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Jury Links Man's Death to Bed Shortage

Coroner’s report, involving a Port Alberni hospital where cuts roused protest, is due May 7.

By Richard Warnica, 21 Apr 2005, TheTyee.ca

Colin Hansen

The coroner's report into the death of a Vancouver Island man could re-ignite a fierce debate over hospital bed closures when it is released next month, just 10 days before the provincial election.

The jury investigating the death of Gordon Parker recommended to the Vancouver Island Health authority that more beds be opened at the West Coast General Hospital in Port Alberni. Nine of the hospital's 39 beds were closed by the authority in 2003 to make up for a budget shortfall.

That recommendation, along with several others, was included in the jury's verdict released on April 7. But it's the coroner's report, to be issued May 7, that could prove politically explosive.

Hospital 'needs more beds'

Parker was treated at West Coast General on June 5, 2004 for a potentially lethal level of alcohol in his blood before being released to the RCMP where he was booked for public drunkenness and tossed in jail.

Given that the Coroner's verdict recommended that "West Coast General Hospital needs more beds" the report could show that Parker should have been kept in hospital for observation and that he was released, at least in part, because of a bed shortage.

Neither the health authority nor the ministry of health would comment on the case before the full report is issued. And no one at the hospital would say whether Parker was released because of a lack of beds.

But the bed closures have meant that doctors aren't always keeping patients as long as they'd like, according to Dr. Curt Smecher, West Coast General's Chief of Staff.

"The problem is not in the black and white cases. Patients aren't being sent home when it's clear they need treatment," he said. "Where we run into problems is the grey area where you'd like to keep someone for treatment, but you aren't sure… Not having beds available does affect your judgment" on whether to admit non-critical cases.

'Stretchers in hallways'

West Coast General opened in September 2001. Two years later, over massive local protest, the Vancouver Island Health Authority announced they were closing 19 critical care beds at the facility, nine of them permanently.

In the immediate aftermath of the closures, patients were cramped together in hallways and ambulatory units, according to Jack McLeman, a member of the Save Our Services coalition, a local group lobbying for the beds to be restored.

"Patients were put in stretchers in hallways near people with open wounds and barfing and all that," McLeman said.

Then Minister of Health Colin Hansen defended the bed closures at the time, blaming them on "construction deficiencies" in the hospital, which was built under the previous NDP government. He called it "a big mistake" to measure "access to health care by counting the number of beds" because many procedures require less patient time in hospital than previously.

As the big city media, including the Victoria Times Colonist and the Vancouver Sun picked up the story, the closures became a public relations disaster for the government.

Ten of the 19 beds were reopened, but the staff levels remained the same.

First hour after stroke crucial

Since then the hospital has been constantly overcrowded and understaffed according to Dr. Smecher. With nurses and doctors working too many hours, and seeing too many patients, Smecher said that only "time, luck and professionalism" are keeping serious accidents from occurring. Whether or not a serious accident occurred in Parker's case is difficult to tell because even if doctors had kept him under observation, there's no guarantee he would have survived the stroke, according to Dr. Dan Straathof, the forensic pathologist who performed Parker's autopsy.

But according to one heart and stroke expert who spoke to The Tyee, the odds of recovering from stroke increase dramatically with prompt treatment. The chances of having complete recovery are good in the first hour, then drop off quickly, so that by four to eight hours there may be no benefit at all.

What makes things tricky in Parker's case is that the symptoms of stroke could be mistaken for those of a drunken stupor, according to Straathof.

A stroke happens when a blood vessel bursts in the brain. The severity of the stroke is measured by how big the burst, or hemorrhage, is. Parker's stroke was severe enough to eventually be fatal, but in the immediate aftermath of the incident, Parker's symptoms, like loss of speech and balance, might not have looked that different from the ones people had come to expect from a chronic drunk.

Paramedics left man in jail

Parker was conscious when the hospital released him to police, according to Staff Sergeant Lee Omilusik of the Port Alberni RCMP, but his blood alcohol level was still off the charts. So when he fell and struck his head later that night, paramedics decided not to take him back to hospital.

