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Mug Shot Too Hot for Political Ads
Parties running against B.C. Liberals fear use of drunk driving photo would backfire.
If there is a gun hanging on the wall in the first act, it must fire in the last, according to famed playwright Anton Chekhov.
In B.C. politics, Chekhov's proverbial gun is Gordon Campbell's drinking and driving mug shot. And yet, deep into the third act of the B.C. Liberals' tenure, the Grits are leading the polls, and not one of the other parties says it will pull the trigger and use the mug shot during the election.
The premier avoided resigning in 2003 after being charged with drinking and driving while on a Hawaiian vacation. After spending the night in jail, his grimacing mug shot splattered front pages across the country. And while both the Greens and the NDP demanded Campbell's resignation in the subsequent weeks, two years later, the premier's indiscretions are being treated as thing of the past.
The BC Teachers' Federation is running the most aggressive ads against the premier so far in this election. But the ads have remained focused on the B.C. Liberals' record on education, not the premier's arrest record.
The two television ads, which while receiving criticism for being exploitative to children, have not resorted to personal attacks on the premier and fell short of using the mug shot.
According to a BCTF spokesperson the intent of the ads was to make education a determining issue in the election and using the mug shot was not even considered.
"What we're saying to our membership is, ask questions and make an informed decision," said Jinny Simms, BCTF president, who added the federation does not lend its support any party.
Negative ads and backlashes
The NDP recently distributed a pamphlet door to door that prominently featured a black and white image of Gordon Campbell's face. Green leader Adriane Carr said the image was meant to suggest the mug shot. But, the NDP refute this as the intent behind the ad.
Negative campaigns do not come naturally to Canadian elections and often end up haunting the parties that use them.
In 1993, the federal Tories received an enormous amount of backlash for campaign ads that emphasized Jean Chretien's facial paralysis.
In the subsequent 1997 election, the Reform party received a similar response for campaign ads that showed pictures of Chretien alongside Lucien Bouchard and other Quebec politicians with red "X"s over their faces. The accompanying caption read, "A voice for all Canadians, not just Quebec politicians."
The ads offended more than just Quebecois voters and some argue entrenched not only the Reform party, but its subsequent Alliance and Conservative parties in the West, alienating them from eastern voters.
We're not in Kansas
The Canadian election is a different breed of animal than the ones our neighbours to the South engage in every four years.
During the 2004 US presidential election, America and the world were once again subjected to Vietnam-era politics as the G.O.P. set up a narrative around John Kerry that would eventually lead it to his defeat.
The Republicans labeled Kerry a "flip-flopper," used his opposition to the Vietnam and Iraq wars as the evidence of this, and then repeated the "flip-flop" line until Election Day. By the end, even Democrats were using the catch phrase and Kerry lost the election.
NDP spokesperson Scott Perchall said there is enough in Campbell's public record for the NDP to campaign on without resorting to personal attacks.
But NDP insiders say the reason the NDP is not using the mug shot is because the party has already conceded defeat on whether Campbell's drinking and driving conviction impinges upon his ability to lead the party.
B.C. Liberal spin doctors turned vice into a virtue the weekend Campbell returned from Maui. By dealing with his drinking and driving conviction in such a public manner and perpetuating the idea that he had only had "one too many," the premier mitigated the outcome of his charge, NDP insiders say.
Another reason the NDP won't use the mug shot is that the divisive politics created in a negative campaign does not jibe with the image it wants to create around Carole James as a cooperative leader. The NDP is instead targeting the B.C. Liberals' broken campaign promises in the last election instead of its leader's character.
The B.C. Liberals are campaigning this year on the economy, maintaining a safe distance from their leader, who polls less favorably than the party.
What's the question?
However, if the NDP and Greens are not able to get the election focus off the economy, they have a major problem ahead of them, according to a former federal NDP candidate and Simon Fraser University public policy professor Kennedy Stewart.
"How it works with voting is you don't necessarily want to give people the answer, but the most critical thing is, you're trying to set the question they will ask themselves when they walk into the voting booth," Stewart said.
Is Gordon Campbell like what the average British Columbian would imagine themselves to be? This is the question the other parties want voters to be thinking about when they go into that booth, Stewart said.
"If this election becomes a referendum on Gordon Campbell, then the NDP will do really well, and the Greens to some extent. But if it's a referendum on the economy, then the NDP does badly," Stewart said.
However, Stewart admits highlighting the premier's conviction in Maui is different than targeting a leader's deformity or admitting a prejudice against a section of the electorate.
He said he would not be surprised if the mug shot pops up during the election, but if it does, it will likely be from an arms-length organization like the labour unions or the environmental organizations rather than a political party.
"People always say they don't like negative advertisement, but in the end it's quite effective," Stewart said.
Patrick Smith, a SFU political science professor, agrees with Stewart, but adds negative campaigning is more of a short term solution and can often have unexpected and unwanted outcomes.
'Tired of negative'
"The evidence seems to suggest that negative ads work, but negative ads also turn voters off. You're fighting to get people engaged in the process, but what you're doing (with negative campaigns) is creating voter cynicism for something that might be to your short term advantage," Smith said.
The Reform ads targeting Quebec politicians was a good example, Smith said.
"My sense from the (May 17 B.C.) election is that there is going to be an attempt to take the higher road," Smith said. But he too is not willing to rule out the mug shot playing a part in the election.
But even the parties with the most to gain from using the image say they won't.
Adriane Carr, leader of the provincial Green Party, whose party is polling at around 10 per cent, said she won't use the image because she is trying to focus on campaigning positively.
"People are tired of negative campaigns," Carr said.
She added that the recent NDP pamphlet is thinly veiled attack ad.
"(The NDP) are going with negative campaigning. I don't understand why they are not just using the mug shot, because it's a technicality. If you've seen the latest brochure that that features an ugly picture of Gordon Campbell, it's moot that they are saying that they are not going to use the mug shot," Carr said.
Promises to MADD
Tom Morino, leader of the Democratic Reform B.C., said his party would "absolutely not" use the mug shot.
"One thing I'm not prepared to do is turn the volume up with hyperbole, insults, and the Americanization of the way in which we talk about campaigns," Morino said.
Morino admits the DRBC's lone member in the house, Elayne Brenzinger brought up the charge recently during question period. But Brenzinger kept the question focused on what the B.C. Liberals have done about their promise to Mothers Against Drunk Driving to make B.C. a leader in drunk driving reform, Morino said.
"I'm of the mind that if the man had a shred of respect for his office, he would have resigned. But I won't take part in ad hominem type arguments," Morino said. "If Mr. Campbell wants to engage in a verbal fistfight, I invite him into the parking lot of public opinion, I'll knock his block off and I'm looking forward to the opportunity."
Scott Deveau is on staff at The Tyee. ![]()



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The REAL barking mad fox channel (not verified)
7 years ago
There's no comparison between Chretien's facial paralysis and Campbell's drunken driving record. One's a physiological affliction that Chretien can't do anything to change; the other's a felony.
As for whether the felony should be a campaign issue on the basis of what it says our premier's character, I think the US elections have proven once and for all that ideology, lies, and blatent media manipulation trump heroism, compassion, truth and other qualities.
The REAL barking mad fox channel (not verified)
7 years ago
And THAT should be a campaign issue!
Budd Campbell (not verified)
7 years ago
At the time of Gordon Campbell's arrest in Maui, I thought it was baldly apparent that this could not possibly have been his first occurence of the offence. That he could have driven a winding seaside highway without actually crashing, with a BAL in excess of 15, is all but conclusive proof that this individual has had abundant experience driving while impaired, and has learned coping strategies that are, more or less, successful, unless something happens very rapidly.
That he must have done this often at home, and never been caught, in spite of widespread roadblocks under the old CounterAttack program, (which was, as everyone knows, cancelled the moment Campbell, Plant and Coleman took over) is again all but proof that he must have come to the attention of Canadian police, probably on more than a few occaisions. Why did our police let him go? Who ordered them to do that?
I guess the American police weren't so easily intimidated by the Premier's heavyg duty business connections with such luminaries as Suromitra Sanatani, Mark Startup, and Kevin Evans.
Chris (not verified)
7 years ago
If you punch, you will bruise your hand.
Compelling ideas may carry the day.
blando (not verified)
7 years ago
what we all need to remember is not what campbell did on the night in question, it is what he did in the days that followed. that is he lied his face off and the media in bc let him get away with it. he stood there and told the people of bc that he had "a martini before dinner and a couple of glasses of wine with dinner, i did not feel to drunk to drive"
the media jumped on this and we heard hacks like Peter" there for the grace of god go i" warren wax on about how it could happen to any one of us. so did bill "wheres mt tax break" good. of course this was a load of bull shit. we soon learned that campbells BAL was a staggering .15 -.19 double the allowable limit.i did not once hear campbell address this bare faced lie. he was smashed, he got into his suv and drove. why? and why did you lie about it?.
there are other questions that were never answered such as "why did`nt you call your wife" she found out like the rest of us. "where was laura daphney and why did you call her first?" "why did your hosts let you drive home when you were obviously so drunk?"these questions were asked but never answered
there was a great story writen by a province reporter i think. she was finally allowed to go to maui and was able to find a guy that was in the tank with our premier. i would post the story some where but lost it recently in a comp. crash. but to make a long story short, the prem was loaded when he walked into the cell. he was of course way out of his element and this petty thief whom was interviewed took pity on our leader and advised him not to lay his drunken head down too close the urinal to avoid getting pissed on. but what was a real eye opener was that this petty thief shared some tragic history with our premier. his father was also an alcholic, and commited suicide over it. needless to say the story was killed by the province sports rag as being "too embarasing for the premier". i found the story on the old terminal city site. maybe some one here has seen it recently and will post a link.
maybe now that the election is under way our premier will answer some of these questions that were left unanswered by our very able media.
