo's speeches, I love the retired BC Rail worker in Kamloops who just showed up and disrupted Gordo's good news speech. Gordo now has the nick name bubble boy. One guy got all that media attention. Lets get Gordo the Gordo welcome mat out their.

Spam the talk shows, email call in etc.
Get busy. Any new ideas to bring forward.

In short don't feed bread to the dogs,

and definetly keep them away from the medicine cabinet,

What this delusional "wannabe" really means is, he's out for a Big Mac.

It's all relative Coyote, McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar operation :)

uh.. why is it that

Stuart says:

"In short don't feed bread to the dogs,"

And then The punisher finishes Start's sentence with:

"and definetly keep them away from the medicine cabinet,"...? Did you just put a coma instead of a period and then The Punisher filled the second part in for you?

Bread makes them gaseous! Like Stuart

Dear ouhite, Don't pay him too much mind. Quite a lot of these guys are just Jean Binette pretending there are other humans who feel the same way he does.

With practice you can learn to spot them by their style and the fact that they all think their opinions should be accepted by all even though they don't really want to support them with evidence or even thought.

Basically, if they say something outrageous, then somebody disproves it, and then they start mocking the proof or the poster without actually offering any counter argument, that's probably one of his many alter egos.

Dear ouhite,

Don't pay Bailey any mind. He's the thirteenth floor Riverview patient (escapee) who constantly complains about "commies" coming out of the woodwork.

Jean Binette writes: I on the other hand am the innocent person who was set upon by a pack of wild ravenous coyote's when I asked a simple question long ago - Who's Carole James?

Binette, Carole James is a leader who hasn't lied to us. I have to wonder if Gordo has ever expressed a true thought as a politician.>p< Here it's a fib about NDP government finances. In the last election it was "I will not tear up contracts", I will not sell off BC Rail, I will not privatize this, I will not close schools, I will not close hospitals, I will respect our First Nations, I will represent all British Columbians, it was only one or two drinks etc., etc., etc.>p<

Hey, maybe you're question is valid Binette because there is certainly no doubt who (or what) Gordon Campbell is.

allan, you forgot most open government in Canada and that government would not be in your face so much. As we all know from those whose land a mining company has coveted these last few years, the Liberals are all about steamrolling you and not even having the decency to grant your FOI request as to why it happened.

What about her instant flip-flop on Rollie Keith?

What was wrong with that? Nobody should create policy in front of a camera. She stood by her candidate until she had the time that day to investigate for herself, get the information straight from the horse's mouth. If that's a flip-flop then Campbell is pulling one every day of this campaign since he says he doesn't know where he's going to be ahead of time.

What's wrong is she couldn't have investigated much, because if she had, she would have instantly realized that Penner's attack was malicious and totally unwarranted.

Penner branded Rollie Keith a war criminal and the Premier supported him - Carlole James turned her back and walked away.

Look at the facts why don't you? Penner wasn't even in Kosovo and there he is the expert, calling Rollie Keith a liar.

The wrong person resigned. Penner should be crucified. (in my view)

What's wrong is she couldn't have investigated much, because if she had, she would have instantly realized that Penner's attack was malicious and totally unwarranted.

Penner branded Rollie Keith a war criminal and the Premier supported him - Carlole James turned her back and walked away.

Look at the facts why don't you? Penner wasn't even in Kosovo and there he is the expert, calling Rollie Keith a liar.

The wrong person resigned. Penner should be crucified. (in my view)

Jean Binette

Penner called Keith a war criminal and Campbell backed him up?

To win, Judge Penner (acting), branded Keith as a Milosovic sympathizer. - Synonymous with war criminal, and presumably undesirable. I have my doubts, obviously the Premier doesn't.

So what you're saying then is you think Keith should have stayed in and James support him?

Carol James' decision to cut Mr. Keith loose was the only possible one after he tendered his resignation, regardless of the facts of the case.

As we've all noticed, the Canadian press uses the factual truth merely as a jumping off place, and makes their stories fit their needs after that. Before this was finished, Mr Keiths testimony under oath in a court of law, in response to specific questions posed by adversarial counsel, would surely have been cast as though he himself were the criminal, worse than Milosovic. I estimate the time to demonization at around six days.

Absolutely regardless of the facts.

The NDP has experience of this kind of falsified smear campaign. Need I mention fast ferries or Glen Clark's back porch renovation? Or the fake deficit? The whole campaign would have been controlled from that point forward by the Aspers and nobody would have been able to do one blind thing about it. Mr Keith would have been crucified, his family trashed, his reputation destroyed, all for partisan gain.

The speed with which Ms. James conducted this analysis, took the right decision and acted, gives me hope that she is both smart enough and strong enough to pull this off.

He was crucified, and his reputation was maliciously destroyed all for partisan gain by (Judge) Penner, and obviously you believe it (the media). - Carole James did not "cut him loose", he quit, and as anyone can see from the numbers below Milosevic enjoys a far more popular rating than Carole James.

Milosevic’s caustic defense strategy is unlikely to win him an acquittal, but it isn’t aimed at the court of law in The Hague. His audience is the court of public opinion back home in Serbia, where the trial is a top-rated TV show and Milosevic’s standing continues to rise.

Opinion polls have reported that 75 percent of Serbs do not feel that Milosevic is getting a fair trial, and 67 percent think that he is not responsible for any war crimes. “Sloba Hero!” graffiti is omnipresent on Belgrade buses and buildings. Last December, he easily won a seat in the Serbian parliament in a national election.

Go there yourself, and see how and why Carole James failed Rollie Keith. If I would have been in her place, I would have blasted Penner out of his high boots.

Clearly you don't have a leader.