When he eventually did end up back at the West Coast General, after falling again a couple of hours later, doctors discovered that he wasn't just drunk, he had suffered a stroke. He was then airlifted to Victoria and pronounced dead the next morning.

Whether or not Parker could have been saved by staying in hospital, and whether the decision to release him was based on a lack of beds won't be known until the coroner's report is released next month. And until then, no one, from the health authority to the Ministry to the coroner herself is talking.

But though Smecher wouldn't comment on Parker's case specifically he had no qualms about airing his opinion on the effect of the bed closures.

"We're continually over census," he said. "I don't think the previous government built a hospital with too many beds."

Richard Warnica is on staff at The Tyee.  [Tyee]

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  • Coyote

    7 years ago

    Comments on "Jury Links Man's Death to Bed Shortage"

    Catch that look on Hansen's face. One can only speculate why he holds his mouth like that. Conditioned reflex from so much time spent under the corporate and cabinet tables.

    That tight little O that he displays in nearly every photo op, fair screams anal retention.

  • sirjohna

    7 years ago

    as expected the bcfed is pumping up the bubble-making machine and we can expect much more of this yellow sensationalism from the tyee as the union's day of doom gets ever closer. of course health care was in wonderful shape when gordo took over b/c the ndp did a smashing job of it.
    brilliant comment coyote. keep 'em coming!

  • Coyote

    7 years ago

    You know that sphincter of his is just about sucked right up inside himself.

  • JIm

    7 years ago

    What are you talking about sirjohna, thetyee.ca is a morally superior media outlet that would never let their financial backers control what they write and what articles they post.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    sirjohna, BCfed didn't make this up.It happened. If positions were reversed this would be front page news on the mainstream media instead of here.Bet you it will barely makes the news print or TV. Don't you think that the people of this province deserve to know this while they judge who to vote for? Before you answer think if it was someone you knew and loved. Think about this: does the health care system seem to be "firing on all cyclinders" as promised?

  • Coyote

    7 years ago

    A timely perspective on the reality of the hospiral cuts by the Campbellite Neocons, but one generally well enough known, street level, around the province anyway. (Another aspect of which was the announcement this morning on CBC, that the HEU has been given the go-ahead to take their case on the legality of the trashing of hospital worker's contracts to the Supreme Court of Canada. If worker's contracts are not held legal over State diktat in this case, best we might as well know where this assumed democratic right stands in reality-, just to dispense with any further illusions on this score, if for no other reason.)

    While this is all occurring, of course, there is The People's Choice, Carole James, out on the hustings conceding that the NDP has been too pro-worker in the past, and insufficiently fair to business. Pardon my upchuck. What complete and utter shite from the mouth of this "nice, fair and balanced lady."

    Sorry Carole, there goes one more nail in the coffin of my vote for you. At this point, I will retreat to a kind of fair and balanced position myself, as a response to your betrayal: I will still vote for you, but I will not otherwise lift a finger to work for your election.

    There's a price to this move to the right by the NDP, and it's important that be communicated to you and the NDP backroom.

    And my vote which I am still prepared to put for you is NOT a sacrosanct committment. Depending on your positions and pronouncements to the end here now, I am still free to withdraw it, if I yet choose. (I would rather not vote at all, than to agree to assist your ass getting into the government's seats, just so you can basically continue with it's pro-ruling class programme view of the world.)

    And by the by, I knew your mother quite well at one time, and respected her. I also knew you when you were about, ohhh, eight years old. It will take more than that though, darlin'.

  • sirjohna

    7 years ago

    sorry jim; you're right. what was i thinking?
    i must be turning into a neo-con fascist brownshirt capitalist pig. better head out to the west coast to find myself.

  • deeby

    7 years ago

    sirjohna, sober up.

    Since you're seeing bubbles you're probably suffering from the same malady as your namesake, Canada's first and most famous juice-bag.