Bailey (not verified)
7 years ago
The mug shot is mean, sort of like kicking a guy when he's down. The version with the photoshopped prison bars is even meaner. Even though Campbell and his henchmen have alienated countless families by their own incredible meanness to the elders and the disabled, I think Chris' point is good. Wherever you go, there you are. Hold the high ground as long as you can.
That said, the weeping premier kept his job by swearing he wouldn't drive himself anywhere, though I hear he kept his licence. So that means that 7 days a week, probably two shifts a day he gets the cheauffeured limo. Somebody needs to file an action in the Supreme Court of British Columbia to recover the cost of that. He did the crime, so as punishment WE get to foot the bill for a civil servant or three to drive him everywhere, and probably a government car to drive in. He should pay those bills himself.
God knows I don't think we should. And I don't think any donated or party funds ought to be used that way either. That's not what they're donated for.
Coyote (not verified)
7 years ago
What we should do, is remember Glen Clark and Harcourt, and for that matter, Gordon Wilson and Tyabji. Gordon Campbell deserves no particualr leniency. You know what he would be doing, were the roles reversed.
Nail the shit. Playing kissy face and forgive and forget is certainly NOT going to help win the NDP the election, or secure them any better or more fair treatment afterwards. If you don't know that, you haven't been paying attention.
People forget, and sometimes need to be reminded, not that it should be campaign front and centre, or they even think, oh well, nobody's saying anything, it must be quite acceptable behaviour-, especially the young. It ain't, "especially" for the Premier of the province, fer chrissake, and needs to be said so.
Cry me a river, will some of ya's.
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
nicely done tommy. very eloquent. maybe you should run for an ndp nomination somewhere. they could use someone more embarrassing than harry lali.
allan (not verified)
7 years ago
Here we go again, backing away from painting Gordo for what he is because it just isn't polite.
How fucking polite was he when he ripped up collective agreements covering tens of thousands of civil servants?
Did he earn your pitty or something when he closed schools, hospitals, long term care facilities for the sick and elderly?
This man used his majority to shit on the opposition and to beat up any group that dared challenge him.
Campbell is the one who dropped the gloves and started the class fight. How many more times do some people have to be suckered by a Bertuzzi-style punch to the back before they will realize this guy is out to hurt them?
Refusing to run the picture because it might offend some is not like offering the other cheek. Rather it's like bending over and whistfully dreaming that he would never again do what he did over the past four years.
Use the damned photo and remind voters of the drunken power trip this man got onto the day he was elected.
As Tommymoore rightly noted above, where was the frigging compassion and forgiveness when Campbell started the cheap RCMP-BCTV sting-like attack on Glen Clark at his home?
If the opposition will not use the drunk tank image then I urge every person who has a copy of any of those photos to have them enlarged and reproduced and posted on every telephone/hydro pole in BC.
If you have the cash, do your fellow citizens a favour and have the pic fill a complete billboard.
Be nice to this asshole again and you will deserve the crap he dumps on you.
baseline (not verified)
7 years ago
it was peg fong's story. she was a reporter with the vancouver sun
Coyote (not verified)
7 years ago
This timidity of labour and the ndp is too mucking fuch. It is part of the reason for the outdoor shithouse pit we are in here.
When you need or want to use a picture of Campbell, display his mugshot everywhere. You don't even have to say a bloody word, and you can even refuse to comment on it-, just his mugshot.
That'll say all you really need to say, if you are really that neocon whipped, as the NDP certainly seems to be going into this election. Just what folks will be looking for, no doubt.
More, don't rock the boat, let's see if we can't just quietly sneak into the government seats because there is no other alternative. We've seen that one before too.
blando (not verified)
7 years ago
thanks base line. just figured that out. still can`t find the story though
JIm (not verified)
7 years ago
Go ahead and attack the premier on his drunk driving. You can spend all your time whining and crying about the past while the rest of us look to the future. A future that is full of hope and prosperity for all British Columbians, unless you are looking for government handouts than it will be a tough 4 years.
This will be a tough campaign for the NDP due to the fact that they apparently have no vision, they only have criticism of the past. Unless the NDP has an epiphany all you are going to see is negative ads so get used to it. Or maybe they have a hidden agenda that they don’t want to articulate to the public. I’m not sure what their plan is. It seems to me they’re wasting valuable time getting their message out.
How is having your mug shot plastered all over the front page of every paper and getting constant ridicule and criticism over the radio getting off easy?
baseline (not verified)
7 years ago
he still has his job
Wyo (not verified)
7 years ago
Amen to that, Jim! It`s the economy stupid - Allen.
billy pilgrim (not verified)
7 years ago
if gordo's mug shot is used in the campaign it will make him real mad and when he gets mad, poor people pay the price. i'd rather see humble gordo in his flannel shirt pretending to like the proletariat.
The REAL barking mad fox channel (not verified)
7 years ago
Obviously the crowd that supports Campbell still believes in Tinkerbell.
Bimble-woo-woo (not verified)
7 years ago
What's wrong with believing in fairies? You are so negative! What evil kind of person posts up on a public bulletin board that there is no such thing as Tinkerbell? That sort of kick-in-the-pants nastiness shows up everything that's wrong with the NDP!!!
The Upstanding Bliberal (not verified)
7 years ago
Just close your eyes, and tap your heels three times, and say:
I do believe in fairies!I do! I do!
And we will make all those horrid people who want living wages, clean air and water, healthy oceans, resources left for their children, an education, arts disappear!
Just like we did with Premier Campbell's drunk driving record, BC Rail, the local school, the salmon, our fresh water ...
proletariat?! (not verified)
7 years ago
Didn't that only happen in Year 4, billy? Oh wait, he may have donned flannel when he tried to sell the Coquihalla out of the 'Heartland'.
What makes you think that he won't be the same old dick in the next three years of tenure, knowing BC gave him the MANDATE to punish the poor?!
bear604 (not verified)
7 years ago
Seriously - help me out here: where can I go to get a T-shirt printed with the mug shot and the caption 'vote Liberal'? I
Mel from Calgary (not verified)
7 years ago
If the other parties don't want to use the mug shot, use what happened in the days after as blando mentions in their posting.
I remember Campbell saying he would take full responsibility but did he? He pleaded "no contest" that is very different from pleading "guilty" this spares him a criminal record and losing his license. Hardly being accountable. These are the issues pertaining to leadership and must be brought up in the election.
They Liberals are not going to play nicey-nicey.
proletariat?! (not verified)
7 years ago
Bear, I was thinking more along the lines of 'Leading by Example', but I am with you all the way. For location, why not the Dog's Ear T-Shirt Boutique? Or if you are in Vancouver, Mattart on Granville?
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
I would like an explanation from Mr. Deveau how turning BC into a federal welfare basket case -eligible for federal welfare 4 YEARS OUT OF 4 means that the NDP will lose the next election, should the focus be on the economy?? Add in the 22,600 fulltime jobs the the Vancouver Sun reported the liars as losing on December 7, 2004, (the SAME day as Pearl Harbour!) then how can the NDP possibly be afraid to fight the liberals on their economic record...I know I give these statistics a lot, but they are both true and easily verifiable, and frankly it amazes me they're not being used in campaign ads already...the simple facts indicate that the BC liars could not successfully run a pay toilet in a diarhea epidemic...
As to the premier's mug shot, infinite options are available. If big business can run endless Campbell friendly ads, why on earth can't NDP supporters, who don't have to be directly connected with unions run mug shot ads...keep the party's ads clean, run the mugshot ads with independent financing. OR, if the mug shot ads are too scary (they shouldn't be!) run ads showing the taxpayer funded spectacle of the premier weeping and begging for forgiveness and compassion, after manufacturing a phoney crisis, and mercilessly using it to attack little old ladies, disabled people, women, cancer patients etc, and run a statement of this record as a voiceover of the weeping piece of human garbage footage...no one could say this is a low blow, because everything the premier did to vulnerable and innocent people is a matter of public record, including the fact that the taxpayers paid for this general disgusting performance that should have already been mentioned as "the worst performance EVER, by a thug, imitating of a decent human being..."
One thing is for sure, if the NDP plays by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while Campbell plays from his usual moral abyss, then the NDP will lose. If the NDP lets the media set the agenda, as they did in 2001, then the NDP will lose again. And god save us, from another pathetic, half-hearted campaign, like the one Udjal Dosanj ran in 2001. The Campbell record is clear: they are an ethical, an economic and a social failure. All the NDP needs to win is balls, truth, and a decent and courageous campaign, one set BY the NDP, not orchestrated by the media playing the NDP like a violin, as they have all too often. And, please, the last poll was from the notoriously unreliable and biased Mustel Group, which always shows the NDP lagging at least 6 points behind where they actually are...Deveau's unexamined citing of this poll suggests to me that too amy NDPers are still being played with that cheap reeking bow (the one covered by blood), that goes by the name of Canwest media...