Regards
The Punisher

maknews.com/html/articles/savich/savich7.html

maknews.com/html/articles/savich/savich6.html

So, you're saying you admire Milosevic?

I suppose he too could have chosen to be called 'punisher'. The people who supported him when mass graves were being dug and rape camps established likely still support him now. More kindred spirits for you to admire.

Perhaps in your next incarnation you could express your admiration. Call yourself "sloba hero' in his honor.

However, we were talking about political strategies in the BC election. If you had blasted anybody out of their boots you would have spent the next three weeks talking about why it's so unfair of them all to be lying about you and calling you such horrible names. You would have been playing right into their trap.

Well Bailey, - You're living proof that you can't fix stupid.

Ah, yer mother eats army boots.

No, wait! I can make a better point than that!

ALL yer mothers wear army boots.

And if those arguments don't convince you...

If I had a dog looked like you I'd shave his butt and make him walk backward.

And, for a final persuasive coup...You stink!

See, we can have this conversation on any level you choose. Why don't you just pick one name and stick to it? You sometimes forget to be so juvenile and put forward an actual thought. You begin at those moments to be somewhat interesting. At least you're contributing to the conversation.

You don't have to resort to insults just because someone who disagrees with you isn't persuaded. You can counter with new arguments. It's much cleverer, and way more fun that way.

You're one tough hombre Bailey, if I'm ever in a street fight i want you beside me >>>

There! you are Frank, - all done with the ethnic cleansing of Bountiful?

Sorry punishee, didn't know you were a defender of a group claiming no more sex with old men and girls under 18

By the way Frank, Bailey is on your side. Clearly he doesn't believe in a right to a fair trial either.

You don't believe in having a trial at all when it comes to child abuse.

Jean Binette writes: - That's just silly Frank, the punisher advocates calling the police in the case of Bountiful, and you know it.

Bailey I'm not here for "fun".

Don't you find it ironic that I am the only person at the Tyeee, defending Rollie Keith, while you defend Penner and the Premier?

If Punisher advocates an investigation, as I do, let him say so. Without an investigation first how can there be talk of a trial.

Great article, as usual there is always some out there that can not accept the facts, the freedom of Information act does have strict criteria to have it released, and we are fortunate that it was open before the election, Keep the truth coming!!!

a personal note to coyote, you are a pottymouth dork, wish the Calgary game wardens could get you like the one they got last week.
it would save us from garbage

My goodness, one's vocabulary is a clear indicator of their education level and character.
If your upset over someone's comments try to inject your opinion and open debate , when this happens the right loses every time. The sad part is that your letting a few distracters devalue a valuable media source, moderate folks visiting Tyee will run back to CanWest and others promoting the status quo. In short stop crapping in your own bed, don't respond to stupid comments done by distracters. As far as the whole Milosevic thing , I think the NDP and Rollie had no choice, Rollie made the mistake of telling the truth in an election campaign. The whole election will be over in less than one month, this is hardly enough time to explain the history of the Balkans and what Rollie really meant. Not to mention it will give the Fiberals allot of mud to sling and distract from local issues. Barry Penner is the real parasite and should be punished for this, there is allot of hatred towards him and well deserved.

1) First the media makes Rollie a villain and drives the NDP into pushing him out.
2) Once out they now interview Rollie and paint him as a wonderful victim and make the
NDP look awful . The media is doing a great job. Report from the front.....

Even Christy Clarke predicted on CBC last Friday that the NDP may win 20-35 seats this time around. Not bad , we just need a little push, maybe channel some energy folks and we can get to 40. GET MAD AND GET BUSY, WINNING IS THE BEST REVENGE, COME ON THE TYEE MAY 18 AND WE WILL MAKE THEM EAT CAKE ALL DAY LONG.

clearly, you missed the whole story, but that's nothing new.

Jean Binette writes:

Tyee readers should turn to page a14 of this morning's province newspaper to find out who Carole James turned her back on after he was viciously attacked by Judge Barry Penner (acting) - while our premier stood on the sidelines and watched.

Jean Binette writes: and if you are still not convinced of the facts go here.

theprogress.com/

Dear Jean Binette; Two questions for you.

-Why do you habitually ignore what went before in any particular thread when making new arguments? It's confusing when you remake a point which has been disproved or explained with evidence above. You do that a lot. I can't tell if you don't care about truth, or just don't believe in it. Many Liberals do seem to think that being believed in a lie is the same as telling the truth.

-One of your choices of names is dearpremier.ca. Are you hinting that you are actually the premier of something, or should be premier, or that you're passing on your posts to him, or what? If Jean Binette is an alias, which seems clear, are you claiming special status in your real life? Must be hard changing identities since phone booths stopped having doors.

This whole discussion has become really unwell. Please, guys, don't rise to the bait. Ignore the trolls and they will go away.

I defer to the cool voice of moderate reason. Anne, my apologies.

I didn't mean you, Bailey. You are giving reasoned arguments in that last posting. I mean the people who have descended into name-calling back at the trolls, though some of it is funny, most of it isn't, and it takes up a lot of space.

Lets review the rules on election spending...oh wait...too late...
I am sure it was just an innocent NDP mistake.
Do you have a name for that?

So you equate putting up plastic bags on sticks with defrauding the small cities of British Columbia and misappropriating public funds and demanding 'donations' for access to Ministers so you can ask them to do their jobs? The jobs we already pay them to do? The duties they swore an oath to perform so help them God?

Yeah, I see that. Those bastards with their plastic signs should be punished. Maybe you can find a way to tear up their contracts and fire them all. A few years trying to feed their kids on social assistance would really teach these guys not to mess with Liberals.