    Have some more gin....

  • chuckstraight

    7 years ago

    A similiar kind of thing happened in Nelson where a fellow couldn`t get the kind of treatment at the local hospital in Nelson, so was shipped off to Trail, and died. Wasn`t the New Era supposed to be medical treatment available where we lived?

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    Chuck, you read it incorrectly, the "we" in that line meant where Campbell lived.

    As expected Can-West is pumping up the bubble-machine and we can expect to see more of their blatant cheerleading for GC and friends. Its nice to have an alternative.

  • jesterjogger

    7 years ago

    After my dour entry on the Harper story I'd just like to change the tone a bit to show csis that I'm not some fanatical extremist.
    So here goes:
    GORDO LIED, PEOPLE DIED
    GORDO LIED, PEOPLE DIED
    GORDO LIED, PEOPLE DIED

    Get with the program denizens of the "golden decade". Who has any money to pay living wages or provide adequate healthcare to our citizens if martha piper and her ilk are to receive $700,000 golden parachutes?
    Don't worry though, I thought I heard her say that we could all eat cake!?!

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    DEJA-VU! COYOTE - Has anybody slapped that gnat-sized pee-pee of yours yet?

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    Jean Binette writes: "OH! how I miss the fiesty Pimpmaster"

  • lynn

    7 years ago

    The above two comments by the punisher and dear premier are the highest level of debate to be expected from these fine representatives and loyal supporters of the BC Liberals, due to the "no debate", no ability to think, political territory they were born into. They are to be pitied, poor wretches.

  • Coyote

    7 years ago

    "i must be turning into a neo-con fascist brownshirt..." admits sirjohna

    In front of everyone here, to witness it.

    Towards fascism is the drift occurring here, going on all along the political spectrum, with the Neocon Alliance that goes by the misnomer of Liberal Party here in BC-, Paul Martin and Harper respectively for the Liberals and Cons federally, being the cutting edge of that political seismic shift underway.

    As their coatholders, the NDP is carving out a more pathetic role for itself, as their enablers.

    Those like Spinette, the megalomaniac Achangel wannabe, "Punisher", and the no less pathetic sirgone-over-the-edge, are the more lumpen mentality Sturmabteilung goon squad.

  • Coyote

    7 years ago

    My friend, Lynn kicks ass. :-) I tease ya darlin, but I think you are one outstanding lady-, with marracas. :-)

  • lynn

    7 years ago

    On my grocery run today heard Carole James's assertion on CBC radio that she felt the NDP had not been balanced enough towards business in the past and she would remedy that. What a disappointment, a betrayal in Coyote's words. Business really has become the spoiled child of the political family, placated at the expense of all others. Not only that, it's a boring spoiled child that will demand more and more and more....

    Aren't there enough political parties already representing the interests of business? Talk about the dangers of excess weight around the middle.

    No guts, no glory. Not today anyway.

  • lynn

    7 years ago

    And thanks Coyote.:-)

  • Extinct

    7 years ago

    I have never had any government in my whole life affect the amount of money that leaves my wallet. Oh sure there are taxes, MSP premiums, cpp, wcb contributions, EI premiums, etc. These are taken off of your pay cheque before you even see it. You just notice a few dollars less on the bottom line when premiums go up here or there. But at least you can plan a budget for the next two weeks based on this bottom line. But what Gordy (Gin) Campble has done is ripped more dollar out of that bottom line. Lets see, renew my drivers license - $75.00, up from $35.00; want to go for a hike - $2.00 for parking, up from $0.00; get your eyes checked - $??.??, up from $0.00; some medical proceedures that used to be covered by MSP - $??.??, up from $0.00; medications that used to be covered by Pharmacare - $??.??, up from $0.00; ETC. ETC ETC. There goes your tax cut of $20.00 per month. Unless of course you have a six figure income. Then it won't affect your tax cut at all because it is in the thousands of dollars.

  • crh

    7 years ago

    The Liberal is spending more on health care than ever before...