Wyo (not verified)
7 years ago
As a senior on a fixed income I am WAY better off with the B.C. Libs. Taxes are lower and I no longer have to pay $500 plus for M.S.P. that I used to have to pay to the N.D.P. Government.
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
There MUST be some silk screening T-shirt entrepreneurs, who could turn out mug shot T-shirts in jig time...and what a great way to raise money for campaign ads...I wish I knew more Bear...people could look up "customized t-shirts" both online, and in, say, the Telus yellow pages...or hell, keep the money as a well earned reward...
Beyond Hope (not verified)
7 years ago
If you want to make a t-shirt all you need is the picture and print it on "Iron-On Transfer Paper." You then iron it on the t-shirt and you have it. Make several for your friends and give them as gifts. You could download the the picture at the top , blow it up and increase its quality and iron it.
tommymoore (not verified)
7 years ago
Please accept my abject apologies for my obviously tasteless and nasty post. To slur and denigrate the premier of this province in such a fashion is completely beyond the pale. Intimating that he was/is (god forbid!) guilty of infidelity is pure hearsay, and of course he only had one too many drinks in Maui - could happen to any of us, eh? And really, you'd have to be a fool not to admit what a wonderful job he's done "putting BC on the right track", "leading us down the road to 2010", making our province "the best place on earth" etc, etc, and so on, and so on and more of the same..
Mr. Lahey (not verified)
7 years ago
By all means I think the NDP should use the photo, it is certainly keeping within the NDP’s character of making everything in BC look as bad as can possibly be. Which coincidently is exactly how the province really was when the NDP was ousted from office in 2001.
Bailey (not verified)
7 years ago
I have to admit that it's clear to me that more helpless old people, poor people, disabled people will likely suffer and die if this criminal and his gang are reelected with a majority. It would be an unprecidented disaster for just about half of us. The half these guys hate.
It's just that if we sink to the level they set we might as well elect them, because we will surely become them.
Be true to your best self, as long as you can. That will be our best hope for the future.
Gang-poster (not verified)
7 years ago
The liberals are the only party which allows me the satisfaction of pissing on the unemployed who are obviously nothing but a bunch of crack addicts only worthy of being rooted under a pigfarm.
lisa (not verified)
7 years ago
I would use the mug shot and I don't believe it is sinking to any level. It is a fact.
It is just a fact is that the premier of a province is the not only the 'leader' but she/he is the representative of the province.
Is this who we want representing us for the next four years?
I think it should be used in the context of his other deeds and used as a reminder.
I think it is important to remind people of all the facts which are themselves negative and in no way reflect anyone, but the BC Liberals.
These facts are only their actions in office. If their actions were above reproach they would have nothing to worry about.
People need to be reminded to counter the massive media blizz they enacted to confuse and deliberately cheat the public when they first started implementing Neo-Conservatism. And, the totally delusional ad campaigns they are putting out now. And, oh, it's their own fault that there is just so much negative to draw from in their record. If they were a good government they could run on their real record, not hide from it.
lisa (not verified)
7 years ago
And, another thing, this wasn't an unfortunate personal event. This man got in a deadly weapon and drove it when he was blottoed! He was a high profile public servant.
No reward.
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Right, mr lahey, you cowardly little shill, "the mess" the BC Liars inherited: a billion and a half dollar surplus, and an economy that grew at least 3 percent a year, and sometimes 4 percent, far beyond the best and totally unproved "predictions," by the BC backstabbers. Where ya bin hidin' hope you enjoy the tripled truck insurance you'll be paying if the BC liars get reelected and give ICBC like they did BC Rail.
And, hey gang-poster, you're not a gangstah, that would require guts and cohones. What you are is an imbecilic, cowardly little pimp, and your allusion to murdered BC women at the Pickton pig farm, is so far beneayth contempt you need the Hubble telescope to look UP to see the gutter. Disabled or not, if you made such a comment in my physical presence I'd put your cowardly butt in hospital for six months where you could enjoy pre-packaged reheated food, 8 an hour cleaners, looking a better job at Whitespot, and infection by the super bacteria the cleaners missed, because, gee, "it looked clean..."
super (not verified)
7 years ago
Is this the Premier that didn't have the courage to stand in front of the judge and receive his sentence? You know the one that wants to lead by example..
BC Mary (not verified)
7 years ago
Please be sure to use the photo of Gordon Campbell smiling so goofily for the police.
It brought such a smile to my own face, the day I saw it in colour on the front page of the Globe and Mail.
hefe (not verified)
7 years ago
i don't think the photo would really do any damage, to be honest.
everybody had their reaction at the time of the incident, it's old news now, not shocking.
its not far enough in the past that people have forgotten, and i think the polls are probably accurate, and that running the photo would really be nothing but bad news for parties of the left.
The REAL barking mad fox channel (not verified)
7 years ago
Why haven't we seen ads trumpeting the fact that last NDP government left us with a 1.5B surplus and now we're on equalization payments?
Mr. Lahey (not verified)
7 years ago
Surplus? Hey Hombre - You forgot about that retired public service pension plan that your buds in the NDP dumped off the public payroll for a one time $ 1.39 Billion savings "surplus" on that 2001 election budget. One time only. Just ask any retired public servant how they feel about that piece of NDP legislation right now. Sold out by the NDP just so they could finally report at least one non “fudget budget†over those two terms. Kind of like all of that California power money that they counted in that "surplus" as well. Never got here did it. Even ICBC was loosing money under the NDP. Get your head out of the sand.
kj (not verified)
7 years ago
I can't believe it. My comments were censored on this thread. You spineless bastard, Beers!
tommymoore (not verified)
7 years ago
Same with mine. Jellyfish power to the Tyee! Why the hell are they deleting COMMENTS? Aren't comments freely-offered opinions? Well fuck it. Let's leave it to those of Mr. Lahey's ilk - now THEY know what's really going on...
kj (not verified)
7 years ago
gulp! apologies to editor, David Beers. Wrong thread... I gotta take a break.
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Every single sin committed by the NDP is exceptionally minor compared to the unending litany of sins committed by the slimy pimps you're cuddling up to, mr lahey. Ask DISABLED workers how they feel about having already legislated workman's compensation pensions GUTTED by the BC liars, ask the relatives of seniors who died after they were moved once too often so Campbell could sell our healthcare to the American multinationals at nickles on the dollar...
After ICBC is given away for a song, if the liberals are reelected, when your trucking comany is no longer a profitable businees you're gonna be very interested in pensions, Mr Lahey, especially you're own, and THERE IS NOTHING MORE DAMNING THAN THE BC LIARS HAVING TURNED BC INTO A FEDERAL WELFARE BASKET CASE FOR 4 YEARS OUT oF 4, little mr lahey...why do you suppose the BC backstabbers won't take the "personal responsibility," you're always so fond of prattling on about for that?? I thought rightwingers like yourself, were AGAINST WELFARE, Mr lahey? Oh, for other readers, Mr lahey moved here from alberta two years ago, and is now an expert on BC politics...don't you ever blush when you look at your grandchildren, lahey, and realise you've sold them out for loose change?? I guess you'd have to have a conscience for that to bother you, though, huh???
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Fox, I keep bringing this up again and again. No rightwinger has ever given me anything even vaguely resembling a successful rebuttal on it. I can only conclude if the NDP doesn't trumpet the fact that the BC liars have turned us in a federal welfare basket case, 4 years out of 4, during the next election that they are trying to lose the election. People, please e-mail the NDP about this, anonymously or otherwise...as I intend to do...
dingers (not verified)
7 years ago
Too bad someone didn't drive Gordo Home. Friends don't let friends drive drunk.
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
NOT TO MENTION THE 22,600 FULLTIME WELL PAYING JOBS THE VANCOUVER SUN REPORTED ON DECEMBER 7, (SAME DAY AS PEARL HARBOUR) 2004 THAT THE BC BACKSTABBERS LOST LAST YEAR. MIND YOU, THEY DID USE TWO INCH LINES LYING ABOUT BC'S UNEMPLOYMENT RATE BEING THE LOWEST SINCE 1981 (ONLY BECAUSE THOSE WHO HAD GIVEN UP LOOKING FOR WORK WERE NO LONGER BEING COUNTED) TO TRY AND HIDE THIS ASTONISHING BIT OF BC LIAR INCOMPETENCE.
sb (not verified)
7 years ago
Those were two budget surpluses Mr. Lahey and a Higher GDP than your pimps have now.The economy is doing okay and it is because of low interest rates and high fuel prices.investors believe tha this government will do it for them but working people know that this government is doing it to them.
David (not verified)
7 years ago
I saw two headlines today that relate to the thinking I see on the board tonight. One was the worry that the BC Fed was playing into the Liberals hands with their pointless and shrill squabbling, and the other is the BCTF, which affiliated I believe last summer with the Fed, closing down libraries, while claiming the moral highground. I see Gordon, who seemed to me to be geniunely grief stricken by his behaviour, who has sworn off alcohol, pleaded no contest, has really done the best a human can do to overcome and beat the illness that contributed to his own father's suicide. I mean, come on people, you are supposed to be liberals, and look how intolerant to a person with an addiction we are being.
Then I hear about the teachers protecting kids by locking them out of the library. Let me get this straight. The BCTF is trying to shutdown libraries if there is no specialized librarian around. They want to prevent clerks, volunteers, teachers and admin people from unlocking the library doors. Apparently a library is not a collection of books and reading materials for lending, but in BCTF-land it is a locked, barren place until a librarian is there to light it aglow with the shrouded, secret power of a union angel of knowledge. Kids apparently can't be trusted to manage the intricacies of the dewey decimal system. Never mind it can't be used by the kids with another teacher or volunteer handy, let them be illiterate!
This runup to the election is going to be fun to watch, unless, of course, you happen to be stranded in the middle. I remember a grim-faced David Chudnovsky telling us in January 2002 that, in the bizarro world of the BCTF, in order to provide for the educational well being of our kids, the teachers stopped all voluntary services inactivities such as school sports, drama, music, student councils, and school clubs. The real issue??? The BCTF's attempt to test the limits of the essential service legislation.
And they have been whining about their "cuts" ever since. Here is an excerpt from the head of the BCTF 2002 AGM speech....
"And putting children first in Campbellese means hundreds of millions of dollars in cuts to educational programs for children across B.C. Gordon Campbell has provided billions of dollars in tax cuts, most of which go to his wealthy friends, and now he wants the children, the seniors and the poor to pay for his disastrous experiment."
What disaster- a 25% cut in taxes for everybody??? Unshackling of our "have-not" federal financial status created by the NDP?? In migration of workers to the province instead of the opposite??? Or for that matter, what cuts??? $436 million more spent on education since the Liberals came into power, or the $500 plus more per student per year that is spent??? I would agree that Campbell has helped the wealthy- didn't the Liberals pay the College of Teachers (who can make over $80,000 per year with benefits) by paying their fees when they refused to?? Baaad Campbell, I mean, ooops.
This is the crowd that asked for a 22.5 percent raise and a decrease in workload "to protect education". At the time, there was a 7.5 percent offer on the table. So, after months of keeping kids from having any fun or healthy acitivities, the teachers accomplished, what.....NOTHING- except maybe giving themselves a shorter workday. Now they put the kids literacy and freedom to study on the line. What will they achieve with this attempt to again politicize access to learning materials? Well, this time we can help decide, and we only have to wait two months.
Anonymous
7 years ago
Gottcha!
It's the teachers, nurses, librarians, careaides, child care workers, all those darn givers in society who are the bad guys.
And, the liars, betrayers of the public trust, creators of the shady deal, toxic dumpers, and clearcutters who are the good guys.
Things that make me go, Hmm.
lynn (not verified)
7 years ago
Someone in the town I live near has a billboard about ten feet by six feet on their front lawn that borders the 101, with Gordo's mugshot on it accompanied by some very apt commentary. I'm taking the advice of those who say we should be "polite" and "nice" and I'm picking a big bouquet of flowering red currants and daffodils to give to the people who put that billboard there. Along with a card of thanks and a few extra nails.
Mr. Lahey (not verified)
7 years ago
Actually Hombre, it was once again your NDP friends that turned BC into a have not province, and I can guarantee you that the retired civil servants of the Province do not see the dumping off of their pension plan by the NDP as minor, no more than an HEU worker would see Bill 37 as a non issue. “Have-Not†status is for all intensive purposes provincial welfare, and much as welfare was originally intended; BC is getting back on it’s feet again as a result. Does anyone outside of Jim Sinclair seriously doubt that we are soon to be a “have†province again? Even for those like Carole James who seem to think that the economy, just like a credit rating; can recover all by itself. Was I the only one to wonder why Carole James who supposedly laments for more women in politics was the first to criticize Carole Taylor’s entry? Or do her beliefs only extend to her own political benefit
Dear Lahey (not verified)
7 years ago
Please be specific, What Liberal policy turned China into a mass importer of Canadian timber? That was a hell of a good trick. When they can't even get the bloody Americans to obey their own laws about softwood tarifs.
You just keep saying things that are obviously not true. Over and over as if lying often makes your lies true. And all your shortcomings are your enemies fault, because God or Campbell told you you're right, can't be wrong. Couldn't possibly just be as wrong as you obviously are so much of the time.
BC is getting China back on it's feet again, and as soon as the logs are all shipped, and the coal prices drop back again, then that'll be somebody else's fault too, won't it.
bob275 (not verified)
7 years ago
Tyee seems to have no problem posting the mugshot - if anything they seem gleeful about it. A rumour I heard is that the BCFed will be pulling their financial support from tyee right after the election - if the Liberals win. You can kiss tyee goodbye without BCFed support.
Frank (not verified)
7 years ago
"A rumour I heard" ? Where does one go to hear such rumours? Overheard two union guys in a pub perhaps?
BC became a have-not province under the Liberals. The NDP had higher growth than the Libs and ended their term with two balanced budgets approved by the auditor and they did it without slashing and without low interest rates. I know its tough to square that circle people but facts are stubborn.
Anyway, the NDP are poised to win this election and I don't see the point of them using the pic, they should avoid it. NDP supporters on the other hand should use it all the time. Carole James should retain the high ground, above the fray. The rest of us are under no such restraint.
leo mishkin (not verified)
7 years ago
use the photo!! if the ndp don't have the guts to use an absolutely classic photo then they don't have the guts to run the province. i want to see that photo everywhere in the coming weeks. lord knows carol james is no genius so she better show some guts if she wants my vote.
BC Mary (not verified)
7 years ago
But please use the goofy smiling Campbell photo.
Who the heck SMILES for the police on being arrested and handcuffed?
Did Premier Campbell feel so comfy? Was it, like, Hi guys, are we having fun yet?
Where was the Omigod, the people of British Columbia will be so shocked by this! No, he WAS having fun. Or so he thought. That's our premier too.
Oh yes, use the goofy Gordon Campbell smiling for the Maui police!
Brian (not verified)
7 years ago
Yo, David Beers. Could you maybe post a higher-res copy of the mug shot for those of us who might want to find some creative uses for it?
PRW (not verified)
7 years ago
Let's get a few facts straight David. I don't think there was ANYTHING in the BCTF strategy that said a library would be closed if parents wanted to "volunteer" to run it. That a library needs to be run by volunteers instead of trained librarians is an interesting conundrum and speaks volumes about the Liberals committment to improving literacy. Why don't we all just volunteer our labour? Yes, we all did get a tax cut, but surely you understand that it's the wealthiest in society that get the lion's share of it? Most BC'ers tax cuts are long gone after increased MSP payments and other "hidden user-pay" schemes hatched up by this caring bunch. Once again, ( and it gets tiring repeating this as many have done on this post...sort of like "Groundhog Day") The NDP ran two staight budgets as verified by the independent auditor. As far as funding public schools go, your assertion that the Liberals have increased funding is just plain wrong! They took out $320 million over the last 4 years and "gave back" $150 million to be spead out only if they're re-elected. That leaves $170 million in shortage...( and yes, you won't find this buried in the Liberal smoke and mirror website, you need to do the deeper digging of the numbers and factor in increased hydro, other materials, inflation etc...) You totally do not understand the College of Teachers issue. Teachers were against the hijacking of the college by Campbell who wanted to it turn into some kind of anti-teacher gestapo. We protested by witholding our fees so Christy Clark paid the bill to avoid a showdown. The taxpayers foot the bill thanks to Clark...so far the BCTF members refuse to pay for that year because it was not a Teacher's College that year...Christy will need to explain that to the taxpayers I guess...oh, the price of arrogance! Bottom line David: Teacher-bashing has been in vogue since the right-wing zealots and Fraser Institute/Canwest cheerleaders thought they could destroy it all and privatize schools to make $$$. The BCTF is attacked because we stand in their way and oppose privatization and corporatization of schools. Spend a day in my shoes...see if we're "reducing our workload" as you claim...in your world, teaching is such a "cush job" and we "whine" so much...explain to me then, why do 50% of new teachers leave the profession before 5 years? Why aren't the floodgates opening to grab, according to your perspective, this easy, over-paid job? The reality is: 113 closed schools, 2,500 laid-off teachers ( lay-offs are 4X higher than decreased enrollment), fewer specialist teachers for those with special needs, fewer librarians, and more underfunding. Is this what the Liberals promised? Governments come and go, teachers and schools will always be needed. It will take decades to undo the damage already done. Please choose carefully when you vote on May 17th.