    How can this be? More money, less service?

    Ooops, more service. Lip service.

    Just like k-12 education. More money, less service. Ooops, more lip service

    You would think they could come up with better spin.

    Stupid is as Stupid does.

  • Chris H

    7 years ago

    No one expected the BC Liberals to fix all the challenges in health care. However, people didn't expect them to be dishonest about the changes they did make.

    It is quite evident that the BC Liberals have taken a page from the Republicans down South. Just lie and then shout out the opposition. Hey, it works doesn't it. Atleast the condescending defenders of Gordon Campbell (Jean Binette, JIm, sirjohna, and The punisher) seem to think it does.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Gee, how can you spend more on health care and get less? 18% raises for management plus MORE management; 23% raises for nursing and then FIRE some.15% paycut for HEU AFTER firing 8,000. On the most part the public has heard about the overloading, yes, but until they are standing in a hallway with their sick or injured loved one it doesn't sink in. The Campbellites are prone to saying "Run it like a business!" My answer to them is "This isn't a 5 star hotel it just costs more or as much" The patients(customers) bleed,puke,and ooze. The majority in the illness category are repeat customers and unlike a business that caters to the public, hospitals have little chance of 100% survival (happy customer)rate.While up to date equipment is a definite neccesity it is NOT a machine that does your "care". Hospitals are labour intensive sites at best and while SOME management is obviously a given ask the patients if they wanted more "managers" or more "staff". The Gov't says that alot of cases need less hospital bed time than the Previous gov'ts had allowed, generally this can be true BUT every patient who returns to the ER with infections/complications cost the system thousands a day in "extra" costs- bed, meds, CT's, MRI's to name a few- so is it such a wise course of action?

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    Jean Binette writes:

    Only one problem with your comments Chris H. I don't support Gordon Campbell, I support the BC Liberals. (Barry Penner is an added exception. - His remarks about his opponent as recorded in this morning's Province were malicious and totally unwarranted.)

  • Sue Clark

    7 years ago

    The BC Liberals have no intention of putting money back into social programs. They are telling us that they have improved the economy when, in fact, they have shrunk the economy by selling off so many jobs to foreign corporations. Now they are telling us that they are going to use the money from the improved economy to fund social programs.

    This is NOT what is going to happen!

    What will happen is that they will give another tax cut to the weathy and continue to eliminate jobs in BC. They will privatise BC Hydro, ICBC, etc. They will fire more government workers. They will create another crisis in public education and medicare. Then in four more years, they will start to put a bit of the money back in the system and try for a third term.

    Do the people of BC have to be fooled twice before we kick them out of office just like they did in Ontario with Mike Harris?

    Gordon Campbell knows how to snatch defeat from what looks like an insurmountable lead. In 1996, the NDP were able to come from behind to defeat the BC LIberals. We cannot give up. The truth has to be told.

    Neo-conservative leaders like Gordon Campbell and MIke Harris will tell us any lie to get elected. The NDP has to get this message out.
    The BC Liberals have violated the public trust enough with the MOST corrupt corporation but-kissing government in BC history. BC Liberal policies are making the wealthy much more weathy and everyone else is paying for it. The elite have contempt for and are laughing at all of the poor and middle class voters who are voting for the BC Liberals.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Jean Binette says she doesn't support Gordo but does the Liberals I've gotta ask how can you support the puppets without the puppeteer?

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    Easy, just get rid of the puppeteer, Look at Carole James and Mr. Lali for an example. In that case the question will be, who's holding the strings? - I'm just one Liberal who doesn't support Gordon Campbell (Im positive there are more).

    I would invite you to join-up and make it two -decided ...

  • Sue Clark

    7 years ago

    The best way to get rid of puppeteer Gordon Campbell is to vote for the NDP. The BC Liberals are extreme right-wing Reformers and their policies will not change with a change of leader.

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    Jean Binette writes: Thanks for the utterly stupid left wing-nut remark Sue -

    .

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    Jean, Carol James is the most moderate leader to run in BC since the second world war.