Budd Campbell (not verified)
7 years ago
Well David, you have succeeded in delivering an anti-BCTF tirade of a type that would make the Sun’s Janet Steffenhagen proud, even envious. A couple of key quotes sets the highly politicized tone of your righteous anti-teacher post:
“The BCTF is trying to shutdown libraries if there is no specialized librarian around. They want to prevent clerks, volunteers, teachers and admin people from unlocking the library doors. Apparently a library is not a collection of books and reading materials for lending, but in BCTF-land it is a locked, barren place until a librarian is there to light it aglow with the shrouded, secret power of a union angel of knowledge. ... What will they achieve with this attempt to again politicize access to learning materials? Well, this time we can help decide, and we only have to wait two months.â€
I wonder David, would it be too much to ask you to drop the charade and let us in on some of the background details? How close is the working relationship between Steffenhagen and the Education Minister, Tom Stephenson, especially on his new on-line teacher discipline registry? And how close is the working relationship between Steffenhagen and the various “parent’s†organizations, most of which appear to be Liberal front groups.
johnny (not verified)
7 years ago
Frank; Save your breath. It's obvious from some of the earlier conversations that these morons don't understand equalization. They're desperate and are grasping at straws.
lisa (not verified)
7 years ago
Yes, why get a professional librarian to work in the library? It's such a 'girlie' job. Surely some WOMAN can volunteer and do it. (never mind how without a paid central librarian the supplies and system would soon go miss filed and missing, ultimately destroying a resourse - but what's to looking after a few books eh?)
These neo-cons want to return all theFREE labour women did to underpin society for years. Well, forget it. buster. Already the free gifts women bestow to society are discounted and devalued. No more free gifts from women to a system which discounts those very gifts.
In California, Arnold is losing popularity daily as he attacks nurses and teachers. You know, the public isn't that dumb. They know teachers and nurses are the good guys. Oh sure, you'll get some people who don't have enough sense to pound sand and neglect to think the most basic things through. But as Lincoln said, you can't fool all the people all the time.
ch (not verified)
7 years ago
Just like the commercials by MADD - a drunk driving conviction always stays with you. Why should Gordo be any different? Use the photo. Let it follow him long into the future.
David...me thinks you suffer from middle age white man syndrome
The REAL barking mad fox channel (not verified)
7 years ago
The measure of an improved economy in BC is when foodbanks close, and when the homeless shelter that local church groups had to build (from their own fundraising efforts) is changed to a youth hostel. As it is, the place still doesn't meet the community's needs adequately.
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
ch; i wonder if you would describe 'middle age white man syndrome' for me? i'd be very interested to hear it. thanks much.
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
mr. deveau; do you sincerely believe that the ads by the bctf 'have not resorted to personal attacks on the premier' considering especially the academy award ad?
hellokitty (not verified)
7 years ago
Given JIm's propensity for spouting happytalk crap about a "future that is full of hope and prosperity for all British Columbians" in lieu of any substantive arguments or statements, it's my educated guess that he works in the communications (aka P.R.) department of the premiere's office, in which case he deserves our scorn and pity, but no further attention.
lynn (not verified)
7 years ago
David, with your logic about school libraries and librarians, I'm sure the next time you're in an emergency room, and there are no doctors and nurses to run the place, you could just get someone to volunteer, one of the other patients or perhaps the receptionist, to set yout fracture and take your blood sample. I mean, who needs specialists anyway, when you can get volunteers to work for free?!
Annoyed (not verified)
7 years ago
Hey ch -- if your arguments are so weak you need to lower yourself to racist slags, stfu!
C. Parkhurst (not verified)
7 years ago
It seems that the subject matter tends to drift away from the original (as usual). I think the mugshot would look good with "vote BC Liberal" proudly dislayed below. I do have to laugh when I read such posts as "a future that is full of hope and prosperity for ALL British Columbians", and read such advice on taxation yesterday`s editorial in the Daily Sportsmag, that the taxes must be lower so many of us won`t have to keep our money offshore. Between sheltering my money offshore to avoid tax, and maximizing my RRSP each year, I find that it leaves a bit of a gap regarding food and living expenses.Nothing Left. I make a fairly decent living by 1991 standards, so I have to wonder who are being referred to.I suspect earners far above my level of income are being targetted, much in the same way that our lovely premier gave large tax decreases to ones that needed them the least. The mugshot works for me. Print a million of them. And, I especially liked Campbell crying on TV. Maybe he has a future in acting, after this thing called being a "leader" runs out.
JackMac (not verified)
7 years ago
Once again we have the teacher-bashers using any forum possible to spew their uninformed drivel. It's amazing how many experts there are in this field, especially those who haven't spent a minute in a school for many years. It must be nice to have such amazing powers...I'll have to find out how to get suc abilities so I can pass uninformed judgements on your job. Fact:The average Canadian teacher works just under 50 hours a week. (Look it up, please)
The issue with the College against teachers is that basic old problem of taxation without representation. I'm sure it was equally naughty of those people in the Ukraine, Lebanon, (or the American Revolution, for that matter) to refuse to pay money to an unrepresentative body, established with the sole purpose of screwing them in every possible way.
Now that I've added my off-topic rebuttals, I'd suggest that someone write the unauthorized biography of our premier. That would be even better than recycling the mugshot....
Ron Y (not verified)
7 years ago
I agree with Coyote and Hombre, who are saying what I have also been saying for months: a timid, "safe" NDP campaign is a recipe for another Liberal government. Of course, the NDP also needs to clarify and publicize its own ideological and practical selling points, so that it wins on merit, but refusing to take the cheap shot when the moron has handed it to you is idiocy.
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
jackmac; just to be clear; you're comparing the college/teacher relationship to the ukraine, lebanon, and the american revolution? just how is the college trying to 'screw' teachers, and why would they bother? the recent restructuring of the college was simply an attempt to represent the other interest groups involved in the education system. if the libs really hated teachers and wanted to 'screw' them, why would they have legislated a 7.5% raise? the ndp legislated teachers back to work with 0-0-0!
lynn (not verified)
7 years ago
As BC Mary suggests, I think we should use the goofy, smiling, happy-to-be-in-jail photo of our premier. Underneath it should be written: "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
Frank (not verified)
7 years ago
To all of you who say the NDP should run ads using the pic. Remember the US election? Think MoveOn.org My point is that the NDP party and especially Carole James should run a clean campaign. But until some government has the balls to outlaw soft money we should fund organizations who are willing to go negative and fight a dirty campaign. Run split screen ads of Campbell crying next to one with him saying we have to make tough decisions or with a voice over about leadership. Do what you gotta do but leave the NDP name and leader out of it.
Why do you think the right has 500 front organizations that act as farm teams for the right's political parties? So that the party leader and name are always arms length from stuff that might be a bit unseemly or too radical.
lynn (not verified)
7 years ago
I think that's a good point, Frank. The billboard I referred to above is backed by a coalition of people fed up with Campbell's policies, not a political party.
However, I still think the NDP should get tougher in defending their policies against right-wing assaults and I wish for once they would have the "wholehearted" courage of their convictions especially in regard to our social system. I love that word because it suggests a person or a political party that knows who they are and throws both body and soul into the game, no halfway measures, no selling out.
Hic....burp (not verified)
7 years ago
Happy Saint paddy's day! 'T is Gordon O'Liar, of the O'Picton clan. Damn that's good scotch!! Well' 't is hard to send this message with one han onna wheel an' th' other on me boddle, and the other on my in car fax mashine, but ah'm game...
I don't really like chilluns, but I do like lepracauns, and I figures if I just continues the 100 a month cutback to the food allowance of poor kiddies, why in NO time they'll look just like the little people...why I'm jist makin' the l'il people liller s'all...wass wrong with that, hic...burp belch gasp, hey gimmee a snort o' that gary
Hee, hee, hee...tell ya the truf, ah'm not really Irish or Scottish, ah consider maself a born agin american...aaahhh, scotdch is allays bes' straight out a the boddle...oh look out, tree...AAARRRGGHHHH!!!!!
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Mr Duhh, I mean Mr Lahey...sit down a minute and take your head out of your butt. There! Isn't that better...why the strain on your neck alone...not to mention the poor blood circulation and lack of air...There, that's a GOOD little quisling...
Now, Mr Lahey, let me explain equalization payments to you so that even YOUR dim, nasty little mind can grasp the issue: EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS ARE GIVEN ONLY TO HAVE NOT PROVINCES, IE, THOSE THAT ARE ECONOMIC FAILURES. IN NOT ONE YEAR OF NDP REIGN DURING THER 90s WAS BC ELIGIBLE FOR EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS. HOWEVER, IN EVERY SINGLE YEAR OF BC LIBERAL REIGN BC WAS ELIGIBLE FOR MASSIVE EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS, BECAUSE THE BC LIARS COULD NOT MANAGE A PAY TOILET SUCCESSFULLY IN A DIARHEA EPIDEMIC, BECAUSE TAX CUTS DO NOT PAY THEMSELVES, AND BECAUSE TRADING HIGH PAYING FULL TIME JOBS FOR LOW PAYING PART TIME JOBS IS SIMPLY IDEOLOGICAL IDIOCY. There! Wasn't that easy Mr Lahey...no, no. no! Mr Lahey, don't put your head back up there again...well, I have to admit it does imnprove the view...and you have at least finally penetrated to the HEART, so as to speak, of the gordon liar economic miracle...
the poor tree (not verified)
7 years ago
AAAARRRGGHHH!!!!!
HOMBRE (not verified)
7 years ago
David, your defense of the witch hunt the Campbell government is attempting to rev up on teachers is simply beneath contempt. Librarians are trained professionals with broad ranging knowledge, as opposed to the used car salesman that make up BC "liberal" "thought." They have degrees in library science, which includes child psychology and teaching useful research techniques to young children that often have a life long benefit. Having gutted every single mechanism that makes government and mlas accountable, INCLUDING DEMOCRATIC DEBATE IN THE LEGISLATURE, now the shortest in the British Commonwealth, the BC liars want to initiate a WITCH HUNT on teachers, not unlike their ongoing witch hunt on the poor and the disabled, using a findamentalist shill, like Tom Christianson, who like the odious Rich Coleman could be our next attorney general. Let's face it, BC liar supporters are simply contemptable!
And, David, what makes you think the premier has stopped drinking?? He's lied about everything else, and we're supposed to take his word on this one??? I don't think so...
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Hey groper, ol' teach, let's hear your defense, AS A CONCERNED AND COMPASSIONATE TEACHER (Yeah, right!) of the BC LIars gutting school libraries. and don't forget to explain to us again, how all the disabled children in your class are still "just fine" now that so many special needs teachers have been removed....
kanto (not verified)
7 years ago
Use the freaking photo!
Nationalist (not verified)
7 years ago
Well if someone doesn't start the mud slinging soon then the other parties are going to get as many votes as quarters in a scotich pay toilet.
If you don't get that, it simply means that their isn't many quaters in a scotich pay toilet because the stero type of the scots is that they are cheap...I'm part scots and i'm cheap i'd use a bush before I pay to use a toilet even in a diarhea epidemic.
Mr. Lahey (not verified)
7 years ago
Nice work Hombre, you are a true testament for the collective drone of mindless NDP supporters who will believe anything they are told to.
PRW (not verified)
7 years ago
Hey Griper,
A while ago on another post, you claimed that you had all the "data" from the gov.bc website "proving" the Liberals did not decrease funding. I challenged you to give me the exact site and location of this magical data. You never responded. Why won't you forward where you get your information from so all the Tyee "commies" will be "shown the light" and vote Campbell in May?. It does exist, right? You wouldn't just be making this up, right?
A Billboard of the Mugshot .... (not verified)
7 years ago
... with the caption "What condition was he in when he sold BC Rail?"
Tom L (not verified)
7 years ago
Whats the fuss about. He was drunk, convicted, its public information. Tell it like it is.
lisa (not verified)
7 years ago
LOL That is so funny 'a billboard of the mugshot'!
Yes, it is well known that if one is an addict they can move from various addictions. Alcohol, workaholism, drunk on ideology, power etc.
Qarlos (not verified)
7 years ago
With the Criminally convicted Premier still in charge, it's my understanding that BC is just continuing its role as corruptor of the Commonwealth parlimentary tradition. Wasn't Socred Bob Summers the first minister in the Commonwealth to be convicted of fraud/kickbacks during the '50's while establishing the current TFL system?
Anyhow the Mug shot should be used to protest the horrific give away/theft of the public's resources,; BCRail, BCFerries, BCHydro thus far...
Campbell's hypocracy is heinous.
New Name? (not verified)
7 years ago
Why don't we just call them the Fiberals from now on?
-C
New Name? (not verified)
7 years ago
Why don't we just call them the Fiberals from now on?
-C
bear604 (not verified)
7 years ago
Beyond Hope - the iron-on transfer paper idea is great. I did try a few places in Vancouver about printing the "vote Liberal" shirts and the responses went from instant "no political content" to one diatribe from a guy who had his head so far up the Vancouver Sun's ass that he must have thought I had come to torch his store.
BC Mary (not verified)
7 years ago
The police mug-shot of a B.C. premier taken Jan. 10, 2003 was displayed on the front page of every newspaper across Canada when Gordon Campbell was arrested for drunk-driving in Hawaii.
That goofy sailor-on-shore-leave smile in living colour wasn't a false photo invented by his enemies. It wasn't a malicious cartoon. That was the sh*t which did happen. It was sh*t which Gordo did himself when he should've known better.
What kind of mamby-pambies are we now, to shrink from showing that exact true image to voters trying to weigh up all factors before the May 17 election?
And lawn signs, yes! T-shirts, yes! Brochures, TV and newspaper ads, YES!!
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Some good news for the NDP, as well as verification that the NDP is far more on top of economic issues than I had thought. Go to the BC NDP web site by typing "BC NDP" into a google search engine and you will find the latest stats Canada report, detailing how BC lost 36,000 jobs last february (that's last month) as the unemployment rate shot up in BC from 7.3 to 7.9%, WHILE REMAINING AT 7.4% IN THE REST OF CANADA.
Add that to the 22,600 fulltime good paying jobs the BC liars lost last year (Vancouver Sun, December 7, 2004) and the federal welfare basket case, eligible for equalization payments 4 years out of 4, and the BC liberal claim about having turned around the economy is revealed for the complete and utter BULLSH*T that it is...please try and place all these damning statistics in your community newspapers,in call in shows and at Canada.com...
The Vancouver Sun is now so desperately trying to prop up gordon backstabber, that they are resorting constantly to reporting mere bc liberal PREDICTIONS, as if they were fact, as if they had already happened... I can predict I will be dating Angelina Jolie next year, however, my prediction is sadly likely to be untrue...
Diogenes (not verified)
7 years ago
Am amazed at what I read here.
Some of the contributors are without question, good writers.
BUT, they couldn’t *think* their way out of a one door room!
NDP this, Liberals that!
Horse puckey!
Any one of you dunderheads that still believe it is about party politics really is not aware of what is happening.
http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/bilder05.h tml
http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/bilder04.html
CANADA:
* Lloyd Axworthy [Minister of Foreign Affairs]
* Conrad Black [Chairman, Hollinger Inc.,]
* Jean Chretien [Prime Minister of Canada]
* Frederik Eaton [Chairman, Eatons]
* Al Flood [Chairman, CIBC]
* Allan Gottlieb [former Amassador to U.S.]
* Anthony Griffin [Hon. Chairman, Guardian Group]
* Mike Harris [Premier of Ontario]
* Paul Martin [Finance Minister]
* Sylvia Ostry [Centre fot International Studies, Univ. of Toronto]
* Ted Rogers [President, Rogers Communications]
* Red Wison [Chairman, Bell Canada Enterprises]
And Bob Rae the Guy
http://www.google.ca/search?q=Canada+and+the+bilderberg+connectio n&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N
http://www.mngt.waikato.ac.nz/depts/sml/journal/indexv11/Clancy.htm
parties do not matter! So, choose an independent slate.
Diogenes (not verified)
7 years ago
Am amazed at what I read here.
Some of the contributors are without question, good writers.
BUT, they couldn’t *think* their way out of a one door room!
NDP this, Liberals that!
Horse puckey!
Any one of you dunderheads that still believe it is about party politics really is not aware of what is happening.
http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/bilder05.h tml
http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/bilder04.html
CANADA:
* Lloyd Axworthy [Minister of Foreign Affairs]
* Conrad Black [Chairman, Hollinger Inc.,]
* Jean Chretien [Prime Minister of Canada]
* Frederik Eaton [Chairman, Eatons]
* Al Flood [Chairman, CIBC]
* Allan Gottlieb [former Amassador to U.S.]
* Anthony Griffin [Hon. Chairman, Guardian Group]
* Mike Harris [Premier of Ontario]
* Paul Martin [Finance Minister]
* Sylvia Ostry [Centre fot International Studies, Univ. of Toronto]
* Ted Rogers [President, Rogers Communications]
* Red Wison [Chairman, Bell Canada Enterprises]
And Bob Rae the Guy
http://www.google.ca/search?q=Canada+and+the+bilderberg+connectio n&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N
http://www.mngt.waikato.ac.nz/depts/sml/journal/indexv11/Clancy.htm
parties do not matter! So, choose an independent slate.
Eddy Haskel (not verified)
7 years ago
So it is unanimous, we all hate Al Gordo and the other els. I imagine he's just another drunk who lies on the sofa all day and entertains his wife by bitching at the evening news before he passes out.
Fi (not verified)
7 years ago
Put his mugshot on every paper coffee cup in the city (subtle yet ubiquitous).
BCLiz (not verified)
7 years ago
BC Ferries run for the people - not the Unions - BCHydro run for the people - not the unions
BCRail run for the people - not the Unions
What a concept!!!
The REAL barking mad fox channel (not verified)
7 years ago
Yes, it is a concept BCLiz, but one that assumes the two are mutually exclusive. Try BC Ferries run for the people, who include the Unions - BCHydro run for the people who include the Unions - and BCRail run for the people who include the Unions. Stop depending on the Frazer Institute for your statistics and you will probably find that the presence of Unions mean improved service, whereas privatization correlates with a decline in the quality of services, employment and standards of living, and an increase in the cost of service.
Hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
As opposed to the the people the BC liars are running theze institutions for BC Liz -the Vancouver Board of Trade, the Fraser Institute, and Howe Street? Oh those damn unions, eh, Liz...everybody's stealing from you but the rich, right Liz? Hope you enjoy your new "peoples" tripled hydro bill, and ferry ticket, not to mention the 5000/year car insurance, once the BC Liars give away ICBC for loose change if BCers are stupid enough to reelect this pack of lying backstabbers who,ve turned BC into a federal welfare basket case...