    Now c'mon, its gotta be as hard for Coyote to support James as you. We'd like to have both your votes.

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    Jean Binette writes: Who's Carole James?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    I'd like to hear Paul Martin say - " and you can take my ships ..."

  • Sue Clark

    7 years ago

    I am totally middle-of-the-road, Jean Binette, not left-wing. You have not proven that you have any intelligence, Jean.

    The BC Liberals are more corrupt than the federal Liberals and yet they want to tell us all that they are not the same as the feds so that they not be tainted by the Sponsorship scandal.

    The BC Liberals have placed friends of Gordon Campbell in the CEO positions of the various hospital at salaries of $250,000 to $300,000.
    These hospital CEOs are businessmen and have no background in health administration. These hospital CEOs hire extremely expensive business consultants who know nothing about health care. Instead they should be working with the doctors, nurses and health economists to run the hospitals.

    Health care is in a crisis because the BC Liberals have no idea what they are doing. The only way to fix this is to vote for the NDP.

    Health care was NOT in crisis under the NDP. One of the goals of the BC Liberals is to create a private health care system for the rich in which the rest of us have a 2nd class health care system. The crisis in health care will be used to justify creating private health care. Private surgery clinics are already in operation and they will be a lot more expensive to run since we now going to pay to enrich the owners of these facilities.

  • jesterjogger

    7 years ago

    Is there a right-wing news entity were I can harrass people with inane, ignorant and illogical rhetoric presenting itself as actual arguments?
    Note to self: Apply for job as canwest editor and hire dearpremier, jean-binette, the punisher, sirjohna and jim as support staff.

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    Jean Binette writes: Wow! - talk about blinded by the light!

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    commentor: dearpremier.ca posted: Today
    Jean Binette writes:

    Only one problem with your comments Chris H. I don't support Gordon Campbell, I support the BC Liberals. (Barry Penner is an added exception. - His remarks about his opponent as recorded in this morning's Province were malicious and totally unwarranted.)

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    jester, you may want to go look at Free Dominion or Shotgun which I think involves Ezra Levant.

    Warning : You will find those who believe tax cuts actually pay for themselves. That NAIRU is a useful tool. That there's no such thing as global warming. That creationism should be given equal time in schools. That gays need only to watch 1 Million BC with Raquel Welch. You may also find those who believe dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time, like the Flintstones.

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Yes Frank - the world's a "shitty" place.

  • Extinct

    7 years ago

    For those that still believe the lies from Lieberals about the NDP leaving the province with a deficit. Have a look on page 10 and page 13 of the "Public Accounts of the Government of the Province of British Columbia" for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, signed by Gary Ferret Colins, Minister of Finance and Arn Van Iersel, Comptroller General. This is from the BC Minisrty of Finance website. Gordo should have hacked into the site and deleted the document before he called the election.

    http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/OCG/cfa/PA/00-01/PA%202001%20Main.pdf

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    Actually punisher, Fred and Barney always looked like they were doing okay with their dinosaurs. Well, except for that sabre-toothed cat.

    And the dinosaurs at the Bank of Canada that still believe there's such a thing as NAIRU are well paid for fossils.

    As for those that believe tax cuts pay for themselves, well ignorance is also bliss.

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    good thing I'm not a believer -

  • bigEd

    7 years ago

    BigEd.
    what a pile of crap dearpremier,you make it hard to breath.

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Please don't.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Extinct, if you go to the Auditor Generals' website back to February 2002 released in February, on the 14th, I believe, is a evaluation on the last 5 year period of the NDP. It says that our assets grew more than our debts, our income grew by more that our costs...Now what do you suppose the evaluation for Liberals four years will say?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Blonde Bombshell in a teeny-weeny-eeny-mini-itsi-bitsy-string bikini with a large boil on her left Buttock writes: Duh! Blonde Pitbull, that can't be right.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Punisher you're funny. It's right. You have a computer and the internet so educate yourself. go to bcauditor.com or through the Gov't site. gov.bc.ca under "search" enter "auditor general" then look for press releases for February 14th 2002 it's there and it's true. Yes I could just quote it but if you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day.... Besides this way you can't say I made it up.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Oh, and Punisher please make sure you come back and chat about it, okay? I want to hear how much you've learned today.