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Good to see you posting again, eddie haskel! (the once and former "lewis swift")
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
poor hombre; still on about the equalization formula. perhaps one day you'll figure it out. take your time, as it will be at least eight more years before the socialist hordes are back in power anyway.
KF (not verified)
7 years ago
The NDP want to win, so they will avoid the mugshot. Everyone in BC knows all about Campbell in Maui and they decided a long time ago what they think about that. This election is about Gordon Campbell and what he has done to the people of this province - and that is much worse than his DUI. So the NDP should stick to the real issues and make Campbell answer for his extreme and reckless agenda. Glad to see that Carole James is demonstrating some common sense on this issue.
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
carole who?
BC Mary (not verified)
7 years ago
Run the mug-shot of Gordon Campbell as a drunken prisoner.
It was a different issue when the Conservative Party tried showing photos of Jean Chretien's physical handicap as an election gimmick. That was truly insensitive and hateful. Chretien had been afflicted with a facial paralysis, couldn't change that, and had learned to live with it. Imagine using Geoff Plant's physical handicap as an election gimmick. Unthinkable.
So why is the N.D.P. confusing the two issue? The Chretien photo is an entirely different thing from the official police photo of Gordon Campbell. One was created maliciously; the other was created by the Maui police for the public record.
Will the N.D.P. be too "nice" to remind people -- by using the police photo of Campbell -- of a guy in high office, who of his own free will got himself howling drunk, got behind the wheel of a car and drove at high speed on a busy highway until arrested. That's a very different story.
Campbell's dangerous little prank was entirely avoidable. This was no handicap inflicted by a cruel fate. No siree. It was through his own bad judgment, that Gordon Campbell got himself arrested, handcuffed, photographed, and thrown in jail. This was Gordo himself choosing to do the big, avoidable mistakes.
The premier of British Columbia was "not available" that night ... because why? Because he was lying drunk in a jail cell in Hawaii.
That police photo of Gordon Campbell is part of the official history of his 4 years in office. It is also a picture worth 10,000 words.
That police photo needs to be shown to the people of British Columbia while they're making up their minds how to vote on May 17.
Jay Currie (not verified)
7 years ago
Oh do use the picture. Plaster it on the billboards, feature it on every piece of NDP campaign bumpf, make it into a television commercial...Use it, use it, use it.
There is a faint hope the NDP may pull this election off. On the issues.
Use the picture and all bets are off. the election becomes a brawl.
Now, seriously, who do you think will win a brawl? Of course many of you thought that Cambodia johnny was going to beat Bush....
BC Mary (not verified)
7 years ago
Oh, right. Suppress the police photo. Forget that the premier was arrested. And this makes for a clean fight? Not.
When was the last time YOU waded into a fight wearing only a sweet smile?
dunngy (not verified)
7 years ago
convicted criminal, bold faced liar, enemy of democracy, mean spirited bully.think about it!
Mugshot on a billboard ... (not verified)
7 years ago
...with the caption "What condition was he in when he decided that BC's future looks rosy?"
lisa (not verified)
7 years ago
Or, '...four more years?'
Bailey (not verified)
7 years ago
Let's make it a caption contest! Your entry can be either a line underneath the photo or a cartoon thought balloon, your choice. Best entry gets used on a real billboard. We can all chip in for the billboard, they can't cost that much.
My entry:
"Anybody goin' my way? I need a ride."
caption contest (not verified)
7 years ago
Awright, which onea you swiped my car keys?
lisa (not verified)
7 years ago
'Don't let them impounded the province. Vote NDP'
'He may not know where he's leaving the province. But we do. Vote NDP'
'Someone else better take the wheel. Vote NDP
''Four more years and BC will need rehab.'
'Four more years and BC will have dried up too'
'Don't let yoruself be taken for another ride. Vote NDP'
'We have the ability to learn from our mistakes. Vote NDP'
'Make a wise choice this election.Vote NDP'
'Friends don't let their friends drink and drive.
Friends of British Columbia vote NDP'
'The consequences of this man's actions should not include you. Vote NDP'
Okay guys. Only half kidding.
lynn (not verified)
7 years ago
Portrait of a Loser... past, present and on May 17, 2005.
Anonymous
7 years ago
Impound not the typo
Hmm. Maybe it should read...
'Four more years and our forests will have dried up too.'
Wouldn't it be nice if none of this was necessary and we had a decent government?
Captain Caption (not verified)
7 years ago
"Budget surplush? *hic* Make those zeroes stand still for a sec'n'let me count, will ya?"
Joe (not verified)
7 years ago
I see you're ripping up the board with your wit again comma. Maybe Carole James should hire you and coyote as advisers. Go ahead and use the mugshot, if you want to give the liberals an excuse to focus on the past. They'll love it and eat you alive.
Valley Girl (not verified)
7 years ago
Cannibals too? I've heard it said that they eat their own young, but I never thought they really, like, EAT them.
caption (not verified)
7 years ago
"That's ok, at home they let me drive a whole province!"
Paul in east Van (not verified)
7 years ago
For all of the reasons stated above, I agree that it may not be in Carole James' best interest to use the mug shot. That said, I know that I personally will be reminding as many BCers as possible that this guy was hammered out of his face and was still allowed by his so-called friends to drive the winding highway home. If everyone opposed to the corporate takeover of BC wore a t-shirt with the Gordo mugshot prrominently displayed, I am quite sure that this would translate into fewer votes for the neoconservative Liberals. (I wonder what good ol' homophobic Mary Pollock thought of Gordo's behaviour?) Someone wondered why Gordo was smiling at the police photographer for his mugshot while he was in jail. I am going with the theory that he considered the photographer to be kind of cute, hoping that after he was released and after the hangover wore off he might be able to meet up for a little rendezvous somehere.
swoosh (not verified)
7 years ago
Lisa: absolutely freakin' billiant. "Someone else better take the wheel." The best line ever. Someone HAS to use that. But not the NDP.
BC Mary: you're absolutely right -- using the mug shot is in no way akin to that Chretien face attack ad. But it will backfire on the NDP just the same if they bring it up. What's needed is an NDP-sympathetic, non-union group with some deep pockets to splatter the mugshot on a couple of billboards and/or print ads (let's assume TV won't take it; however, creating the spot and having it refused creates some buzz too). You don't even need a massive buy: the media will pick it up and push it for all it's worth.
C'mon, who's got some money to burn for the cause?
Caption (not verified)
7 years ago
"At least I got a nice tan for my picture"
Bailey (not verified)
7 years ago
How about t-shirts>? Then you can use all the funniest captions. You don't have to choose. And once people realize that they're all different, they'll have to look carefully at every one they see.
Plus, if people collect convention tags and campaign buttons, these are bound to become collectors items.
"Honest Ossifer, I washn't driving...it was the NDP!"
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
swoosh et al; why don't you ask the gov't to sponsor your campaign? you expect them to do everything else for you.
Listen to them whinge! (not verified)
7 years ago
"Would you buy a used province from this man?"
Anonymous
7 years ago
Legalize Marijuanna? Don't be shilly!
Mugshout (not verified)
7 years ago
If you think it's too mean to run the pic on it's own, run them all. Everybody arrested gets a mugshot, quite a few people associated with these bozos have been arrested. How about a lineup? Campbell could go right between the Basi boys.
Mugshout (not verified)
7 years ago
Wasn't Doug Walls arrested at one point in his fraud investigation? Maybe a family portrait group?
lisa (not verified)
7 years ago
Oh, your ideas are great! So, funny. lol
Yes, what is happening with the Wall thing?
lynn (not verified)
7 years ago
lisa, I think I am going to put your very fine creation indeed, "Someone else better take the wheel" with mugshot, poster size on the back of my jeep. Just have to laminate it. As far as Mr. Walls goes, I think the government's firm position is and always has been: Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
AJ (not verified)
7 years ago
Picture of a total loser.
Do you think he would have hesitated to use a photo like this if roles were reversed? Remember the media whitewash him and his Canwest buddies used to lie his way through the last election , then sit back and screw the province over for his and business buddies benefit?
Captain Caption (not verified)
7 years ago
"BC: no trees, still lush!"
Anonymous
7 years ago
So, I was shupposed to shtay BETWEEN the lines?
Anonymous
7 years ago
Please don't call my wife, she thinks I'm in Kelowna!
Anonymous
7 years ago
Um, sir?...could we do that strip search thingie again?
Anonymous
7 years ago
"My right side photographs better, officer!"
Anonymous
7 years ago
Eddy Haskel (not verified)
7 years ago
Ok Bailey, I'll bite. My caption would read....
"DAMM..... Drunks Against Mad Mothers!"
Caption (not verified)
7 years ago
"Give me 90 days!"
"This administration has been scandal free for six days.... integrity starts with you!"
Captain Caption (not verified)
7 years ago
"BC Liberals: Farmed salmon, cooked goose."
lynn (not verified)
7 years ago
Poster boy for the golden decade.
Jimbo (not verified)
7 years ago
I don't know if someone else has pointed out the obvious or not (I can't see the latest contributions to the Comments section for some reason), but it's anything BUT irrelevant if someone who has stepped forward to represent us in some way as our Leader later on commits a crime / misdeameanor which put actual lives at risk. To have drunk that much and then driven that far shows not just lack of judgement, but also lack of ethical awareness. By doing this, Campbell showed himself to be unfit to be a Leader. I think if Carole James were to bring up the Maui events during the campaign, and frame them this way, they would not be seen as irrelevant or as a "personal" attack.