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    I learned the numbers are all bullshit! - As usual.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    So you disagree with his report? Are you calling him a liar or incompetent?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    There's a difference?

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Yes there is....I didn't realize that you had such a limited intelligence...although in retrospect, your one liners should have tipped me off...

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    I certainly wouldn't want to add to your total confusion by using more than one sentence at a time.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Well, if you'd tell me why you don't believe the Auditor General's evaluation you could clear up my confusion -in your mind, anyway. I, unlike some, can take in new info and learn from it.

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Me too. - so how does a blonde pitbull look in a string bikini?

    (he doesn't actually do the accounting)

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    I can honestly say I've never worn one. I know he doesn't do the actual accounting he goes over the paperwork and analysis it. So stop day dreamin' about girls in string bikinis and FOCUS!!! What do you disagree with in the AG's report and why?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    I'm not dreaming about girls in string bikini's Blonde pitbull, It's my boxer, he's looking for a date!

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Take him to a doggie park .... I don't think that dogs are hip to computerized dating... You do know how to get out of Mommy's basement don't you?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Not bad Blonde Bombshell - Yes I do!

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    You do realize, Punisher, that I'm no more a pitbull than you are a "punisher" (what ever that means in your mind)?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Yes I do Blonde Pitbull - and, you can't get the whole of the picture with half of the story. (the AG I mean)

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    so where do we read the other half?

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Frank took the words out of my mouth: provide me with the other half of the story. C'mon defend your cause! Back yourself up with FACTS!

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    It's always hidden blonde Bombshell, and you should already know that.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    You are sweet in renaming me Blonde Bombshell, but the reason I took on the "name" BLONDE PITBULL was because my sweety and anybody who knows me will tell you when I wrap my jaws around something I don't let go. Now tell me the half of the story that I don't know, okay.

  • Percy

    7 years ago

    I can't figure out what the story is. An alcoholic drinks himself to death. Supposedly, it is the responsibility to working people to endure unlimited taxation to ensure that this scenario can't happen. Come again?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Presumably that would be true - particularly if you are a New Democrat working with only half of a brain...

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Let me explain: in most cases doctors would not have released him until his alcohol level had dropped to a reasonable level but for the lack of beds. While he wouldn't have been highly watched patient the nursing/doctors would have constistantly evaluated his condition. They unlike you or the cops in the story know the subtle differences between drunk behaviour and stroke symptoms. It seems that a high level of alcohol consumption especially for hardcore / binge drinkers strokes are fairly common.
    Punisher, buddy,having only half a brain is okay if you use it; it's those out there with a whole brain who do nothing but "parrot" what the puppeteer of the day says that are the trouble.
    So when are you going to tell the other half of the story?

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    In you're case Blonde, electrial activity might help.

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    I'm getting the feeling that you are trying to insult me, punisher, but since it's coming from someone unable to communicate his beliefs or back up his statements with factual dialogue you are, between the two of us, showing more need of help than I.
    When are you goin' to tell the other have of the story?

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Should have proof read that last message so I'll say it again: WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY????

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    May 18, 2005 - until then Chow!

  • BLONDE PITBULL

    7 years ago

    Punisher, since you can't/ won't defend your position 'till after the election this leads me to believe that there is no defence that would work in the favour of the Liberals.Are you beginning to understand the reference to a pitbull, now?

  • sirjohna

    7 years ago

    ultimately this is just another one of those tragic non-stories dug up by a desperate political party that can't really identify itself but will do anything to win seats in the election. the ndp is very confused, but also very shrewd. carole who? distances the party from the union aparatchiks while the union brothers run a viscous pro-ndp campaign while denying they're doing so. typical lefty ndp self-righteous hypocrisy. these guys are simply one big joke, and i'm willing to wager that they will not govern in b.c. for a very long time. thankfully.