Michael Barkusky (not verified)
7 years ago
What's the fuss ? Drunk driving is OK if a road is deserted. The worst that can happen is that you kill wildlife. And who cares about wildlife ? The BC Liberals ? Even killing farm animals by the millions is fine if you can get adequate compensation from the Feds. The only thing that matters is getting taxes down and the GDP up. That way the landfills fill up that much faster but we can call it all "economic growth" and pretend we are achieving real prosperity. Everything else is for woolly-headed idealists.
dunngy (not verified)
7 years ago
busted and not to be trusted
hombre (not verified)
7 years ago
Great contest, great submissions. How many times were we shown the mounties raiding glen clark's house? Here's another: :"This man can't walk a straight line SOBER, either..."
Grapin', gropin' griper, grasp this: I have extended over three invitations to you to explain to us why receiving equalization payments 4 years out of 4 is not a complete and total indictment of the failure of BC LIar economic policies, responding merely by saying I don't know 3what I'm talking about does not constitute debate. Is that how you handle debate in your clasroom? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. The classic right tactic of ducking all debate, by refusing to participate in it just shows all too well the sort of human garbage that still support the premier. But then, what can we expect from a teacher who supports the BC Liars? I hope you get sued or criminally charged by one of your students. Hope you enjoy the two year wage freeze and the WITCH HUNT on your collegues if the BC backstabbers get reelected...hey maybe you could help organize trumped-up charges against your fellow teachers, just like in the McCarthy era in the states...such actions would seem perfectly aligned with your "character..."
This is my fourth challenge to you: explain why I am wrong about equalization payments, or just SHUT your stinking little quisling mouth...
Ed Mazur (not verified)
7 years ago
I can't believe that the opposition parties are afraid to use the mugshot of the Premier. Mr. Campbell's mugshot should be on every piece of election material for the next 60 days and he should expected to answer why Him and his ministers have failed to make the necessary legislative changes required to prevent the hundreds of deaths and serious injuries that occur every year because of gutless people like Gordon Campbell who do not take responsibility for the deadly action that he took in Maui three years ago. Gordon not only did not take responsiblity for drinking and driving but he tried to lie about the amount he drank that night. As we all have seen for the past four years nothing but Lies, More Lies and still more Lies. How can we trust this man to manage our province when he had been charged and convicted of a criminal offence and never tells the truth. My son was killed because of a drunk driver and Mr Campbell lied to me personally when he promised to improve our impaired driving laws. In fact Gordon Campbell and Rich Coleman had softened the laws. Premier Campbell to this day does not think he did anything seriously wrong on January 10th, 2002. NDP and Green candidates don't be such cowards and use the mugshot. Maybe at least the young people of this province will see how wrong it is to Drink and Drive.
Ed Mazur (not verified)
7 years ago
I can't believe that the opposition parties are afraid to use the mugshot of the Premier. Mr. Campbell's mugshot should be on every piece of election material for the next 60 days and he should expected to answer why Him and his ministers have failed to make the necessary legislative changes required to prevent the hundreds of deaths and serious injuries that occur every year because of gutless people like Gordon Campbell who do not take responsibility for the deadly action that he took in Maui three years ago. Gordon not only did not take responsiblity for drinking and driving but he tried to lie about the amount he drank that night. As we all have seen for the past four years nothing but Lies, More Lies and still more Lies. How can we trust this man to manage our province when he had been charged and convicted of a criminal offence and never tells the truth. My son was killed because of a drunk driver and Mr Campbell lied to me personally when he promised to improve our impaired driving laws. In fact Gordon Campbell and Rich Coleman had softened the laws. Premier Campbell to this day does not think he did anything seriously wrong on January 10th, 2002. NDP and Green candidates don't be such cowards and use the mugshot. Maybe at least the young people of this province will see how wrong it is to Drink and Drive.
Ed Mazur (not verified)
7 years ago
I can't believe that the opposition parties are afraid to use the mugshot of the Premier. Mr. Campbell's mugshot should be on every piece of election material for the next 60 days and he should expected to answer why Him and his ministers have failed to make the necessary legislative changes required to prevent the hundreds of deaths and serious injuries that occur every year because of gutless people like Gordon Campbell who do not take responsibility for the deadly action that he took in Maui three years ago. Gordon not only did not take responsiblity for drinking and driving but he tried to lie about the amount he drank that night. As we all have seen for the past four years nothing but Lies, More Lies and still more Lies. How can we trust this man to manage our province when he had been charged and convicted of a criminal offence and never tells the truth. My son was killed because of a drunk driver and Mr Campbell lied to me personally when he promised to improve our impaired driving laws. In fact Gordon Campbell and Rich Coleman had softened the laws. Premier Campbell to this day does not think he did anything seriously wrong on January 10th, 2002. NDP and Green candidates don't be such cowards and use the mugshot. Maybe at least the young people of this province will see how wrong it is to Drink and Drive.
Anonymous
7 years ago
Maiu-Busting disgusting Premiers since 2003!
Bustworthy, not trustworthy
Did j'ever go walking down a tropical highway at night?
You meet the nicest people in Maui!
The Campbells are coming, hurrah, hurrah!
Anonymous
7 years ago
Sorry I missed you in Maui!
A martini or two 'neath the romantic tropical moon
You know you don't get drunk if you eat the olive!
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....
Wherever you go, there you are!
Trust me! I know how to stimulate an economy!
Would you put your children's future in this man's hands?
The judgement of history
Gimme a break, You know what a cab costs in American bucks???
Anonymous
7 years ago
Truth is different from spin
Sheila (not verified)
7 years ago
I don't think the mug shot necessarily needs to be used in negative ads. However, I do find it odd that no one is even talking about the issue of Campbell's conviction. I have a feeling it will be a factor for a lot of people in voting for the Liberals in general and Campbell in particular. And I do think it is a relevant election issue. I think it will be a particular issue for a lot of young people, who were raised having "don't drive drunk" drilled into their brains. Most politicians would have recognized that such a significant personal failing would hamper their ability to lead effectively and they would resign. That Campbell did not says a lot about him. I do think it would be perfectly fair for the NDP and the Greens to raise the issue -- it is an election issue -- and they don't have to do it in a negative, American-style way. I think it's really strange the media has been so silent on this issue. Bottom line: I don't want someone convicted of drunk driving to be premier. That doesn't make me proud.
griper (not verified)
7 years ago
poor hombre. so angry, yet so hopeless. maybe you should go back to school.
Anonymous
7 years ago
If it talks like a duck and drives like a duck
Take me to your Leader!
My Gordy Lies Over the Oceannnn---My Gordy Lies over the Seaaaa---My Gordy lies Over the Oceannn--But Gordy lies mostly to Meeeeeeeee!
Anonymous
7 years ago
Hi there! I'm oh three oh two six five nine. Come here often?
Anonymous
7 years ago
Is it just me, or is it getting hot in here?
Anonymous
7 years ago
If friends don't let friends drive drunk, does that mean I don't have any friends?
Frank (not verified)
7 years ago
Jay Currie refers to John Kerry as Cambodia johnny and says he didn't have a chance against Bush.
This is why the NDP shouldn't put their name to an attack ad campaign. The media down there attacked the guy who went to vietnam, not the guy who stayed home but figured everyone else should go. When a story appeared on Bush's dodging, it was the messenger, not the dodger that was attacked. Dan Rather resigned, Bush is president.
Does anyone in this province actually believe the Asper press is not going to defend Campbell by attacking the NDP over the ad? By the time election day comes Gordon Campbell will look like a kid that needs a hug and the NDP, and their negative ad, will be the story.
Bailey (not verified)
7 years ago
We're talking t-shirts here. Who are the bozos going to yell at?
Besides, once people are laughing, what overblown, authoritarian nitwit would dare calling attention to them by complaining? Laughter is the enemy of overblown authoritarianism. Make them funny enough and he'll lose his own riding. Prime idiot or not.
Anonymous
7 years ago
How much Gin can a Gin Hound slug till a Gin Hound has to drive home?
Bilbo the Concatenated Hobbig (not verified)
7 years ago
Kennedy Stewart? I'm supposed to read this as unbiased when Kennedy Stewart is quoted as a source?
Is he the only Political Science professor in town these days? Some kind of shortage caused by spring break?
The man is clearly and blatantly biased, and your unwillingness to seek out a less biased source taints the entire article. The fact that you declared the bias is simply an indication that the Tyee respects the most basic of journalistic standards.
I'm really shocked. Liked the paper, but as we go into election period the bias is becoming overwhelming.
Dear Bilbo (not verified)
7 years ago
Get a grip! Do you think you might be taking yourself just a little too SERIOUS? This is a piece about whether a Party should or shouldn't stoop to the level of another Party. Why on Earth would you think it should be unbiased. There's a point when it's just the topic, not some ethical conundrum. I'm rilly shocked that you're rilly shocked. It's just so shocking!
You have a bias of your own, you know. It's sticking out all over your shock.
Anonymous
7 years ago
So, ossifer, do Maui police belong to a...union?