  • sirjohna

    7 years ago

    by the way, where's comrade sinclair these days. talk about keeping a low profile. come on jim, get out there and be proud of your beliefs. i'm sure the people of b.c. would love to hear what you have to say during this important campaign.

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    haha, unlike the Liberals in '96 and '01 eh?

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    every person in a wheelchair in BC I think got time sitting behind Gordo as he promised "health care when and where you need it". Of course he meant you had to be in Point Grey and it had to be sunny.

    And of course now that you can name-call with the best of 'em, as I knew you soon would, I assume you won't be crying over use of the words gruppenfuhrer or brownshirt anymore.

  • sirjohna

    7 years ago

    well done frank. true colours.

  • Frank

    7 years ago

    not sure what you mean john, I don't use 'em.

  • Sue Clark

    7 years ago

    The BC Liberals are definitely Margaret Thatcher neo-conservatives
    using NAZI style propaganda to tell us how their trickle-down economics are improving the economy. These governments reduce economic growth by throwing people out of work and sending jobs out of the country and this is exactly what has been happening under the BC Liberals. The stories about how great the economy is doing are fairy tail nonsense.

    Under the BC Liberals 95% of the people of BC are paying more in various taxes and user fees. The fat cat elites are far better off and have more money that they do not need.

  • sirjohna

    7 years ago

    sue; nice job on the grade 9 socials essay.

  • Tyee Fan

    7 years ago

    Well, Well. The comments from the goosestepping corporate brown-nosers (jean binette, punisher, sirjohna and other assorted filth) here just get more screwed up as time goes on.

    Here we have a jury that has practically indicted the BC Liar regime for criminally negligent homicide, and all they can do is hurl insults, repeat more lies, make stupid jokes and offer up more servile apologies.

    Someboy just died because the Liar regime cut the very services that guy needed. This ain't new. Seniors have died due to facility closures and forced relocation. BC firefighters have repeatedly charged that the 2003 forest fires could have been curtailed faster had the Liar regime not cut emergency response services. dosen of homes destroyed, thousands left without work or shelter.

    Finally, social services agencies in BC's poorest areas are reporting more deaths thanks to cuts in homeless shelters, affordable housing, detox, abuse services, etc.

    But do the goosestepping brwon-noser here care? Of course not, These are all just acceptable casualties in teh Liar regime's crusade to suck more cash out of the economy and stick it in the corporate dictatorship's pocket.

    yes, in fact, health care was much better with the NDP. The Auditor General reports prove it. They also prove where the Liars' health care money has gone: in the pockets of profiteering private corporate parasites and leeching senior government bureaucrats via fat raises and bonuses.

    But, of course, tje Jean Binettes, sirjohnas et al think that's just great. Enriching a few parasites at everyone else's expense because it makes brown-nosing more attractive.

    I really hope you BC Liar lovers one day get really sick and are forced to suffer the same fate as all of these other innocent folks who gave their lives for nothing. That would be poetic justice.

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    Hello there Pimpmiester, I think you need more oxygen - you ought to sue.

  • The punisher

    7 years ago

    The Punisher writes: interesting link dearpremier.ca

    commentor: dearpremier.ca posted:
    Yesterday
    Jean Binette writes:

    Tyee readers should turn to page a14 of this morning's province newspaper to find out who Carole James turned her back on after he was viciously attacked by Judge Barry Penner (acting) - while our premier stood on the sidelines and watched.

    Interesting Links:
    Tyee.ca

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    Jean Binette writes: and if you are still not convinced of the facts go here.

    theprogress.com/

  • dearpremier.ca

    7 years ago

    I noticed that "Fat Dave" was busy defending Rollie Keith recently. Too bad "political gain" kept the leader of the NDP from speaking out in his defense. (If it was up to me I'd have demanded that Penner hand over the keys to his house)

    theprogress.com/

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